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    Default Re: Fugitives/Refugees coming to Europe

    Sérénité asked for some stats... and I found some:

    Quote Why is EU struggling with migrants and asylum?

    28 August 2015

    Some 2,500 migrants have drowned in the Mediterranean this year as overcrowded boats head for the coasts of Greece and Italy, the UN says.

    The flow of desperate migrants from the Middle East and Africa hoping to reach Europe is already much higher than in the same period in 2014.

    Recent trends show that thousands of people are attempting a perilous route through the Western Balkans with the ultimate destination in Germany and other northern EU countries.

    Here are some of the key questions surrounding the crisis.

    How many people are on the move?

    More than 300,000 migrants have risked their lives trying to cross the Mediterranean to Europe so far this year, according to the UN. This compares with 219,000 for the whole of 2014.

    Nearly 200,000 people have landed in Greece since January this year, while another 110,000 made it to Italy.

    Most of those heading for Greece take the relatively short voyage from the Turkish mainland to the islands of Kos, Chios, Lesvos and Samos - often in flimsy rubber dinghies or small wooden boats.

    The voyage from Libya to Italy is longer and more hazardous.

    Some of the worse tragedies in 2015 include:

    Two boats carrying about 500 migrants sinking after leaving Zuwara in Libya on 27 August
    Bodies of 71 people, believed to be Syrian migrants, discovered in an abandoned lorry in Austria on 27 August
    Shipwreck off Italy's Lampedusa island on 19 April took an estimated 800 lives
    At least 300 migrants feared to have drowned after attempting to cross the Mediterranean in rough seas in early February

    Survivors often report violence and abuse by people traffickers. Many migrants pay thousands of dollars each to the traffickers, and robbery of migrants is also common.

    Chaos in Libya has given traffickers freedom to exploit migrants.



    The EU's external border force, Frontex, monitors the different routes migrants use and how many people are arriving at Europe's borders.

    It says some 340,000 migrants have been detected at the borders since the beginning of 2015.

    That compares with 123,500 in the same period last year.

    Where do they come from?

    The largest migrant group by nationality in 2015 is Syrians, as people flee the country's brutal civil war.

    Afghans and Eritreans come next. They are often also fleeing poverty and human rights abuses.

    People from Nigeria and Kosovo also make up large groups. Poor, marginalised Roma account for many of the migrants from Kosovo.





    In Italy new migrants from Eritrea form the biggest group, followed by those from Nigeria.

    But in Greece migrants from Syria are the biggest group, then Afghans.
    Where are they going next?

    Germany, which receives by far the most asylum applications in the EU, is expecting 800,000 refugees to arrive this year.

    Recent trends show that thousands of people are trying to travel to both Germany and other EU countries via Greece and the Western Balkans.

    Some 3,000 people are expected to cross into Macedonia each day in the coming months, according to the UN.

    Many then cross into Serbia, which says it has seen 90,000 migrants so far this year, and head for Hungary and the EU's passport-free Schengen zone.

    In July alone, 34,000 migrants were detected trying to cross from Serbia into Hungary.

    Faced with that influx, Hungary is building a 175km (110 mile) fence in a bid to stop migrants entering.

    It has also urged EU partners not to send back migrants who have travelled on from Hungary.

    The Dublin Regulation places responsibility for examining an asylum seeker's claim with the first EU country that the migrant reached.

    Other countries are struggling with the influx of arrivals.

    Austria says it is expecting 80,000 asylum applications this year.

    Meanwhile thousands of migrants are camped around Calais in northern France. Many will risk their lives smuggling themselves across the Channel into the UK.

    What are politicians doing about it?
    ........
    PLease do go to the link to read the rest and have a look at the graphs.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24583286
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    The news here has been a-buzz with the UK's threat of blocking EU member-state immigration.... I have read that they are worried about an invasion of Eastern Europeaners when next year 4 new members will be added to the EU crown.

    Several EU countries are also re-considering the Schengen Treaty:

    Quote Migrant crisis: 'Schengen border agreement could be suspended' - Germany

    21 August 2015 Last updated at 12:25 BST

    Germany's interior minister has said he could not rule out a suspension of the Schengen agreement.

    Thomas de Maiziere told BBC News that it was time other European countries took more responsibility over the migrant crisis, adding Britain should take more refugees.

    Germany expects up to 800,000 people to seek asylum this year alone - far more than anywhere else in the EU.

    The minister was speaking to the BBC's Berlin Correspondent Jenny Hill.
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    I am very surprised that noone has posted anything else on this thread...

    The Hungarian authorities have closed the central train station in Budapest due to the encampment of thousands of Syrians who were able to arrive there from Serbia/ Chec Republic and are wanting to continue their journey towards Germany who has projected accepting as many as 800,000 immigrants this year... these Syrians assume that they will be given refugee status once arrived in Germany...but they are blocked in Hungary, who refuses to transport them.

    This morning the desperate refugees have stormed the station and have occupied a train.... unfortunately, the train is not going to leave the station and people, some with children are jam packed on this train...already suffering for heat exhaustion and thirst...

    What the CRAP is going on???

    Quote Migrants storm Budapest’s main railway station

    03/09 09:12 CET

    http://www.euronews.com/2015/09/03/m...ilway-station/

    From http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/mi...rhodes-greece/

    Quote Hungarian government spokesman says those at Keleti station will go to refugee camps inside Hungary - @Stone_SkyNews
    See original on twitter.com
    Quote Vienna, Vienna, Austria
    2m
    Vienna police chief says no plans to check arriving refugees, will let them continue their journey - @Reuters
    End of alert
    It appears that Hungary wants to keep the refugees....

    In the meanwhile, another 700+ boatpeople have arrived in Italy....

    Quote Cagliari, arrivata in porto nave con 781 migranti
    Pubblicato il: 03/09/2015 08:56

    E’ arrivata a Cagliari qualche minuto dopo le 7 la nave norvegese Siem Pilot con a bordo 781 migranti salvati a largo delle coste libiche tra domenica e lunedì nelle operazioni di salvataggio coordinate dalla Guardia costiera italiana.

    La nave con i migranti, dei quali 595 uomini, 175 donne e 11 bambini, che ha a bordo anche quattro cadaveri, è attraccata al Molo Rinascita dov’è stato allestito il punto di prima assistenza della Protezione civile regionale. Saranno effettuate le prime visite mediche e le identificazioni, poi i migranti saranno trasferiti nelle strutture di prima accoglienza nelle quattro province dell’isola.
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    Here is a video of Swedens former Finance Minister, Anders Borg, at the Peterson Institute on april 23, 2012 (at 36:28 min):



    Quote Sweden is now in absolute term the country that has most immigrants in Europe, in absolute terms we are receiving as many people as France, England and Germany and Sewden is around 10 million, and France and the UK and the others are 50, 60, 70 million. Basically the US is providing these flows for us. You make war and we get the refugees. The largest ethnic minority in Sweden now is the Iraqis.

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    Here is a video of Swedens former Finance Minister, Anders Borg, at the Peterson Institute on april 23, 2012 (at 36:28 min):



    Quote Sweden is now in absolute term the country that has most immigrants in Europe, in absolute terms we are receiving as many people as France, England and Germany and Sewden is around 10 million, and France and the UK and the others are 50, 60, 70 million. Basically the US is providing these flows for us. You make war and we get the refugees. The largest ethnic minority in Sweden now is the Iraqis.
    I hope everyone realizes that the people of the United States have no more power to stop what our government is doing than the citizens of Germany have to stop their what their government is doing. It doesn't matter who we vote for, the agenda is the same. They would not allow anyone into power who does not support the agenda.

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    I hope everyone realizes that the people of the United States have no more power to stop what our government is doing than the citizens of Germany have to stop their what their government is doing. It doesn't matter who we vote for, the agenda is the same. They would not allow anyone into power who does not support the agenda.
    The government doesn't even have any power to stop what's going on! The PTB are completely beyond control of anything short of a military coup.

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    Btw I think mr Borg became senior fellow at the Peterson Institute a couple of years later.

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    I hope everyone realizes that the people of the United States have no more power to stop what our government is doing than the citizens of Germany have to stop their what their government is doing. It doesn't matter who we vote for, the agenda is the same. They would not allow anyone into power who does not support the agenda.
    The government doesn't even have any power to stop what's going on! The PTB are completely beyond control of anything short of a military coup.
    Sadly, I think you are correct.

    Could that be why there is all the fear porn about martial law? Could it be that martial law is the only thing left to stop what ever is in the works?

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    Sadly, I think you are correct.

    Could that be why there is all the fear porn about martial law? Could it be that martial law is the only thing left to stop what ever is in the works?
    The whole martial law thing is just a warning to anyone contemplating taking matters too far. The FEMA camps are just there to say:"We're ready and waiting for you if you openly try and defy us". They know enough people will eventually smell a rat and could become a problem.

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    Apparently there has been a change of plans. Instead of Germany accepting US nukes pointed at Russia, they have agreed to join with Russia in fighting Isis. They are doing this to deal with the refugee crisis. This alliance throws a wet blanket on US plans in Syria and the plans to demonize Russia. If the fighting can be stopped, perhaps the flow of refugees will at least slow down. Because at this rate, over the next few years, all of Europe could be swamped. Aid for these people has to be handled another way, but I haven't seen any efforts to do that. But this new alliance is a very interesting development, and I would love to hear some opinions on it.

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    Apparently there has been a change of plans. Instead of Germany accepting US nukes pointed at Russia, they have agreed to join with Russia in fighting Isis. They are doing this to deal with the refugee crisis. This alliance throws a wet blanket on US plans in Syria and the plans to demonize Russia. If the fighting can be stopped, perhaps the flow of refugees will at least slow down. Because at this rate, over the next few years, all of Europe could be swamped. Aid for these people has to be handled another way, but I haven't seen any efforts to do that. But this new alliance is a very interesting development, and I would love to hear some opinions on it.
    Can you provide links to this story? It seems odd to me that the Chancellor of Germany would do a 180 degree turn like that, having said, not too long ago, that she has more-or-less committed Germany to accepting hundreds of thousands of refugee/immigrants. Not to mention that they are already in Europe.

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    Germany moves away from the US anti-Putin alliance and joins forces with Russia in coalition to defeat ISIS

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    In a surprise move Germany left the anti-Putin-alliance formed by the USA: Germany is now officially welcoming Moscow's readiness to act in Syria and is starting an initiative together with the Russians and the French to bring an end to the war. This is to stop the constant stream of refugees. Germany has ordered thousands of soldiers into readiness.

    Germany surprisingly left the alliance formed together with the United States which intended to block Russia's entry into the Syrian conflict.

    Minister of Defence Ursula von der Leyen told Der Spiegel that she welcomed president Putin's intentions of joining the fight against the extremist organization "Islamic State". It would be a matter of mutual interests, she said.

    ...

    It has been reported that Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called into question the effectiveness of the US-led coalition against Islamic State (IS). According to PNP magazine he stated, that concerned colleagues from within the US-led coalition turned to him. They informed him that the US-military did not give clearances to their fighter pilots even though they clearly located and identified Islamic State positions.
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    Quote Posted by Sophocles (here)
    Germany moves away from the US anti-Putin alliance and joins forces with Russia in coalition to defeat ISIS

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    Quote South Front
    Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:31 UTC

    In a surprise move Germany left the anti-Putin-alliance formed by the USA: Germany is now officially welcoming Moscow's readiness to act in Syria and is starting an initiative together with the Russians and the French to bring an end to the war. This is to stop the constant stream of refugees. Germany has ordered thousands of soldiers into readiness.

    Germany surprisingly left the alliance formed together with the United States which intended to block Russia's entry into the Syrian conflict.

    Minister of Defence Ursula von der Leyen told Der Spiegel that she welcomed president Putin's intentions of joining the fight against the extremist organization "Islamic State". It would be a matter of mutual interests, she said.

    ...

    It has been reported that Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called into question the effectiveness of the US-led coalition against Islamic State (IS). According to PNP magazine he stated, that concerned colleagues from within the US-led coalition turned to him. They informed him that the US-military did not give clearances to their fighter pilots even though they clearly located and identified Islamic State positions.
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    On the face of it, I think this is very good news. Time will tell if there is a deeper story.

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    Udo Ulfkotte, the German journalist who wrote the book «Bought Journalism» last year, talks about the refugee crisis on RT:

    Quote Our media and politicians always tell us profit is on the side of people smugglers especially... I`m always laughing when I hear that because the most profit is done by politicians, by the pharma industry, by big companies and of course by journalists too.


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    Published on Sep 23, 2015

    Germany is often the preferred destination of refugees seeking to settle in Europe. Renowned German journalist Udo Ulfkotte claims politicians are actually profitting from the ever-growing wave of asylum seekers. Ulfkotte is hiding his location - after allegedly receiving death threats. RT's Peter Oliver has more.

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    Many thanks to the posters in this thread for the information they have brought fourth with their insights on the matter.

    While I can empathize with the true victims of the traffickers, I can't exactly see eye-to-eye on this being a scenario that requires Europe's collective love and open arms.

    Aside from the facts that the 'refugees' are dying due to the fact they believe or are being led to believe they can easily find amnesty in Europe; that the open acceptance of them is encouraging them to make more risky and dangerous moves like this, and that not all of them are people who have dealt with hardship, but are using this as a means to gain an economic advantage over their peers by migrating to the West; there is evidence to show that somebody is using the present crisis to fuel tensions and possibly create civil unrest:

    Gun smuggling disguised as 'aid':


    Just one of many examples I can find of 'war victims' getting in:


    Most of these are heading to Germany, Serbia, Austria, etc... not to the US or Russia, which people are ascribing blame for these conflicts.

    There is also information floating around, which I unfortunately cannot recall, stating that the 800,000 heading to Germany are the official numbers, not the unofficial; which is estimated to be several million.
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    Yesterday Sweden erected passport inspection at the borders which includes both fugitifs and citizens. The biggest stream of fugitifs since WW2 will be an hour of destiny for the EU and Open Borders "Peace Project" which was not the incentive of course but TPTB wanting to erect a Super State with common currency, army, laws etc.

    Would be interesting to know you Avalonians thoughts about this crisis from a "higher"/spiritual" perspective. Nostradamus predicted the increasing conflict between the Western and Muslim world around the year 2000 and onwards. Many are the pple in Europe voting for parties with roots in the Nazi movements; in Sweden nearing 20% while on the other hand volunteering and all kinds of ideas and projects are implemented to integrate fugitifs who have gone through immense hardships to come here. Many are well educated and Sweden need more doctors and nurses f.i. The waiting time for residence permit can now be up to 2 years which breaks pple down psycholocigally.

    Out of living in poverty and discrimination the "Romes" from Romania are like any European allowed to move freely within the EU, hence they come here to try to find a job or beg for money. They can stay for 3 months but then have to return home. They have nowhere to stay and are camping outside the big cities and driven away while now heated tents are provided the fugitifs from war. This of course will be seen as a hughe injustice and this is the usual story going on; TBTB putting the weak groups up against eachother as to not lift their consciousness out of the fog realizing who's really running the show.

    Here's from giovonnis recent post; the info about the refugee crisis in Sweden starts at 19.34. There's also voices from Germany and Denmark.


    Also when I was born I wasn't provided with a contract promising I would always live in a country where I would never have to experience hardships...
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    Syrian Refugees - by Syrian artist Nizar Ali Badr depicting refugee crisis


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    I had no idea things were this bad.

    According to NaturalNews:

    "Here's the wildly viral documentary being CENSORED everywhere across the web: Google, Youtube, Vimeo, etc.
    WE GOT IT now on TV.NaturalNews.com. It's a video titled "With Open Gates - The forced collective suicide of European nations."
    This video tells the truth about European refugees who are actually occupying militant forces waging war against Western culture.
    Click here for the story and the video link.
    (Note, the video won't play in Firefox. Try a different browser...)"


    With Open Gates - The forced collective suicide of European nations

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    thoughts about this crisis from a "higher"/spiritual" perspective
    Balancing compassion with wisdom is a challenge for many. It certainly is a challenge for me.

    It is easier to talk about compassion, in theory, when one is not in the middle of violence being done to family, to those you love.

    Practical application of wise action, short term and long term solutions, is what needs discussion.

    I wish we had the answers.

    Wait ... there is one major development when fully manifest that will definitely help. When humans become so smart, so clever, so intuitive that manipulation and lies are no longer effective, we will have won.
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