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    Default From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    This seems to be a helpful information for everyone who's been personally touched by this subject, or for those who are willing to learn more.. In a strange way, being milabs, or not, we are all in this (world) together, sharing the same goals, aims and desires. An expended point of view by a very knowledgable researcher

    From Eve Lorgen's website

    http://evelorgen.com/wp/news/the-mil...r-true-memory/

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    The Milab Experience —What is it, how and why does it happen, and why ones healing, integration and recovery is important for clarity, freedom and inner peace.

    In the past 20 years many MK ultra survivors, whistleblowers, alien abductees, “contactees” and milab “Re-Ab” abductees have come forward to share their anomalous experiences.(See Milabs—A Pandora’s Box http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/mil...-pandoras-box/)

    As discussed in the Milabs-A Pandora’s Box article link, it was Helmet Lammers book “Milabs: Military Mind Control and Alien Abduction, (Illuminet Press, 1999)” which really got the term “milabs” its first public definition popularized, with cases of alien abductees, mostly women, who also experienced a definite military component to their abduction experiences.

    During the mid 1990’s the late Dr. Karla Turner brought the milab component to light within the alien abduction experience, offering more to the subject matter demonstrating that this is not a black and white phenomena and includes elements of extraterrestrial involvement, high strangeness and reptilian connections. Karla Turner emphasized the “virtual reality” aspect of the milab experience, and the controlling and manipulating agendas of these beings—whether alien or military—a certainty that some form of mind control and extraordinary manipulation occurs. This included the medical, emotional and sexual lives of its “chosen ones”, including “alien or military implants” being used to track and interact with their unique biochemistries and energy fields.

    And of course it would be incomplete if something wasn’t mentioned about the “relationship manipulation” of milabs, since this is such a paramount aspect of their lives. The orchestration of love relationships as well as other important interpersonal connections is sure to happen because control is such a vital factor to the groups conducting these human mind control projects to maintain the functionality, security and secrecy of assets. It IS about mind control, but mostly it’s about resources of life force energy, reality creation and extension of life resources for certain predator-parasite beings, whether human, alien or a combination of these. This “transdimensional” aspect of the abduction or stand alone mk ultra experience (without any aliens/ETs etc) is a complicated and uncomfortable subject to discuss let alone understand. For most people it’s “unknown”, crazy, subjective and unscientific. (And I can assure you there are many who consider milabs, abductions and even MK ultra a work of fantasy.) But the predator-parasite, transdimensional aspect is profoundly of importance in many of the experimental medical, scientific, military and occult aspects to the agendas being played out within the “milab experience”. (As well as alien abductions) In fact, the scientific, nano technology, artificial intelligence and new Morgellons research is now suggested to be tied in with the transdimensional parasite predator agenda. See Harold Kautz-Vella interview with Miles Johnston Parts 1,2,& 3:

    Part One: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtAQdxowpYA

    Part Two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKctLpxGbsE

    Part Three: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7VpXCoBpTs

    Only in the past 10 years or so has the term “supersoldiers” been popularly used, while originally some survivors of these nefarious MK Ultra military programs simply called themselves “Montauk Boys”. (ie., Duncan Cameron, Andy Pero) Some preferred to call themselves “Ultimate Warriors” or some other notation sans the “milab or abductee” identifier, as if this brought shame and powerlessness of victimology to their identity. It is also noted that the male “milabs” tend to focus on their combat, military, intelligence and technological aspects of experience, while the female milabs will admit more to the occult weapons, medical, sexual abuse and servicing aspect–which is so commonplace that one wonders why this element of trauma, torture and sexual abuse is left out and largely marginalized in most “public testimonies” of supersoliders. Max Spiers is one of the few male supersoldiers/milabs who tells it like it is, by openly stating that the occult aspects, sexual programming, servicing and abuse is a large part of the “training” of assets, especially females. Many ritual abuse survivors have admitted to the occult magickal aspects of sexual rituals as being the primal energy needed for occult power, (not to mention ritual sacrifice killing) as well as the modus operandi in early childhood abuse for the specific purpose of dissociation and mind control programming.

    To say Milabs is a Pandora’s box is an understatement. The milab experience itself is diverse. It can include the classic alien abduction types of experiences, but also occult ritual and cult abuse elements, dissociation, post traumatic stress disorder, multiple personality disorder, military abductions, political manipulation, medical experimentation, interrogations, black operations, time travel, bilocation to alternate locations such as underground military installations or off planet bases on the moon or Mars.

    More anomalous reports of being “pulled into alternate timelines, dimensions and realities occurs, where the line between real, imagined, physical, astral or virtual reality is blurred. Shared group dreaming occurs as well, while some milabs have clear awareness of astral operations, remote viewing, telepathy, astral tagging and programming dynamics. Astral and energetic tantric sexual interactions (some being astral rituals) are commonplace for some milabs, who have expanded awareness on subtle levels of reality. And it is these types of subtle programming that we need to take heed of, because programming can happen on very subliminal astral and refined energetic levels as well. Well, that is, if we want to regain our own sovereignty, we must work to expand awareness, clear traumas, integrate and heal. Then extend what we do know to others with integrity.

    Alot of what we are hearing now involves the Secret Space Program, Mars and Earth Defense Force, and a number of extraterrestrial races who are either working with our own human elite secret government groups, who are hostile or benevolent to varying groups and agendas. It is quite complex. Somewhere within these testimonies and milab experiences are kernels of truth, and yet one has to be extremely discerning on what really is “truth” or what is happening in these secret programs.

    Mind control and “spiritual soul control “ is so huge that I cannot underestimate this fact enough at this time. The great difficulty for many researchers and those who believe they are in some sort of milab program is clarity of memories, what is “reality” and the nature of consciousness itself. And the only way to really become clear on what ones own memories are, “what is real” and what is happening, is to take personal responsibility for ones own healing, integration and spiritual growth. It takes time to create healthy and safe “support” and true therapeutic process should involve clearing trauma and becoming aware of what and how one was “programmed” on many different levels. (And this includes various ET interactions as well) This is quite a momentous task, one in which most celebrity status whistleblowers have not thoroughly “lived” and this is apparent on the many forums and alternative media outlets.

    Then there are the shills, trolls and drama trouble-makers who muddy the waters so that the true opinions, personal discoveries of the milab experience are largely misrepresented, or skewed such that the focus deters away from the really empowering discussions that we at Rise Muliversity want to engage in, without the drama, slandering, drama, negative troll and shill involvement. It is not about what is right or wrong, but what we can do with honor and integrity to awaken, heal, expand awareness and share our wisdom with empathy considering what others are going through. And there is still much to learn, and we learn from one another.

    In our upcoming Milabs Round Table discussion event,(See below link ) we want to discuss what we feel is most important to this topic. And this is the what, how and why of milabs, and the true healing that needs to take place for clarity, inner peace and sovereignty.

    Some of the topics in bullet point fashion that we would like to discuss, may need to take place in several part RT discussions. These are the ideas we have considered to be discussed at some point in our upcoming discussions.

    The Milab Experience – Our Origins and Keys to Recovering our True Memory

    Round Table Discussion Event via RISE Multiversity

    (http://www.risemultiversity.org)

    Saturday July 25, 6-10 pm Eastern time

    Eve Lorgen with Sienna Lea, Laura Leon and Christine Anderson present a dynamic Milab Round Table webinar and discussion with a Q & A afterward.

    How does comprehending the Milab (aka super soldiers, Montauk boys/girls, MK Ultra military and alien abduction programs) lead us to healing, recovery and true integration? How does the imposition of mc programs, alien and/or transdimensional races on the Human Being affect us? Why awareness of this phenomena, how and why it is perpetrated and by whom—is knowledge we need for our collective healing.

    What we are discovering through our growing comprehension of the Milab experience, including MKUltra, intelligence agents, abductee, contactee, SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) and other anomalous trauma experiencers?

    A history and description of the Milab, etc.

    Common denominators of Milabs.
    Shared realities within the Milab community.
    Recognizing family lineage/bloodline and the probable use of ritualistic sexual abuse and why that fact is commonly left unaddressed.
    Milab male, Milab female
    Recall of our origins, why true self-discovery and memory is important. Is it really about “bad karma” or are there other realities to consider?

    How long ago did the programming start. Why it’s important to know ones own history and family occult connections.
    What is/was true earth human’s original nature?
    What makes the human such an easy target.
    The original trauma, not original sin.
    Holographic Universe, Laws of Lore that uncover why trauma is so essential for spiritual control.

    How do we break free of these pernicious programs?

    Techniques for deprogramming, healing and integration:

    Reverse flow your abilities to data mine the controllers.
    Centering and awareness.
    Claiming your freedom and standing your ground.
    Identify your self in a time space coordinate of now and don’t lose that position.
    Learn to recognize the precursors to you being taken.
    Why stopping the victim mentality meme no matter how horrific your abuse was–is key.
    Don’t allow fear in and if detected, diligently work toward confronting it and not covering it up.
    Be vulnerable, often your shields are keeping you from seeing your essential nature.
    Find a partner and practice compassionate listening.
    Stay in small (non-celebrity) groups building a trust field.
    Sabotage of groups through infiltration, how does that happen and what to do.
    How does a group become infiltrated?
    What are the keys to detecting and stopping infiltration?
    Traps, distractions and ego trips. How this happens, why and what to do to avoid this.

    Why Healing is so Important for Freedom

    What are the markers of true integration
    What is soul sovereignty and how to recognize your own soul’s unique and true essence.



    Other ideas to consider and questions to ask:


    * What is a milab, super soldier, and how is the Secret Space Program involved with these people?

    * What kinds of operations and skills do they have in their projects?

    * What kinds of memories and life patterns suggest someone was used in a milab project or abductions? Why it is so important to really know ones own family history and occult connections including any kinds of trauma and abuse.

    * Why is mind control so important and how is it used? How are they traditionally “trained” for example to be excellent intuitives, remote viewers, intelligence gatherers and occult weapons abilities?

    * How is the Illuminati involved and why do they tend to use their own “bloodline family members” for these black projects. Why are some considered “expendable” according to Illuminati Family member “definitions” of what bloodline is? (Good question for The Ruiner)

    * Why do Exo-politics Media groups and many whistleblowers focus so much on “the story” and any technology, science, etc. as opposed to the “training”, ( i.e. trauma and torture) healing, recovery and spiritual integration? Why so much drama and ego involved?

    * What tends to happen in “milab or abductee support groups, forums and online discussion groups”. IE, how shills and trolls infiltrate, using comments and “buzz words” used to trigger programming and create dissension, enmity, slandering. Why non-therapists and not fully recovered survivors tend to run these things and may create more problems for the “survivors” just beginning to recover.

    * How to recognize internet or media shills, trolls and social engineering information spin controllers. Observation of slandering, blaming & shaming tactics. How and why the predator-parasite infected shills break up and corrupt forums so that the real opinions and experiences of people are largely misrepresented. How programmed shills promote false opinions and statistics of what people/groups really want, say and need.

    * How and why do stories get fabricated, spun to accommodate disinformation campaigns, and how can we spot this and stop it before it happens? Are people getting paid to do this or are most just easily manipulated to fall into the various traps that are set for them?

    * How some top level researchers, gurus, teachers are really some form of MK ultra split programmed multiples, playing dual roles of good guy/teacher while being milab programmers and occult handlers in secret. (Most keep a low profile publically who are handlers, watchers and controllers)

    * Why healing, integration and recovery is important to freedom and clarity on what is happening and why. How taking personal responsibility is the key to sovereignty.
    What milabs, abductees and those considering recovery can do so they don’t get pulled into booby trap games, programs and ruined relationships.

    * How the Illuminati fits into these agendas, and some of the Ruiner Blog topics, comments regarding the Secret Space Program and Illuminati Family structure, Annunaki etc. Why the confusion of terms, names, definitions and history remain full of inaccuracies, so that people who do wake up will use inaccurate terms, thus making them look “wrong” and easily discredited. Who holds the true history, information, and why should we believe those claiming to have the real “secret history of Earth, ETs and the whole nine yards—just because they are from a high level “Illuminati bloodline family” who keeps these secrets?

    Perhaps our questions should be on essence, beingness, energetic signature, athy, integrity, deeds and long term history, rather than accuracy of “information and mental knowledge”.

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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen



    REALLY valuable. I'm bumping this already.

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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    I think you have researched it so much Limor that you would be my point of reference on the Milab topics.

    Your questions are excellent, and mostly your perhaps, since the targets of Milabs is most probably much more than information and mental knowledge, or special feats. It may very well be about not only slavery, but souls (some call it spirits).

    One thing for sure is that the bloodlines have been genetically manipulated to be the reptiles indefectible servants, and to be so aggressive and self centered as to want the planet at their feet, but it does not tell about soul manipulation.

    It seems that human bodies would be manipulated to create hybrids (I think this has been going on forever almost), in order to be as physically resistant as humans are, but more apt to have reptilian or mantid or other kinds full fledge Aliens souls incarnating in those hybrid but very human like bodies. (undistinguishable). This is more than bloodlines souls, which are still twarted human souls, this is about Alien souls taking over a large part of human looking but genetically modified bodies (to be able to accept the Alien soul vibration).

    My guess is that the reptiles and others in the regressive forces have been going sooooo far in their regressive state that there is no turning back in order to be able to evolve further. THey have to be happy with remaining the same for eternity. The only turning back would be piggy backing on human shoulders, but not some say with the arrival of the super consciousness wave and humanity ascension.

    It would be rather piggy backing on humans back by incarnating en masse into human societies in order to be able to live emotions and rebuild their path to higher self. And for this, they still need us here. We are the ones with the higher link.

    They are mistaking emotions and astral world (and a bit of the mental world) for higher self because it is the only world they are able to have an impact on and control. They cannot even start to foresee what higher worlds truly are. So they are taking the direction of control and force once again, this time by incarnating in human bodies, not understanding that control leads nowhere. To go higher you have to relinquish control and lies.

    In the meantime, it is the humans who have to carry the weight of "humans with reptilian souls" making havoc in the society. And our number, real humans, is reducing more and more with time.

    My other theory is that we are their trojan horse. They are using our bodies to incarnate in and will take posession of the planet through incarnating in hybrid bodies.

    My other theory is: they thought they could use us, incarnate in hybrid bodies turned pretty much human like, eat us, sniff our strong emotions (emotions line), without having undesirable impact on them.

    But higher up knew better and it is the human from earth who are the real trojan horse. If what The Ruiner said is true, the Dracos are leaving but consuming us has rubbed on them and the King now knows that he has a soul.

    Starting from there, he will have to operate taking this into consideration from now on. This would mean that at a certain far away time, he will have to turn around. Awareness being the first step.


    Well, those spéculations are that, only spéculations.

    But I do Wonder. Why the Milabs then? Which abilities or signature do human have that is useful in the now?

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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    Flash, thank's. the above questions are not mine but are part of the article by Eve Lorgen. It's a theory, practice and internship for me this time around.. I believe your 'speculations' are right on when saying that it comes to the soul component and how they view it and direct their desire to enslave it via hybridization programs and such (this was also alluded to me by this man on the plane), it is also done via injecting of alien DNA, the use of energetic transfers etc. The Milab subject is so misunderstood and it spreads over many definitions and related fields with many variety of people and experiences, some have very little to do with military and more to do with inteligence or some other agency/organisation capacity such as NASA etc. each and their own story, but all in all it has to do with the control of our planet and the variety of life inside/outside of it.

    It is purposefully either underrated or overrated, but in my eyes, it does not yet recieve the proper relations and the understanding that it is relating to us all in one way or the other, if not today then tomorrow.. The works and research such as Eve Lorgen's and James Bartley's and a few more (very few!) are exposing this reality and what it means with a true emphasis on the human aspect, not only the informational aspect. And that is hugely important.

    To the best of my understanding, the soul component can be transfered (like a ball on a court), but can not be infiltrated or messed with in it's essence.

    Bill, thank you very much for the bump of this information and for your support of it ~


    James Bartley - Military abduction and reptelian overlordship October 2014

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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    From Eve Lorgen's website - Radio Show and Updated News on Milab Round Table Event -

    "I just gave a great 2 hour interview on Masaki Akaida’s Youtube and Podcast Radio Show Monday July 20, 2015.

    We discussed:

    – UFO abduction research in the 1990s, what was being discovered
    – The role of women as groundbreakers, healers in the ET / UFO research field
    – The Alien Love Bite, Dark Side of Cupid
    – Alien and Negative Entities Milking Human Emotions & Relationships for Energy
    – Reptilian Hosting & Strip Clubs
    – Being aware, new wave of ‘New Age’ popularity right now
    – MILABs (Military Abduction) phenomena & ‘Super Soldiers’

    As a reminder we have some new Milab Round Table Participant Panelists to join us Saturday July 25, 2015 6 pm Eastern Time. James Bartley, Tom Montauk and Carissa Conte will join us for this rare and dynamic, controversial subject. We may have some surprise guest “milabs” also. Remember to register at the RISE Multiversity Web site at the link below and give some time to sign in and also download Zoom if you don’t already have it to participate in this video conferencing Discussion Event.

    Round Table July 25th

    http://www.risemultiversity.org/the-...ecovering.html

    Posted in News, Radio | Tagged alien abductions, alien love bite, Dark Side of Cupid, Milab Round Table Event, MK-Ultra, Radio Show, trauma"


    Eve's Lorgen 2 hour interview on Masaki Akaida’s Youtube and Podcast Radio Show


    p.s

    I believe Eve's Lorgens and James Bartley's research and body of work is the most important nowadays in order to have a full view on what is happening around us, please spread if you so feel inclined

    Very Best,

    Limor
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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    Eve Lorgen is amazing for continuing the work of Dr. Karla Turner and Barbara Barthlet.
    In my opinion these women were true heroes, amazing courage, 99.9 percent of us would have stopped our pursuit if threatened how these women had been, and yet these women continued and paid the ultimate price for their pursuit in my opinion.

    Their work with alien abductees has removed any idea from my mind that I know what is going on. I also now know how many other researchers have agendas and as such censor information from abductees.
    I feel the need to thank Dr. Karla Turner often and greatly for her selfless pursuit in shining light on the truth for all.


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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    Hi DNA, I absolutely agree, these people have to take quite a lot, and they are doing a real service for humanity. I am sure awarness kicks in pretty soon to their incredible contributions as the water gets warmer (not to say boiling), and the 'behind the scenes' realities will emerge and these scenarios (played on the personal level as well as the political-global level) can be recognised...

    Then our world will be healed!

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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    I don't quite understand the milab thing, and am not sure that I'm ready to invest hours on videos.

    This what I think I know:

    Milabs are military abductions performed by a government (only U.S.?) for multiple purposes.

    1- to confuse the REAL alien abduction phenomenon?

    2- to interrogate real abductees after their real abductions

    3- I'm all out of ideas..

    Can some one sum it up in a couple of hearty paragraphs?

    Why are milabs abducted by military?

    What makes then special?

    How is it different from real alien abductions?

    Are real abductions AND milabs just screen memories?

    What would you say to a non-believer who thinks that milabs and abductees are fantasy prone people with vivid imagination, highly suggestible, who's experiences are nothing more than vivid, lucid dreams?

    Has there ever been a well documented case with ample evidence to suggest that the milab phenomenon isn't just a new, upgraded fantasy of abduction, where the bogey man is now evil government in collusion with evil aliens, where in our cultural past it was succubus, incubus, demons, djinns, elves and other spirits (for lack of a better categorizing word)?

    I'm honestly curious, and don't mean to offend with my questions. I understand this is a touchy subject for some people.

    However, I'll state that I am a skeptic who thinks that MOST milabs self identify with the meme out of a victim complex and personality disorder(s). Those who really have experiences might only be having extended, vivid sleep paralysis episodes, indicating some physical disorder (that could be remedied through medication and counseling, perhaps). This I conclude after reading about alien abduction for couple years, both pro and con. Same phenomenon. Same psychology.

    Karla and Barbra, along with Eve and James, in my book, spark(ed) and perpetuat(ed) this hysteria, as did Bud Hopkins, David Jacobs and others with the Alien Abductions.

    Some people are just a little or a lot ... crazy.

    Edit:

    John Alexander discussing Lamars's rebuttal of his wife's article on milabs, that was rejected by mufon. He brings up very valid points/questions

    http://www.whale.to/b/john_alexander_on_milabs.html

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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    Quote Posted by Limor Wolf (here)
    Hi DNA, I absolutely agree, these people have to take quite a lot, and they are doing a real service for humanity. I am sure awarness kicks in pretty soon to their incredible contributions as the water gets warmer (not to say boiling), and the 'behind the scenes' realities will emerge and these scenarios (played on the personal level as well as the political-global level) can be recognised...

    Then our world will be healed!
    Hi Limor.
    Keep up the good work.

    This topic and the related tributaries of thought are not for the weak of heart.


    Dr. Karla Turner noted some disturbing factors not being discussed by the popular ufo abduction writers of the time.
    She was possibly the first researcher to note and document the MILAB situation. But in her experiences it seemed to be the lower intensity variety where the military would abduct, interrogate an alien abductee and then if necessary threaten and or torture the abductee into silence. Dr. Karla Turner and two of her abductee informants all received an identical torture for failing to comply with cease and desist orders.

    Dr. Turner noted a soul removal procedure remarkably similar in not a few of her abductees.
    A black hand sized cube was welded by the Grey and it was used to capture the soul of various abductees and transplant this essence into a perfect clone of that individual.
    Dr. Turner was left to speculate as to the reason for this.
    Her speculations were none to positive.
    She felt it very possible that we were food for a reptilian race and that they preferred their food to be emotionally charged through the occupation of a human soul, but instead of out and out killing us, they removed our soul and placed it in a clone, a new food source to be charged again.

    Dr. Malanga noted a similar technique in his studies and regressions. It was his interpretation of these events that the Greys were removing the soul so as to apply a non terrestrial non corporal parasite that needed to feed on our soul and use the immortality of our soul as a form of memory storage. This because these parasites are not truly alive or immortal.

    This makes me think of AI, and the AI black goo folks talk of.

    It's a difficult rabbit hole for the uninitiated.

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    Quote Posted by Twain (here)
    I don't quite understand the milab thing, and am not sure that I'm ready to invest hours on videos.

    This what I think I know:

    Milabs are military abductions performed by a government (only U.S.?) for multiple purposes.

    1- to confuse the REAL alien abduction phenomenon?

    2- to interrogate real abductees after their real abductions

    3- I'm all out of ideas..

    Can some one sum it up in a couple of hearty paragraphs?

    Why are milabs abducted by military?

    What makes then special?

    How is it different from real alien abductions?

    Are real abductions AND milabs just screen memories?

    What would you say to a non-believer who thinks that milabs and abductees are fantasy prone people with vivid imagination, highly suggestible, who's experiences are nothing more than vivid, lucid dreams?

    Has there ever been a well documented case with ample evidence to suggest that the milab phenomenon isn't just a new, upgraded fantasy of abduction, where the bogey man is now evil government in collusion with evil aliens, where in our cultural past it was succubus, incubus, demons, djinns, elves and other spirits (for lack of a better categorizing word)?

    I'm honestly curious, and don't mean to offend with my questions. I understand this is a touchy subject for some people.

    However, I'll state that I am a skeptic who thinks that MOST milabs self identify with the meme out of a victim complex and personality disorder(s). Those who really have experiences might only be having extended, vivid sleep paralysis episodes, indicating some physical disorder (that could be remedied through medication and counseling, perhaps). This I conclude after reading about alien abduction for couple years, both pro and con. Same phenomenon. Same psychology.

    Karla and Barbra, along with Eve and James, in my book, spark(ed) and perpetuat(ed) this hysteria, as did Bud Hopkins, David Jacobs and others with the Alien Abductions.

    Some people are just a little or a lot ... crazy.

    Edit:

    John Alexander discussing Lamars's rebuttal of his wife's article in milabs, that was rejected by mufon. He brings up very valid points/questions

    http://www.whale.to/b/john_alexander_on_milabs.html

    Can't find her article right away, but it's titled, What Would Freud Say? By Victoria Lacas Alexander

    I like to look at all sides.
    You state you don't know anything about MILABS but then you credit Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara and Eve Lorgen of creating hysteria?
    Are you truly asking questions or have you already made you're mind up on the matter?

    If you are asking questions, then my advice would be to check out the MK ULTRA stuff. The MILAB thing being a continuation in this same direction.


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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    I've read about it, never first hand experiences, nor have I heard Karla speak. I know many names and what they do, have done for UFOLOGY. I try to use my intuition. Try, so that I don't have to go through a whole book or video, but read reviews and comments.

    I said I'm a skeptic on this one. I've given my reasons, aka abductionism only makes sense to me through psychology.

    Thanks for the suggestion. A lot of subjects get taken over by hysteria. Look no further than Christian superstition through the ages.
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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    Quote Posted by Twain (here)
    I've read about it, never first hand experiences, nor have I heard Karla speak. I know many names and what they do, have done for UFOLOGY. I try to use my intuition. Try, so that I don't have to go through a whole book or video, but read reviews and comments.

    I said I'm a skeptic on this one. I've given my reasons, aka abductionism only makes sense to me through psychology.

    Thanks for the suggestion. A lot of subjects get taken over by hysteria. Look no further than Christian superstition through the ages.
    I suppose you are quite a bit more congenial than I when first confronted with all of this.
    I was confrontational about it all being a crock of sh!t.
    And this was just the MK ULTRA stuff.
    My greatest misconception that rallied me to label the whole mess a bunch of conspiracy crap was my conviction that folks in authority here in the USA would never do this stuff.

    The BBC special on the Nebraska boys town was where my naivity gave way.
    From what I wss told the BBC was paid over a million bucks not to air this.


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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    Just because mkultra was a thing doesn't mean everyone who claims being experimented on was a military victim. Some people make sh!t up, especially after hearing other people's stories. Take the satanic ritual abuse hysteria in the 80's. One fabricated story lead to hundreds of copy cat cases. (Same with demon possession stories.) Add unethical hypnosis, and you create a contagious hysteria.

    People forget that humans can be compulsive and very good straight faced liars. When they believe their own lies they are crazy and sociopaths/psychopaths. This subject, abductions and anything that plays into delusions of persecution/grandeur, draws a lot of fakes, damaged people who find solace in support groups.

    Some of your best online friends are like this, as I'm sure many people have learned the hard way.

    I know the verdict is still out on a milab named Corey Goode. I read around, read here and there, that he was in the Avalon milab groups. It could be argued that because of his PTSD, he developed into mental instability, but with his personality, made friends here, counseled some other milabs, and then went far left to psychosis, which lead to him 'remembering' a false history. If he doesn't get serious help he'll end up washed out and sick, like other contactee fakes who can't let go of their fantasy, but instead, make up a new narrative, aka Mind Control and Milab.

    Listen to me front on about my opinions. Should anyone want to answer my OP questions, then thanks.

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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    Hello Twain,

    Thank you for your comments, I understand your reluctance in meeting this unusual subjects, I will kindly ask you, though, to open a new thread on this topic, should you like to pursue it further, and allow this one to honor the works of the Milabs researchers mentioned here without a dissent (as justified as this inquiry may be). Thanks!

    DNA, your continuous search on this subject is admirable. I believe we are all invested in it.

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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    Quote Posted by Twain (here)
    Just because mkultra was a thing doesn't mean everyone who claims being experimented on was a military victim. Some people make sh!t up, especially after hearing other people's stories. Take the satanic ritual abuse hysteria in the 80's. One fabricated story lead to hundreds of copy cat cases. (Same with demon possession stories.) Add unethical hypnosis, and you create a contagious hysteria.

    People forget that humans can be compulsive and very good straight faced liars. When they believe their own lies they are crazy and sociopaths/psychopaths. This subject, abductions and anything that plays into delusions of persecution/grandeur, draws a lot of fakes, damaged people who find solace in support groups.

    Some of your best online friends are like this, as I'm sure many people have learned the hard way.

    I know the verdict is still out on a milab named Corey Goode. I read around, read here and there, that he was in the Avalon milab groups. It could be argued that because of his PTSD, he developed into mental instability, but with his personality, made friends here, counseled some other milabs, and then went far left to psychosis, which lead to him 'remembering' a false history. If he doesn't get serious help he'll end up washed out and sick, like other contactee fakes who can't let go of their fantasy, but instead, make up a new narrative, aka Mind Control and Milab.

    Listen to me front on about my opinions. Should anyone want to answer my OP questions, then thanks.
    So what is a MILAB?
    You seem like you have accepted the possibility and likelihood that MKULTRA exists. A MILAB is basically the same thing, except instead of it having a basis in the intelligence community, it is based in the military.
    Is that jump so far fetched?
    The MILAB label isn't a desired thing.
    Anyone claiming MILAB status is suspect of still being under control of those who originally initiated the protocol.

    Corey Goode may in fact be one of those people.
    It seems far more likely than the story he tells.

    There is no one sitting or meal of information that will prove all of this to you one way or another. And if it did, I'm afraid you would be guilty of coming to a premature conclusion based on laziness because you didn't want to pursue more data.
    We are in the land of first hand human testimonial.
    There is really no smoking gun.
    One must compare, contrast and discern as to wether or not what you are hearing is legitimate or a con.

    As such please first digest the data and discuss the specifics if you truly wish to learn anything.

    Other wise your statements about being skeptical are actually arguments excusing you from digging into the data unless someone can offer tantalizing evidence contrary to your already made up mind on the matter.

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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    Twain, your skepticism is refreshing and welcome. I'm with you regarding the recklessness of the religious hangover that has latched onto many of the elements of -new age- thinking...

    Try and imagine that you are not discussing these things with folks who were born yesterday! Your attitude regarding ignorant folks who will believe anything,, being a big part of the problem is echoed in all of our hearts. At Avalon, we push forward the discussions,, if we can..

    -Where science and spirituality meet-

    I know that you want proof of everything... Dont we all... If one only dares to walk where there is proof,,, one walks in a very tiny box...

    I cannot prove that I love mee mum! But I do... and will never be able to pour out a cup, measure it,, and show you...

    The Milab issues are ambigious, but they effect almost every corner of the alt community..

    There is a Tigers Tail in view.. When we pull it,,, Milabs...


    We are all quite aware of the potential pitfalls regarding deceptive people.. You happen to be rubbing a bit of salt in a bit of a wound.. Yes we have learned.. Thank you for your insistence that we understand such things..


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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    From Kerry Cassidy's recent blog -

    "The victimization of young people who are targeted and manipulated from a young age has been well documented and reveals what may surely be countless numbers of potential Manchurian Candidates in place around the United States as well as the rest of the world. Children conditioned by MKUltra type of programming and satanic ritural abuse placing them in key areas where in later years they can be triggered and then controlled as assassins, spies and more. This video from the 1996 is striking because of the testimonies of two young women who repeatedly refer to the use of "RADIATION" as being integral to the mind control techniques they experienced. What comes to mind is Fukushima and the leaking radition from nuclear power plants around the world (a growing list) and how this must be part of a larger agenda with regard to mind control worldwide of populations.

    We know about the use of chemtrails and flouride in water containing chemicals and nano particles that are working to make populations more malleable and submissive... We must also become hyper alert to the signs of mass mind control in populations who do not question their every day reality. It goes without saying that it has become crucial to question every incident reported by news agencies around the world in which a so-called patsy or lone assassin is blamed and often arrested and tried for crimes they either did not commit or committed as a result of mind control. The signs are often there in the reporting when you see a "history" of something especially so-called "mental illness" coupled with a highly intelligent success story such as with the Chattanooga assassin who not long before, graduated with a degree in Engineering in 2012.

    What we have here is evidence of widespread mass mind control techniques in operation alongside victims of mind control who are targeted as children.

    This is a Grey-Draco infilitration of the planet being carried out by their minions, politicians and higher level officials in government, institutions and corporations. The inspring story in the video of 2 young women who see through to the truth of what has been done to them indicates that this agenda does not work on all humans and breaks down over a certain period of time (see our interview with Duncan O'Finioan). It is a testimony to the resilence of humanity that we are able to break through the ridiculous plethora of efforts to keep us down and controlled, time and again. Question everything."



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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    For me this was a very interesting, helpful and most recommended evening with the quest to understand more about the 'Milabs' aspect in (some of) our lives, as this subject is so misunderstood, but not only, it's also about the current operated technology, the interferences from both interdimantional entities and humans and our general experiences with frequency war, putting the emphasis on our human connection and support of each other which is of so much importance in these times and days. It is possible to download it here - per voluntary donation

    The Milab Experience – Our Origins and Keys to Recovering our True Memory

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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    There's so much I would like to say and I don't even have words for it.
    So I start wuth saying what I feel:
    Thank you Limor! (and all the other people sharing this valuable information) For sharing this.

    I have been listening to a couple of Eves Lorgen interviews after your post and have discovered so many paralels with my experiences (and my life in general) and the stuff she talks about...
    Thank you.
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    Default Re: From The Milab Experience to the Expansive Consciousness, by Eve Lorgen

    Hi Noir, sorry, I sincerely only noticed your post above today. I really thank you for your feedback and response, I think it helps if we share this between us all. I totally agree that this is a highly significant discoveries by Eve Lorgen (check out James Bartley as well if you hadn't done so already, and if you feel up to it). All this has an impact not only on the understanding of the relatively small area of what can be considered as Milabs, but on the whole of society, as it touches on the 'behind the scenes' of how our world operates and the great possibility of the orchastration of human's life via many means. These are profound understandings. I hope that you are okay after learning about the parallel of this information with your own life, since it can sometimes be quite uneasy and challenging to digest.

    Here is one more interview with Eve on the 'naked truth' show with Kelli, talked about subjects are the many experiences of high strangness occuring nowadays and being reported to her, also on the 'love bite' - the Alien matching phenomenon and experimentation with all varieties of relationships, for an un known overall purpose.
    I am only in the beginning of it, but it really is quite fascinating!



    Makes you wonder what is the nature of our world and our reality

    Many Blessings ~

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