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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    How about airplanes?? They are huge polluters as well, and our governments completely ignore them.

    A have a friend in São Paulo, who lives about 3Km from the international airport. He has to clean his apartment literally everyday, to get rid of the disgusting black soot...

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

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    I have seen the watertorch type welders in commercial production but had no idea about the larger HHO generators being commercially available. This in and of itself is fantatstic in my mind because it means the tech is operating on a commercial basis in the real world. This then makes the continuing denial of the science behind concepts like the transmutation of radioactive waste material that much more difficult.

    What I still can't get my head round is that most large power plants are still based on the process of boiling a really really big pot of water to make steam to drive turbines. As such the child in me says why not replace say the coal or nuclear fired heating element with one of these instead. (Assuming you have an adequate supply of water to fuel it)

    Surely there must be technical reasons other than the fact that the potential display of COP(coefficient of production) > 1 would be too blatant...
    You need a seed material as the HHO gas (brown's gas) brings everything it comes into contact with, to the point of electrical conductivity that is a match for the atomic electro-potential of energetic release that is in a hydrogen atom.

    Quantum to quantum discrete atomic coupling and dimensional interface. Also known as chemistry, in this world.

    as the hydrogen potential dominates as it is the highest or closest to aetheric frequential/angular/polar perfection, the first element....thus... every element deals with this energetic additive/interaction differently, but the result is invariably a form of perfected connection or action completed.

    Total burn, total action, no effluent, perfect burn.
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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Thank you for bumping this thread, which I missed the first time around. And thanks to Carmody for the OP.

    The subject indeed represents possibly an important intermediary step on the way to free energy.

    Given the tiny sum of money involved, this has to be deliberate at some level. A Ben Fulford type scenario may not be necessary here in financial terms, but it strikes me as being the most plausible (yes!) way of bringing about the requisite circumstances for curing this problem and many other similar problems.


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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    I want to make a point here but, i do not wish to derail this thread off topic by another controversy...

    It should be noted that part of the problem or better stated, a political issue that serves to block these types of solutions from being acted upon in full scale has been the politicizing of the global warming debate.

    People have been convinced that global warming isn't a man made issue; thus there is no need to change the status quo concerning air emissions.

    I think it's beyond arrogance to think that all the stuff we pump into our air, land and water doesn't have an impact on our environment!

    Before we can implement any solution; first we have to admit we have a problem!
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    Quote Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
    I want to make a point here but, i do not wish to derail this thread off topic by another controversy...

    I should be noted that part of the problem or better stated, a political issue that serves to block these types of solutions from being acted upon in full scale has been the politicizing of the global warming debate.

    People have been convinced that global warming isn't a man made issue; thus there is no need to change the status quo concerning air emissions.

    I think it's beyond arrogance to think that all the stuff we pump into our air, land and water doesn't have an impact on our environment!

    Before we can implement any solution; first we have to admit we have a problem!
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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    This is one of the subjects that I 've been searching on the net recently.


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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Quote Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
    I want to make a point here but, i do not wish to derail this thread off topic by another controversy...

    I should be noted that part of the problem or better stated, a political issue that serves to block these types of solutions from being acted upon in full scale has been the politicizing of the global warming debate.

    People have been convinced that global warming isn't a man made issue; thus there is no need to change the status quo concerning air emissions.

    I think it's beyond arrogance to think that all the stuff we pump into our air, land and water doesn't have an impact on our environment!

    Before we can implement any solution; first we have to admit we have a problem!
    We do indeed have a problem, but it is not carbon emissions as presented. Carbon emissions correlate best with an 800 year time lapse, in other words they are not a realtime gauge. Also, carbon taxes are designed to keep the polluters in business.


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    Quote Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
    I want to make a point here but, i do not wish to derail this thread off topic by another controversy...

    I should be noted that part of the problem or better stated, a political issue that serves to block these types of solutions from being acted upon in full scale has been the politicizing of the global warming debate.

    People have been convinced that global warming isn't a man made issue; thus there is no need to change the status quo concerning air emissions.

    I think it's beyond arrogance to think that all the stuff we pump into our air, land and water doesn't have an impact on our environment!

    Before we can implement any solution; first we have to admit we have a problem!
    We do indeed have a problem, but it is not carbon emissions as presented. Carbon emissions correlate best with an 800 year time lapse, in other words they are not a realtime gauge. Also, carbon taxes are designed to keep the polluters in business.
    Like i said; political issues = carbon taxes.

    What about acid rain, mercury and other heavy metals in fish? All from exhaust emissions.

    What about the particulate matter in the air?

    Smaller than dirt pollution particulates as rain drop nuclei makes clouds more reflective and moisture dense; you have clouds that can carry and dump much more rain water which means flooding.

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    13th warrior, rather than go through all the individual problems we have, we need to get rid of this politico-financial clique who are causing them all.

    That is why I say Ben Fulford's approach is the most realistic we are ever likely to get to make this happen. So it appears entirely unrealistic? Then we need to overcome the apparent drawbacks and focus on the desired outcome. Surely this is what Avalon is all about.

    For example: this lawsuit taken to a corrupt US court that would probably like to throw it out. Think about it: there are only a handful of individuals here standing between us and the desired outcome. Let's focus our energies on getting them to do the right thing, instead of dissing Fulford.

    There was another thread the other day talking about the power of Wiccan ritual. I mentioned the example of Hitler's inexplicable non-invasion of Britain after Dunkirk. If such things can be done, well then, let those who are capable - and we all are to some extent - just do it!



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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Thanks for bringing this one back Carmody! Believe me, if I had the money...

    I have noticed several problems with getting this to become commonly accepted (as I'm sure you already know), aside from the energy giants that control fossil fuels and that godzilla Wade Frazier talks about. Most people, if they believe its true, simply want to buy one, not make it let alone learn about the technology to successfully build one. Another problem I see is with those that are successful with a prototype still can't get away from the scarcity based mind set in that they try to set up a corporation, or try to patent a design, basically lock up "their" idea. That will never make any progress IMHO. We need to break out of the scarcity based matrix we call reality.

    I personally think what this needs is a network of people, a large, serious network of "builders" that would be willing to assemble something (something useful & not just a toy) based on standardized plans and then start handing them out. The ones receiving them can help by paying for materials only, no profit. Its sort of "open source" with that one exception. Is this unrealistic? Maybe. Is it worth a shot? Maybe! Pair this with focused intention of protection and it could stand a chance. Could we see enough of these people playing with BG to stand together, standardize and bring it all forward? I haven't seen it yet but that could change!

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    13th warrior, rather than go through all the individual problems we have, we need to get rid of this politico-financial clique who are causing them all.

    That is why I say Ben Fulford's approach is the most realistic we are ever likely to get to make this happen. So it appears entirely unrealistic? Then we need to overcome the apparent drawbacks and focus on the desired outcome. Surely this is what Avalon is all about.

    For example: this lawsuit taken to a corrupt US court that would probably like to throw it out. Think about it: there are only a handful of individuals here standing between us and the desired outcome. Let's focus our energies on getting them to do the right thing, instead of dissing Fulford.

    There was another thread the other day talking about the power of Wiccan ritual. I mentioned the example of Hitler's inexplicable non-invasion of Britain after Dunkirk. If such things can be done, well then, let those who are capable - and we all are to some extent - just do it!

    Hitler's non-invasion of Dunkirk appeared to be his attempt to convey to the British that he did not want to be at war with them. It was behind the scenes financiers and collaborators like Churchill and Roosevelt with the budding MIC that made WWll the conflagration it became. This does not make Hitler a good guy. Most people in charge of Western democracies are just pieces on a chess board being played by others (financial families) to maximize profits and misery.Wiccans were rowing with the current on that one. I am all for using magical thought and gatherings to create positive influence and outcomes for the world. It beats watching TV and reading/writing fear porn.

    Brown's Gas and how to make its' applications well known. How to get the concept on the lips of the masses.

    Global warming/climate change:
    Pollution and poisoning the earth, water and the air must stop. The whole global warming or cooling is a distraction and energy waster. Pollution bad. The reason why........because pollution is bad. Water is for drinking not poisoning. Shorelines are not meant to be littered with syringes and tampon applicators. Air that causes repiratory diseases is unacceptable. Does anyone see a need to bring climate change into this conversation? It is nothing but something to fight over. Something to divide us. Something to piss us off and be unable to think clearly.
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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    In Holland there is already a car running on Brown's Gas:


    (No english subs, dutch spoken)

    Measurements and experiments are being conducted. Within a couple of months the first kits can be build. The only thing in the way is law and regulations. But whatever the outcome of the authorities, this technology will be made available to the public.

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Modwiz, while I agree there are always multiple strands to these things, invading England was an interesting option that was suddenly removed, although it was well planned - Operation Seelöwe (Sealion). I'll try and dig up a quote.


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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    I don't think I went off topic. As i stated on Bill's thread, there are many people doing good work in all of these ecological areas, but they may not be noticed as doing so until it suddenly becomes the done thing, i.e when certain obstacles have been removed once and for all.


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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    You know David Wilcock was going on a radioshow with a guy who had invented an engine running on water...the very day before the show, "someone" broke into his office and wiped out every trace of it and the inventor himself "died" from something i don't recall just now..."coincidence??" It's all in one of Davids blogs, don't have the time to check it out justnow. It's the same story over and over....

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    ...Yet I'm sure it will achieve less notice than a cryptology thread on a dead naked (de-haired) sloth.
    Was the sloth blond or brunette? 3-toed or 2-toed?

    But seriously, I am interested and am reading your thread.

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    Quote Posted by transiten (here)
    You know David Wilcock was going on a radioshow with a guy who had invented an engine running on water...the very day before the show, "someone" broke into his office and wiped out every trace of it and the inventor himself "died" from something i don't recall just now..."coincidence??" It's all in one of Davids blogs, don't have the time to check it out justnow. It's the same story over and over....
    Carmody somewhere suggested that this is in the hands of many people.

    Why that has not translated into implementation I don't know (perhaps visiting too many avalon threads).

    Anyway ... the point being it is (apparently) too wide spread to suppress by the "usual means"???

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    It all comes down to the free energy dilemma expressed so succinctly by Brian O'Leary: "we don't want Dick Cheney running this show".

    We need free human energy before applying it to transport or anything else.


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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    You need a seed material as the HHO gas (brown's gas) brings everything it comes into contact with, to the point of electrical conductivity that is a match for the atomic electro-potential of energetic release that is in a hydrogen atom.

    Quantum to quantum discrete atomic coupling and dimensional interface. Also known as chemistry, in this world.

    as the hydrogen potential dominates as it is the highest or closest to aetheric frequential/angular/polar perfection, the first element....thus... every element deals with this energetic additive/interaction differently, but the result is invariably a form of perfected connection or action completed.

    Total burn, total action, no effluent, perfect burn.
    I'm under the pump at work at the moment and unfortunately I don't have time for the additional follow up research your posts inevitably lead me to do. Therefore at the risk of confirming yet again my status as, relatively speaking, a complete imbecile in these matters what you describe here instantly struck me as being in the realm of plasma physics.

    I accept that this may be potentially so far off base as to be out of the field but if not then would you describe the Pantone/Geet system as being a poor cousin of this type of process?

    Second question, does it matter what the seed material is because if not then surely what is presently going to landfill presents yet another useful application of such processing?

    Lastly, another indulgence if I may, a link to the a thread you started (and I seem to have lost amongst all the recent drama) about driving testing for psycopathy from a grass roots perspective. Out of a lot of what I have seen here to date, that one struck me as one of the sharpest suggestions for collective action that could bring about really useful change by a country mile...

    cheers

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