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    Default The Expanding Earth, Expanding Consciousness Theory // Neal Adams - The Growing Earth

    I have heard of the theory , but do not know much about it , so here we go .
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    The Expanding Earth, Expanding Consciousness Theory

    By David Icke on 20th August 2015 Planetary change, What is Reality?

    The vid below Neal Adams - The Growing Earth ....Interviewed by Andrew Johnson , Avalon member.



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    Expanding EarthGregg Prescott, In5D Guest
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    Many metaphysicians and scientists believe that our universe is expanding, so
    based on the premise, ‘As above, so below’, is it within the realm of possibility that
    Earth is expanding as well? If so, then is it possible that as the universe and Earth
    expands, then so does our consciousness?

    The awakening of consciousness reflects the premise of “As on the inside, so on the
    outside”. Is there a correlation between these two premises or is it simply a
    coincidence?

    Neal Adams proposed an expanding earth theory in which the continents on this
    planet have moved due to the increasing size of the Earth.



    Much of our recoded history has been tailored to keep us subservient and controlled
    while deterring us from questioning the origins of mankind and traditional science
    practices that are taught as “fact” in our educational systems.

    rhaeehe



    Several questions that abound from the expanding earth theory would include:
    Where did all of the water come from?

    If the Earth is expanding, then are our days getting longer?

    Many people have pondered why there are exactly 365.25 days in a year. According
    to Michael Tsarion’s research, the Earth originally had 360 days in a year, which
    would correlate to a circle containing 360 degrees.

    When the watery planet of Tiamat crashed into the Earth, it not only slowed down
    the Earth’s rotation to create 365.25 days in a year but also deposited a large
    amount of water on our planet, which may help to explain the Great Flood theories
    of virtually every culture. This collision is also said to be responsible for the asteroid belt.

    If the Earth still had 360 days, then our astrological charts would be different. It is
    possible that over the course of time, the energies that you were born into would
    be different right now, as these energies are reflected on astrological positions at
    the moment of your birth. In other words, you may have incarnated to this planet
    under a different energy with various retrograde planets and reflected obstacles to
    overcome from these retrogrades. In either scenario, you agreed to come here and
    to face whatever challenges that you agreed upon in your soul contract.

    Let’s remove the possibility that the Earth was hit by Tiamat.

    There is an awakening of consciousness on our planet that is occurring in
    exponential proportions. As the Earth expands, is it possible that our consciousness
    is reflecting not only the expansion of our planet, but the universe as well? Even
    our physical bodies, in general, are growing larger and taller with each generation.
    Are these changes also reflective of an expanding earth and universe?

    While it remains undetermined whether there is a correlation between our
    expanding consciousness and the expanding earth/universe, it remains a topic
    highly worth considering.



    Published on 4 Jun 2015.....Interview by Andrew Johnson....

    A better version of this video may appear on Neal's channel here:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/nealadam...


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    Default Re: The Expanding Earth, Expanding Consciousness Theory // Neal Adams - The Growing Earth

    About where all the water comes from, I wonder if this is a possibility?

    Attachment 30892

    http://www.primarywaterinstitute.org/

    (Another member clued me into this theory in another thread. I cannot remember who it was, or which thread it was )

    There are also salt domes all over the world, which might explain why the oceans are salty,


    Maybe salt water is not primary to the ocean at all. Maybe the earth creates fresh water from within herself, and then the fresh water is made salt by dissolving salt domes, also made by the from earth within herself.

    I'm not sayin'...I'm just wondering.
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    Default Re: The Expanding Earth, Expanding Consciousness Theory // Neal Adams - The Growing Earth

    Very Interesting>>>>>thank you for posting
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    Default Re: The Expanding Earth, Expanding Consciousness Theory // Neal Adams - The Growing Earth

    These two vids explain the theory quite well....
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    Published on 30 Jul 2013


    There is a lot of supporting evidence that the earth, and all planets are growing.
    The old theory of plate tectonics was partially true, that all the continents were
    joined in the past. The but continents were joined together on a smaller planet,
    not as one big island.


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    Default Re: The Expanding Earth, Expanding Consciousness Theory // Neal Adams - The Growing Earth

    It definetly resonates with me. Earth is growing and that will suppport the increasing of Schuman resonance.
    LOve... Evol

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    Quote It definetly resonates with me. Earth is growing and that will suppport the increasing of Schuman resonance.
    LOve... Evol
    It does make sense , and is more thought out than I expected....

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    Default Re: The Expanding Earth, Expanding Consciousness Theory // Neal Adams - The Growing Earth

    Not yet convinced, but I am definately willing to consider this. It makes sense!

    I can't yet decide for myself the implications of an expanding Universe! Now, growing planets? The size of the planet effects its orbit around the sun,, etc...

    Eac galaxy is speeding away from all of the others... from each galaxy, it may seem like the center of the Universe,, but the universe is expanding.. how? Like a balloon? If we blow more air into the balloon, each point on the surface of the balloon will move away from one another.. this would mean that the amount of Space is increasing.. ??? Someone pumping in more space? Lol...

    The Universe (counsciousness) is expanding.. While consciousness expands, physicality Shrinks! Though, a -space pump- would work too,,, I guess... lol...

    The universe is teaming with life! go team!

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    Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. Yoda....

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    Looks like someone is recycling an old gum unstuck from somewhere to chew on again...

    See: Bad Science - Plate Tectonics
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    When you grab a fabric from sides and stretcht it to limit you get this tipe of texture. If not how you explain the "stretcht markes" in the bottom of the ocean??
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    Quote Posted by betoobig (here)
    [...]
    ... the "stretch markes" in the bottom of the ocean??
    [...]
    Those seeming stretch marks are called "Transform faults."


    Transform fault (the red lines)
    (Blue arrows: relative motion)
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    Thanks.....Such a fascinating topic! I recently found an old thread from PA here that references James Maxlow

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...fact-expanding

    One of the places I read a back and forth discussion was here. The thread starts off asking about the psychology of belief/disbelief "and the processes at play when faced with difficult questions in a social setting". It goes on to talk about the theory itself and is full on argument.

    http://www.rationalskepticism.org/ps...ere-t8539.html

    One of my questions is how does the earth grow?
    Expanding Earth theory and mass accretion

    If there is evidence that the earth is expanding, the how seems to need separation from this evidence that it has in the past grown. We don't know how? Just because we don't know how, should we refuse to look at geologic evidence anyway? Is the geologic evidence THERE?

    I don't know and maybe the next statetement is off topic BUT....

    My simplistic mind says that IF the earth is alive, then it grows like anything living grows. As a living open system, energy is taken in and converted to mass. Like all living organisms take in energy and expand?

    Quote This hypothesis, known as the Gaia Hypothesis, states that the Earth is alive.

    While perhaps agreeable to many an artistic or spiritual soul, the very statement of the hypothesis rankled some scientists. Still, two decades later, the Gaia Hypothesis is still with us.

    Whether the Gaia Hypothesis will stand the test of time is uncertain. But its impact on how we think of our planet, how we view the processes that create our atmosphere and climate and oceans and even the mountains is unmistakable.
    The Gaia Hypothesis
    Perhaps fractally She is like a cell??





    Quote That is because all larger beings are actually symbiotic communities of eukaryotic & prokaryotic creatures that formed successful partnerships!
    James Lovelock
    Quote "There is an underlying force that drives together the several creatures comprising myxotricha, and then drives the assemblage into union with the termite. If we could understand this tendency, we could catch a glimpse of the process that brought single separate cells together for the construction of metazoans, culminating in the invention of roses, dolphins, and, of course, ourselves."

    "It might turnout that the same tendency underlies the joining of organisms into communities, communities into ecosystems, and ecosystems into the biosphere. If this is in fact the drift of things, the way of the world, we may come to view immune reactions, genes for the chemical marking of self, and perhaps all reflexive responses of aggression and defense as secondary developments in evolution, necessary for the regulation and modulation of symbiosis, not designed to break into the process, only to keep it from getting out of hand."

    p. 29.

    "The bacteria are beginning to have the aspect of social animals; they should provide nice models for the study of interactions between forms of life at all levels. They live by collaboration, accommodation, exchange and barter. They and the fungi, probably with the help of a communication system laid on by the viruses, comprise the parenchyma of the soil. They live on each other. Sometimes they live inside each other; the Bdellovibrio penetrate the walls of the other bacteria, tuck themselves up inside, replicate, and burst out again as though they thought themselves phages. Some microbial communities extend so deeply into the affairs of higher forms of life as to seem like new kinds of tissue in plants and animals. The rhizobial bacteria that swarm over the root hairs of leguminous plants have the look of voracious, invasive pathogens, but the root nodules that they then construct, in collaboration with the plant cells, become the earth’s chief organ for nitrogen fixation."

    DNA is only a piece of the puzzle!pp. 7-8.

    "We live in a dancing matrix of viruses; they dart, rather like bees, from organism to organism, from plant to insect to mammal to me and back again, and into the sea, tugging along pieces of this genome, strings of genes from that, transplanting grafts of DNA, passing around heredity as though at a great party. They (viruses) may be a mechanism for keeping new, mutant forms of DNA, in the widest circulation among us."

    "I have been trying to think of the earth as a single organism, but…I cannot think of it this way. It is too big, too complex, with too many working parts….it is most like a single cell."
    p. 5.

    "It is hard to feel affection for something as totally impersonal as the atmosphere, and yet there it is, as much a part and product of life as wine or bread. Taken all in all, this sky is a miraculous achievement. It works, and for what it is designed to accomplish it is as infallible as anything in nature."

    "We should credit it for what it is: for sheer size and perfection of function, it is far and away the grandest product of collaboration in all of nature.";

    "It breathes for us, and it does another thing for our pleasure. Each day, millions of meteorites fall against the outer limits of the membrane and are burned to nothing by the fiction. Without this shelter, our surface would ling since have become the pounded powder of the moon. Even though our receptors are not sensitive enough to hear it, there is comfort in knowing that the sound is there over head, like the random noise of rain on the roof at night"
    Lewis Thomas
    Then my woowoo mind says...If she is like a cell, maybe after reaching a certain size, She will divide and multiply?
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    Default Re: The Expanding Earth, Expanding Consciousness Theory // Neal Adams - The Growing Earth

    @Herve: "Transform fault (the red lines)
    (Blue arrows: relative motion)"
    Something must be pulling in order to have motion, blue lines tell us so.
    @Delight : AS above so below. I love your comparison. Gaia, as a cell, is now dividing thus we are in the new earth, a new born heavenearth.

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    @Hervé: COuld the gorwth of Gaia be the force that makes that pulls??

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    Quote Posted by Delight (here)
    Thanks.....Such a fascinating topic! I recently found an old thread from PA here that references James Maxlow

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...fact-expanding

    One of the places I read a back and forth discussion was here. The thread starts off asking about the psychology of belief/disbelief "and the processes at play when faced with difficult questions in a social setting". It goes on to talk about the theory itself and is full on argument.

    http://www.rationalskepticism.org/ps...ere-t8539.html

    One of my questions is how does the earth grow?
    Expanding Earth theory and mass accretion

    If there is evidence that the earth is expanding, the how seems to need separation from this evidence that it has in the past grown. We don't not know how?

    My simplistic mind says that IF the earth is alive, then it grows like anything living grows. As a living open system, energy is taken in and converted to mass. Like all living organisms take in energy and expand?

    Quote This hypothesis, known as the Gaia Hypothesis, states that the Earth is alive.

    While perhaps agreeable to many an artistic or spiritual soul, the very statement of the hypothesis rankled some scientists. Still, two decades later, the Gaia Hypothesis is still with us.

    Whether the Gaia Hypothesis will stand the test of time is uncertain. But its impact on how we think of our planet, how we view the processes that create our atmosphere and climate and oceans and even the mountains is unmistakable.
    The Gaia Hypothesis
    Perhaps fractally She is like a cell??





    Quote That is because all larger beings are actually symbiotic communities of eukaryotic & prokaryotic creatures that formed successful partnerships!
    James Lovelock
    Quote "There is an underlying force that drives together the several creatures comprising myxotricha, and then drives the assemblage into union with the termite. If we could understand this tendency, we could catch a glimpse of the process that brought single separate cells together for the construction of metazoans, culminating in the invention of roses, dolphins, and, of course, ourselves."

    "It might turnout that the same tendency underlies the joining of organisms into communities, communities into ecosystems, and ecosystems into the biosphere. If this is in fact the drift of things, the way of the world, we may come to view immune reactions, genes for the chemical marking of self, and perhaps all reflexive responses of aggression and defense as secondary developments in evolution, necessary for the regulation and modulation of symbiosis, not designed to break into the process, only to keep it from getting out of hand."

    p. 29.

    "The bacteria are beginning to have the aspect of social animals; they should provide nice models for the study of interactions between forms of life at all levels. They live by collaboration, accommodation, exchange and barter. They and the fungi, probably with the help of a communication system laid on by the viruses, comprise the parenchyma of the soil. They live on each other. Sometimes they live inside each other; the Bdellovibrio penetrate the walls of the other bacteria, tuck themselves up inside, replicate, and burst out again as though they thought themselves phages. Some microbial communities extend so deeply into the affairs of higher forms of life as to seem like new kinds of tissue in plants and animals. The rhizobial bacteria that swarm over the root hairs of leguminous plants have the look of voracious, invasive pathogens, but the root nodules that they then construct, in collaboration with the plant cells, become the earth’s chief organ for nitrogen fixation."

    DNA is only a piece of the puzzle!pp. 7-8.

    "We live in a dancing matrix of viruses; they dart, rather like bees, from organism to organism, from plant to insect to mammal to me and back again, and into the sea, tugging along pieces of this genome, strings of genes from that, transplanting grafts of DNA, passing around heredity as though at a great party. They (viruses) may be a mechanism for keeping new, mutant forms of DNA, in the widest circulation among us."

    "I have been trying to think of the earth as a single organism, but…I cannot think of it this way. It is too big, too complex, with too many working parts….it is most like a single cell."
    p. 5.

    "It is hard to feel affection for something as totally impersonal as the atmosphere, and yet there it is, as much a part and product of life as wine or bread. Taken all in all, this sky is a miraculous achievement. It works, and for what it is designed to accomplish it is as infallible as anything in nature."

    "We should credit it for what it is: for sheer size and perfection of function, it is far and away the grandest product of collaboration in all of nature.";

    "It breathes for us, and it does another thing for our pleasure. Each day, millions of meteorites fall against the outer limits of the membrane and are burned to nothing by the fiction. Without this shelter, our surface would ling since have become the pounded powder of the moon. Even though our receptors are not sensitive enough to hear it, there is comfort in knowing that the sound is there over head, like the random noise of rain on the roof at night"
    Lewis Thomas
    Then my woowoo mind says...If she is like a cell, maybe after reaching a certain size, She will divide and multiply?
    Delight, awhile back, maybe in December of 2014, and article came out that said that the earth now has two north poles and two south poles, due to the weakening of the earth's magnetic field.



    I was in Spain, and there was a little get together happening, and we started discussing this news, which had just come out. And I said that what if the earth was getting ready to divide, like a cell?



    Just thought you'd like to know

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    Quote Posted by betoobig (here)
    @Herve: "Transform fault (the red lines)
    (Blue arrows: relative motion)"
    Something must be pulling in order to have motion, blue lines tell us so.
    [...]
    @Hervé: COuld the gorwth of Gaia be the force that makes that pulls??
    Bad Science - Plate Tectonics <--- read!
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    Quote Posted by Selkie (here)

    Delight, awhile back, maybe in December of 2014, and article came out that said that the earth now has two north poles and two south poles, due to the weakening of the earth's magnetic field.



    I was in Spain, and there was a little get together happening, and we started discussing this news, which had just come out. And I said that what if the earth was getting ready to divide, like a cell?



    Just thought you'd like to know
    Thanks. I cannot find the source of the "earth now has two north poles and two south poles" but that is interesting!

    I enjoyed this little presentation here

    Planet Earth Compared To A Cell

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    @ Delight,

    I found the image on this site,

    http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/201...ant-weakening/

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    Default Re: The Expanding Earth, Expanding Consciousness Theory // Neal Adams - The Growing Earth

    A couple of interviews that go together......
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    James Maxlow - The Expanding Earth


    Published on 21 Dec 2014


    World-renowned geologist James Maxlow discusses the theory of Expansion Tectonics. In a
    startling challenge to conventional geology, Expansion Tectonics suggests that the Earth has
    not always been the same size. Hundreds of millions of years ago, it may have been much,
    much smaller, with vast implications for the past, present and future of life on this planet.
    A single super-continent called Pangaea dominated Earth 300 million years ago. But whereas
    Plate Tectonics states that it existed surrounded by a huge super-ocean, Expansion Tectonics
    suggests that it covered the entire planetary surface. As the planet expanded – about 100
    million years ago - so the spaces currently occupied by the great oceans opened up.

    Expansion Tectonics offers a radical overhaul of many accepted ideas about the Earth. It can
    help explain patterns of evolution, how life spread across the planet, catastrophic mass
    extinctions, and mysteries such as how and when Antarctica could once have been lush, green
    and free from ice. The theory therefore has relevance to Earth changes that we are witnessing
    today. It also poses many fascinating questions: if the planet is expanding, where does the
    additional matter come from? What, if anything, can it tell us about the origins of the Earth?
    Is expansion occurring on other planets, in other galaxies or even throughout the entire Universe?

    With or without Expansion Tectonics, the Earth does continue to expand, although the rate
    – just a few centimeters per year - is stretched across such a vast timescale that it has barely
    registered since human beings first evolved. However, should it continue, life on Earth will once
    again be profoundly transformed during the next few million years.

    http://www.jamesmaxlow.com/main/
    http://www.expansiontectonics.com/ind...

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    Stephen Hurrell - Dinosaurs and the Expanding Earth




    Published on 30 Dec 2014


    Stephen Hurrell discusses his book Dinosaurs and the Expanding Earth. When Dinosaurs and
    the Expanding Earth was first published it proposed a startling idea to explain the long-standing
    puzzle of the dinosaurs' vast size. Some paleontologists have suggested that many dinosaurs’
    bones were simply not strong enough to support their enormous weight. Hurrell, however,
    presented scientific evidence that dinosaurs lived in reduced gravity and this allowed them to
    grow to gigantic proportions. The Reduced Gravity Earth theory explains why life - including
    dinosaurs, plants and insects - evolved towards a larger scale on the ancient Earth. It is also
    a key piece of evidence that provides additional support for an Expanding Earth, something a
    number of leading geologists have been suggesting for decades. Expanding Earth theory
    postulates that hundreds of millions of years ago, our planet was much, much smaller, gradually
    growing over time as it accrued material from elsewhere in the solar system.

    For reasons still debated, the dinosaurs, and indeed many other ancient forms of life, did not
    survive the Earth changes that beset them. If such changes are in fact not in the distant past
    but actually still underway, what could this mean for the future of life on Earth? As changing
    gravity and Expanding Earth claim to answer some of the most vexing questions about life on
    this planet, what might it suggest about life elsewhere in the solar system, the galaxy and the
    entire Universe?

    http://www.dinox.org/

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    James Maxlow - Expanding Earth 2005 Presentation



    Published on 24 May 2012


    See www.jamesmaxlow.com

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    The Earth could be hollow
    The Earth could be expanding
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    The Earth But Not As We Know It



    Published on 17 Jun 2012
    In this 2-part presentation we will be looking at the evidence which lead some to think that

    The Earth could be hollow
    The Earth could be expanding

    (UPDATE 2014/2015: Please see the articles on my website, which may possibly
    answer the "mass increase" question (i.e. the mass has not increased much).
    http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms
    ... and http://<br /> www.checktheevidence....=409&Itemid=59)

    Is there a relationship between these 2 theories? As usual, there seems to be good
    information and bad, but with careful study, we can establish certain things as
    being true or not true.

    We will look at

    An impressive video showing Hollow Earth ideas
    History of Hollow Earth thinking and ideas.
    The tale of Olaf Jansen -- a Swedish man who claimed to have visited the Inner
    Earth with his father in 1830.
    Apparent pictures of Holes at the North pole
    Admiral Byrd's trips to the Poles and Operation High Jump
    Michael Palin's trip to the South Pole in 1991 ("Pole to Pole")
    Ideas about Seismology and Aurora which some have claimed show the earth could
    to hollow
    Brooks Agnew and the North Pole Inner Earth Expedition
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    In the second half, we will look at the evidence that the earth is expanding.
    A short look at the history of some thoughts on this -- as well as mentioning
    Continental Drift and Plate Tectonics
    A look at a short video by Neal Adams -- which many people have seen.
    Research of Prof S Warren Carey as he realised the earth was expanding
    Comprehensive research of James Maxlow
    Discussion of Subduction
    Stephen Hurrell's research regarding the large size of Dinosaurs and other life -
    which suggests that the force of gravity was much reduced 150 million years ago.

    "The Smoky God" - Olaf Jansen's Story
    http://www.checktheevidence.com/pdf/T...

    More details here: http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms...
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    @Hervé
    "Plate tectonics theory (tectonics being the science of crustal structure) has been severely challenged by many geologists who point out its many inconsistencies, implausibilities, and predictive failures (see Plate Tectonics: a Paradigm Under Threat, David Pratt, J. Sctfc. Expltn. 14: 307-52, 2000 (davidpratt.info and scientificexploration.org); Problems with Plate Tectonics: Reply, David Pratt, New Concepts in Global Tectonics Newsletter, pp. 10-24, 2001)."

    So we are all theorizing here, not good nor bad.

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