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    Default Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

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    Dear Friends,

    I want to start a discussion on the counterculture today.

    I've said many times that we've had two chances before in history to take back the planet.
    • The first was 2,000 years ago, and that was taken over and failed.
    • The second was in the '60s and early '70s. That also failed.
    The third is now. We won't get a fourth chance.

    This thread is inspired by my spending yesterday evening watching videos of Joan Baez in the 60s. I could have gone on to watch protest songs, marches and speeches all night. It was a mighty attempt to wake up the world and take back the planet.

    How are we doing now?

    The internet, which the '60s counterculture never had, is our greatest asset, and also our greatest weakness.

    It's used against us in a myriad ways... to surveil us in depth and detail, and also DISTRACT us. Watching YouTube videos made by other counterculture activists is just more TV. It's informative only to a point, but keeps us as inactive consumers glued to our couches.

    The alternative interview circuit is just as incestuous. We have literally hundreds of radio shows in which the same people are interviewed over and again. Little is actually accomplished.

    At least in the 60s and 70s, the movement was on mainstream TV everywhere. In the words of Disclosure activist Stephen Basset, we've all been herded into a kind of ghetto, and all we do is talk to each other behind walls which the world outside cannot see through. We're afraid of the outside world, and the outside world is afraid of us. That's how ghettos function.

    We feel as if we're busy, and sometimes feel good about ourselves, but most often we're just wheel-spinning. All we're doing, to a large extent, is occupying our time and PREVENTING ourselves from making any real difference.

    I'm even doing this right now. I'm sitting on my computer, pretty much preaching to the choir... I am not out there this morning planting trees.

    The assumed realities of the alternative media are also very worrying. We have to wake up to this... in my strong opinion. Or else we may fail again. This is, for instance, why I
    1. Support the work of Alex Jones and David Icke. They are focused on real-world political realities.
    2. Support the work of Rebekah Roth, whose popular books on 9/11 have reached way outside the ghetto, and are waking up regular members of the public. (They really are. She gets letters every day from Mr and Mrs Everyman, who never knew.)
    But we are (in my opinion) WAY WAY WAY too preoccupied with (and often diverted and distracted by) ethereal concepts like 'Wave X', CERN (I am NOT convinced, at all, that it's anything other than a supercollider), the possible mystical effects of comets and Blood Moons, channeled messages from 'Ascended Masters', unprovable subjective recall and perception, and multidimensional phenomena that may or may not have any reality at all.

    (Coast to Coast AM radio shows these days are usually just about the above, and avoid political reality like a hot potato. Never think that these are anything other than 90% entertainment. Their mission is NOT activism of any kind.)

    And don't let's even start on Blue Avians.

    Joan Baez and Bob Dylan never sung about any of that.

    Do please comment.

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    I think I hear you Bill. I have some new age friends, they won't listen to anything negative and insist that by their thoughts that they can change the world. So they sit still in their homes and take no physical action. Instead they have unfriended me. Everyone is in their own space looking out at the world thru the computer instead of getting off their bottoms and going outside and engaging the world. I was guilty of that too so I don't judge them but boy do I get frustrated.

    I am always delighted when speaking to strangers at how many are open to what I have to say. It is really fun!

    Edit: I've got to the point where I use logic and reasoning instead of feelings when judging anything. I am more interested in facts than the latest disclosure.
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    I agree Jhonie, i been a few days out and got to talk with many people. If i could have those people attention is becouse i learned a lot siting here reading and commenting, asking, etc... Thanks to those discuusions i know have much to tell to someone or from where to start and when to stop... i know those little seeds we plant around will grow ... so i think we shouldn´t compare what was right or better before or after. I believe every avalonian here is spreading the seed sometimes just whit a nice smile. Beside, there is a big difference... we don´t look for confrontation, if we do we loose again...instead we are growing grassroots, it may look like a guetto but that guetto is starting to cover bigger and bigger areas underground untill it´ll reaches all. IMHO we have to respect every way anybody is being at any given time, the only place we have to look is our onw bellys. To me is great to be around, i get batteries charged here.
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote •The second was in the '60s and early '70s. That also failed.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    One thing Bob Dobbs has been saying is according to Ion we are ' re - running'
    the 1960's and this time we must try and get it right, which obviously depends on
    your point of view and where you are on the social pyramid. I 'am not sure when
    this was supposed to begin ? but We have not got off to good start if you begin
    at 9/11 and all the wars and financial and social manipulation right up to
    fighting in Syria , Iraq, Yemen and stand off's in the Ukraine and Palestine.

    On the positive side we have the web, plenty of 'subtle' and innovative disclosure,
    and people are awakening in different ways. Although times were different in the
    1960's as the world seems to run on 'cycles' , generational , financial ( expansion ,
    boom, recession , depression) , emotional cycles of abuse,innovative , inventive
    epoch changes. That have been used to develop and control us probably since ,
    we came into this reality or whichever creation story fits your personal experience.
    As David Icke would say " Problem reaction solution " or " Totalitarian tip toe "
    both definitely happening in the Middle East and else where right now.


    ================================================== ==
    ================================================== ==

    This thread is from Jan 2014....

    Pete Seeger: US folk singer and activist dies aged 94

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...100#post790100


    This is a later version , not the one in the write up below......


    ================================================== ==



    This particular rendition was way back on 1968 in Stockholm. It is a folk song
    written by Pete Seeger and Joe Hickerson in 1961. Seeger found inspiration for the
    song while on his way to a concert. In his notebook he saw these lines, "Where are
    the flowers, the girls have plucked them. Where are the girls, they've all taken
    husbands. Where are the men, they're all in the army." , which were taken from a
    Don Cossacks folk song mentioned in the Mikhail Sholokhov 1934 novel "And Quiet
    Flows the Don". Seeger adapted it to a folk tune and with only three verses, he
    recorded it once in a medley on a Rainbow Quest album. Joe Hickerson later added
    verses four and five. It was first sung by Marlene Dietrich in French (as "Qui peut
    dire où vont les fleurs?") in 1962 at a UNICEF concert. She also recorded the song
    in English and in German, the latter titled "Sag' mir, wo die Blumen sind".

    Lyrics :

    Where have all the flowers gone,
    Long time passing,
    Where have all the flowers gone,
    Long time ago
    Where have all the flowers gone,
    Young girls picked them every one
    When will they ever learn
    When will they ever learn

    Where have all the young girls gone,
    Long time passing,
    Where have all the young girls gone,
    Long time ago,
    Where have all the young girls gone,
    gone to young men every one
    When will they ever learn
    When will they ever learn

    Where have all the young men gone,
    Long time passing,
    Where have all the young men gone,
    Long time ago,
    Where have all the young men gone,
    gone to soldiers every one,
    When will they ever learn
    When will they ever learn

    Where have all the soldiers gone,
    Long time passing,
    Where have all the soldiers gone,
    Long time ago,
    Where have all the soldiers gone,
    Gone to graveyards every one
    When will they ever learn
    When will they ever learn

    Where have all the graveyards gone,
    Long time passing,
    Where have all the graveyards gone,
    Long time ago,
    Where have all the graveyards gone,
    Gone to flowers every one
    When will they ever learn
    When will they ever learn
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    I don't necessarily think that the counter-culture failed at all. As a matter of fact, I think it succeeded...wildly so. The fact that gays and lesbians are now allowed to marry is a huge sign of that. So is the fact that an African American (possibly a gay/transgender) couple are President and First Lady of the United States is another. So is the fact that a woman was Secretary of State in the US. So is the fact that woman can legally have abortions, and that birth control is readily available to everyone who wants it. So is the fact that women are now CEOs of huge corporations, and make up the ranks of engineers, scientists, airline pilots, etc.

    I agree that this stuff is a huge distraction,

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    ...But we are (in my opinion) WAY WAY WAY too preoccupied with (and often diverted and distracted by) ethereal concepts like 'Wave X', CERN (I am NOT convinced, at all, that it's anything other than a supercollider), the possible mystical effects of comets and Blood Moons, channeled messages from 'Ascended Masters', unprovable subjective recall and perception, and multidimensional phenomena that may or may not have any reality at all.
    probably cooked up by the same folks who cooked up the counter culture in the first place.

    Why do I say that? Because while the counter-culture has succeeded in revamping our values, the Establishment keeps right on rolling, untouched, with more war-for-profit all the time, not to mention GMOs, vaccines, chemtrails...you get the idea

    So it looks to me like the counter-culture, itself, was a huge distraction...the biggest distraction ever, maybe. And it succeeded because it had something real to offer a lot of people. It never would have worked as a distraction from the real problem, which is war-for-profit and the steady erosion of real freedoms, if it hadn't.

    addition The fact that all of the young people who were key players in the counter-cultural "revolution" are members of very high-ranking Intelligence and military families should be a huge red flag, and to me is a huge tell.
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Jhonie (here)

    I am more interested in facts than the latest disclosure.
    Yes. It's the '2012 syndrome'... we're kind of seeing it all again. Some of the commentators and YouTubers (in my view) are really quite thoughtless and irresponsible. Often, it's literally just escapism.

    That sounds harsh and unkind to those with good intentions, but I have to say it. An increasing amount of what's posted, and is often immediately copied/forwarded for another spin on the carousel, is just self-important fantasy. It really is. And anyone can have a blog, a Facebook page or a YouTube account. The volume of noise is overwhelming.

    Some of this is enthusiastically and opportunistically powered, steered and stimulated by the controllers, of course... we should be under no illusions how much the alternative media is infiltrated, often very subtly.

    This doesn't mean that some of the radio hosts and bloggers are paid assets. That's too crude, although it's logically inevitable that a few are. There are MANY other ways of steering the movements of flocks of birds in flight, wheeling and turning all like one collective entity. (Which, to a large degree, is what the alternative media is.)

    It's all about steering cultural opinion. This is a fine art, and was mastered decades ago.

    There are many patsies, who are 100% unaware of the role they're playing. (An unaware patsy is always the most effective kind. One doesn't have to be paid to be an asset.)

    On the current Corey Goode thread (PHENOMENAL report by Corey; Part 1 (Part 2 coming) ... "Honeycomb Earth"), there's quite some informed and intelligent discussion about what may really be going on. Valuable information, it is not. But an important phenomenon to understand, it may be.

    And the Corey thing is just a case study, the latest one. If we don't learn from this (which may be an experiment, the most recent of a sequence of them), the next one may be be a real, major, strategic deployment, possibly in conjunction with an expertly choreographed significant event that would make 9/11 look like amateur theater.

    I do sense the planning of an attempted coup de grace... we may be in a phase prior to that, right now.

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Very well said Bill. Wow! This really is provoking some deep thoughts on this subject and this time we are in. I too am guilty, being distracted and plugged in. I have been feeling this for over 6 months that I need to unplug completely from the matrix and plug in and connect with the outside world and the people on a different level. I do think the youth today misunderstand what the 60's were all about, even my kids in their 20's now view that time as the peace/love & drug era....


    This article here on some levels sums up how I feel. https://sdjekic.wordpress.com/counte...-now-and-then/

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    Many are stuck between survival and transforming their lives....A bridge is very much needed to cross over...IT IS IN DIRE NEED...I have thoughts of my own to attract some attention to a bridge....ALL who are on the same page in regards to the planet and all life but in different organizations need to BAND TOGETHER AS ONE...
    We X Billions want to change the world and it appears we are......
    PARADISE IS POSSIBLE EVERYWHERE 4 EVERYONE

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    From another thread, a post I made yesterday.

    I take risks.

    Because it is necessary.

    I post things on forums. Things they don't like me to post .....in forums they don't like me to post in.

    If one thinks that me making a post in such a forum, is something I can just do, with no consequence....you're sadly mistaken. The levels of interference in my life take a real uptick, when I do such things.

    What have you done today?


    Why do it this way? The answer is excruciatingly simple. It's about getting the movement and motion into the people. In religion it is called one thing and the sales people know it by the same term:

    "Never Preach To The Pew"

    (Never waste any energy on the converted)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    Quote Posted by PathWalker (here)
    And there are plans to release alternative free energy source.
    Quote There are also unconfirmed reports India is releasing suppressed energy technology.

    http://www.zengardner.com/india-wont...rgy-generator/
    I believe non of this.
    I believe a change will arrive only after the financial system will collapse. Otherwise it is blocked.
    Don't worry about financial systems, worry about the game they have that follows it. No financial system will be allowed to collapse unless the follow through game is perfectly placed to pick things up.


    As for suppressing free energy, only a few people are in on the idea of suppression, the vast majority (of scientists and engineers) have no idea that it exists and would go as far as anyone else in order to have it be open to humanity.

    Rossi seems to have received his US patent on his over unity device (Rossi E-cat) , and by patent law, full disclosure so that anyone who is an expert or within the field of the given sciences, can make one via utilizing the patent, well...that is patent law.


    So, his patent has full disclosure. FULL.

    http://ecat.com/ecat-technology/ecat-patents

    So, when you talk about free energy being suppressed, it is not so much suppressed as it is hidden from the public eye. If you want it, f you want the future it can bring..then risk yourself and move into it.

    There is no reason for the financial system to die before free energy, as a matter of fact...... that would be the worst case scenario.

    I also brought the existence of the granted Rossi patent ....to the attention of a forum that has about +25k engineers as members.

    It's called risking yourself, and getting the change to take place.

    If not you, then who?
    If not now, then when?

    The change will never be in the popular press, not one chance, not today, or tomorrow.

    From the same thread, today's post:

    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    I think all of you should individually take responsibility for yourselves and get things done yourself.

    Looking to have others risk themselves, to have others give you signs, to have others show direction...that is purely an act, at the core of self... of the monkey in the human... the animal in a human.

    One which is ruling and running all aspects of thought and action of the human. It is looking for the fringes of the herd to cry alarm, or die in the jaws of an attacker, so as to provide direction in the perceived moment of danger.

    The entire flow of the situation was shaped charged to have this work in this exact way, where one is out of their comfort zone...... and in such situations (large group of unknowns, possible protection/action situation), the body powerfully controls and channels all thought formation and physical considerations, it reverts to the process of individual protection of physical existence in the motion of the herd/group, as confronted by a larger attacking animal which is coming out of the long grass.

    It is exactly that simple ....and no amount of squirming and twitching while in this animal condition of argumentative 'yeah, but' this or 'yeah, but' that...none of that will change these simple aspects of human thought control through the mechanisms of the body's channeling and formation of thought and act.


    This is why hypnotism works. You are actually unconscious right now, the body is in charge. It is always there, sometimes strongly in charge, sometimes slightly in charge. It is the fundamental, in the organization and design of the human brain function, regarding the misnomer of the thing called 'consciousness'. Consciousness is a passive echo report system.

    I'm dead serious.

    Spellbound is the normal state of affairs for humans, when under stress. That is why you can't think when under stress loading. This, you know to be true as every one of you has experienced this hundreds of times in your lives, times when you can't think. You can't think due to this thing you call consciousness as not being the real control or driving point of the body, it is only it's passive echo report system, it is not the true driver and controller of the avatar.

    It is entirely predictable that the ego mechanism, this reflective internal voice program you call consciousness, will, in emotionally driven fear based thought control, fear of it's own loss of existence... it will turn your attention away from what I've just said, and cause you to return to being blind of the basic, fundamental, and important truth in this post.

    And that is...virtually 100% predictable.... and will happen in the next few minutes.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I do sense the planning of an attempted coup de grace... we may be in a phase prior to that, right now.
    It would not surprise me if the bastards with too much power have learned the same lesson in propaganda, economic, financial and political warfare that they have learned in military warfare -- and that is to use a 100 smaller, more ambiguous, conflicts rather than one massive "nuclear" option. We may already be in World War III ... which risks being a death by a 1000 paper cuts, rather than by one massive coup de grace. We (humanity) might risk losing that war, if we keep waiting for the "starting gun of a major event" to tell us that the war has begun.

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    Greetings Bill, et al....

    Thanks for the thread...what a great question..!!
    My feeling is ...we did a lot more back then...with a lot less....
    The radio got the songs out...and songs did more for the peace movement than any other genre or venue...imo
    A lot of folk and rock festivals got people working together...that helped...
    We have a lot more opportunity to reach the whole world today...via w w w the wall of secrecy is crumbling...
    but I don't think we are making progress anymore...not since 2001....we appear to be marking time...(for those of you who don't know what that is...it's marching in place)...
    I thought , by now, the masses would see the obvious enemies of humanity for who and what they are....
    I was wrong...and my common answer nowadays is "THE FLUORIDE IS WORKING !!! Most americans can't get mad (angry) anymore...or respond to the anger...most are struggling just to survive...hard to believe it's the same country I was born in...
    But, even then, early 1950...my first day of life...the first thing that happened to me was someone sliced off a piece of my body in a sexual ritual...that should have been my wakeup call...LOL ( later in life I asked my parents, and they deny any knowledge of the procedure !!)...
    One thing hasn't changed....you can ask all the questions you want, but..., if you get too close to the answers, you are disparaged , disappear...or die....that happened to many songwriters/singers back then...and it happens to the whistle blowers today...this... I know first hand.
    So, my answer is...I do feel alternative media is superceding mainstream media...simply because mainstream can no longer be believed....but I don't see it making much difference...if we can't take action when we see something is wrong.
    Blessings,
    and thanks again for the thread...looking forward to the replies !!!
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    I think we are doing somewhat better than the counterculture of the '60s and early '70s, but only somewhat.

    The internet is our greatest weapon these days, but as the saying goes: "you can lead a horse to water but..."

    I remember watching the peaceful revolutions on TV back then. I was too young and naïve to fully understand what they were trying to do. But I admired their gumption, their freedom, their courage. I wished I'd been old enough to join them. It was exciting, and although a young, naïve, innocent child and then young teen, they stirred something deeply powerful within my soul. I soooooooo wanted to be a part of what they were doing.

    I remember the judgment against them. My father disgustedly called them: "filthy, repulsive, immoral, rebellious, delinquent creeps" while he watched the spark of admiration in my eyes. He then decided what could be watched on TV and what could not. He was a wife beater and child abuser who considered himself a "highly moral man". The hippies were shaking the status quo and dismantling the old belief systems - this would have to be stopped! How dare they?!?

    So they did not achieve what they set out to do, but they made remarkable progress for the generations that followed. The hippies grew their own herbs which they sold in open markets. Eventually, they opened up stores. This opened the way for natural supplementation and medicine, which tptb are trying to take away from us now.

    The counterculture of that generation failed to bring about the world they wanted to live in. But they left an important legacy behind. Their children grew up with open minds who opened the minds of others. And that's, at least, a good start. They fought for human rights. They achieved a small degree of success in this area.

    I have a number of highly intelligent friends and colleagues (intellectually speaking) who simply do not see what I see. They may not completely trust the government but they trust the medical system and other fraudulent systems. If these well educated beings do not see what is there to see, then who will?

    Many of these people here in Canada believe that by getting rid of Harper, our problems will be solved. How naïve is that? Of course, I'd like to get rid of the harpy. He's a right wing creep! But will that solve our problems? I'm afraid not! I'd like to see it happen though.

    I am greatly disillusioned by the lack of knowledge and understanding I encounter in the people I know. If these, so-called, intelligent, open minded people think I'm crazy for being a "truther" (I believe it was Rebekah Roth who said: "I'd rather be a truther than a liar") then I have to wonder how will the grey masses ever be able to wake up. I don't think they will! I feel very alone sometimes.

    As far as the "New Age movement" goes, well, I stay as far away as possible from them. Wasn't the New Age movement started by the CIA as a way to distract people from real problems?

    Still, I remain hopeful that although we are not large in numbers, we can make a difference.

    I remain hopeful that many of these people I know are salvageable and will wake up and help others along the way.

    Will we be able to take back the planet? I don't know. I hope and pray we do. We have to do our best. We have to!

    But when it comes to problems experienced in other parts of the world these days, I am at a complete loss as to how to even begin to resolve that. It feels hopeless! I probably isn't completely hopeless, but it feels that way.

    I believe the next year or two will be intensely rough for many. Ride the wave! Keep doing the work! Let's be warriors of truth and justice at whichever level we can.

    Love and blessings to all of you.

    Daughter of Time

    P. S. - thank you for this thread, Bill.

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    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    And that is...virtually 100% predictable.... and will happen in the next few minutes.
    Unless, per chance, your observations were too accurate, in which case it was happening, as that sentence was being read <grin>.

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I do sense the planning of an attempted coup de grace... we may be in a phase prior to that, right now.
    It would not surprise me if the bastards with too much power have learned the same lesson in propaganda, economic, financial and political warfare that they have learned in military warfare -- and that is to use a 100 smaller, more ambiguous, conflicts rather than one massive "nuclear" option. We may already be in World War III ... which risks being a death by a 1000 paper cuts, rather than by one massive coup de grace. We (humanity) might risk losing that war, if we keep waiting for the "starting gun of a major event" to tell us that the war has begun.
    I think you're right, Paul. And I think we've actually been in the war, just in the way you describe, for awhile now.

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    gmo, is now, for the most part, only legal in the USA, Canada and Australia. same for aspartame etc.

    The rest of the world is getting rid of it, as it all lowers intelligence. A literal retardation of the population.

    And you can't run a totalitarian scam, against an awakening population. The level and speed of the machinations have to be high enough, fast enough, hidden behind layers well enough... that they can't be seen, in sequence and time, the people cannot be allowed the capacity to cognate the true shape of the moves.

    If one cannot hide enough moves, then one is required to retard the population in order to get to that desired end result of hidden moves hiding past the cognitive limit... and have secondary controls...like fear, obfuscation, sexual dalliance/deviance and religion/patriotism.


    If you look at the united states, this is exactly what you see. All these things alive and working toward that totalitarian goal.

    This is the Nazis, the fascism that moved into the USA's black systems after WWII (brought back by the people who financed the Nazis, the US dark oligarchy), and that is the disease and curse that is hiding among us now.
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    gmo, is now, for the most part, only legal in the USA, Canada and Australia. same for aspartame etc.

    The rest of the world is getting rid of it, as it all lowers intelligence. A literal retardation of the population.

    And you can't run a totalitarian scam, against an awakening population. The level and speed of the machinations have to be high enough, fast enough, hidden behind layers well enough... that they can't be seen, in sequence and time, the people cannot be allowed the capacity to cognate the true shape of the moves.

    If one cannot hide enough moves, then one is required to retard the population in order to get to that desired end result of hidden moves hiding past the cognitive limit... and have secondary controls...like fear, obfuscation, sexual dalliance/deviance and religion/patriotism.


    If you look at the united states, this is exactly what you see. All these things alive and working toward that totalitarian goal.

    This is the Nazis, the fascism that moved into the USA's black systems after WWII (brought back by the people who financed the Nazis, the US dark oligarchy), and that is the disease and curse that is hiding among us now.
    Off-topic, but what you describe is part of the mystery of predation. Predation actually increases the intelligence of both the predator and the prey.

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    Yes Bill!

    I was watching the film 'Flash Back' the other day (contains many examples of what your saying Bill) and it hit me then that we are still going around the same circle and haven't changed a dang thing really!

    Some cool words from the film
    'When we get out of the 80's the 90's are going to make the 70's look like the 50's'

    We in our ghetto see far to much of the needed awaking messages, we are swamped by them, we are in/on overload of them!

    But it's like we have become virtual and disconnected from our physical reality!

    I think our physical self has been short-circuited, the circuit breakers have been pulled?

    I my self don't go out into society very much, I don't have much energy but plenty of day to day bone/skeletal and joint pains (Bone deficiency, Gues I've been in space to long ha ha), but even with out such limitations I would still be disconnected from any action

    Put me in a fight and I'm there with you till the end, put me in a team and I work full out to get all through it! but I'm no initiator

    I do still believe in putting out spiritual energies though!

    I push out, emit tons of that kind of attuned energies!

    The biggest difference nowadays is that the Perp's/PTW won't get out clean faced scot free!
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    cant care enough whether i am don't better or not I simply do my best all the time. My best now could be worst than yesterday but its the best I can manage right now. Determining whether I"m doing better or not is a distraction by itself.
    Have a nice day everyone

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    .
    Here's how the 70s counterculture was dealt with. Really... this is what happened.

    Every Avalon member should watch this. It's a stunning documentary (the 3rd part of a 4 part series). One of the best, and most important, I've ever seen.


    Source: Watch on Vimeo


    Source: https://vimeo.com/10245146
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Just as our body gets trapped in fear and other base emotions and chemistry, that lead to limited and ineffective action (Carmody describes this with far more practiced words than I do), similarly our mind gets trapped in rationalizations and words and boxed in verbalization's of thought, that limit the growth and adaption of our awareness and understanding.

    I would not so much lament that we spend too much time talking amongst ourselves, and too little time having effect in the "real" world (though that lament is all too well founded), as I would suggest that both awareness and action are needed.

    Watching my cat, I notice that she has dozens of places she likes to rest, and over a month, will visit them all sooner or later. I imagine that it's a useful habit for a cat to have, for one never knows out of which hiding spot the next meal might come, unaware that a cat is resting, but alert, near by. My cat's habits are unnecessary in her case, as her food bowl is well stocked, but such details do not change the instinctive habits of a cat.

    The combination of (1) alert awareness, watching, from various vantage points and (2) swift action, when the opportunity arises, are excellent habits for cats to have, over the millenia. Neither of these by themselves, whether just sitting forever and not acting on opportunity, nor racing around poking in every nook and cranny, would serve as well as the combination.

    Both (1) understanding and awareness attained through patient and persistent observation, and (2) swift action when the opportunity presents itself, are essential elements of survival.

    Of course, what is "opportunity" will depend on both the observer, his or her awareness and his or her talents, and on the situation.

    P.S. -- and of course, like cats playing and racing about for no particular reason, talents can and should be developed (which is not to say that pigs should practice singing.)
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