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    If you own Windows 7 or 8 and you have activated automatic updates you may have silently got some spying software on your machine.

    At GHacks.net you can find instructions on how to remove those updates from your computer.

    And if you're fond of online security and you don't mind a bit of geek talk here is the show were I've learned about it.

    Security Now - Episode 523

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    Default Re: Microsoft intensifies data collection on Windows 7 and 8 systems

    Quote Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
    And if you're fond of online security and you don't mind a bit of geek talk here is the show were I've learned about it.

    Security Now - Episode 523
    Yup - another classic Security Now episode.

    In this episode of Steve Gibson's Security Now, he concludes with a discussion of uBlock Origin - good stuff !

    uBlock Origin is a free and open source, cross-platform browser extension for content-filtering, including ad-blocking. It is available for several browsers, including Chrome, Firefox, and Safari.

    The original developer, Raymond Hill ((a.k.a. "gorhill"), continues to work on "uBlock Origin", aka uBlockO. A spinoff has the original "uBlock" name and an earlier version of the code, as explained at:Leo Laporte was noticeably uncomfortable with uBlock (at the end of the show), as it disabled most of his twit.tv site, including his ads which are his primary source of revenue. Leo and Steve have a long tradition of not seeing eye to eye on such matters on Security Now, which divergence of views they both seem to tolerate with amusement.

    I've been uBlock for the last week (in Firefox on Linux), and so far it does what it says it does, no problem. I have enabled almost all of the 3rd party filter-lists, and so far what I want to work, works fine, with less snooping and risk from other sites that normally would have been linked in, and faster, thanks to less being downloaded to my browser.
    My quite dormant website: pauljackson.us

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    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Yup - another classic Security Now episode.

    In this episode of Steve Gibson's Security Now, he concludes with a discussion of uBlock Origin - good stuff !
    I got that and quite a few others usefull tips from this site:

    https://www.privacytools.io/ <-- it has a list of Firefox extensions around the middle of the website.

    That you made me aware of a couple of weeks ago, also presented in one of the SecurityNow episodes.

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    Default Re: Microsoft intensifies data collection on Windows 7 and 8 systems

    Anyone know about Opera browser?

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    Default Re: Microsoft intensifies data collection on Windows 7 and 8 systems

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    Anyone know about Opera browser?
    I know Opera cannot be removed easily. Very difficult.

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    Default Re: Microsoft intensifies data collection on Windows 7 and 8 systems

    Quote You may remove those updates using the Control Panel, or by running the following commands using an elevated command prompt [C:\]:
    • wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart
    • wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart
    • wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart
    • wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart
    I searched for those KBs in the "Installed Updates" (Win 7) without any being found but, taking a hint from this comment:

    dusanmal September 2, 2015 at 5:12 pm
    @AllThingsFirefox On both of my machines, one 7, one 8.1 I explicitly opted out from CEIP at the install time and I have checked that I am still opted out... Three of four updates were installed despite this opt-out (the only non-present was one that was upgraded itself 302*...). Hence, maybe these are additional parts of CEIP in some manner but they also operate on their own and will be installed on CEIP-opted-out machines.
    Update 306* appears now (after removal) as "Important" update and 307* and 308* as "additional".


    ... I simply ran "C:\" as admin and ran all 4, just to make certain they are not there any more... none of the ran commands returned an error message... hmmm...
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    @Herve, yes, the commands are a bit silly. They should not have added the "/quiet" parameter in there. That has suppressed any notice of having done something like: removed update or update not found.

    So you could try these commands instead in an "elevated console" (geek name for cmd run "As administrator").

    Code:
        wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /norestart
        wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /norestart
        wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /norestart
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    Default Re: Microsoft intensifies data collection on Windows 7 and 8 systems

    Thanks Ilie!

    With the "/quiet " switch removed, I did get the "The update KB****** is not installed on this computer" error message


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    wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /norestart
    wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /norestart
    wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /norestart
    Well, running the first two on the above list, no updates were found.

    However, for completeness sake I also ran the next two... and they indeed did get uninstalled... I then re-checked them and, this time, they were not found!

    I'll check them again the next time I restart my computer because I now have some suspicion that those may get automatically re-installed/"repaired."
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    Default Re: Microsoft intensifies data collection on Windows 7 and 8 systems

    Good thread thanks full of useful in formation.

    I turned of updates in april 2013. Though in update history i noticed one sneaked in last march, a search revealed it was a Security Update for Windows Vista, strange as i am using 7. It was not one on the list thankfully. Maybe it came on when i restored it to its factory condition, i do not remember exactly when i did that.

    Three of those updates are in the optional update list except for kb:3022345, that i cannot seem to find. Command prompt also said it was not installed. So it appears i am ok.

    I assume that you know of a free program, peer block, that can block windows from connecting to you system among many other things.

    One day i will do a reformat and never install any updates.

    I have a friend who still uses xp and has never installed one update. They are turned of out of necessity. He has never had a problem.
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    I'm pretty well done with all the windows stuff, I think. I might ~finally~ throw in the towel and go for linux based systems.

    Full circle, back to unix, where I started.
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    Default Re: Microsoft intensifies data collection on Windows 7 and 8 systems

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    ...

    ... I simply ran "C:\" as admin and ran all 4, just to make certain they are not there any more... none of the ran commands returned an error message... hmmm...
    Same here.

    I am not sure what this means: "It is recommended to "hide" them afterwards so that they are not picked up and installed again on the computer system"


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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    [...]
    I am not sure what this means: "It is recommended to "hide" them afterwards so that they are not picked up and installed again on the computer system"
    I take this to mean that once uninstalled, these updates will again show up on the list of "Available updates."

    On the "Windows Update" pop-up window, there is a "Restore hidden updates" that makes these avoided updates visible to updates searches. When one right clicks on updates in the "Available Updates", one can see a "Hide update" option on the menu. Clicking the option removes the update from the list of updates one can chose to install.

    My guess is that those particular updates are tagged a certain way so as to become invisible to the Windows routine that checks which updates have not yet been installed. May be that particular tag/switch returns "already installed" or a "don't install" to the update search.
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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    ...

    ... I simply ran "C:\" as admin and ran all 4, just to make certain they are not there any more... none of the ran commands returned an error message... hmmm...
    Same here.

    I am not sure what this means: "It is recommended to "hide" them afterwards so that they are not picked up and installed again on the computer system"
    Yes, this was pretty obscure and it took me a while to find this "feature". Also I am not sure that "hidding" that anything more that just as the name says, meaning: making it invsibile to human eye. It should have been called "Don't install" or "Ignore Update".

    Any way, you need to open the list of Available Updates and then Right Click the one you want to hide and select "Hide".

    Attached is a screen shot.

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    [...]

    I'll check them again the next time I restart my computer because I now have some suspicion that those may get automatically re-installed/"repaired."
    I re-checked after boot and none were" re-installed" or "Repaired." i.e. still "Not Installed On this Computer."

    Now I'll watch for them if they show up in the next batch of "New Updates Available" when launching the "Check for Updates"?
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    Default Re: Microsoft intensifies data collection on Windows 7 and 8 systems

    Hey thanks Illie, great of you to share, I did a spot check (Window 7), I had KB3022345, KB3068708, did uninstalled, I'll check periodically to see what ''Window patches'' come my way!

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    Inspired by this thread, I googled around a bit. It is much worse than the 4 updates.
    I found this page that I have run: http://www.hakspek.com/security/wind...metry-updates/
    If you have windows 7 or 8 and do not want to have the windows 10, it's fine to run it.
    scroll down to:
    In order to rid your system of Microsoft sponsored spyware, follow the steps below.
    1.Download .zip file from here
    2.Unzip to known location
    3.Go to unzipped location
    4.Right click on block_w10.cmd
    5.Click “run as administrator”
    6.Follow on-screen instructions

    After rebooting I checked what was left, and it had missed 2, which I remove manually as Ilie has described.

    Next time it rains a day or two, then it's goodbye Windows, it's not funny any more !!!

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    As predictable as clockwork...

    3 of the uninstalled updates showed up, anew, on my "New Updates Available For Download" list:

    Update for Windows 7 (KB3080149) (Optional)
    Update for Windows 7 (KB3075249) (Optional)

    Update for Windows 7 (KB3068708) Important

    ... so, I unchecked and "hid" them and hopefully they'll stay parked there
    so they do not get check-marked accidentally and installed with the next batch of updates.

    Edit:
    Checking the list found at the link provided by Johnny, above, two more "updates" got uninstalled although a search for them on the list of "Installed Updates" didn't return anything:


    wusa /uninstall /kb:3021917 /norestart *
    wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583 /norestart
    wusa /uninstall /kb:2990214 /norestart
    wusa /uninstall /kb:3044374 /norestart
    wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /norestart *
    wusa /uninstall /kb:3022345 /norestart
    wusa /uninstall /kb:3068708 /norestart
    wusa /uninstall /kb:3080149 /norestart
    wusa /uninstall /kb:3075249 /norestart
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    I did not have so much time yesterday to post the/my result. It was on a laptop with 4 GB Ram and Windows 7 Home edition.

    First, the title on http://www.hakspek.com/security/wind...metry-updates/ can be a bit misleading. It IS about Windows 7 -> 10.

    My laptop is now running much more smoother than before, nearly like is was a new one.

    I also have newer stationary computer with Windows 10 Pro downloaded a couple of weeks ago. It took me several hours to make it 'my own computer'.

    One can not download Windows 10 without accepting the terms, which mainly are, that Microsoft can do what ever they will with our data AND computers.

    Despite our efforts to get rid of all their crab,
    Quote As predictable as clockwork...
    they WILL find other ways to get what they want, so it will be an endless fight/game what ever, to protect our computers.

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    Has anyone tried the disconnect Firefox addon?

    I does not provide information like ghostery.

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    Has anyone tried the disconnect Firefox addon?

    I does not provide information like ghostery.
    I'm not quite sure what you mean, but here is Ghostery: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/fir...ry/?src=search

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