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    " The US are reviewing the possibility of deploying ‘strategic’ military assets in South Korea in order to put pressure on Pyongyang, South Korean officials said Monday.

    "South Korea and the US are flexibly reviewing the timing of the deployment of US strategic assets with close tabs kept on the crisis situation on the Korean Peninsula," said Defense Ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok, as quoted by local Yonhap news agency on Monday. He did not identify the assets that Washington is ready to deploy.

    Later on Monday, Yonhap cited Korean military sources as saying the US is considering to dispatch B-52 or a B-2 Spirit stealth bomber and a nuclear-powered submarine currently stationed at Japan’s Yokosuka naval base." link

    whoever is messing with China knows they could easily set off a false flag attack which would trigger a war in Korea...

    Korea was moving towards a one state peaceful solution...


    the warmongers are doing their best to keep it from happening...


    "The report in The Diplomat, an Asia-Pacific current affairs magazine, quoted US army Brigadier General Neil Tolley, commander for United States Forces Korea, as saying at a conference last week that the US and South Korea sent commandos for reconnaissance missions.

    The Pentagon has dismissed the report, saying the general’s words were taken out of context.

    "My understanding is that the general's comments were contorted, distorted, misreported, and that there is in no way any substance to the assertion. Again, it was misreported that there are US boots on the ground in North Korea. That is simply incorrect," spokesman George Little said.

    However the bell has already been rung and could worsen already strained US-North Korean relations.

    Eric Sirotkin from the National Campaign to End the Korean War claims that the US has always been using the threat of a rogue North Korea to serve its ends.

    “We tend to make out the threat of a very violent and fearful situation in North Korea to serve other ends, to serve a large military base pointing to China on Jeju Island, to serve maintaining so many troops occupying South Korea. There are a lot of reasons we would like to maintain that edge there,” he says..." link



    "“Our assessment is that they have the ability to put a nuclear weapon on a KN-08 [ballistic missile] and shoot it at the homeland. We assess that it’s operational today, and so we practice to go against it,” Admiral William Gortney, the head of NORAD and the US Northern Command, told reporters Tuesday, citing intelligence assessments.

    According to Gortney, despite no clear evidence the missile has been tested, such assessment was a “prudent decision” due to the re-locatable nature of the truck-like system it is based on, which “makes it very difficult for us to be able to counter it.”

    READ MORE: N. Korea prepared to use nukes ‘any time’ it feels threated by US – DPRK Ambassador to UK

    “We’re very concerned about the mobile nature of the KN-08. We lose our ability to get the indication that something might occur and of course the unpredictable nature of the regime that’s there,” Gortney said, adding that NORAD is nevertheless “confident we’ll be able to knock it down,” should it ever be launched at the US.

    Meanwhile, a new report compiled by Johns Hopkins University’s US-Korea Institute has stressed that North Korea’s neighbors are the ones facing the biggest threat from its arsenal, while Pyongyang’s capability to strike the US remains questionable. " link


    we saw a nuke just used in China, what if one hits S Korea industrial complex, blamed on North Korea?

    Fasten your seat belts we have morons still in control who want WW III

    Iran is out, now attention is immediately moved to Korea...
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    the good news is North and South Korea are already working on healing the rift...

    "N. Korea has admitted it “regrets” S. Korean soldiers' injuries in landmine blasts that fueled the border conflict, as S. Korea has promised to halt its broadcasts into the north, Yonhap reported. The countries have also agreed to promote reunions of separated families.

    North Korea has also reportedly pledged to end a “semi-state of war,” while South Korea will stop its border broadcasts at noon Tuesday if no abnormal situations occur in the near future.

    Koreas have also reportedly agreed to hold new talks in Seoul or Pyongyang as soon as possible. They are also going to hold Red Cross talks in early September dedicated to the issue of reuniting families that were separated by the conflict that occurred over half a century ago.

    On Saturday, the two Koreas' envoys began talks on the border crisis following tensions that saw an exchange of fire, a land mine explosion in the demilitarized border zone and S. Korea’s “propaganda broadcasts.”

    The negotiations were held in the border village of Panmunjom, the place where the 1950-53 Korean War ceasefire agreement was signed.

    The second round of the talks was marred by South Korean accusations that the North had tried to influence the peace process by military means. It had reportedly doubled its artillery units at the border, as well as deployed about 50 submarines and around 20 amphibious landing craft with special forces some 60 kilometers north of the Yellow Sea boundary." link


    the false flag attack, must be stopped...

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    jeff smith at veterans today has finally released his analysis:

    Quote Former IAEA investigator, nuclear physicist and VT editor, Jeff Smith fills in the blanks
    Quote Confirmation – Tianjin was nuked
    August 25, 2015
    This was no chemical fire, this was China's 9-11
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08...jin-was-nuked/

    incredibly well documented. the kind of work that only vt is providing atm.

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    Quote Posted by idiit (here)
    jeff smith at veterans today has finally released his analysis:

    Quote Former IAEA investigator, nuclear physicist and VT editor, Jeff Smith fills in the blanks
    Quote Confirmation – Tianjin was nuked
    August 25, 2015
    This was no chemical fire, this was China's 9-11
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08...jin-was-nuked/

    incredibly well documented. the kind of work that only vt is providing atm.
    I tend to agree with VT without reading all the detailed analysis. But if this is true, a worrying question pops out: Why so many posts appeared early in this thread argued that it was probably a conventional explosion?

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    Quote Posted by syrwong (here)
    I tend to agree with VT without reading all the detailed analysis. But if this is true, a worrying question pops out: Why so many posts appeared early in this thread argued that it was probably a conventional explosion?
    I see perhaps just two posters who were, in my estimation, trying to persuade us that it was conventional, and a few more posters, again in my estimation, honestly puzzling over the initial conflicting and incomplete evidence and reports.

    This Tianjin explosion may well be, again in my estimation, one of, if not the premier, event marking yet another shift in world affairs, as was 9/11, some 14 years ago. In this case, the close connections of the Tianjin explosion in the major Chinese port city nearest their national capital (just as New York was the major financial city nearest the US national capital city)
    • with Chinese trade,
    • with Chinese financial and economic activity handled by the nearby supercomputer,
    • with the immediately preceding commencement of currency revaluations, and
    • with the immediately following round one of a financial collapse in the world stock markets
    are not simply accidental correlations.

    Such events are like the flash bang explosions that announce the start of a commando raid. Such events do not, in and of themselves, do much damage, but they freeze some who weren't expecting it, commit compromised "leaders" to certain actions with another layer of lies and coverups, opportunistically permit a bit of "useful" theft or destruction, distract the onlookers, and mark the presence of unseen forces capable of surprising actions.

    As with 9/11, the round of events that this "flash bang" explosion marks the start of will take years to unfold, with effects far beyond the port city where it occurred.

    After 9/11, we saw the ramping up of tyrannical control of the people by their central governments in Western nations, and an overlapping series of devastating conventional, terrorist and guerrilla wars, especially in the Middle East, North Africa and Southern Asia. The world's economic, monetary and financial systems bifurcated, into
    1. a Wall Street, Big Bank, Federal Reserve, European Central Bank, etc controlled exponentially growing pile of debt, derivatives and deceit that is increasingly divorced from
    2. a dislocated, dysfunctional, indebted and disillusioned humanity.
    "Bifurcated" -- Split into two.

    The myth of the last few years that the quantitative easing of Western Banks since the financial crisis of 2008 is hyper-inflationary Zimbabwe style money printing is one of the several confusing, misleading, overlapping and conflicting cover stories for what has been happening, and which we would do well to better understand, if we are now to understand what is about to happen next, of which this Tianjin explosion may well announce the start.

    Increasingly over the last century, and almost exclusively over the last half century, money has been lent into existence, traded for promises of future repayments, returns, or repossessions. The events of the last 14 years had to "kick off" in the financial district in New York City; that was the symbolic center of this system, and in the last 14 years we have observed the essentially complete separation of that system from the world that the rest of us live in. We now have a world of people, businesses, governments and other institutions that is deeply dependent on a system of world trade, economic activity and continued lending just to make payments on existing debt, lest they suffer the consequences of foreclosure, confiscation, austerity, and other unexpected, undesired, forms of impoverishment and enslavement.

    This web of economic activity centers around China, which is the world's number one importer of raw materials from resource rich nations and the world's number one exporter of manufactured goods to the "wealthier" nations, thanks to having relocated massive portions of its population from rural China to its rapidly constructed manufacturing cities.

    The lending has dried up, except for some shell games that the Banksters play between themselves, to keep up pretenses. China's imports of raw materials are collapsing; they are buying less, and paying less for it. Resource rich nations are now facing bankruptcy, en mass. Oil, copper, whatever prices and trade volumes are reaching record lows. China's exports are also collapsing. World shipping activity and rates are reaching record lows. The continued income flow required to service existing debt is no longer there. Existing debt must fail, world-wide, in amounts greater than ever seen in recorded history.

    The Tianjin explosion is quite possibly the numero uno "flash bang grenade" announcing the commencement of the next phase of this creative destruction.
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    Also interesting to see how many of the original videos posted on this thread are no longer available - wiping the evidence already, just like JFK & 9-11!

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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Resource rich nations are now facing bankruptcy, en mass. Oil, copper, whatever prices and trade volumes are reaching record lows.
    For example, from Baltic Dry Index slips below 1000 points:
    Baltic Dry Index (BDI) slips below 1000 points. [The BDI] tracks transport costs on international trade routes for dry bulk commodities such as coal and iron ore. ... The index is now 91.6% down from its all-time high of 11,793 points reached on 20 May 2008.
    ...
    The Bloomberg Commodity Index (BCI) hit a 16-year low on Monday, declining 17.7% year to date. The Thomson Reuters CRB Commodity Index is down 16.8% year, hovering around a decade’s lows.

    Shipping companies in India include Shipping Corp. of India Ltd, Great Eastern Shipping Co. Ltd, Mercator Ltd, Varun Shipping Co Ltd and Chowgule Steamships Ltd.

    “The oversupply in the dry bulk segment, along with weaker demand conditions particularly in China, kept freight rates low throughout financial year 2015.

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    "the advice to the Obama regime by one of their top economic counselors, Paul Krugman, that either a World War, or war with aliens, is needed to fix their economy, one can readily see where this is all going to end up…much sooner than later.



    It is one thing when you hear of Countries entering BRICs, but what happens when Major Banks in the Federal Reserve start stepping across? Sorcha report to follow

    "A curious Ministry of Finance (MoF) report circulating in the Kremlin today says that the Central Bank of Russia (CBR) has “accepted for protection” 3 million ounces of gold worth over $3.5 billon from US banking and financial services giant Citigroup along with a further nearly $100 billion in cash.

    According to this report, 1.4 million ounces of this now protected gold in the vaults of the CBR were shipped directly from Venezuela after this past April’s complex agreement between that South American nation and Citigroup, with the remaining 1.6 million ounces coming from various countries this banking and financial service giant has cut ties with in the past year and a half.

    Of the 11 nations, including Japan, that Citigroup has cut ties with, this report explains, even in the face of Western sanctions Citigroup has refused to sever its Federation relationship with its chief financial officer, John Gerspach, simply telling the Obama regime “We are not leaving Russia”... "

    "Of the $100 billion in cash “accepted for protection” by the CBR from Citigroup, this report continues, all of it was airlifted to Moscow from Cairo this past week ahead of today’s Central Bank of Egypt ruling approving the sale of this US banking giants assets in that country to the Commercial International Bank (CIB) which they had announced this past June.

    As to why Citigroup had a staggering $100 billion in cash secreted away in their Egyptian banks this report doesn’t say, but the MoF does note that the gold and monies “accepted for protection” by the CBR from Citigroup now exist under Federation laws and are not allowed to be claimed by any foreign entity, including the United States. "

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    Quote It's Official: China Confirms It Has Begun Liquidating Treasuries, Warns Washington
    Tyler Durden's pictureSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 08/27/2015 07:27 -040
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...rns-washington

    the way the "debt as money" game is supposed to work is that municipalities, states, nations sell bonds (debt with interest payments) to pay for their "stuff". if no one buys their bonds (loans them the money) they don't have the cash to support their projects. this is when nations are forced in the short term to counterfeit their own currency Zimbabwe style. soon thereafter no one accepts their "legal tender".

    whatever happened to paying for stuff with unencumbered real assets/real money instead of debt?

    jim willie explains over and over how the over/hyper-inflated debt bubble most nations,states,municipalities find themselves in atm is now supported by so many trillion$ in derivatives that we can't even imagine the real meaning of how big these derivatives are; many times global gdp.

    the derivatives are likened to pylons supporting infrastructure. any movement at all in the global financial markets be it forex (currencies), commodities, stocks, bond yields, etc.... cannot be withstood. the infrastructure is so fragile, so delicate that it can't take movement of any kind.

    Houston, we have major movement.

    this is now a financial war.

    china wants the ponzy destroyed. they have the gold ( as well as Russia) to start a new financial system. the physical metal backed exchange mechanisms are in place.
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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    This Tianjin explosion may well be, again in my estimation, one of, if not the premier, event marking yet another shift in world affairs, as was 9/11, some 14 years ago.
    ...

    The Tianjin explosion is quite possibly the numero uno "flash bang grenade" announcing the commencement of the next phase of this creative destruction.
    I suggest connecting the dots, between what I wrote yesterday in the above post, and what I just wrote on another thread, in Gerald Celente has put a date on the upcoming stock market crash. When? -- Post #104.

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    jim willie just released his latest interview. he goes straight into the Tianjin explosion. the port is very strategic. the computer located 2 kilometers from the blasts site (looks like a mini nuke to him too) is the computer china relies on for space technologies, financial stuff for the china markets, military applications and more.

    jim willie says the Tianjin explosions tie into the ongoing financial war.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7U3K34spuQ

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    RE: Whether or not the explosion(s) were nuclear or conventional:

    Seems to me that most people are still stuck in the pre-80s or so when it comes to their knowledge of nuclear weapons. But then that's understandable since ongoing military research in nuclear weapons technology is mostly classified.

    How about Antimatter? Still think it either doesn't exist or is far too expensive to produce? Well think again. Other than all the stuff you read on the internet, what do you think CERN is being used for? In July 1986, antimatter was captured in an electromagnetic trap for the first time in history, and A LOT of Research and Development can be accomplished in 30 years!

    There are two types of Antimatter weapons, the Antimatter Triggered Hydrogen Bomb and the Positron Bomb.

    With the Antimatter Triggered Hydrogen Bomb, the three to four kilograms of plutonium necessary for the ignition are replaced by one microgram of antihydrogen. In this configuration the electromagnetic pulse effect and the radioactive fall-out are substantially lower than that of a conventional A- or H-bomb of the same yield.

    With a Positron Bomb, where Antimatter is used not just as a trigger but as the explosive itself, no radioactive contaminants are ejected.

    So do we have 'em? Reading the following pages will help you to come to your own more-informed conclusion (and keep me off the hook).

    Antimatter Weapons - 22 AUG 2005

    Air Force Pursuing Antimatter Weapons / Program Was Touted Publicly, Then Came Official Gag Order - 04 OCT 2004

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    I always find the messages from Andromeda fascinating. The explanation of the TianJin explosion as a strike by space weapon is in line with some views in this thread, but not borrowing from them.

    Mythi, the explosions that there were in China and elsewhere while you were away must have been accompanied
    by other units of your fleet, can you say something about it? Why they showed an explosion occurred in July 16 as
    the explosion occurred in 22/08?
    - Well, your elites do not stop being creative. Like any element considered weapons are automatically barred from
    being brought to your orbit, they installed units that literally loose small artificial meteors with sodium metal
    alloys encapsulated in titanium to cause the surgical destruction of targets. This type of apparatus does not fit the
    weapons-related mass destruction, so nothing effective can be done about it. This type of apparatus and can be
    possibly used to cause false "natural events", such as blow up large amounts of explosives placed in strategic
    locations, causing tidal waves, isolated areas, among other possibilities. Neither the regional governments don't
    want to show what really happened there... the real strike may show something coming from above like a
    "meteor". It's all part of the same game. They know that time is short for soon having to take the underground
    shelters built for comfortable survival because it still maintains the hope of being "all that's left" and thus be
    accepted as the continuation of this colony. But be assured that it will not happen, their place certainly will not be
    further on this colony of level 1.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOfkgXuzRMY
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    Quote Posted by Harley (here)
    How about Antimatter? Still think it either doesn't exist or is far too expensive to produce? Well think again. Other than all the stuff you read on the internet, what do you think CERN is being used for? In July 1986, antimatter was captured in an electromagnetic trap for the first time in history, and A LOT of Research and Development can be accomplished in 30 years!

    There are two types of Antimatter weapons, the Antimatter Triggered Hydrogen Bomb and the Positron Bomb.
    An important reminder - thanks, Harley (and stay off that hook ).

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    Quote Posted by Harley (here)
    RE: Whether or not the explosion(s) were nuclear or conventional:

    Seems to me that most people are still stuck in the pre-80s or so when it comes to their knowledge of nuclear weapons. But then that's understandable since ongoing military research in nuclear weapons technology is mostly classified.

    How about Antimatter? Still think it either doesn't exist or is far too expensive to produce? Well think again. Other than all the stuff you read on the internet, what do you think CERN is being used for? In July 1986, antimatter was captured in an electromagnetic trap for the first time in history, and A LOT of Research and Development can be accomplished in 30 years!

    There are two types of Antimatter weapons, the Antimatter Triggered Hydrogen Bomb and the Positron Bomb.

    With the Antimatter Triggered Hydrogen Bomb, the three to four kilograms of plutonium necessary for the ignition are replaced by one microgram of antihydrogen. In this configuration the electromagnetic pulse effect and the radioactive fall-out are substantially lower than that of a conventional A- or H-bomb of the same yield.

    With a Positron Bomb, where Antimatter is used not just as a trigger but as the explosive itself, no radioactive contaminants are ejected.

    So do we have 'em? Reading the following pages will help you to come to your own more-informed conclusion (and keep me off the hook).

    Antimatter Weapons - 22 AUG 2005

    Air Force Pursuing Antimatter Weapons / Program Was Touted Publicly, Then Came Official Gag Order - 04 OCT 2004
    We have a thread here on anti matter burst created by chemtrails clouds. From the bottom they are known as punch holes, but those are created by a release of anti-matter.

    This was at a time they were using Thorium in the mixture.

    Massive fish and bird deaths were reported at the time.

    When I get back to my computer I will try and locate the thread.

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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    We have a thread here on anti matter burst created by chemtrails clouds. From the bottom they are known as punch holes, but those are created by a release of anti-matter.

    This was at a time they were using Thorium in the mixture.

    Massive fish and bird deaths were reported at the time.

    When I get back to my computer I will try and locate the thread.
    Perhaps one of these:

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    Default Re: Massive explosions in Tianjin and Shandong, China

    I'll re-post my post from page 3 of this thread as the conversation has gone towards a topic that I had noted.

    Quote For information purposes only. I have applied bold text to pertinent points:


    FAQ:
    Q: In a nutshell what is a Fourth Generation Nuclear Weapon (FGNW)?
    A: It is a nuclear fusion weapon that doesn't use a fission trigger. The most feasible method to trigger fusion in a FGNW is to use microscopic amounts of anti-matter.

    Q: What advantages do FGNWs have over conventional nukes?
    A: They are "clean" (radioactive fallout negligible, about on par with conventional depleted uranium weapons that are already in use), they are very small (potentially can fit in your pocket), and fill in the "yield gap" between the most powerful conventional weapons and the lowest yield conventional nukes.

    Q: Will FGNWs really be more politically acceptable to use in actual combat?
    A: Who knows? Only time can tell for certain, but their "radioactive cleanness" is a compelling argument in favour for it.

    Q: What would be the TNT equivalent of a FGNW be?
    A: A 3 gram pellet of fusion fuel would release around 302 gigajoules of energy (about 72 tons of TNT), so around that.

    Q: Wouldn't FGNWs be attractive for nuclear terrorism?
    A: No, it's easier to build conventional nuclear weapons. FGNWs require extremely large particle accelerators to manufacture the antimatter necessary for the FGNW. A terrorist who wants a suitcase nuke is better off with something like the M-388 Davy Crockett.


    A theatre, a 'live' test, is always desirable by The Psychopaths(TM) for their weapons of coercion.



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    Default Re: Massive explosions in Tianjin and Shandong, China

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    We have a thread here on anti matter burst created by chemtrails clouds. From the bottom they are known as punch holes, but those are created by a release of anti-matter.

    This was at a time they were using Thorium in the mixture.

    Massive fish and bird deaths were reported at the time.

    When I get back to my computer I will try and locate the thread.
    Perhaps one of these:
    found it, birds falling from the sky thread...

    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    I'm not sure if you saw this...

    Quote Antimatter caught streaming from thunderstorms on Earth


    Quote A space telescope has accidentally spotted thunderstorms on Earth producing beams of antimatter.

    Such storms have long been known to give rise to fleeting sparks of light called terrestrial gamma-ray flashes.

    But results from the Fermi telescope show they also give out streams of electrons and their antimatter counterparts, positrons.

    The surprise result was presented by researchers at the American Astronomical Society meeting in the US.

    It deepens a mystery about terrestrial gamma-ray flashes, or TGFs - sparks of light that are estimated to occur 500 times a day in thunderstorms on Earth. They are a complex interplay of light and matter whose origin is poorly understood.

    Thunderstorms are known to create tremendously high electric fields - evidenced by lightning strikes.

    Electrons in storm regions are accelerated by the fields, reaching speeds near that of light and emitting high-energy light rays - gamma rays - as they are deflected by atoms and molecules they encounter.

    These flashes are intense - for a thousandth of a second, they can produce as many charged particles from one flash as are passing through the entire Earth's atmosphere from all other processes.

    story link
    are they using Thorium to produce clouds?

    The release produced a Punch hole in the cloud? What if you were a bird flying below this energy release?

    what happens when the release is downward? or isn't that possible?

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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    found it, birds falling from the sky thread...
    Ah - this one: Birds falling from the Sky -- Post #197

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    Default Re: Massive explosions in Tianjin and Shandong, China

    that was an article from 1/11/11 right when the Charles roller coaster was beginning and we were discussing a group of elites that wanted to kill off 6 and a half billion of us...

    couldn't help think controlling that process as a weapon would have made it pretty easy...

    crushed bones in birds to jelly...

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