Hating on the NWO...

[Teakai]

It's been my observation that sometimes the assumption is that if you speak about the nwo in a negative way, then you must hate them.

I see the nwo as an idea that needs to be overcome - and that we have a right to overcome it.

And I consider the people who are taking part in it as being extremely misled.

But I don't hate anyone, or even dislike them - and I was wondering about the feelings of others here.

Edited to add - by 'nwo' I mean the 'nwo' that George W bush and Obama are talking about.

[Carmody]

It's the same spread as usual.

I know (one is dead now) two 32nd degree masons, one 14th and another.. I've no idea of his rank.

One was a real serious piece of work (32nd), and the others are good people.

As usual, most people don't look too far past the label on the package or box.

The one who's rank I don't know, was tasked with keeping an eye on me, AFAIK. He is an intelligent and capable man, but I think his fear has overcome his intellect to some degree..and he sees danger, death, and endings...where I see opening, change, and freedom.

One quit the Freemasons in absolute disgust, even though he was a 'lifer'.

What does this have to do with the NWO? I'm not sure. Just one part of the puzzle.

It's a complex web (the NWO and the people 'in it') made up of pre-conceived notions -more than anything else... in my experience.

[ScubaMonkey]

In principle a NWO, one world government etc isn't a bad idea. They way "they" want to get there and their reasons why however is the problem.

[Teakai]

Posted by ScubaMonkey (here)
In principle a NWO, one world government etc isn't a bad idea. They way "they" want to get there and their reasons why however is the problem.

Thanks for voting, ScubaMonkey You're my first poll participator (apart from me)

I think a one world government might be a good thing - but you'd want everyone in it to be perfectly reasoned and not at all egotistacal and self serving and not hungry for power, but have the very best interests and rights for the people it governs at the forefront - and then what is in the best interests of one is not necessarily for another - and I can't thihk of any human with those attrubutes wanting that sort of job.

When it comes to humans unfortunately power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[bluestflame]

that's a good point , there is a real golden age , but the imitation they are offering( as they are clever imitators of what intuitively we sense is close to what feels more fair) is one where they are in charge and feeding off the efforts of the masses

of course , being businessmen they would want to prune the unproductive branches from the tree

just another elaborate form of feudalism , where we're sold the whole idea of soverignty being divinely appointed

I rekon there is a genuine version of golden age , and the elite know this , they're just trying to install thier trojan horse version before we're awake enough to know what's really going on

[DawgBone]

World government is only a good idea if it is genuinely democratic. The US government is essentially corporate fascism with a democratic facade. To what extent is the UK government genuinely democratic?

If we can't succeed on the scale of individual nations, what chance do we have succeeding on a planetary scale?

I'm not at all sure world government is a good idea.

[bluestflame]

the best people for positions of power are the ones that least desire it

[Teakai]

Posted by bluestflame (here)
the best people for positions of power are the ones that least desire it

I absolutely agree, Bluestflame.
Which makes a successfully functioning and fair world government an impossibility.

[ScubaMonkey]

Posted by Teakai (here)
I can't thihk of any human with those attrubutes wanting that sort of job.

I'd do it. I reckon I could run a pretty awesome world

[Arpheus]

I voted I see the nwo order as being the result of society being out of touch with its spirituality.Because that resonates with me.

[Teakai]

Posted by ScubaMonkey (here)
I'd do it. I reckon I could run a pretty awesome world

But would you really, really want to, ScubaMonkey? Have you thought seriously about it?

Because that's a whole lot of crazy people managing to do.
Or would you microchip them and fluoridate them to keep them manageable?
Or would you leave them to their own devices?

[Erin]

I don't think it necessarily is the result of society being out of touch with its spirituality. If anything, that's one of the symptoms of a larger problem.

I think it has to do with power-hungry sociopaths doing anything to get to the top, no matter who gets caught in the crossfire. These types of people can't really be reasoned with or become spiritual because they (biologically) don't have the capacity for empathy.

[ScubaMonkey]

Posted by Teakai (here)
But would you really, really want to, ScubaMonkey? Have you thought seriously about it?

Because that's a whole lot of crazy people managing to do.
Or would you microchip them and fluoridate them to keep them manageable?
Or would you leave them to their own devices?

Lol, I have thought seriously about it and I cant honestly say I would want to do it. I'd give it a shot though if given the chance.

The question about how I'd manage it is a good one. I've asked myself the same thing when trying to understand why the NWO does what it does. Would I take similar sort of action as TPTB are taking all in the name as what I see as the greater good? I mean, one of the scary things we've all read is the plan to have a world population of half a billion. That means an awful lot of people dying, which is not acceptable. Then I think about how there is ultimately a limit to how many people a planet can support. How the hell would I solve that problem!

Although I hate to say it, I can't honestly say wouldn't end up doing some of the things TPTB are doing or have planned. That right there is probably a good argument for why I shouldn't get the job.

...But I promise, I'd be a good, kind and loving dictator, not like them other despots!

[Teakai]

Posted by cosmiclagoon (here)
I don't think it necessarily is the result of society being out of touch with its spirituality. If anything, that's one of the symptoms of a larger problem.

I think it has to do with power-hungry sociopaths doing anything to get to the top, no matter who gets caught in the crossfire. These types of people can't really be reasoned with or become spiritual because they (biologically) don't have the capacity for empathy.

I agree partly with what you're saying, Cosmiclagoon - but we, as a society have allowed it to happen. Whether it be through distraction, or apathy, or ignorance. We have become a selfish self centred society which cares only for it's immediate well being above all, and within that it's own particular personal interests.
True, this has been brought about by the nwo manipulating us. Manipulating us with things like television and fluorodating the water and an education system which indoctrinates it's pupils to obey the system.

They took away the truth and replaced it with a lie - but we let them do it. Slowly and inevitably we slipped from living as soul to living as ego. And that's how they ultimately control us - through ego and it's fears. And it's our choice to allow it - or not.

[Teakai]

Posted by ScubaMonkey (here)
Lol, I have thought seriously about it and I cant honestly say I would want to do it. I'd give it a shot though if given the chance.

The question about how I'd manage it is a good one. I've asked myself the same thing when trying to understand why the NWO does what it does. Would I take similar sort of action as TPTB are taking all in the name as what I see as the greater good? I mean, one of the scary things we've all read is the plan to have a world population of half a billion. That means an awful lot of people dying, which is not acceptable. Then I think about how there is ultimately a limit to how many people a planet can support. How the hell would I solve that problem!

Although I hate to say it, I can't honestly say wouldn't end up doing some of the things TPTB are doing or have planned. That right there is probably a good argument for why I shouldn't get the job.

...But I promise, I'd be a good, kind and loving dictator, not like them other despots!

Ah, OK ScubaMonkey, seeing as your promised. I'll vote for you.
How much will you be asking as salary?

I know what you mean - I'd started a list of stuff to ask you what you'd do about it - but I srcapped it because I was starting to understand the 'nwo'.

Of course, their bottom line is greed and control, and they have secret societies and are paedophiles and are pretty much a total mess - but still, it would suck to try and manage the world.
Which is why I wouldnt want to.

[norman]

I voted for "other".

I almost voted for 'hate' because it looked like the biggest condemnation I could give but it's not hate. It's fear. They push my fear button. I think I can put all my mental difficulties down to those bloodliners and their deceptions that have cognitively decapitated the human mind so severely that it's a miracle if anyone can reach maturity in a healthy balanced and properly informed way.

The general idea of getting to a stage where all people on earth can get it together as one sane expression of living functionality and love is very attractive but we can only get there from here if we invert the mind set that, for example, my brother has, that the world is and always has been a viscous jungle and that it's only been for a very short time recently that we've had the luxury of thinking it was anything else. The ruling class of the world seem to firmly believe that too which gives cause to their ideas about how to run things.

We can't replace those ruling class decision makers with anything better until we can move to a different mind set that's based on a completely different interpersonal dynamic. Money, barter, trade all lead to separation and distrust. That all leads to precautionary behaviour and structures and so the rot sets in. It's NOT money that's " the root of all evil", it's trade or barter ( which money replaced ) that reveals the error in our attempt to fulfill outwardly and societally what we feel in our hearts for our near and dear ones. If you can still form a tribe you can still turn the world back into a jungle. ( actually I'd quite like more jungle, but that's a different matter )

No, these NWO people are fully committed to the idea that humans are selfish beasts who are only worth the candle if they can be exploited. If we got rid of them tomorrow and didn't do anything about the way they have formed us over many generations, there would be a bunch of crooks back in charge within a week.

When we come into this world we are lied to immediately and the discovery of that lie breaks our little hearts very early in life. WHY!?... do we tell almost every little westerner child that an old guy with a red coat and a white beard comes down the chimney at Christmas and leaves them presents. That's a diabolical lie and totally damages the child's trust from that point on.

The NWO people are doing exactly the same thing to all of us now. When are we going grow up and realise that there is no such thing as Father Christmas and we are not going to continue this horrible damaging practice with the next generations. It may be too late for our generation to recover fully from the damage we've had done to us but we should try very hard to get it out of the biological and emotional inheritance we pass on to our descendants.

Yes the NWO is a bad bunch of crooks and yes they have to be rooted out of our lives for ever, but, we then have to do a hell of a lot of hard work shifting away from where they have put us as people or we will immediately replace them with something just as bad.

[Teakai]

Norman, that is such synchronicity - I was only just thinking about my sister and how she has fallen into the trap of believing the world has always been and will always be as she has known it.

I agree that it's going to take one heck of a massive mindshift to change the mass hypnosis of society. I wonder if it will be step by step, this happens, and a few wake up, but not enough, so another thing happens,and a few more wake up, but not enough, so the next step happens until we finally get it in a big enough percentage to actually make a difference - or we go under.

I do wonder if they are an essential part of our spiritual awakening (although I answered C because I'm pretty certain of that)
I think in this physical dimension there will always be the negative and the positive forces, because without them there would be no challenge, no growth or learning.
So, yes, unless we are ever alert and in touch with truth the next greedy bunch of sods with control freak tendencies will try and pull the wool over our eyes for their own selfish ego driven ends.

I was thinking about the money thing, too. Money is pretty much a form that people have agree to a value on in replacemnet of barter. I think the problem arises with inflation and interest. If it maintained it's agreed value from the get go - then we wouldn't have this problem. Only greed has become the bottom line that drives our society. So, I agree with the saying that it's the love of money that is the root of all evil.

And I agree very much with the lies we tell our children. We perpetuate our brainwashing - and yet within all of us is the voice of reason and truth - if we would only listen to it and use it.

Yep, it's a biggy, alright.

[Erin]

Posted by Teakai (here)
I agree partly with what you're saying, Cosmiclagoon - but we, as a society have allowed it to happen. Whether it be through distraction, or apathy, or ignorance. We have become a selfish self centred society which cares only for it's immediate well being above all, and within that it's own particular personal interests.
True, this has been brought about by the nwo manipulating us. Manipulating us with things like television and fluorodating the water and an education system which indoctrinates it's pupils to obey the system.

They took away the truth and replaced it with a lie - but we let them do it. Slowly and inevitably we slipped from living as soul to living as ego. And that's how they ultimately control us - through ego and it's fears. And it's our choice to allow it - or not.

This is true. I suppose the two things work in tandem with each other - a vicious cycle, of sorts. Hopefully it's coming to an end, though.

[Teakai]

Posted by cosmiclagoon (here)
This is true. I suppose the two things work in tandem with each other - a vicious cycle, of sorts. Hopefully it's coming to an end, though.

I hope so too, Cosmiclagoon. Now that I see it for what it really is I can see the rot that is at the root of our society and I don't want it.

Even if the organised version of the nwo fails - I think society as a whole has to take a giant shift in a completely different direction.

And I don't think we're going to do that without some major stimuli.

[Etherios]

Well let me ask you one question... Is the society out of touch or they manipulated the society to become out of touch?

Let me remind you ... They messed up/control the schools - They messed up/control the media - etc

You really think that the society we have atm is a normal process? I am 100% sure that the current human society is a twisted and wierd contraption to make loose your spirituality. I stopped believing in coincidence some years ago :-P