Hating on the NWO...

[Teakai]

Posted by Etherios (here)
Well let me ask you one question... Is the society out of touch or they manipulated the society to become out of touch?

Let me remind you ... They messed up/control the schools - They messed up/control the media - etc

You really think that the society we have atm is a normal process? I am 100% sure that the current human society is a twisted and wierd contraption to make loose your spirituality. I stopped believing in coincidence some years ago :-P

Both.

I agree with what you're saying, Etherios. Despite the manipulation - you are aware that we're out of touch.
Why isn't everyone capable of that awareness if they make the choice to become aware?

[Etherios]

Why? i really think its the fear of being an outcast... primitive social behavior??? Also its easier to just ignore it than working to achieve this is a "hostile" enviroment ...


I am not an expert but this is what makes me mad... the concept of mass. I have heard it in my family and near families " If everyone is saying/doing it its real/corect " or " I dont care what happens IF it happens to all " ... i am so irritated by this cattle thinking :-(

[Teakai]

Posted by Etherios (here)
Why? i really think its the fear of being an outcast... primitive social behavior??? Also its easier to just ignore it than working to achieve this is a "hostile" enviroment ...


I am not an expert but this is what makes me mad... the concept of mass. I have heard it in my family and near families " If everyone is saying/doing it its real/corect " or " I dont care what happens IF it happens to all " ... i am so irritated by this cattle thinking :-(

I agree, again, Etherios.
But it's their choice. Nobody is forcing them, they are submitting. Giving up their own particular truths in sacrifice to not being singled out and pointed at.
Living from the lower/reptillian brain rather than the higher brain.
Yet everyone has a whole brain.

They are controlled through ego - which is a lower brain survival mechanism.

Our mind is our responsibility, we need to take charge of it - or someone will take charge of it for us.

I like the saying: Many tongues speaking the same falsehood does not make it a truth.

[Etherios]

Posted by Teakai (here)
I like the saying: Many tongues speaking the same falsehood does not make it a truth.

I LOVE THIS saying :-P excatly at the point... i mean if you ask them who said this to be truth they will say everyone... if you continue to ask you will NEVER find the person that actually really knows about it... its a rumor that we have NO idea who started and for what reasons.

Say something no matter how stupid ... then add the fact that someone "no able to find aka Everyone says" told it and its done deal. Non verifiable info that is based on you believe it or not ... winner...

Anyway this is too close to my life and gets me pumped up sorry.

[Bill Ryan]

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In my opinion, 'Hate' isn't a useful word to use here.

Always remember: Hate and Fear are closely related.

I oppose the NWO agenda, and intend to turn it around: but I don't hate anyone. To some degree, I feel I understand the NWO thinking: what they are trying to do and why. (It may not be not what you think; but this is a separate conversation.)

Every unethical act is an attempt to solve a perceived problem. That includes robbing an elderly person, dropping the bomb on Hiroshima, killing millions of Jews in WWII, or blowing up a planet.

But some 'solutions' are not very wise - and just create the next problem.

The spiritual beings who get into a habit of solving problems in these ways need to be turned around and transformed... not hated.

Because then the fact that people hate them becomes the next problem that they have to solve - and you can bet they might not handle that very wisely either.

[jackovesk]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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In my opinion, 'Hate' isn't a useful word to use here.

Always remember: Hate and Fear are closely related.

I oppose the NWO agenda, and intend to turn it around: but I don't hate anyone. To some degree, I feel I understand the NWO thinking: what they are trying to do and why. (It may not be not what you think; but this is a separate conversation.)

Every unethical act is an attempt to solve a perceived problem. That includes robbing an elderly person, dropping the bomb on Hiroshima, killing millions of Jews in WWII, or blowing up a planet.

But some 'solutions' are not very wise - and just create the next problem.

The spiritual beings who get into a habit of solving problems in these ways need to be turned around and transformed... not hated.

Because then the fact that people hate them becomes the next problem that they have to solve - and you can bet they might not handle that very wisely either.

Forgive me Bill, I ticked the "I hate the NWO and it's instigators and their cunning and manipulative ways Box.

Why? Because, I am Sick & Tired of trying to defend my fellow so called human beings, since WWI who think it's OK to slaughter over 10 Million innocent Men, Women & Children to justify their very existence to remain rulers over all of us!

Hate is a Powerful Word I Agree, but I am not into the Peace, New Age Love Crap that gets pushed upon us by the very Elite who have infiltrated the New Age movement every time they want to be percieved as the PeaceMaker!

Enough is Enough!

I stand beside all the Innocent Victims of UNWARRANTED WAR and their friends and relatives who suffer for the rest of their lives without even getting the chance to say Goodbye!

The Poll gave us 5 Options...

1. I hate the nwo and it's instigators and their cunning and manipulative ways.
2. I view the nwo as being a necessary catalyst to my spiritual awakening.
3. I see the nwo order as being the result of society being out of touch with its spirituality.
4. I think the nwo is in general a good idea - the world is full of fools who need controlling.
5. Other.

The one that reasonated to me after all the millions of innocent victims of war was the 1st One, I understand it was loaded with the "Hate" word!

I see the word HATE as KARMA/JUSTICE and oppose those who are capable of inflicting so much Pain on others!

If Humanity won't stand up for INJUSTICE no-one will..!

Unfortunately these days if we accept the NWO and don't stop their Insideous/Psychopathic Agenda we will end up in slaughterhouses just like the jews did in WWII!

[Erin]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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In my opinion, 'Hate' isn't a useful word to use here.

Always remember: Hate and Fear are closely related.

I oppose the NWO agenda, and intend to turn it around: but I don't hate anyone. To some degree, I feel I understand the NWO thinking: what they are trying to do and why. (It may not be not what you think; but this is a separate conversation.)

Every unethical act is an attempt to solve a perceived problem. That includes robbing an elderly person, dropping the bomb on Hiroshima, killing millions of Jews in WWII, or blowing up a planet.

But some 'solutions' are not very wise - and just create the next problem.

The spiritual beings who get into a habit of solving problems in these ways need to be turned around and transformed... not hated.

Because then the fact that people hate them becomes the next problem that they have to solve - and you can bet they might not handle that very wisely either.

For me I "hate" the situation that we're in, and the actions that led us here as opposed to the people behind it (though I wouldn't say I "like" those people, lol. I guess I just don't actively "hate" them).

In screenwriting we learn that everyone is the hero of their own story. Following the same logic, I feel that many of the people in the NWO must consider themselves "heroes" of humanity. They are misguided, obviously. And obviously this does not apply to everyone in the NWO (as I said before, many are sociopaths and have no capacity for empathy).

But yes, I agree. I think that "hate" can often hold us back than move us forward - especially if we want to try and help some of these non-sociopathic NWO types become white hats or whatever.

[Carmody]

That is true, IMO and IME. You will receive or gain a limited set of new paths or plateaus if the idea of (and the word) 'hate' exists in your sphere of life. Change is internal not external, in some quite important ways.

I had a discussion with a 'near' Billionaire, a few years back, on what constitutes right behavior. He was a good man, who engaged in the game of the stock markets and all that such thing entail. He assuaged his sense of what is right by using portions of that money to build Buddhist centers.

I said that the inner self must be fixed first so that one can then project correctly into the world.

He said, no, help others first.

Then he ran away before I could get even one more word in. Such is life!

[Zook]

Good morning Carmody, the Earth says hello!

Posted by Carmody (here)
That is true, IMO and IME. You will receive or gain a limited set of new paths or plateaus if the idea of (and the word) 'hate' exists in your sphere of life. Change is internal not external, in some quite important ways.
I had a discussion with a 'near' Billionaire, a few years back, on what constitutes right behavior. He was a good man, who engaged in the game of the stock markets and all that such thing entail. He assuaged his sense of what is right by using portions of that money to build Buddhist centers.
I said that the inner self must be fixed first so that one can then project correctly into the world.
He said, no, help others first.
Then he ran away before I could get even one more word in. Such is life!

Any man playing the game of stocks at or near the gigabucks level can only be a man of dubious integrity, IMHO. A good man, he may appear to you and I ... but good men never arrive on blood trains. And the stock game is a blood train, make no mistake about it. Many innocent passengers (e.g. the adagial minute-birthed suckers) taken for a maglev ride and off-railed (so to speak) so that vultures can drop in and feed on the carcasses. To wit, no one gets that rich via stock ticker without engaging in unscrupulous activities (e.g. currency speculation; junk bonds; insider trading; etc.).

The putative Christian sinner goes to church on Sunday and attends to sins Monday to Saturday. A billionaire sinner? Buddhist temples from blood trains ... is one way to deflect the emptiness within. MHO,OC.



ps: The appearance of charity is one the great camouflages of modern times!

[Zook]

Good morning Jackovesk, the Earth says hello!

Posted by jackovesk (here)
Forgive me Bill, I ticked the "I hate the NWO and it's instigators and their cunning and manipulative ways Box.

Why? Because, I am Sick & Tired of trying to defend my fellow so called human beings, since WWI who think it's OK to slaughter over 10 Million innocent Men, Women & Children to justify their very existence to remain rulers over all of us!
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Couldn't agree more. There's much truth in what Bill says, don't get me wrong ... but the word hate is often misunderstood in the politically charged discourses of our day.

My view is this. Love/Hate ... Peace/War ... Pleasure/Pain ... these are dyadic relations, with each relation being an isomorphism of the two others. Question begs? Are there just wars? Just pains? If the answer is yes; then, too, there are just hates. Just war? Well, the American Revolution was a just war, the facts would forcefully argue (e.g. the colonials fighting back against the Bank of England to retain the fruits of their blood and sweat). Just pain? The labor pains endured by the about-to-be mother ... who would argue that this isn't justified pain, certainly not the mother (well, with the possible exception of mine)?


Justified hate? Intriguing concept isn't it?

IMHO, hate is synonymous with justice (e.g. dharmam) when it is properly oriented. There are many justified reasons to hate the NWO. To hate the psychopaths of TBastardsTB (e.g. the parallel killers who've slaughtered tens of millions in the past half-century alone via unjust wars, engineered vaccines, and manufactured hunger). Humble opinions all around.

[Luke]

I do not like concept of hate .. it always creates opposite and equal in force reaction, which is actually a positive outcome for anyone pushing his version of "greater good".

And this is the problem.. "greater good" is soooo big concept that from various perspectives you can fit anything in it.

For example, we see people who made a model of earth resources and population, and concluded that current levels of population are unsustainable, given current technology. In order to protect mankind, there is urgent need to cull down population to sustainable level of about 500 million. "Greater Good" isn't it?

And such thinking, based on idea one have right to control the lives of others, we see in great many other attempts I brand NWO ..
Which include things lie Venus project for example, or any other attempt to forcefully organize behaviour of all beings on this planet (humans are but part of it .. we're talking whole ecosystem!)

There are of course levels of delusion involved, including spiritual delusions.

After all what we experience in material is but a reflections of processes and decisions on much more "etheric"/timeless level .. and I'm sure that the most clever beings involved in "NWO" schemes are pretty aware of that. They know both Rules and Reasons, and chosen accordingly. And so did we.

It all boils down to allowance, actually. The moment we allow ourselves to decide about lives of others, we allow Others to decide about our lives. .. and thus control structures emerge, created by fear of what others will do .. but seldom thought out as the reverse will apply with equal force. Welcome to our mess called the Life

(that would be "other" I guess)

[RedeZra]

the NWO or the Globelites represent and worship demonic dark forces


I do not hate these satanists for having succumbed to the lawless one and his vices but I am disgusted with them

I do not hate the humans that just take orders to do their superiors dirty work either but I am disgusted with them


I find no pleasure in soul destruction

[Teakai]

Posted by Etherios (here)
I LOVE THIS saying :-P excatly at the point... i mean if you ask them who said this to be truth they will say everyone... if you continue to ask you will NEVER find the person that actually really knows about it... its a rumor that we have NO idea who started and for what reasons.

Say something no matter how stupid ... then add the fact that someone "no able to find aka Everyone says" told it and its done deal. Non verifiable info that is based on you believe it or not ... winner...

Anyway this is too close to my life and gets me pumped up sorry.

I've pondered that myself more than a few times Etherios. Religious belief particularly really interests me and the way that it can arouse such mindless defence and justification - it's a bit scary actually.

My own personal conclusion is that we are spiritual beings - but being out of touch with our own sense of spirituality some cling - even though it may defy common logic, contradict itself and require unquestioned faith - to that form of spirituality which is offered to them.

I'm also interested in people who have been convinced that their fulfilment can be found in the doctrine of commerce and advertising.

I see it as different sides of the same search for inner fulfilment.

[Teakai]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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In my opinion, 'Hate' isn't a useful word to use here.

Always remember: Hate and Fear are closely related.

I oppose the NWO agenda, and intend to turn it around: but I don't hate anyone. To some degree, I feel I understand the NWO thinking: what they are trying to do and why. (It may not be not what you think; but this is a separate conversation.)

Every unethical act is an attempt to solve a perceived problem. That includes robbing an elderly person, dropping the bomb on Hiroshima, killing millions of Jews in WWII, or blowing up a planet.

But some 'solutions' are not very wise - and just create the next problem.

The spiritual beings who get into a habit of solving problems in these ways need to be turned around and transformed... not hated.

Because then the fact that people hate them becomes the next problem that they have to solve - and you can bet they might not handle that very wisely either.

I have to say I disagree, Bill.

The definition of Hate is:

–verb (used with object)
1. to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
2. to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it.
–verb (used without object)
3. to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility.
–noun
4. intense dislike; extreme aversion or hostility.
5. the object of extreme aversion or hostility.


One can hate animal cruelty. It's not about fear - it's about compassion.
One can hate child abuse. Again - this is about compassion.
One can hate brussel sprouts - but probably eat them and enjoy it if they were starving.

Hate is merely an emotion - the inspiration for that emotion and how one acts on that emotion is an entirely different matter.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Hatred is an emotion, and it's natural, but it's not very helpful. Hatred adds nothing to the resolution of problems, and potentially clouds judgement and otherwise exacerbates problems. Where hatred exists as an aversion to something, it can be useful, but hatred consumes the way fear consumes, and what's worse it can confirm a would-be enemy in his position; compassion, or, if that cannot be managed, a calm pity, are much more disconcerting to one who wants nothing more than your animosity, and that moment of disconcersion could be just enough to turn an agent of the agenda into a whistle-blowing ally.

Seki

[Zook]

Good morning Seikou-Kishi, the Earth says hello!

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
Hatred is an emotion, and it's natural, but it's not very helpful. Hatred adds nothing to the resolution of problems, and potentially clouds judgement and otherwise exacerbates problems.

On the contrary. Hatred is a venom, a natural toxin that preserves the self and paralyzes the nonself. While this toxin can be problematic when used indiscriminately, it is nonetheless a tool that can and should be used against a genuine enemy. Mother Nature would not have endowed us with this particular biochemistry if there wasn't a need for it. Our minds are spiritual; but our bodies are of the third-density. As long as we live in this third density, we must abide the needs of our body. We eat because starvation is the alternative. But do we hate because love is the alternative? Indifference is the alternative? No ... that's absurd. We hate because our body needs to balance its natural chemicals (e.g. endorphins, adrenaline, dopamine, acetylcholine, gamma aminobutyric acid, etc.). For example, when we hear a story in the papers, say, about a serial killer, will you agree that we become upset if we're normal human beings? Sure you will. Our body chemicals go into imbalance. The normal brain does not transcribe this imbalance as love; as compassion; as pity ... it may transcribe as fear and/or anxiety ... but it certainly transcribes as disgust and/or hatred.

Question begs ... is it spiritual lacking when we submit to disgust and/or hatred? Or is it merely body chemistry going into temporary imbalance?

Let me put it simpler ... would we still hate Henry Kissinger if he fell on his knees and begged for forgiveness ... or do we only hate him because he is a psychopath FUBAR, e.g. a rabid wolf that needs to be defanged?

Where hatred exists as an aversion to something, it can be useful, but hatred consumes the way fear consumes, and what's worse it can confirm a would-be enemy in his position; compassion, or, if that cannot be managed, a calm pity, are much more disconcerting to one who wants nothing more than your animosity, and that moment of disconcersion could be just enough to turn an agent of the agenda into a whistle-blowing ally.
Seki

Disconcert (e.g. conscience by any other name) does not appear to exist in sociopaths and psychopaths; and if it does exist, certainly not in any meaningful quantity. Indeed, people susceptible to disconcert don't rise in the existing design of human organization (e.g. the pyramid); they are usually pushed towards the base. So I think this expectation of compassion (or calm pity) - which is a good mental approach in human relations bookended by conscience - is folly when attempted in relations where there is only the one bookend. At best, its naivete.

Hatred may consume as fear consumes ... but then, love consumes as fear consumes. So what exactly are we saying??



ps: We eat because we have to. We love because we have to. We hate because we have to. I really don't think it's a matter of eating, loving and hating on a whim. Whimsical endeavors are luxuries that few are privileged to have. Humble opinions all around (and some asquare).

[RedeZra]

Posted by zookumar (here)
Let me put it simpler ... would we still hate Henry Kissinger if he fell on his knees and begged for forgiveness ... or do we only hate him because he is a psychopath FUBAR, e.g. a rabid wolf that needs to be defanged?

he demands forgiveness once a year at Yom Kippur ; )

[Teakai]

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)
Hatred is an emotion, and it's natural, but it's not very helpful. Hatred adds nothing to the resolution of problems, and potentially clouds judgement and otherwise exacerbates problems. Where hatred exists as an aversion to something, it can be useful, but hatred consumes the way fear consumes, and what's worse it can confirm a would-be enemy in his position; compassion, or, if that cannot be managed, a calm pity, are much more disconcerting to one who wants nothing more than your animosity, and that moment of disconcersion could be just enough to turn an agent of the agenda into a whistle-blowing ally.

Seki

I guess that would depend on how one used the energy of that emotion, Seikou. Sure, some could passionately dislike or detest (=hate) something to the extent that it affected their judgment and they ate themselves away inside or caused much pain to others by dwelling on it.

Our brain is a tool. We can use it. Or we can allow it to use us. I think that's where the difference lies.

If we did not passionately dislike or detest (=hate) say, slavery, or abuses, or any other injustice - then what would inspire us to act in order to remedy such things should the opportunity to do so confront us?

[Orion.V]

Well i could not choose from any of the offered answers so i selected - other.
I can't say i hate the NWO but i certainly dislike it for what they do. HATE is when you are sending negative energy and thoughts to someone or something and you do it constantly that even sometimes leads to obsession with it.
I do not like what they do and how they organize things but from another side it helped many people to hit the brake and start questioning their real intentions and actions, it helps awake people.
The more they do it , the more people awake.

Question is , what is their perception of what they do ? Not everyone shares the same concept and perception of the negative , the evil or the hate.
And this is not only related to the NWO , people inside the government of my country are not part of any NWO but still they tend to do the same things as them, they operate on similar level at the cost and expense of others that do not fit into their world. And yet many times they think they do the right thing. For what ? The greater good ???

Hate and anger can temporarily give people the illusion of power and fighting back but at the end they realize that it comes with a price.
I believe in a positive change. I believe even the worst demon has the capacity to open the heart and find the sense of compassion. I believe in a change through love and compassion, because in my own experience that was the strongest weapon ever above all else.

[Zook]

Good morning Orion.V, the Earth says hello!

Posted by Orion.V (here)
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Hate and anger can temporarily give people the illusion of power and fighting back but at the end they realize that it comes with a price.
I believe in a positive change. I believe even the worst demon has the capacity to open the heart and find the sense of compassion. I believe in a change through love and compassion, because in my own experience that was the strongest weapon ever above all else.

The worst demon must first show signs of rehabilitation, e.g. the capacity to be moved by our compassion. I've seen nothing to suggest that these worst demons are capable of ceasing their demonic ways, or of internalizing our offered compassion to a positive end. Justice (e.g. dharmam) also mandates the balance of crime with punishment. It is not for you or I (of third density) to decide that those many many millions of souls that'd been slaughtered by these demons (e.g. cut from this density) ... that they should be denied justice. IMHO, justice exists in all densities. And third-density justice exists in the third density. It is very much for you and I (of third density) to observe third-density justice in the third density. To turn away from this abiding cosmic principle (e.g. of the three building principles of truth, fairness, and justice) ... is to leave things without balance.

To wit, the first act of the worst demon (e.g that can positively show the rest of us that the demon has turned the worm on evil deeds and is ready to receive - in a meaningful manner - our boundless compassion) ... is that it must submit to justice. In short, teh worst demon must throw itself on the mercies of the very people it has demon-acted against, without condition. Short of that, it does not deserve third-density compassion. Humble opinions all around.



ps: You'll be surprised at how ready most people are to forgive (not forget) if the guilty party admits their guilt ... equally surprised at how quickly the mob can turn to heads on spikes if denied this admission. The calm ocean and the turbulent seas ... for better or worse, these are the voyages in the third density.