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    Default The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    http://www.greencarreports.com/blog/...-50-million-ca


    Here at GreenCarReports.com, we mostly write about, you know, cars. But occasionally something so appalling comes across our desk that we want other people to know.

    Today's candidate is an article from the British newspaper The Guardian. The headline decorously notes the health risks of the global shipping industry have been "understated". But once you dig into the data, the word understated hardly seems sufficient.

    The bottom line: One giant container ship pollutes the air as much as 50 million cars. Yes, that's 50 million. Which means that just 15 ships that size emit as much as today's entire global "car park" of roughly 750 million vehicles. Among the bad stuff: Sulfur, soot, and other particulate matter that embeds itself in human lungs to cause a variety of cardiopulmonary illnesses.

    Since the mid-1970s, developed countries have imposed increasingly strict regulations on auto emissions. In three decades, precise electronic engine controls, new high-pressure injectors, and sophisticated catalytic converters have cut emissions of nitrous oxides, carbon dioxides, and hydrocarbons by more than 98 percent. New regulations will further reduce these already minute limits.

    But ships today are where cars were in 1965: utterly uncontrolled, free to emit whatever they like. Just one of many statistics: A car driven 9,000 miles a year emits 3.5 ounces of sulfur oxides--while the engine in a large cargo ship produces 5,500 tons.

    And in the near term, very little is going to change. Why? Two reasons: Bunker fuel, and jurisdiction.



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    This problem can be eliminated to ZERO, and I do mean ZERO pollutants, nearly overnight. ZERO. I'm not kidding in the slightest. ZERO pollutants.

    For probably quite a bit less than $60M. ie, less than $1M dollars spent on outfitting each ship. There are 57 ships of that size according to the wiki entry on such ships. and much more can easily be done to the thousands of other ships sailing the ocean waters..

    Very, very simply, the answer is...mixing the air intake of these giant engines with.....wait for it.....:


    BROWN'S GAS.

    It really is that simple and it can be done in less than about 3-6 months, for each ship.


    Except, you are not allowed to have or use this technology in any large or powerful public way.

    It's too close to being an over unity technology.

    It is a a gateway technology.

    it Illustrates many complex issues with the standard theories of physics that have yet to be answered and shows people the path to gaining energy independence.

    Thus, 2,850,000,000 extra cars (in the form of these 57 large container ships) are "on the roads" of the world.... all over a desire to not allow $60M dollars worth of well known and easy to implement hardware/technology.

    That's 2.85 BILLION cars would be effectively taken off the roads, pollution wise, for ...less than $60 million US dollars.


    I personally know this to be 100% true, this reduction of pollutants, to that level. The engines on these ships would also be come more fuel efficient to the tune of being about 15%-30% more efficient and longer lasting....even though their power is producing the brown's gas for the intake on these engines.

    I spent $7000 to buy a commercial grade Brown's gas generator in order to play with this technology. So I do know exactly what I'm talking about.

    This is how screwed up the world is-- at this time.

    Yes, it really is that bad.

    Yes, the world could knock out 2.85 billion "units" of individual vehicle pollution in less than 2 months, if they worked at it.

    China could implement browns gas production (for adding into the air intake mixture) at each coal fired plant....... and be almost entirely free of pollution in less than a year.

    The United states could be 100% energy independent with all the coal shale it has and use it in the extreme, until the cows come home....and be 100% pollution free..IF they used brown's gas on the air intakes of all the coal fired electricity production plants in the US. We're talking about all energy production expanding at a usage rate of maybe 10-20% per year, for the next 100 years and STILL be 100% pollution free in the production of that electricity. This could likely be implemented all across the US for less than $1B for the Brown's gas production hardware, if not 5-10x less money spent. These brown's gas production devices are excruciatingly simple to build, operate... and maintain.

    These things have been known for years.

    Do you see any action in these areas?

    NO.

    But you get hammered into a corner...don't you? Hhhmmm? So what do you think about that?

    Are you angry now? You should be.
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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    The other reason why the numbers are like that, is that in some states here, the law says that any care over 25 yrs old are not aloud on the road.
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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    The car amounts to a near zero in comparison to the target on the backs of those container ships.

    That it can be fixed for less than $60 million, and it is not....is appalling beyond belief.

    With a known and simple technology.

    My issue..... is that if you want to save the world from pollution, today, to be active and actually do something, something that is in full reality actually achievable.... this thread is likely THE most important thread you will see in this year or this decade.



    Yet I'm sure it will achieve less notice than a cryptology thread on a dead naked (de-haired) sloth.
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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    It's funny how the most important information concerning pollution from man made sources...and how to fix it nearly immediately........ can get lost like that.

    People talk about caring and paying attention.

    However, this thread does illustrate how many go for sensationalism over substance.

    I could change the title of the thread, but that does a disservice to what is within it. It's sad really. Real actual rubber on the ground... and it is totally missed, like someone run down in a stampede of ignorance.
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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Too much Data, not enough Drama, Carmody.
    People are looking for "feelies". Huxley was right on the money.

    There is giant amount of solutions out there. This is but one of them. Seems easy enough to implement, but then there is problem of Status Quo and Allowed Questions.
    There is no way of working within the system. Only sane way is mirror it's functions to more sane framework, working on fringe. But you already know that.
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    The thing about this one is that even jewelers use these devices for making perfect jewelery.

    There are well over 10,000 of these devices in use all the time (for jewelery use). Far more, I'd say....but I'm not exactly sure of the number of these torch type devices (specific versions) that are out there.

    The technology is far more widely available than you would think. It is used in the jewelery trade as it is the only thing that allows for perfect blending with no effluents of any kind, for glass and additives or any other work that a jeweler might do.
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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    It's funny how the most important information concerning pollution from man made sources...and how to fix it nearly immediately........ can get lost like that.

    People talk about caring and paying attention.

    However, this thread does illustrate how many go for sensationalism over substance.

    I could change the title of the thread, but that does a disservice to what is within it. It's sad really. Real actual rubber on the ground... and it is totally missed, like someone run down in a stampede of ignorance.
    Oh boy, it wouldn't be the first time. The world does not lack of brilliant solution at our reach. It is the opposite, it's full of solution. Its lack is in awareness. Don't loose your hope, keep repeating, because yes, repeating is indeed necessary I do it all the time, here included

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    I have found another good article on this topic, the author writes, quotes;

    "The pollution of just 16 Super Cargo ships equals that of all the cars in the world!"

    "There are now an estimated 100,000 ships on the seas, and the fleet is growing fast as goods are ferried in vast quantities from Asian industrial powerhouses to consumers in Europe and North America."

    End of the quotes.

    These super polluters transport, mainly, "cheap wares" coming from Asian countries to the Atlantic consumers countries. Products that, massively, will end up buried in the ground in less than a decade after their arrival.

    And one of the reason why the producing countries (Asia/Africa/Latin America) are producing in mass comes from the dictation of the World Bank and the International Monetary Found to pay back both their ETERNAL public and external debts by increasing their national growth. On external debt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_debt and on internal public debt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_debt

    Conclusion: We pollute to produce them (products), pollute to transport them, and pollute to bury them, while in their very short lifetime, were useless, fragile, and cumbersome. There is, once again, a direct link to our super ill consumerism addiction and the state of the planet. Humanity does not have a "number" problem (overpopulation), it is a problem of behavior.

    Here is the article: http://www.viewzone.com/sixteenships.html

    Edit: Personally, I've been repeating the same thing since 1994... And debts are to be nullified, the sooner the better.

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Quote Posted by Steven (here)
    Personally, I've been repeating the same thing since 1994... And debts are to be nullified, the sooner the better.
    Again we are exploring debt problem ... or rather the thing debt means : claims on real people lives and real, scarce resources.

    Both State Corporations (China, Russia) and Corporate States ( USA, EU .. ) have no vested interest in allowing for durable goods and efficient transport.

    Actually the more ineffective transport infrastructure is, the better for ones ruling them - as it would mean raising costs of operation and that would need even more debt would need to be issued to service it, further tightening grip on population under control.

    Making things throwaway by design mean user modifications are forbidden, so are "unauthorized" repairs. When something is broken, you are forced to buy new one, paying full price. The upgrade process is also carefully controlled: every new iteration is only a fraction better than the last one .. but you will buy it anyway.

    With efficient infrastructure-less transport there would be no need for various agencies controlling this area. There would be no bids for contractors. No workers unions. That is why ideas like heavy-lift airships are squashed - they damage status quo- the carefully woven web of interconnections that is making sure, there would be no "escape routes" - the more one is dependent on the system the better. No solution that will lessen the control system is acceptable.

    Every problem- political, social, enviromental- is a subject of waging perpetual war upon .. a war that cannot be win, but it consumes real life resources .. and again produces more debt. Ad infinium.

    So in very finite time we would have wars to secure scarce resources needed to produce and transport throwaway things .. while people will slide further and further into slavery. And very few people would ask: why on earth they are fighting over them.

    But again, it is all about control.
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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

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    ...But again, it is all about control.
    Exactly Luke, "Control and Manipulation" are the finality of most part of these debts.

    There is also a part of it that is called "Odious Debt", which is a kind of debt where the capital did not serve the people for the best of all, but rather serves against them through wars, black projects, oppressions, etc... A very large portion of the national debts of the world are "Odious Debts". Here a definition: http://www.jubileeusa.org/truth-abou...ious-debt.html and here a very short but "right to the point" article on "Odious Debt" ; http://georgewashington2.blogspot.co...-incurred.html

    Even the portion of the national debt that is not "Odious" is still "not ethical". When a nation has large deficit due to their poor management (waste), they do go to the "Reserve", which is private and borrow money to fill up their lack. But at what interest rates? On which condition? What is the term and who is the lander? How many times we have paid back the capital of any given debt? (Brazil had paid their initial capital over 13th times in 1999 and was still paying a growing debt!)

    And to pay these debts the banks ask us to produce and sell more (exportation/national growth) resulting in over 100,000 super cargo on the seas polluting to fill up our houses of "plastic garbage".

    The more I analyze this situation, since over 16 years, the more I am convinced the national debts (internal and external) are to be nullified once and for all. But it is not all. The whole system have to change to follow up, and it will.

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Agreed, but we're hijacking the thread about >>cost effective elimination of pollutants from transport<< here

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Quote Posted by Luke (here)
    Agreed, but we're hijacking the thread about >>cost effective elimination of pollutants from transport<< here
    Oh, Are we? Honestly, I don't think so. National Debts/production/consumption/pollution are quite tightly linked. And it kept the thread alive for a little longer

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Just me and the ex-moderators in this thread. Echo! echo! I can hear myself....

    the problem with brown's gas is it is the same as source field energy.

    It cancels radiation. COMPLETELY. like pyramids...and these new particles that have been found as being emitted by the sun. decay rates have changed when radioactive materials are put in pyramids, their decay rates speed up, or they decay faster. And the sun is apparently now emitting a 'particle' that is doing the same.

    it is, essentially a REJUVENATION wave.

    Read David Wilcock's new book called 'the source field investigations', for more details.

    The BAD GUYS are suppressing the wave/particle from the sun and the galaxy, with chemtrails and biological contamination.

    this means that radio carbon dating is probably..invalid.

    That brown's gas is actually working with the origins of all matter time and space. Which takes you back to the 'electric universe' model. And the question of lithium thread.

    This is why a simple and safe EXISTING and available everywhere technology that would take $60Million US to implement fully, to take 2.85 billion cars off the road...is not being used.

    They'd rather hammer you into the ground and use scarcity tactics on you.
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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    I add a flavor.

    5,000 thousands fuel-saving patents have been locked in U.S only over half century. In 1970s, Ford or GM perfected high-milage technologes - 100 mile per gallon was entry level. Honda makes a 50cc motorcycle that goes 74 km per liter, which is equal to 166 mile per gallon. Make it a trike or compact car with aerodynamics into, people will buy and use it. Instead Honda makes Gasoline-Electric hybrid model, fuel cell. These look promising but really subtle games they play for public stunts.

    How about they abolish all the war machines that have no emission or pollution guideline? A F-16 fighter jet burns a thousand gallons per flight. Military vehicles, tanks, diesel burning equipment. Great environmentalists, global warming alarmists simply avoid it.
    For free society!

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    I didn't realize. Will it help to keep this thread on the front page?

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    Quote Posted by Hughe (here)
    Honda makes a 50cc motorcycle that goes 74 km per liter, which is equal to 166 mile per gallon. .
    There are a lot of people wanting to achieve that fuel efficiency (or even higher) by simply putting a 49cc engine into a bicycle but in my area, that's illegal.

    I should add that in Canada it is legal to motorize your bicycle in Alberta.
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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    IMPORTANT TOPIC! Let's crank this baby up. This is an extension of Snakes in Suits and Archons.

    This is a real, science, you can touch it, subject. The first thin I would request of the OP is to give me/us explanation enough to be able to know what Brown's Gas is and to be able to define it after using it in a conversation with somebody who is hearing the term for the first time. Like a lot of readers here will be. I have heard of it, from Carmody, but still cannot use it in a sentence without embarrassing myself when asked. "Huh"?

    Time to give the crickets some company here. Brown's Gas has to become a meme. Meme creation is vitally important to creating awareness. African Gray parrots should be saying, "Brown's Gas, its time has come". or "Gimme a cracker and go tell your congresscritter to install a Brown's Gas device on every coal installation".

    So, help at least me, Carmody. We have a crew I am sure will be willing to create awareness around this subject.

    What is Brown's Gas?

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    Default Re: The equivalent of 2.85 billion fewer polluting cars on the road....for $60M

    This is a difficult and touchy subject. It will take some time to gather the information.

    In the meantime, here's some light reading.

    http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Brown%27s_Gas


    On radiation or radioactive materials:

    http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/node/456

    What can BG do to help?

    To answer that you need to understand that the only effective radioactive neutralization protocol I currently know of, that uses BG, is to mix the radioactive material with approximately equal quantities of iron and aluminum (by volume) and heat the whole mixture to liquid (using a BG flame). When the mixture is hot enough it will explode... not like a bomb, more like a firecracker.

    Iron and aluminum make thermite (research thermite to learn the optimum quantities to use), and the BG provides the special transmutation energy. BG exhibits transmutative characteristics in other applications too, like processing ore.

    Most materials are radioactive because the electrons have been stripped off the molecules; the nucleus then ejects particles of various kinds (radioactivity) to try to 'balance' the 'weight' (and transmute to a lighter, glasslike, material). Somehow, the molecules are able to use the special energy in the BG to complete this transmutation in seconds (instead of millennia), when the material is molten and given the shock of the thermite explosion.

    So it's impractical to use BG, as far as I know, on anything that you don't want to destroy. The BG 'explodes' the material and does the neutralization during the explosion. You need to affect the material on an atomic level to neutralize the radioactivity.

    Also it's impractical to use BG on any material that isn't concentrated radioactive. It takes electrical power to make the BG, plus quantities of iron and aluminum to make the explosive reaction.

    Thus, BG works well to neutralize CONCENTRATED nuclear waste, like spent fuel rods or decommissioned warheads, but practically useless at remediation of radioactive materials that have dispersed into the general environment.

    BG has been proven (Canada government certified tests) to be an extremely effective, practical and inexpensive method to neutralize the radioactivity of materials generally produced by nuclear powerplants. The neutralization can be done onsite, eliminating the need for transportation and storage of nuclear waste.

    There is an organization (PACE) that has been lobbying for the Canadian Government to use BG to neutralize radioactive waste... with zero results. It seems that the Nuclear Industry does NOT want it's waste neutralized. I think they see it as potentially useful to make small power sources (like nuclear batteries), bullets, etc.

    I have assembled a bunch of information, (including a video showing the testing being done at the Canadian research reactor at Chalk River Ontario), that documents what I've just told you. No need to buy it unless you want to be involved with using BG to neutralize concentrated radioactive materials.
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    OK. I do want to focus of BG for the basic anti pollution properties you stated at the beginning of this thread. Keeping it simple and utilitarian is a winning formula if there are to be any winners.
    You stated it can be produces, on site, where it is to be used by the very power source it will be treating? Do I have that part correct?

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    I have seen the watertorch type welders in commercial production but had no idea about the larger HHO generators being commercially available. This in and of itself is fantatstic in my mind because it means the tech is operating on a commercial basis in the real world. This then makes the continuing denial of the science behind concepts like the transmutation of radioactive waste material that much more difficult.

    What I still can't get my head round is that most large power plants are still based on the process of boiling a really really big pot of water to make steam to drive turbines. As such the child in me says why not replace say the coal or nuclear fired heating element with one of these instead. (Assuming you have an adequate supply of water to fuel it)

    Surely there must be technical reasons other than the fact that the potential display of COP(coefficient of production) > 1 would be too blatant...

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