14th Anniversary 9/11 questions

[heyokah]

This was published on Nov 5, 2012 !!

I can best introduce this video here with this comment, from YouTube:

IamaFreeWillOffering, 1 month ago.

"This video, while not the easiest to listen to, due to the almost monotone dialog, is, nevertheless, the most important single video, based on a "damning information per minute" criteria, of all the videos I've seen.
I'd encourage everyone who has friends who think you're a loon for questioning your government, to appeal to them to simply pay attention to this one video and tell them that if they listen carefully and pay attention, and then are still of the same mind, you'll never address it with them again.
No one can pay attention to this video and walk away pretending there are not numerous serious issues of conspiracy, fraud, theft, murder and cover-up that reveal a very corrupt government, laden with massive guilt."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CdE1Cwnymzc

[Rocky_Shorz]

for those of you who watched the first video, at 22:30 he states in the bible, the Prophecy of Elam, it is written God is going to re-establish his throne in Elam, which is modern day Kurdistan in Iran stretching to it's capital in Erbil Iraq. my Bro-in-Law Barzan's family was Kurdistan's Monarch who was from this region.

Through Divine Destiny, David a non-bloodline King currently sits on Kurdistan's throne...

Kerry did good bringing this forward, many of you have heard me speak of Kurdistan over the years, he does a very good job of explaining how all of this ties together.

[observer]

This is how the mass hypnosis of downtown New York City was accomplished - COMMANDO SOLO.



Commando Solo, among other things, is a military Psychological Operations Unit (PsyOp)

From Wikipedia:

"Psychological operations (PSYOP) are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.[1]

The purpose of United States psychological operations is to induce or reinforce behavior favorable to U.S. objectives. They are an important part of the range of diplomatic, informational, military, and economic activities available to the U.S. They can be utilized during both peacetime and conflict. There are three main types: strategic, operational, and tactical. Strategic PSYOP include informational activities conducted by the U.S. government agencies outside of the military arena, though many utilize Department of Defense (DOD) assets. Operational PSYOP are conducted across the range of military operations, including during peacetime, in a defined operational area to promote the effectiveness of the joint force commander's (JFC) campaigns and strategies. Tactical PSYOP are conducted in the area assigned to a tactical commander across the range of military operations to support the tactical mission against opposing forces.

PSYOP can encourage popular discontent with the opposition's leadership and by combining persuasion with a credible threat, degrade an adversary's ability to conduct or sustain military operations. They can also disrupt, confuse, and protract the adversary's decision-making process, undermining command and control.[2] When properly employed, PSYOP have the potential to save the lives of friendly or enemy forces by reducing the adversary's will to fight. By lowering the adversary's morale and then its efficiency, PSYOP can also discourage aggressive actions by creating disaffection within their ranks, ultimately leading to surrender."

Something flew into the world trade center. After the initial attack, multiple camera angles from all over the city photographed an object flying into the second tower. Each video of the event can't possibly be 'doctored' evidence.

Most of the private sourced videos of the event are out of focus or at great distance, so annualizing the image is impossible.

Every witness on the ground saw something fly into the WTC. Exactly what they saw was manipulated by a PsyOp mass hypnosis program flying circles around the WTC at high altitude.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UVhhu5OjMf8

....but, there can be no question, something flew into the WTC to begin the attack. What happened next is complicated. It involves months of preparation disguised as a renovation project, with the addition of what Dr. Judy Wood describes in her investigation.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWjktDuIhR8

This Judy Wood Video is possibly the one that Selkie was looking for in her comment #21.

[idiit]

Just as Major General Albert Stubblebein, USA (ret.), was in charge of all US military intelligence during his career, Dennis Cimino was the Navy's top electronic's "trouble shooter" and is among the most knowledgeable experts I know about technical aspects of 9/11.Between my interview with the general (about the faking of all four "crash sites") and this interview with Dennis Cimino (about who was responsible and why), the public has access to about 95% of what is known about the events of 9/11, which were brought to us compliments of the CIA, the Neo-Cons in the Department of Defense, and the Mossad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR87VIaL0sw 2 hr. interview

judy wood cannot explain the crater by her hypothesis.

9/11 Science: Craters and Explosive Damage

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06...-soil-surface/

[idiit]

9/11: Planes/No Planes and “Video Fakery”

During the research I have done on this question, some of the most important reasons to question the use of planes on 9/11 are (1) that Flights 11 and 77 were not even scheduled to fly that day and, (2) that, according to FAA Registration records I have in hand, the planes corresponding to Flights 93 and 175 were not deregistered until 28 September 2005, which raises the questions, “How can planes that were not in the air have crashed on 9/11?” and “How can planes that crashed on 9/11 have still been in the air four years later?” We have studies (3) by Elias Davidsson demonstrating that the government has never been able to prove that any of the alleged “hijackers” were aboard any of those planes and research (4) by A.K. Dewdney and by David Ray Griffin demonstrating that the purported phone calls from those planes were faked. And (5), as Col. George Nelson, USAF (ret.) has observed, although there are millions of uniquely identifiable components of those four planes, the government has yet to produce even one

The first to notice that American Airlines Flights 11 and 77 were not even scheduled to fly on 9/11 was the brilliant Australian blues musician, Gerard Holmgren, who was interviewed by David West on 27 June 2005. Others, such as Nick Kollerstrom, “9 Keys to 9/11”, have also reported the same difficulty with the government’s official account. If AA Flight 11 did not even take off from Boston’s Logan Airport on the morning of 9/11, then it cannot possibly have hit the North Tower around the 96th floor at 0846 hours and thereby brought about the death of its 92 passengers. And if AA Flight 77 did not take off from Dulles International on the morning of 9/11, then it, also, cannot have crashed into the Pentagon at 0940 hours and thereby brought about the death of its 64 passengers. Yet that is what the data that Holmgren discovered in the Bureau of Transportation Statistics shows to have been the case. In his new book, 9/11: ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC (2011), Edward Hendrie has published the data tables for both of these alleged flights, where it turns out that the BTS subsequently revised their tables with partial data in order to cover up their absence. For Flight 77, for example:

Even more surprisingly, however, Pilots has also determined that United Flight 175 was in the air in the vicinity of Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, PA, at the time it was purportedly crashing into the South Tower in New York City. This may come as quite a shock to those who watched as it entered the South Tower on television. Indeed, when an FBI official was asked why the NTSB, for the first time in its history, had not investigated any of these four crashes, he replied that it wasn’t necessary “because we saw them on television”. Well, we didn’t see the Shanksville crash or the Pentagon crash on TV, which leaves us wondering what we did see on television on 9/11.

lots more in a very detailed analysis from jim fetzer:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05...-video-fakery/

[observer]

The only "crator" at the WTC was the missing area under the building. There were several levels of structure BELOW GRADE that included shopping areas, causeways, and subway tunnels; it was all there before the tower collapse. There was no specific "crator" below these levels.

Dr. Wood's description of a "high energy weapon" caused more than 90% of the structure to turn into dust. That would include the several levels of structure under the building as well. These below grade levels were an integral part of the structure. The remaining debris simply fell into the hole that was created when the entire building was converted to dust with a high energy weapon.

There was also volumes of thermite residue documented.

Follow the evidence.

[idiit]

there was a huge/deep melted granite crater in the nearly solid granite bedrock under the twin towers. here's a googled "melted granite 9/11" search result:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...granite+9%2F11

lots of images to look at.

AMERICA'S DIRTY NUCLEAR SECRET, THE MELTED GRANITE CRATER AT "GROUND ZERO" BENEATH THE WORLD TRADE CENTER

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/02...ear-terrorism/

the myth that there was no melted granite ( glassined) at the twin towers site is refuted by many many articles and documented by pics.

[Selkie]

I don't think nukes did this,



or this,



or this,



or this,



http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/D...WarsBeam4.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
for those of you who watched the first video, at 22:30 he states in the bible, the Prophecy of Elam, it is written God is going to re-establish his throne in Elam, which is modern day Kurdistan in Iran stretching to it's capital in Erbil Iraq. my Bro-in-Law Barzan's family was Kurdistan's Monarch who was from this region.

Through Divine Destiny, David a non-bloodline King currently sits on Kurdistan's throne...

Kerry did good bringing this forward, many of you have heard me speak of Kurdistan over the years, he does a very good job of explaining how all of this ties together.

an hour after posting this last night a 6.6 slammed south of us in Mexico

local time: 02:14:12.3 2015-09-13

that's about when I fell asleep after posting it, when my Spirit/subconscious took over...

it's kinda scary being me...

[idiit]

I don't think nukes did this,

I posted links to the granite bedrock glassined.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/02...ear-terrorism/

^ here's one. scroll down 15% to the picture. judy wood's hypothesis nor "high octane diesel aka jet fuel" can do this to granite bedrock.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Or, as with the most excellent and all-too-real second Captain America movie, maybe the octopus is a Hydra, with many heads. It's like asking who wanted JFK removed. There may have been many factions all in agreement, for different but aligned reasons.

Well said,

This is why there had to be no mistakes on that day with all these factions involved. There were indeed many mistakes but all in all the towers fell and the world was stunned. Job done.
I do believe they had extra planes just in case one missed one of the towers.

Same with JFK, so many mistakes but world is stunned and job is done.
But if those shots kept missing like they did, I wouldn't be surprised if they would of just stopped the car and a guy just pulls out a shot gun and jumps on the bonnet and blasts JFK's head clean off and then himself... maybe this was plan F, but one thing we do know. They had to happen on those specific dates.

[observer]

From here:

"....the lighter the color of the rock, the lower the melting point. More generally, lava is typically between 900 and 1200C (1600F to 2200F).. say about the temperature of molten iron (1200C) , but not as hot as steel (1400C [or 2552F])...."

Iron Oxide Thermite burns at about 2500 C, or 4532 F, temperatures far in excess of the melting point of most rock.

What brought-down the towers is a complex issue, but documented evidence found at the site indicates thermite residue was discovered in quantities.

It is known that, for several months prior to 9/11, "renovations" that included new fireproofing to the steel members was ongoing. Many researchers conclude that this was when a thermite-based coating was applied to the structure.

Additionally, the temperatures reached by a "directed energy weapon" - such as the one suggested by Dr. Judy Wood - are unknown. However, consider the fact that paint was burned off parked cars several blocks from the site, and 90% of the structure was turned to dust, and then speculate what temperatures might have been reached by a directed energy weapon.

From my point of view, using information from Veterans Today as evidence in an argument is dubious at best.

Watch the Judy Wood Video, "Where Did The Towers Go", and then get back to us.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RqbcsU0_RjU

[araucaria]

We remember the Conan Doyle story of the hound of Baskerville that did not bark. Two of the biggest, IMO, issues raised by Judy Wood and seldom mentioned elsewhere are things that didn’t happen on 911.
One is the ‘Bathtub’: the 20 metre-deep concrete box that served as the WTC foundations. There were fears of damage to it that would cause the Hudson River to flood the area and indeed the entire NY subway system. These fears proved ungrounded. Hence Wood’s end list of 43 unexplained FACTS includes #29 and #30:

29. FACT: The method of destruction in the case of each tower minimized damage to the bathtub and adjacent buildings, whereas terrorists would have been expected to maximize damage, including that of infrastructure.
30. FACT: The protective bathtub was not significantly damaged by the destruction of the Twin Towers.

What a wasted opportunity to cause huge loss of life and destruction. But this is possibly nothing compared to the potential loss of life and destruction from the other unmentioned event: Hurricane Erin: “On the morning of September 11, the storm stopped at its closest approach to New York City, then in the afternoon it veered dramatically to the east“ (Wood, p. 396; her emphasis). This hurricane makes #1 on the fact list:

1. FACT: Although Hurricane Erin was located just off Long Island throughout the day of 9/11/01, both the approach in days before and the presence of the storm on that day went almost totally unreported. Hurricane Erin was omitted on the morning weather map, even though that portion of the Atlantic Ocean where she stood was covered by the map. Astronauts gazing down said they could see the drifting plume from the destruction of WTC2 and WTC1 but made no mention of the highly visible Erin. WHY?

Erin was heading straight for New York City until the morning of 911 when it made a 90-degree turn, the midpoint of which and closest to the city was at 8:46 a.m. (WTC1 being holed at 8:46:26).
Here is a map from Wood’s p. 410:

I am not interested (at least not right now) in where the technical discussion goes on this issue, beyond the simple fact of two synchronous events. We are way beyond coincidence here: if there were no connection, then hurricane warnings would have been issued. If we rule out coincidence, this points to some cause-and-effect influence: either the plane hitting WTC1 diverted the hurricane (how would it do that?) or the hurricane was somehow harnessed to carry out the attacks. Work out how it was done by all means, but this fact alone is proof that the terrorism we are dealing with is not the failed-Cessna-pilot-with-boxcutter variety but state-level terrorism with weather control at its fingertips.

[ThePythonicCow]

It's unfortunate, in my view, that Judy Wood got interested in what could have been the mechanism used to dustify the towers and in speculations regarding the use of directed energy.

Her book Where Did the Towers Go? is an important compilation of evidence of what actually happened to the towers, with a preponderance of evidence and a minimum of speculation ... until she gets to the directed energy part, and then the ratio reverses. I suspect that she's right about the directed energy involvement, but there's a dearth of evidence in the public domain, which makes it easy to ridicule and discount such discussions, and casts a pale over the bulk of her work, which provides invaluable evidence of what actually happened.

I recommend reading her book and studying the many images - look for yourself - skip the directed energy parts - just look at the buildings explode into fine dust and a few high velocity ejected large steel beams - all in the space of about 10 seconds per building.

Thermite simply doesn't explain that ... it lacks the extreme power generation required (power being rate of energy production) in those 10 seconds per building, and the sustained heat generation beneath the pile for months following.

There may or may not have even been any thermite involved - the claims I've seen lacked an adequate chain of evidence and passed through experts such as Stephen Jones who have been notorious for their work for the dark side. But that doesn't matter ... if thermite was present, it could have only played a minor supporting role.

Something, using physics and mechanisms that are not well known in the public domain, dustified those buildings.

The smaller the particles you break something into, the more bonds have to be broken, and the more energy is required. Converting 100 million tons of steel and concrete to mostly fine dust in 10 + 10 == 20 seconds requires an incredible amount of energy, very fast ... extreme power.

(I use the words "energy" and "power" above in the sense that I learned in physics courses.)

[observer]

As a clarification of a point, in comment #53, I was not suggesting thermite was the primary culprit, rather I believe thermite was left to contaminate the trail of evidence to divert attention away from the primary culprit.

The mention of thermite was to show that, if it had been a 'thermite job', than thermite alone would have been enough to melt the foundational rock.

The fact that the 'bathtub' envelope was not penetrated suggests an obvious trail of evidence of a 'directed energy weapon', although, I have no idea how that would work.

Additionally, it lessens the likelihood of any sort of nuclear device. Even the smallest nuclear package would have done damage to the structural integrity of the "bathtub", and it would have sent a mushroom cloud high into the atmosphere. This nuclear cloud is the fingerprint of a nuclear detonation. These simply didn't happen.

Despite the flaws that Paul has pointed-out in parts of Dr. Judy Wood's thesis, directed energy weapons must have been what was deployed.

No one, outside of the break-away civilization behind 9/11, has any access to such data on a directed energy weapon.

[Rocky_Shorz]

no Annyversary of 9/11 thread would be complete, without a video of the first plane hitting the twin towers, click the blue arrow for a previous discussion going over details of thermo nukes...

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
we've all seen the street workers video of the first plane hit, but I ran across this one which is from a different angle, the explosion looks huge compared to the other video...

can you tell if this one has the unit attached under the belly?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UxTB3B3XPEI

at 42 secs, the back blew out before the plane finished hitting...

Wow! That's not the second plane hitting the south tower. That's the first plane, hitting the north tower (as you noted). It is taken from across the Hudson river, so the north tower, the one with the radio tower, is to the left. The sun (9 AM in the morning) is shining on the south side (the right side) of each tower, and the west side (left side from this view) is still in the shadow.

This is only the second video I have ever seen of the first, north tower, impact. The first such video being a well known shot by the French Naudet brothers film crew, while shooting a documentary from the streets of Manhattan.

Here are six still frames from the point right around the impact, extracted from the above video.

The resolution is too poor to identify the flying object, but it is about the right length for the American Airlines Flight 11 Boeing 767-223ER that supposedly hit the north tower. Such a plane is 160 feet long, and each twin tower was 64 meters on a side so had about a 150 foot diagonal.

The erupting explosion does indeed happen quickly, seemingly too quickly.

Here is a still from the better known video shot by Jules Naudet:

[observer]

"DUSTIFICATION"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lb2i8R5YlRk

Thermite doesn't cause this....

[mgray]

Taking a quick scan of the thread the 4 questions posed have not been dealt with. I guess they are more difficult than I thought.

[heyokah]

Posted by mgray (here)
Taking a quick scan of the thread the 4 questions posed have not been dealt with. I guess they are more difficult than I thought.

I will take the effort to repeat your questions.

1. What brought down WTC 7 some 8 hours after the planes hit the tower?
2. What hit the Pentagon?
3. Why did “The Pile” burn for 6 months afterward if 90% of the contents of the buildings evaporated into dust on the day of the attack?
3.In a “follow the money” scenario, who gained from the 9/11 attacks?

How about post #20 and #42 ? As far as your point 4, to start with.....

Yes, watching long videos takes some courage, I know

[transiten]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
Yesterday I was talking with someone about the 33 bloodlines, about how Turkey is attacking Kurdistan and how #isis was created for the purpose of stealing ancient artifacts to make the history of Kurdistan and the beginning of Jewish religion disappear.

We spoke of 9/11 and everyone involved from Cheney, Bush, Israel and Saudi Arabia were behind these attacks to bring the middle east to the point it is now.

I said I was very disappointed in Islam and the Leaders of Mecca for causing all of these problems, their King knows I was depending on them to bring the main religions together...

Today a friend here on Avalon sent me a link to the interviews Kerry did with a Kurd...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dm65i1eQpCY

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ycEx1BNAB7Y

Everything I had spoke of...

now I just ran across the story, of Mecca getting hit by lightning...

without anything here in black and white, we will never know if 1 hour before this strike was when I was speaking of being disappointed with Islam...



When I demanded the Catholic Church make changes, the Pope resigned immediately after, and the Vatican was hit an hour later...

ET's are surrounding us, we are approaching a critical moment, the reason we are all gathered... We have been waiting a few thousand years, how many billions of years have they been waiting?

I was going to bring the 33 bloodline thread back to the surface to continue where it was left for years, time to revisit so much we have discussed before... but it is closed, so I am stepping in here...

this happened on the 14th anniversary of 9/11 7+7 107 Killed, another 7, just a coincidence?

The Catholic Church has been struck, Mecca has been struck, God demands the world religions comes together...

so many faithful with signs they have all been watching for, walking blind...

what will it take to wake up this world, two of the top religions have been struck, at their most holiest of spots...

all that remains is Israel...

3 religions, one God and all these wars because each think theirs is best.

It's time for change.

“His lightning lights up the world; the earth sees and trembles.” Psalm 97:4

yesterday, on the 14th anniversary of 9/11, this photo was taken over the twin towers location.



World leaders are meeting this month

the Will of God is Peace



Tomb of the Virgin Mary in Murree Pakistan

Thankyou Rocky! Just commented on this in Camilos thread https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...99146wondering why noone had mentioned this incredible synchronicity of the Mecca accident up til then and now I find this! Nowhere in Swedsih mainstream media there's been mentioned that it was a lightning that struck! (Only bad weather and rain) Just like in the Vatican! Suppose David Wilcock will mention this next time in his blog since he's the only one whistleblowing I know of taking Synchronicity into consideration while history evolves.

As I came back to the Forum I posted in The Here and Now thread wondering what orthodox Muslims might think of this? Will they think they are being punished by Allah?

Yesterday a Muslim from Sweden was interviewed on radio about him going to Mecca. He then said he was saying goodbye to his children since he would never be sure he would come back if Allah had decided for him to die Does this mean orthodox muslims are just accepting this "acccident" as Allahs Will and not questionning why they are being punished; like an orthodox Christian or a Jew would most likely do?