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    1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe
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    Much to the dismay of the Vatican, an approx. 1500-2000 year old bible was found in Turkey, in the Ethnography Museum of Ankara. Discovered and kept secret in the year 2000, the book contains the Gospel of Barnabas – a disciple of Christ – which shows that Jesus was not crucified, nor was he the son of God, but a Prophet.

    The book also calls Apostle Paul “The Impostor”.

    The book also claims that Jesus ascended to heaven alive, and that Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place.

    A report by The National Turk says that the Bible was seized from a gang of smugglers in a Mediterranean-area operation. The report states the gang was charged with smuggling antiquities, illegal excavations, and the possession of explosives.

    The books itself is valued as high as 40 Million Turkish Liras (approx. 28 mil. Dollars). Man, where is the Thieves Guild, when you need them?

    Authenticity

    According to reports, experts and religious authorities in Tehram insist that the book is original. The book itself is written with gold lettering, onto loosely-tied leather in Aramaic, the language of Jesus Christ.

    The text maintains a vision similar to Islam, contradicting the New Testament's teachings of Christianity.

    Jesus also foresees the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, who would found Islam 700 years later.

    It is believed that, during the Council of Nicea, the Catholic Church hand-picked the gospels that form the Bible as we know it today; omitting the Gospel of Barnabas (among many others) in favor of the four canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Many biblical texts have begun to surface over time, including those of the Dead Sea and Gnostic Gospels; but this book especially, seems to worry the Vatican.

    The Catholic Church wants in
    What does this mean to Christian-derived religions and their followers? Quite a tight spot. The Vatican has asked Turkish authorities to let them examine the contents of the book within the Church. Now that the book has been found, will they come to accept the it and its evidence? Will they deny it altogether? Call it a “Muslim lie”, as did the “Truth” Magazine, in 2000? To many, this book is a beacon of hope, that believers soon realize that the object of their adoration is arbitrary; and that all text, especially religious text, is subject to interpretation. What does this mean to atheists/agnostics/secular thinkers? Is the text real? Fake? Does it matter?


    Hopefully, this news inspires the religious to ask questions, instead of pointing fingers or believing anything blindly.

    Please, don't go poking fun or tossing around the “I told you so!”s. The biggest danger of faith is when people believe what they want to believe, defending against any and all evidence; especially when that evidence revolutionizes their foundation from the ground up. And the biggest culprit to that danger is the ego trap: rejecting/criticizing others, for being unlike you. For centuries, the “defense” of blind faith has driven nations to war, violence, discrimination, slavery and to become the society of automatons that we are today; and for just as long, it has been justified with lies. If you know better, act like it. Read

    Sources: Sons On The Pyre, National Turk http://sonsonthepyre.com/1500-year-o...atican-in-awe/
    http://www.nationalturk.com/en/1500-...a-turkey-16624

    More: http://www.knowledgeoftoday.org/2014...an-in-awe.html



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    than mix it with 3 christ story~

    http://www.legionnaires.awaken.nl.eu...icleis3christs + than read the Real Christmas Story : https://www.scribd.com/doc/222546454...hristmas-Story (ill add link to transcript may 2012 also, as it ads more details to Xmass story... that werent known when it was released originally...

    update for ^^
    May 28 2012 #WS Final Session - transcript by #EG https://www.facebook.com/notes/emera...20371531389314
    if not on FB than download as pdf
    Download as Doc or pdf here
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    .doc: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1h...ew?usp=sharing
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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe



    "Whatever you thought you knew about Jesus, think again.

    Get ready for the most positive, uplifting, and dramatic re-interpretation of Christian thought in over 2,000 years, one based not on blind faith, but on new data, new research into the science of consciousness, and an understanding of quantum physics.

    New and scientifically-based replicable experimental data offer a revolutionary perspective into the facts of the crucifixion story. According to these new data, someone else was crucified instead of Jesus. Moreover, Jesus willingly participated in the plan to dupe the authorities. This new revelation does not diminish Jesus or his message. Rather, it enhances and amplifies what we know of him.

    This is the full documentary. It is also available as a DVD on Amazon.com for those who prefer that format.

    Chief Investigator for the project: Courtney Brown, Ph.D.

    Using remote-viewing methodologies derived from those developed by the United States military and used for espionage purposes, we now have a more complete picture of what apparently actually happened 2,000 years ago.

    Courtney Brown, Ph.D., the leading scholar in the field of remote viewing involving such procedures, explains how these new data, collected under controlled experimental conditions, reveal a much more complicated crucifixion drama than is described in the Bible. If Jesus was not crucified, who was? Did Judas act to betray or to save the life and legacy of his mentor? Why would Jesus participate in such a ruse, a dangerous plan to trick the authorities, causing them to crucify someone else? Who was in on this conspiracy?

    Importantly, while these new data revise what traditional Christendom considers the "facts" of the crucifixion, this new evidence does not attack Jesus or his legacy. Courtney Brown explains why Jesus had no choice but to allow the crucifixion event to occur as it did. Now, the new evidence allows us finally to understand Jesus's teachings more fully, something that was not possible in Jesus's day.

    It seems likely that Jesus knew that the truth would one day come out, once we matured as a civilization. That day is today. Look at the data yourself, learn about the methodologies used to collect them, and then decide for yourself.

    The website for the project is
    http://www.crucifixionruse.com/
    where full documentation can be found."
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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

    Hello Siblings,

    This evidence might be taken as supporting the 'Caesar's Messiah' theory of Jesus Christ.

    The story goes like this: The Roman were repeatedly having problems with the rebellious
    jewish tribes. Slaughtering them didn't seem to stem the rebellions. The Romans learned
    from Josephus that the core of the Jewish beliefs were holy scriptures. The Romans set about
    updating these texts with new scriptures that would be pro-Roman, and provide rules of personal
    conduct that would be more conducive to Roman rule: turn the other cheek, love thy neighbour,
    forgiveness, walk the extra mile etc. In other words, don't spend your time rebelling.

    The new testament _does_ contain the line, from the mouth of Jesus,
    "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". In other words, pay your taxes.
    That's a very bizarre thing for the saviour of mankind to be saying

    It all adds up to:
    (1) don't fight back
    (2) pay your taxes

    Why is the catholic church head quartered in Rome ?
    Why were the first bishops and saints related to Caesar ?

    A very interesting theory... in my humble opinion... very plausible.
    For those of you interested in this theory see here:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/caesarsmessiah

    Of-course, none of this is suggesting there isn't a god, it's just
    suggesting that an account of Jesus's life was fabricated in order
    to create a religion ... for the purposes of social control.... originally
    of the Jewish people... and later the Roman people.. and later European
    people and later ... much of the rest of the world.

    be happy :-)

    lucidity
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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

    Looks like the Church missed one... that became public knowledge, before They could hide it. chuckle chuckle.
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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

    all four gospel accounts came from one, they tell an incomplete story, until one learns to read between the lines. I wish Christians would pay attention to their own book. Matthew 13:34 says Jesus NEVER spoke without a parable. At 2 Corinthians 3:6, Paul says the dead letter kills, but the spirit of the letter gives life. The allegory of the Christ is the secret teaching, and of course the Church had to cover it up. They celebrate the birth of their God on the winter solstice... that's why George worships the sun, and prays to Joe Pesci

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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

    There was a prophecy about a finding that will lead to the union of all religions in one. COuld this be??? If so, we allready know who´s behind.
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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

    Quote Posted by lucidity (here)
    Hello Siblings,

    This evidence might be taken as supporting the 'Caesar's Messiah' theory of Jesus Christ.

    The story goes like this: The Roman wereattitudedly having problems with the rebellious
    jewish tribes. Slaughtering them didn't seem to stem the rebellions. The Romans learned
    from Josephus that the core of the Jewish beliefs were holy scriptures. The Romans set about
    updating these texts with new scriptures that would be pro-Roman, and provide rules of personal
    conduct that would be more conducive to Roman rule: turn the other cheek, love thy neighbour,
    forgiveness, walk the extra mile etc. In other words, don't spend your time rebelling.

    The new testament _does_ contain the line, from the mouth of Jesus,
    "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". In other words, pay your taxes.
    That's a very bizarre thing for the saviour of mankind to be saying

    It all adds up to:
    (1) don't fight back
    (2) pay your taxes

    Why is the catholic church head quartered in Rome ?
    Why were the first bishops and saints related to Caesar ?

    A very interesting theory... in my humble opinion... very plausible.
    For those of you interested in this theory see here:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/caesarsmessiah

    Of-course, none of this is suggesting there isn't a god, it's just
    suggesting that an account of Jesus's life was fabricated in order
    to create a religion ... for the purposes of social control.... originally
    of the Jewish people... and later the Roman people.. and later European
    people and later ... much of the rest of the world.

    be happy :-)

    lucidity
    Hello Sibling ....great thread! Very interesting post as I can clearly see this 'ideology" working in the populace of Today! The sit back and do nothing...wait for Jesus attitude. This seems closer to the truth for me out of Many things ive heard/read...i feel theres much more to the story
    We X Billions want to change the world and it appears we are......
    PARADISE IS POSSIBLE EVERYWHERE 4 EVERYONE

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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

    Something here doesn't feel right. Why would an archivist put a paperclip on a multi-million dollar 1500-2000 year old Bible?

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    Quote Posted by Heartsong (here)
    Something here doesn't feel right. Why would an archivist put a paperclip on a multi-million dollar 1500-2000 year old Bible?
    Exactly what I thought upon opening the thread!

    What kind of a knuckle head would put paper clips on an ancient document?!?

    I've seen paper clips damage brand new paper, let alone paper which has existed for thousands of years!

    While I do not believe nor disbelieve the claims about Jesus being or not being crucified, the paper clips give this bible away. It's got to be bogus!

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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

    Another modern fake, I’m afraid... hence the gold ink, and the uncured skins. To the best of our knowledge Barnabas never wrote a gospel. Another thing to consider is that about the time when this was written, the heresy of Arianism was spreading like a plague.

    Fyi: In February 2012, it was confirmed by the Turkish Ministry of Culture and Tourism that a 52-page biblical manuscript in Syriac had been deposited in the Ethnography Museum of Ankara. However, it has since been demonstrated that this manuscript actually contains the canonical Bible.

    More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas
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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

    Quote Posted by lucidity (here)
    Hello Siblings,

    This evidence might be taken as supporting the 'Caesar's Messiah' theory of Jesus Christ.

    The story goes like this: The Roman were repeatedly having problems with the rebellious
    jewish tribes. Slaughtering them didn't seem to stem the rebellions. The Romans learned
    from Josephus that the core of the Jewish beliefs were holy scriptures. The Romans set about
    updating these texts with new scriptures that would be pro-Roman, and provide rules of personal
    conduct that would be more conducive to Roman rule: turn the other cheek, love thy neighbour,
    forgiveness, walk the extra mile etc. In other words, don't spend your time rebelling.

    The new testament _does_ contain the line, from the mouth of Jesus,
    "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". In other words, pay your taxes.
    That's a very bizarre thing for the saviour of mankind to be saying

    It all adds up to:
    (1) don't fight back
    (2) pay your taxes

    Why is the catholic church head quartered in Rome ?
    Why were the first bishops and saints related to Caesar ?

    A very interesting theory... in my humble opinion... very plausible.
    For those of you interested in this theory see here:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/caesarsmessiah

    Of-course, none of this is suggesting there isn't a god, it's just
    suggesting that an account of Jesus's life was fabricated in order
    to create a religion ... for the purposes of social control.... originally
    of the Jewish people... and later the Roman people.. and later European
    people and later ... much of the rest of the world.

    be happy :-)

    lucidity
    You've pulled all that almost as far out of context as the religion itself does with texts!

    "Love thy neighbor ..." even when pulled fully out of context as you did, does not mean "be complacent in the face of oppression" - do you really believe that it does? The actual statement, in full context, is "love thy neighbor as thyself" .. and has nothing to do with not rebelling against oppression.

    You next quote "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's ... " is also a snippet pulled completely out of context. The actual quote is "Give to God what is God's and to Caesar what is Caesar's" -- this statement is an intelligently crafted tool that forces a contemplation of a distinction, in the arena of "ownership". Is what is "Caesar's" really Caesar's if "God" is the Creator of all? That is the question that this statement begs. It forces this contradiction apart in peoples minds, and forces them to see the foolishness of material ownership, in the larger picture.

    BTW I am not religious at all but am a staunch defender of accuracy ...

    Anyway, back to topic ...
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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

    Not surprising much. There have been other gospels by other apostles that have been uncovered in recent decades as mentioned above. Most refute the official gospel of the big four. Interesting opinion of Paul, whom we know there might have been more than one.

    I am glad I slayed my god long ago. But I have been left in a very uncomfortable position since - with no personal god I can bow to any more. The gods of men are too small for me. I see right through them - they are no match for my discernment. They have no effective power.

    There is a power that I sense but its source is tenuous and seemingly arbitrary. I cannot tap in. I cannot face it. I am not worthy, I guess. That makes me sad. Sad I can live with - excluded from the godhead I cannot.

    At least all my childhood inaccuracies and adulthood fantasies have been disabused of their hold on me and my mind - there is no god in terms of man's anthropological descriptions. There is no god to side with - a being inside this or any universe, plotting and scheming and cheering and steering his advocates onward. There is only a power, a force, a field, remorselessly driving and informing the design from within and from without but never here or now in any one space or time. A homogenous soup of intelligence without form, an archetype of archetypes fulfilling function - the will of the creator impulse.

    But how do you love that, how do you give yourself to that? How do you bow down before an amorphous blob? And how can that hold me in its arms and give me comfort and solace? I am truly at a loss these past many months...

    I can feel the Love. I know it can be directed. I know it can work what we in this modern world call miracles (which are actually the norm if all were equal). But I cannot pinpoint the source or turn it to my needs. And I watch me slide into oblivion, my small piece of the world crumbling, my bit of reality turning black. But the worst is watching my friends and family slide along with me, for if I don`t protect them and hold their true worth out to them - there is no other for them. And I cannot hold on without my god.

    Please, if there is a god, let that being show me the way, that I might once again take heart and uphold the truth other men cannot see. Without my god I have no strength, and no hope.

    I have been crucified by my own hand for having accepted the truth of lesser men. It took me fifty years to disabuse myself of that insult. But the result is almost worse. I want my god and I want to erase the smallness in me that resists the truth and deafens my ears. I feel the life force as it batters against my fortifications of naiveté and ignorance.

    I want those walls torn down! What will it take.

    Sorry, the op triggered me. Too many lies has lead to my present state.

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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

    for what it's worth , the Plejaren gave information about this subject ... Jesus was never called by that name , his name was Immanuel , the 5th prophet of the 7 prophets , all the same spirit form originally called Henoch as he re-incarnated three times with that same name , before that if was Nokodemjon ... we know him as Enoch-Isaiah-Elijah-Jeremiah-Immanuel-Muhammad-and Beam ... He was crucified on a Y shaped cross and survived the crucifixion going into a coma , placed in a tomb with a secret back entrance three indian shaman came and healed him , he left with them and travelled to India , lived to be 132 years old had a wife and children ... he died in India and was known as the travelling Hebrew ... the Plejaren follow that spirit form where ever it incarnates as it connected to them by a paternal line ( always the same players ) they say Gabriel was a plejaren man who was mated with Mary and that is where Immanuel came from , the light seen by many was a plejaren beamship , not a star or an angel ...all though the plejaren are said to have a glow about them ...Quetzal one of Edward Meier's contacts is said to be Gabriel reincarnated ...
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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

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    You've pulled all that almost as far out of context as the religion itself does with texts!

    "Love thy neighbor ..." even when pulled fully out of context as you did, does not mean "be complacent in the face of oppression" - do you really believe that it does? The actual statement, in full context, is "love thy neighbor as thyself" .. and has nothing to do with not rebelling against oppression.

    You next quote "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's ... " is also a snippet pulled completely out of context. The actual quote is "Give to God what is God's and to Caesar what is Caesar's" -- this statement is an intelligently crafted tool that forces a contemplation of a distinction, in the arena of "ownership". Is what is "Caesar's" really Caesar's if "God" is the Creator of all? That is the question that this statement begs. It forces this contradiction apart in peoples minds, and forces them to see the foolishness of material ownership, in the larger picture.

    BTW I am not religious at all but am a staunch defender of accuracy ...
    Hi Staunch Defender of Accuracy,

    You're guilty of some... err... errors ;-)

    (A) What's this random charge of pulling things "out of context".
    That's an absurd comment.
    Do you understand what "out of context" means ?
    Are you confusing this phrase with the idea of 'misquoting' ?

    (B) Do you think that principles such as:
    (1) love thy neighbour...
    (2) turn the other cheek...
    (3) forgiveness
    encourage or discourage violent acts (eg of rebellion) ?
    Would a people that believed in these principles be easier to govern ?

    (C) The phrase actually is:
    "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar

    But .. this is splitting hairs... unproductively.

    be happy :-)

    lucidity
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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

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    for what it's worth , the Plejaren gave information about this subject ... Jesus was never called by that name , his name was Immanuel , the 5th prophet of the 7 prophets , all the same spirit form originally called Henoch as he re-incarnated three times with that same name , before that if was Nokodemjon ... we know him as Enoch-Isaiah-Elijah-Jeremiah-Immanuel-Muhammad-and Beam ... He was crucified on a Y shaped cross and survived the crucifixion going into a coma , placed in a tomb with a secret back entrance three indian shaman came and healed him , he left with them and travelled to India , lived to be 132 years old had a wife and children ... he died in India and was known as the travelling Hebrew ... the Plejaren follow that spirit form where ever it incarnates as it connected to them by a paternal line ( always the same players ) they say Gabriel was a plejaren man who was mated with Mary and that is where Immanuel came from , the light seen by many was a plejaren beamship , not a star or an angel ...all though the plejaren are said to have a glow about them ...Quetzal one of Edward Meier's contacts is said to be Gabriel reincarnated ...
    hi Ghostrider,

    So if Jesus/Immanuel is the 5th of 7 prophets,
    then presumably Muhammad is the 6th .....
    and Billy Meier is the 7th.

    One problem... is the existence of inaccuracies
    in the writings of Billy's contact reports... the most recent
    one is the assertion that Adolph Hitler died in Berlin in 1945.
    But we now know ... (or think we know) ... that Hitler survived
    Berlin and WWII and lived out the rest of his days in South America.

    Be happy :-)

    lucidity

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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

    This is what is written in the Quran, that Jesus was not crucified, I always thought that meant that he survived it, but the english translation is "so it was made to appear to them", in the sayings of the prophet Muhammad, it says another was put in his place.. (they take it to mean Judas, that God made Judas look like Jesus and they crucified him), another thing though in mainstream Islamic teaching is that Jesus was taken up bodily into heaven, and will return in the 2nd coming.. That part doesnt make sense.. I am of the opinion that he lived to a ripe old age, had children and is buried in Kashmir www.tombofjesus.com

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    Great post Ernie Nemeth! You captured a lot of my own feelings about the lack of a personal God....and the sadness that realization brings...

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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

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    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

    You've pulled all that almost as far out of context as the religion itself does with texts!

    "Love thy neighbor ..." even when pulled fully out of context as you did, does not mean "be complacent in the face of oppression" - do you really believe that it does? The actual statement, in full context, is "love thy neighbor as thyself" .. and has nothing to do with not rebelling against oppression.

    You next quote "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's ... " is also a snippet pulled completely out of context. The actual quote is "Give to God what is God's and to Caesar what is Caesar's" -- this statement is an intelligently crafted tool that forces a contemplation of a distinction, in the arena of "ownership". Is what is "Caesar's" really Caesar's if "God" is the Creator of all? That is the question that this statement begs. It forces this contradiction apart in peoples minds, and forces them to see the foolishness of material ownership, in the larger picture.

    BTW I am not religious at all but am a staunch defender of accuracy ...
    Hi Staunch Defender of Accuracy,

    You're guilty of some... err... errors ;-)

    (A) What's this random charge of pulling things "out of context".
    That's an absurd comment.
    Do you understand what "out of context" means ?
    Are you confusing this phrase with the idea of 'misquoting' ?
    Hello "sibling".

    Sorry, but the "misquote" charge doesn't count because it depends on the translation or "biblical edition" and I haven't changed any of the meaning to fit my agenda as taking things out of context absolutely is used for.

    The absurdity is that you are trying to make that a defense for taking things out of context; the two are not related - there's a word for that tactic, it's called "distraction". Nice try to defend yourself though, but I'm afraid what has been seen cannot be "unseen"

    And for your future reference here is what "out of context" definition is, and it is exactly what you did ...

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    Out of Context:

    The practice of quoting out of context (sometimes referred to as "contextomy" and quote mining), is an informal fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning
    PS I also find it absurd that you think that not complying with apparent oppression has to mean "violence" -- it is this mindset that has kept us a warring species for thousands of years ... how's it been working? I guess we need more violence to win? Nonsense. (Addition) That is the exactly what will get us our all our liberties taken away, as violence specifically justifies more laws, more jails, more security, more surveillance, NWO, etc. The USA is just waiting for mass violence to erupt while they enact new legislation to "control and capture" the masses ... just waiting for that justification. Why do you think more and more power, military gear and equipment is always being transferred to the police authorities? They are getting poised and ready to "fix the problem" when the violence erupts.

    Don't let trying to prove an "atheists" agenda (my apologies to my atheist friends) to cloud your lucidity.

    Atheists and heavily religious folk have the exact same mindset, from my point of view. If one wants to be "neutral" or the "control" then one must not have a formed belief on the topic -- it is not about believing in or believing not. Both of those are unprovable beliefs. Same.

    BTW Jesus didn't start a religion. Yes there is much false info about him and 99% of that was created by the Roman government. The roman government looked upon a new way of thinking, a new way of seeing things in the people, that was being intelligently promoted by a man, (I doubt his name was "Jesus" in the first place). The roman government saw this change in the people and their beliefs as a huge threat to their current control structures. Their solution was to adapt a form of "Christianity" and mandate it as the official religion of the entire Roman empire.

    This way they could control the entire movement, and inject as much disinfo as is needed to prevent the people from realizing the power they each have themselves, which was the teachings of this "Jesus' character. The fact that the Roman government created the Roman Catholic Church as a power control tool should tell you something. The fact that there is more disinfo in that religion about "Jesus" than anything else tells you that they feared what he stood for.

    For example, Jesus claimed to be only the son of Man - the religion forces the view of the "Son of God" on us. The fact that "Jesus" said we all could move mountains with enough faith, the religion tells us we are all useless PsOS that can't do anything on our own without "Jesus'" help, says something again ... The religion contradicts even the cherry picked texts of what "Jesus" said, almost at every turn ... put the pieces together.

    Again, I am not religious, religious people hate my views as much as anyone But I learned a lot about my family "religion" and thus I was able to make informed decision regarding it, and what I freely choose, or choose not to consider. I try not to have any beliefs -- believe nothing, yet consider everything.
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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    for what it's worth , the Plejaren gave information about this subject ... Jesus was never called by that name , his name was Immanuel , the 5th prophet of the 7 prophets , all the same spirit form originally called Henoch as he re-incarnated three times with that same name , before that if was Nokodemjon ... we know him as Enoch-Isaiah-Elijah-Jeremiah-Immanuel-Muhammad-and Beam ... He was crucified on a Y shaped cross and survived the crucifixion going into a coma , placed in a tomb with a secret back entrance three indian shaman came and healed him , he left with them and travelled to India , lived to be 132 years old had a wife and children ... he died in India and was known as the travelling Hebrew ... the Plejaren follow that spirit form where ever it incarnates as it connected to them by a paternal line ( always the same players ) they say Gabriel was a plejaren man who was mated with Mary and that is where Immanuel came from , the light seen by many was a plejaren beamship , not a star or an angel ...all though the plejaren are said to have a glow about them ...Quetzal one of Edward Meier's contacts is said to be Gabriel reincarnated ...
    hi Ghostrider,

    So if Jesus/Immanuel is the 5th of 7 prophets,
    then presumably Muhammad is the 6th .....
    and Billy Meier is the 7th.

    One problem... is the existence of inaccuracies
    in the writings of Billy's contact reports... the most recent
    one is the assertion that Adolph Hitler died in Berlin in 1945.
    But we now know ... (or think we know) ... that Hitler survived
    Berlin and WWII and lived out the rest of his days in South America.

    Be happy :-)

    lucidity

    Samuel was J12(Jesheua-12) younger brother. so 2 diffrent persons(Immanuel and J12 (vs other J9..Jeshewua-9 . (its in the real xmass story) do read i would advice. for better context
    Immanuel died at 12 unable to complete mission, came/re-incarnated back as Jeremiah-Immanuel,

    billy (plejaren (samjaze.. ) (Pleiadian-Samjase-Luciferian-Anunnaki)
    Enoch , is the oversoul level of thoth that came(incarnated) to clean up thoths mess..)
    Quetzal sounds like Quetzalcoatl aka Thoth.

    addon. with clue from the mini text of the main article. makes Arihabi -> Judas Iscariot ( and also why he was turned into the one that back-stabbed jesus.. (general story) / actually he was the scapegoat so J9 +lineage could go.. (The sacrifice of Arihabi was orchestrated to divert attention away from Jeshewua-9, his family and his lineage. ) 3christs excerpt,.

    as for billy's contact. well if via Corey -> NAZI space program, Dark Fleet, can be assured it worked with the luciferian groups continues. likewise black-sun. (see my post "Status update Aurora earth" for some a them groups and changes there have been. and that's big vs status say 2010 or 2012 even )
    gabriel;s name been misused even since he joined Emerald Covernant. and hasn't left/broken since.. so all contact since(long ago) are other groups imposing as... is my take on it.
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    Default Re: 1500 Year Old Bible Claims Jesus Christ Was Not Crucified – Vatican In Awe

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    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    for what it's worth , the Plejaren gave information about this subject ... Jesus was never called by that name , his name was Immanuel , the 5th prophet of the 7 prophets , all the same spirit form originally called Henoch as he re-incarnated three times with that same name , before that if was Nokodemjon ... we know him as Enoch-Isaiah-Elijah-Jeremiah-Immanuel-Muhammad-and Beam ... He was crucified on a Y shaped cross and survived the crucifixion going into a coma , placed in a tomb with a secret back entrance three indian shaman came and healed him , he left with them and travelled to India , lived to be 132 years old had a wife and children ... he died in India and was known as the travelling Hebrew ... the Plejaren follow that spirit form where ever it incarnates as it connected to them by a paternal line ( always the same players ) they say Gabriel was a plejaren man who was mated with Mary and that is where Immanuel came from , the light seen by many was a plejaren beamship , not a star or an angel ...all though the plejaren are said to have a glow about them ...Quetzal one of Edward Meier's contacts is said to be Gabriel reincarnated ...
    hi Ghostrider,

    So if Jesus/Immanuel is the 5th of 7 prophets,
    then presumably Muhammad is the 6th .....
    and Billy Meier is the 7th.

    One problem... is the existence of inaccuracies
    in the writings of Billy's contact reports... the most recent
    one is the assertion that Adolph Hitler died in Berlin in 1945.
    But we now know ... (or think we know) ... that Hitler survived
    Berlin and WWII and lived out the rest of his days in South America.

    Be happy :-)

    lucidity
    Ptaah says Hitler died ( not in South America ) and Hitler was Austrian , not a German ... and yes Billy is the 7th and final prophet , mentored by the ET's from the Seven Sisters ... as all the prophets were and will be , the same spirit form is always tied to the same mission , with the same teachers ... the ET's say he ( his spirit form ) will leave Earth for good in the year 3,999 ... on to other worlds to begin the process of teaching humans on every world in every galaxy the message of Creation ... I'm digging for the exact contact report , it gives the date , time and place where Hitler died , I believe it was in Germany ... Hitler was under the influence of the negative ET's who use religion to enslave men , they were based under the great pyramid of Egypt ... Now they are in prison on a primitive planet with no technology and around the planet it is hermetically sealed and guarded by the Plejaren federation ...
    Raiding the Matrix One Mind at a Time ...

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