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    Default Re: John of God, Healer at Casa de Dom Inacio in Brazil

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    I have not been to this centre, Casa de Dom Inacio in Brazil. I have read about people's experiences, however.
    I suspect much of the healing can be attributed to the land itself; the location is described as having great spirit and high frequency; a place where miracles happen (the electromagnetics/vortex point/likelihood of living deepwater wells).

    Also, for many years, people have been in constant states of meditation. This creates a vibe of wellbeing and peace. If people have "faith" there is a stronger possibility for body-mind-spirit to move to greater balance.
    Perhaps John of God is simply a symbol-- like the holy centre of Lourdes (fancy Cathedral/Grotto). It is the stream of water discovered by a young Bernadette that provides the healing...and our ready willingness to be "healed"

    Sadly, it is very possible that these allegations of sexual abuse carry truth. People readily give their power away (not excusing John the Man's actions)--just his status. John of God is a pretty powerful epithet!!
    These are all aspects of the Casa that could be powerful and worked for some of the millions who came to seek help.

    I would like to believe that John of God (JOG) is a true healer and spiritual man but the evidence is strong that not only was he abusing selected women and girls, he was also amassing large sums of cash for his own benefit. He was a powerful man in the local region's community and he has a very mixed reputation.

    There is strong evidence that his behavior has been known by volunteers and employees for many many years and allowed to continue. Apparently some justified his behavior because he was supposedly doing great good. Others were intimidated to be silent either through fear of JOG's "minders" or psychic attack.

    Brazil has a religion called Spiritism with millions of followers. In that religion, mediums are said to have reincarnated after causing great harm in past lives. The ability to be a channel for healing is seen as a way of pentence for past sins. Interestingly, though JOG proclaims he uses the method of spirit mediumship, he has separated himself from the Spiritist Church doctrine and its strict ethical practice.

    If anyone is interested, I wrote a blog about my observation that the abuse could not have happened without the ongong complicity of a community surrounding him. I think that in addition to the "outing" of particular abusers, it is vital for the dismantling of systems that support abuse. This means that it is not enough to "punish" perpetrators but to understand how even well meaning participants in abusive systems are the reasons serial abuse can persist. I do want to call out this wide spread complicity which is ignorance at its lowest common denominator.

    http://www.celestialhealing.com/2018...lage.html#more

    In the Catholic church system, priests are raised to a staus above other humans because they can offer the sacraments. This attitude allowed the church for centuries to compartmentalize wide spread evil acts. The publicity in the 21st century is important but the people still will grant priests special staus. It is true that people in "churches" worldwide defer to priests and clergy, seeing them as holy authorities and closer to god. JOG was another case of raising a man to the status of a special being seen to be intimate with the spirits and god.

    It is positive that people accessed healing at the Casa but there are other explanations for the good outcomes SOME people experienced. Only some people accessed miracles. With an objective eye, one could begin to identify many factors that allowed some to heal. The biggest component is a valuable HUMAN capacity to use placebo to trigger the INNATE healing ability.

    The very effort to visist Brazil like a pilgrimage could trigger healing. The real love and goodness of fellow travelers and Casa volunteers could trigger this capacity. We do NOT need healers IMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(a million exclamation points). Yes, we do need to access healing.

    What we need is to learn how to heal OURSELVES by understanding that this is not some special dispensation but our own biophysical function which in most is dormant. We also can support our companions through lending our excess biophysical energy. It is not a mystical process at all except that people do not recognize or cultivate it.

    Therefore a whole new direction needs to be taken to eliminate the general condition where a man like JOG could capitalize on the hopeful, vulnerable, desparate seekers who are first of all in a de-energized state when they became "ill" and second of all out of touch with how this de-energized state might be restored at will. We are universally blessed through our own access to an UNLIMITED source of life force. But we must be receptive.

    The science is available for those willing to study and to practice.
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    It is possible that dark molesting evil entities (ghosts) also find their way into his body incorporating it & actually doing what he is being accused of ?
    If this time he guilty & has transgressed so be it .... throw the book at him !
    because he also an obligation with his gift to keep it pure .

    Anyway , all this will not change my new found belief & views on how gifted humans can heal & assist us heal .
    I was their in 2012 & my incurable disease has either halted or slowed progressing & many times i feel it has reversed as well , as i really shouldn't be here typing according to what so called specialists all said to me back in 2001 & 2002 .

    cheers

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    DeeMetrios, I am delighted that your illness has gone into remission or been totally abated. However it happened.

    But to cast his actions off on "evil entities incorporating into his body" goes beyond the pale. Is that our standard?? How can it be? I think you are sincere but that is a very large Cop-Out.

    Just because "good things" or even "miraculous" things happen around someone (or their physical area) doesn't mean bad things are also--or CAN also be happening. We have to really grow up here. Papa and Mama may have given us lots of hugs -- but they may also have put our hands on the stove. For whatever their reasons are--it doesn't diminish the pain.

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    Default Re: John of God, Healer at Casa de Dom Inacio in Brazil

    you are correct caliban , he should not have done what he did ... "even mere mortals know right from wrong"

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    Quote Posted by DeeMetrios (here)
    you are correct caliban , he should not have done what he did ... "even mere mortals know right from wrong"
    It doesn't look good for him now, or his community. So many years of building it up, a community of healing, of prayer, of gathering together in peace, and if this is true, even a bit of it... heartbreaking. But, the investigations still need to be done and in a thorough way. It's just sad and one really wonders -- how could it have gone on so long? Are we that afraid to spoil "the party" ?

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    a community of healing, of prayer, of gathering together in peace
    Now that you mention it, that's not so different from the Catholic Church, huh?

    The people who are capable of the worst atrocities are the ones who refuse to realize that everyone has a dark side to their personality, that no one's poop doesn't stink. You can't guard against the shadow if you refuse to acknowledge that it even exists, and try to keep it suppressed in your unconscious.

    If they like to pretend to be angels or perfect saints, watch out! It was the Puritans who burned the "witches" at Salem.

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    Default Re: John of God, Healer at Casa de Dom Inacio in Brazil

    My purely speculative guess:

    He had some kind of capacity (or vulnerability?) to be a channel for entities... like having a door wide open, or puppet strings all laid out and available.

    Entities, of course, can be benevolent and altruistic, mischievous, malevolent, or sometimes (literally) insane.

    It may have been that any or all of those non-human influences may have been acting through him, all his life. Maybe even competing to use him.

    To a lesser extent, of course, that can apply to any one of us. The key to human responsibility to stand up for and defend one's sovereignty, whatever influences are there, and make one's OWN choices, despite what Christians might call 'temptation'.

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    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    a community of healing, of prayer, of gathering together in peace
    Now that you mention it, that's not so different from the Catholic Church, huh?

    The people who are capable of the worst atrocities are the ones who refuse to realize that everyone has a dark side to their personality, that no one's poop doesn't stink. You can't guard against the shadow if you refuse to acknowledge that it even exists, and try to keep it suppressed in your unconscious.

    If they like to pretend to be angels or perfect saints, watch out! It was the Puritans who burned the "witches" at Salem.
    "Everything that’s real in life has a shadow. And I’m dealing with the shadow of us all.”

    That's a quote from this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/28/n...lophouses.html It's about the last denizens of an old Bowery flophouse in NYC. He's a poet and artist who changed his name early on to -- here it comes -- Sir Shadow.

    That's what I'd call a synchronicity.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    My purely speculative guess:

    He had some kind of capacity (or vulnerability?) to be a channel for entities... like having a door wide open, or puppet strings all laid out and available.

    Entities, of course, can be benevolent and altruistic, mischievous, malevolent, or sometimes (literally) insane.

    It may have been that any or all of those non-human influences may have been acting through him, all his life. Maybe even competing to use him.

    To a lesser extent, of course, that can apply to any one of us. The key to human responsibility to stand up for and defend one's sovereignty, whatever influences are there, and make one's OWN choices, despite what Christians might call 'temptation'.

    Well said Bill .... i wish i could have descibed it like that ...cheers

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    I would like to report that right now, John of God is being acused of enslavement of women with the objective to get them pregnant to trafck the babies of those women kept in enslavement.The countries that were receiving those babies were UsA, EUROPE and Australia.

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    John is an example of a man who abuses his position of power. It is a conscious choice, to sexually and psychologically abuse women and children. John continues this behaviour because he lacks moral fibre and because people choose to look away. Our relationship to "power" can be a reflection of our health.
    John is not a healthy man; physically or mentally.
    The scales, eventually, will be righted and Justice will be served.

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