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    Quote Posted by prc (here)
    From all the abuses of John of God, there is one that causes surprises : His daughter.

    Daughter of João de Deus reports abuses she would have suffered from the medium, In an interview with Espectacular Sunday, Dalva says that the abuses began during childhood....

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    That gives evidence of a protracted behaviour of his; i.e., not something sudden or accidental.
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    For those who don't speak portuguese (like myself) -

    This seems to have been written in portuguese and put through google translate:

    https://lakishajj.wordpress.com/2018...e-by-daughter/

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    This thread has turned into a witch hunt.

    Are we dismissing his abilities or talents because of his potential transgressions? Was Bill Clinton any less of a President?

    The core message of the author who started this thread was to offer an alternative to seeking aid in times of suffering.

    Can we come back to the source and intent of the thread?

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    Quote Posted by gigawatt (here)
    This thread has turned into a witch hunt.

    Are we dismissing his abilities or talents because of his potential transgressions?

    Can we come back to the source and intent of the thread?
    I can only speak for myself , but there seems little , if any , hard evidence that he was/is a healer .
    But lots of hard evidence that he is a wretched person who needs to be removed from society and punished for his hideous past .From legal process .
    To me that is the nub of the matter and must remain primary .

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    Quote Posted by ripple (here)
    Quote Posted by gigawatt (here)
    This thread has turned into a witch hunt.

    Are we dismissing his abilities or talents because of his potential transgressions?

    Can we come back to the source and intent of the thread?
    I can only speak for myself , but there seems little , if any , hard evidence that he was/is a healer .
    But lots of hard evidence that he is a wretched person who needs to be removed from society and punished for his hideous past .From legal process .
    To me that is the nub of the matter and must remain primary .

    I think you know very little about him ripple & yes there may be tons & tons of evidence that he is wretched but there are thousands upon thousands of people who have benefited & been healed by coming into contact with that area Abidiania & the healing energy & benevolent spirits that inhabit it .
    So im glad yr only speaking for yrself ...perhaps you can read one of his books to learn a bit more about him & what gets done at the Casa .

    Anyway , for you ripple & others that do not know , i will try to explain a bit about him very briefly .
    He is a trance channel , very different to the many who just close there eyes in meditation & allow entities speak thru ....eg Bashar , Kryon etc etc .
    John has the ability to have his eyes open & go about doing what he did whilst his soul/concousness was somewhere else & the spirits incorporate into his body & control it .
    John also has the ability to allow a number of various deceased doctors come & go thru his body to do healing in one of his sessions , the ones that meditated around were he sat also brought in healing entities as did the hundreds who sat in current ( meditation ) in the building helping .
    My two weeks their left me with no doubt as to the powerful loving healing energy their in Abadiania .
    Every picture i took , i captured orbs & other phenomena that defies logical explanation .
    Others that i travelled with even saw the orbs with their eyes & captured video footage in their rooms & elsewhere , so i can only imagine what others with higher vibration & more deeper spiritually see & experience .
    My time their was beautiful & to this day i meditate regularly & believe many individuals like John exist all over the world & like John says its not him that heals but god ( miracles from beyond the veil) & its not a go once n yr done thing , you must work at it & stay humble , etc etc ......

    Now , i cannot judge this man but i can inform you here that this has all happened before to this man & he was acquitted .

    It is possible that dark molesting evil entities (ghosts) also find their way into his body incorporating it & actually doing what he is being accused of ?
    If this time he guilty & has transgressed so be it .... throw the book at him !
    because he also an obligation with his gift to keep it pure .

    Anyway , all this will not change my new found belief & views on how gifted humans can heal & assist us heal .
    I was their in 2012 & my incurable disease has either halted or slowed progressing & many times i feel it has reversed as well , as i really shouldn't be here typing according to what so called specialists all said to me back in 2001 & 2002 .

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    Quote Posted by lunaflare (here)

    I have not been to this centre, Casa de Dom Inacio in Brazil. I have read about people's experiences, however.
    I suspect much of the healing can be attributed to the land itself; the location is described as having great spirit and high frequency; a place where miracles happen (the electromagnetics/vortex point/likelihood of living deepwater wells).

    Also, for many years, people have been in constant states of meditation. This creates a vibe of wellbeing and peace. If people have "faith" there is a stronger possibility for body-mind-spirit to move to greater balance.
    Perhaps John of God is simply a symbol-- like the holy centre of Lourdes (fancy Cathedral/Grotto). It is the stream of water discovered by a young Bernadette that provides the healing...and our ready willingness to be "healed"

    Sadly, it is very possible that these allegations of sexual abuse carry truth. People readily give their power away (not excusing John the Man's actions)--just his status. John of God is a pretty powerful epithet!!
    These are all aspects of the Casa that could be powerful and worked for some of the millions who came to seek help.

    I would like to believe that John of God (JOG) is a true healer and spiritual man but the evidence is strong that not only was he abusing selected women and girls, he was also amassing large sums of cash for his own benefit. He was a powerful man in the local region's community and he has a very mixed reputation.

    There is strong evidence that his behavior has been known by volunteers and employees for many many years and allowed to continue. Apparently some justified his behavior because he was supposedly doing great good. Others were intimidated to be silent either through fear of JOG's "minders" or psychic attack.

    Brazil has a religion called Spiritism with millions of followers. In that religion, mediums are said to have reincarnated after causing great harm in past lives. The ability to be a channel for healing is seen as a way of pentence for past sins. Interestingly, though JOG proclaims he uses the method of spirit mediumship, he has separated himself from the Spiritist Church doctrine and its strict ethical practice.

    If anyone is interested, I wrote a blog about my observation that the abuse could not have happened without the ongong complicity of a community surrounding him. I think that in addition to the "outing" of particular abusers, it is vital for the dismantling of systems that support abuse. This means that it is not enough to "punish" perpetrators but to understand how even well meaning participants in abusive systems are the reasons serial abuse can persist. I do want to call out this wide spread complicity which is ignorance at its lowest common denominator.

    http://www.celestialhealing.com/2018...lage.html#more

    In the Catholic church system, priests are raised to a staus above other humans because they can offer the sacraments. This attitude allowed the church for centuries to compartmentalize wide spread evil acts. The publicity in the 21st century is important but the people still will grant priests special staus. It is true that people in "churches" worldwide defer to priests and clergy, seeing them as holy authorities and closer to god. JOG was another case of raising a man to the status of a special being seen to be intimate with the spirits and god.

    It is positive that people accessed healing at the Casa but there are other explanations for the good outcomes SOME people experienced. Only some people accessed miracles. With an objective eye, one could begin to identify many factors that allowed some to heal. The biggest component is a valuable HUMAN capacity to use placebo to trigger the INNATE healing ability.

    The very effort to visist Brazil like a pilgrimage could trigger healing. The real love and goodness of fellow travelers and Casa volunteers could trigger this capacity. We do NOT need healers IMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(a million exclamation points). Yes, we do need to access healing.

    What we need is to learn how to heal OURSELVES by understanding that this is not some special dispensation but our own biophysical function which in most is dormant. We also can support our companions through lending our excess biophysical energy. It is not a mystical process at all except that people do not recognize or cultivate it.

    Therefore a whole new direction needs to be taken to eliminate the general condition where a man like JOG could capitalize on the hopeful, vulnerable, desparate seekers who are first of all in a de-energized state when they became "ill" and second of all out of touch with how this de-energized state might be restored at will. We are universally blessed through our own access to an UNLIMITED source of life force. But we must be receptive.

    The science is available for those willing to study and to practice.
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    Quote Posted by DeeMetrios (here)

    It is possible that dark molesting evil entities (ghosts) also find their way into his body incorporating it & actually doing what he is being accused of ?
    If this time he guilty & has transgressed so be it .... throw the book at him !
    because he also an obligation with his gift to keep it pure .

    Anyway , all this will not change my new found belief & views on how gifted humans can heal & assist us heal .
    I was their in 2012 & my incurable disease has either halted or slowed progressing & many times i feel it has reversed as well , as i really shouldn't be here typing according to what so called specialists all said to me back in 2001 & 2002 .

    cheers

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    DeeMetrios, I am delighted that your illness has gone into remission or been totally abated. However it happened.

    But to cast his actions off on "evil entities incorporating into his body" goes beyond the pale. Is that our standard?? How can it be? I think you are sincere but that is a very large Cop-Out.

    Just because "good things" or even "miraculous" things happen around someone (or their physical area) doesn't mean bad things are also--or CAN also be happening. We have to really grow up here. Papa and Mama may have given us lots of hugs -- but they may also have put our hands on the stove. For whatever their reasons are--it doesn't diminish the pain.

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    you are correct caliban , he should not have done what he did ... "even mere mortals know right from wrong"

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    Quote Posted by DeeMetrios (here)
    you are correct caliban , he should not have done what he did ... "even mere mortals know right from wrong"
    It doesn't look good for him now, or his community. So many years of building it up, a community of healing, of prayer, of gathering together in peace, and if this is true, even a bit of it... heartbreaking. But, the investigations still need to be done and in a thorough way. It's just sad and one really wonders -- how could it have gone on so long? Are we that afraid to spoil "the party" ?

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    a community of healing, of prayer, of gathering together in peace
    Now that you mention it, that's not so different from the Catholic Church, huh?

    The people who are capable of the worst atrocities are the ones who refuse to realize that everyone has a dark side to their personality, that no one's poop doesn't stink. You can't guard against the shadow if you refuse to acknowledge that it even exists, and try to keep it suppressed in your unconscious.

    If they like to pretend to be angels or perfect saints, watch out! It was the Puritans who burned the "witches" at Salem.

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    My purely speculative guess:

    He had some kind of capacity (or vulnerability?) to be a channel for entities... like having a door wide open, or puppet strings all laid out and available.

    Entities, of course, can be benevolent and altruistic, mischievous, malevolent, or sometimes (literally) insane.

    It may have been that any or all of those non-human influences may have been acting through him, all his life. Maybe even competing to use him.

    To a lesser extent, of course, that can apply to any one of us. The key to human responsibility to stand up for and defend one's sovereignty, whatever influences are there, and make one's OWN choices, despite what Christians might call 'temptation'.

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    Quote Posted by Caliban (here)
    a community of healing, of prayer, of gathering together in peace
    Now that you mention it, that's not so different from the Catholic Church, huh?

    The people who are capable of the worst atrocities are the ones who refuse to realize that everyone has a dark side to their personality, that no one's poop doesn't stink. You can't guard against the shadow if you refuse to acknowledge that it even exists, and try to keep it suppressed in your unconscious.

    If they like to pretend to be angels or perfect saints, watch out! It was the Puritans who burned the "witches" at Salem.
    "Everything that’s real in life has a shadow. And I’m dealing with the shadow of us all.”

    That's a quote from this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/28/n...lophouses.html It's about the last denizens of an old Bowery flophouse in NYC. He's a poet and artist who changed his name early on to -- here it comes -- Sir Shadow.

    That's what I'd call a synchronicity.

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    My purely speculative guess:

    He had some kind of capacity (or vulnerability?) to be a channel for entities... like having a door wide open, or puppet strings all laid out and available.

    Entities, of course, can be benevolent and altruistic, mischievous, malevolent, or sometimes (literally) insane.

    It may have been that any or all of those non-human influences may have been acting through him, all his life. Maybe even competing to use him.

    To a lesser extent, of course, that can apply to any one of us. The key to human responsibility to stand up for and defend one's sovereignty, whatever influences are there, and make one's OWN choices, despite what Christians might call 'temptation'.

    Well said Bill .... i wish i could have descibed it like that ...cheers

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    I would like to report that right now, John of God is being acused of enslavement of women with the objective to get them pregnant to trafck the babies of those women kept in enslavement.The countries that were receiving those babies were UsA, EUROPE and Australia.

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    John is an example of a man who abuses his position of power. It is a conscious choice, to sexually and psychologically abuse women and children. John continues this behaviour because he lacks moral fibre and because people choose to look away. Our relationship to "power" can be a reflection of our health.
    John is not a healthy man; physically or mentally.
    The scales, eventually, will be righted and Justice will be served.

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    Brazil spiritual healer sentenced to 19 years for four rapes

    RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — A spiritual healer in Brazil known as João de Deus, or John of God, received his first prison sentence on Thursday following a deluge of sex abuse allegations since late last year.

    A judge in Goias state issued a sentence of 19 years and four months for four rapes of different women, according to a statement from the court. Lawyers for the 77-year-old João de Deus said in a statement that they will appeal the decision.

    João Teixeira de Faria drew people from all over the world to his small city two hours west of capital, Brasilia, with promises he could treat everything from depression to cancer, and attended to as many as 10,000 patients per week. Hundreds of women, including his daughter, alleged he regularly engaged in abuse ranging from groping to rape.

    Even Oprah Winfrey visited João de Deus in 2012 to interview him for her talk show, and called him “inspiring." After the accusations surfaced, Winfrey issued a statement saying she sympathized with the alleged victims and hoped they receive justice.

    João de Deus is facing additional cases related to 10 sex crimes, according to the court's statement.

    Link: https://news.yahoo.com/brazil-spirit...qAy8N9jFUbcP8M
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    Related to topic of thread...


    Brazilian Faith Healer Touted by Oprah Sentenced to Additional 99 Years for Multiple Rapes





    João Teixeira de Faria, a self-proclaimed faith healer from Brazil, has been handed a 99-year prison sentence for multiple sexual crimes, that country’s Agencia Brasil reported Monday.

    Known as “João de Deus” or “John of God,” Faria gained international recognition for his alleged healing abilities and attracted a following that included media personality Oprah Winfrey.

    ...

    For decades, Faria operated from his modest town in Goiás, Brazil, drawing people from all walks of life to seek his assistance.

    ...

    However, the tide turned in December 2018 when a colossal scandal unraveled: More than 300 women came forward to say Faria had sexually abused them after they sought his spiritual guidance, CNN reported at the time.

    One year later, he was sentenced to 19 years in prison for raping four different women.

    ...

    The 99-year sentence handed down Monday involved eight victims whom he abused between 2010 and 2018, according to Agencia Brasil.

    ...

    Agencia Brasil quoted Faria’s attorney as saying he intends to appeal the decision.

    ...

    If the scale of his sexual crimes wasn’t disturbing enough, an activist who helped to bring him to justice also accused him of running a “sex slave farm” for a baby trafficking operation.

    Sabrina Bittencourt said young girls were held captive and raped to produce babies, who were subsequently sold to childless couples worldwide, the U.K.’s Daily Mail reported in February 2019.

    She said the girls were murdered after 10 years in the operation.

    Just days after Bittencourt made these allegations, she died at age 38, according to the Daily Mail. The report said she took her own life.

    Two months later, however, the Columbia Journalism Review published a report about investigative journalists questioning the account of Bittencourt’s suicide and suggesting she might still be alive.



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