Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

[Carmody]

And if someone won't listen, don't get caught up in fencing with them. Drop it and move on to someone who will. It's like pulling people from a fire, or out the ramp of a burning airplane....... You grab and toss the people you can reach. Plain and simple, and never take it beyond the fundamental. And if a person is blocking the ramp, hesitating... and 200 people behind them are burning and dying, you put your foot in their back, and you kick. Keep it straight. Do your best.... but always in mind of the fundamental at hand.

It's a numbers game, pure and simple.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3wxhloOJNzs

[Zampano]

Okidoki...lets put all the "Conspiracy People", prophets with their prophecies, holy people and religion, spiritual gurus and masters, Cabal and Illuminati, White/Black/Yellow/Blue hats and birds, Channeled entities and ascended master aside.

Whats left?
We as "human species".
We want to survive, improve, create a heaven on earth-and to make this happen, we have to work together.

For example, true spiritual progression comes with action. Enlightenment or self realization is more or less the mystical seeing, that everything comes from the same Source and we are all the same. Would you want to hurt yourself? No. Than act like it. With that action, we would have a more responsible and honest society.
Find your gifts and use it, find your joy and you will be successful and happy.

In the "real world", I see people from 12-70 y/o sitting in the train or metro attached to their mobile phones, like a mother to her child.
On the other side, I meet especially young people who want to break free from the current system. Work, sleep, movies, pay taxes, create a family.

It is a hard decision to "break out" of society...what about insurances, the future, stability?
And of course, children are our future, so lets nourish them with their innocent and out of the box thinking, support and encourage them.
Stay positive

[Jantje]

The counterculture is a cult nontheless. So who are the leaders of the cult ? Who is in control ?
On one side it seems we have to get rid of external leaders. On the other hand nothing happens without people taking lead and others following. I think we suffer from an external saviour syndrome while at the same for all kinds of reasons we are desperately in need of the "right" leaders. A very vernarable position to be in. Then you have all the disinfo and truth mixed together to divide all the people who have "woken up"
All very effective from the point of view of the controllers.
just my 2 cents. and maybe something to consider

[Innocent Warrior]

If I understand this song correctly (not certain I do), the message is along the same lines as yours, Bill, except it's applicable to that era.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

Lyrics;

There's something happening here
But what it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking' their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

It's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

What a field day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly saying, "hooray for our side"

It's time we stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

We better stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?

* * *

As for us, it's true we could be doing a lot better. The internet is an advantage, a magnificent tool, but we could do with some balance of both (ghetto & outside) and a more effective focus.

We do indeed seem to be circulating it around between ourselves, the knowledge we gain from the internet, and it needs to be dispersed throughout the world. Not necessarily just in the traditional ways (activism, informing others etc). We have expanded awareness now, we have an advanced understanding of creation and reality and know how to powerfully apply it. Simply moving throughout the world, in ordinary ways, but within our expanded consciousness, manifests in extraordinary ways.

Thanks for the nudge, Bill.

[Midnight Rambler]

In The Netherlands the website called geenstijl.nl forced a referendum by gathering more than the required 300.000 signatures. The referendum will be about the association treaty with the Ukrain and if the parlement should sign the treaty or not.

IMO this is a great example how to let our voices be heard. We need to stop the rulers and take the power back through the democratic process. Now the hard part begins to convince the people to go out and vote, and let the democratic process take its course.

The people are awake, now is the time to act.

[WhiteLove]

Thanks Bill for this call to action, instantly when I started reading your thread post it felt very right! My friend(s), I appreciate your engagement in the awakening community, I'm learning tons of stuff from you!

I found your point of distraction highly well tuned, I agree, even before you mentioned it earlier today I realized how distracted I am as a being, it is utterly important to try to discover these distractions and deal with them in the real world.

On some level I feel that by being myself - once I just properly deal with all of those distractions away from truth - I can resume the spiritual growth and help make people around me grow spiritually too by being around me in that state of higher consciousness.

At this time, I am much focused on the word "real". I have come to realize that being "real", is in this world and age by default very challenging, because all of those distractions that bombard you on a daily basis tell you what and who to adhere. Not always directly, but also indirectly.

"Realize", that's the process of taking steps towards the vision of who you really are, what you really love and what you love to share. And I think that this is a very important step towards boosting the awakening process in this world.

Here is a music video that's called "Brother", that I'm sharing in response to this call to action, symbolizing my view that we are brothers and sisters against the evil in this world and we are in the process of breaking free from it all. Becoming aware of who we are is an important first step.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=61Wm_qlVD4Q

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Jantje (here)

The counterculture is a cult nonetheless. So who are the leaders of the cult ? Who is in control ?

Yes, that's true. I was thinking about this: in the 60s, there were identifiable, charismatic leaders, some of whom were very talented artists and musicians. That's because there were very often physical, real-world meetings/events (including some very large ones) of real, committed people. And in those days, counterculture figureheads wrote books!

Now, it's much less clear who or what the 'leadership' is. And most often, we meet only virtually. Few people write books any more (David Icke is one of the commendable exceptions), and with a limited attention span among almost everyone, one has to YELL to get the most traction one can from a short attention-grabbing video.

Here are some video title examples. These are all verbatim, and took about 30 seconds to find:

• ALERT! WILL ASTEROID HIT EARTH ON BLOODMOON DAY SEPT 2015? - FULL DOCUMENTARY
• Confirmed-2.5 Mile Wide Comet Headed Toward Earth With Chilling Hellish Mystery Sounds
  [yes, that really is the title]
• URGENT-NASA Caught In Huge Lie & We Are In Serious Danger! Time To Pray Harder Than Ever!
• USA To Be Shaken 9/2015-Event So Powerful, It Will Scare the Hell OUT of America!
• CERN PT1: Shocking New Info & It's IN the Bible-More Proof We Have Reached the End

I stopped there.

Dylan was never doing any of that.

[astridmari]

I think perhaps this Harald Kautz-Vella´s video can contribute a bit to this discussion in the sense that he is says something like - my short interpretation- "Information, information, information is not enough, you also have to do something, each and every one of us". He means it already is enough information known. He also seems to do shamanic work together with his girlfriend and they can only do so much but at least they are doing something. His former friends worried that he is possessed. There some glitch of sorts in the video (18:36) which is supposed to show how possessed he is according to Cara St Louis. But I agree with HKV. I think we all have to do what little we can. Not everyone is brave enough for shamanic work though.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KhOBq4uOVu4

[Selkie]

I don't know about other countries, but in the US its not that both parties are controlled, its that all parties are controlled.

I think that people have taken refuge in "fantastica" precisely because they have been stymied in their ability to take action in the real world.

[Mike]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I do sense the planning of an attempted coup de grace... we may be in a phase prior to that, right now.

It would not surprise me if the bastards with too much power have learned the same lesson in propaganda, economic, financial and political warfare that they have learned in military warfare -- and that is to use a 100 smaller, more ambiguous, conflicts rather than one massive "nuclear" option. We may already be in World War III ... which risks being a death by a 1000 paper cuts, rather than by one massive coup de grace. We (humanity) might risk losing that war, if we keep waiting for the "starting gun of a major event" to tell us that the war has begun.

Hey this is a hell of a take, Paul. I never really thought of it like that. Interesting.

I think we know more about the reality of how and why the world is run the way it is than the people of the 60's and 70's,( thanks to people like you Bill) but I don't think we're doing a better job. They were clearly bolder and much more courageous than we are. The spirit of rebellion was in everything they did.

In my mind, calling oneself an 'activist' requires action. Typing words on an internet forum hardly qualifies as action. It is neither bold nor courageous. It is important...but it only represents half the equation - the knowledge part. Applying that knowledge in the real world is the hard part. It requires the most dedication and energy.. and represents the most risk. Maybe posting represents risk to someone like Carmody (no sarcasm) but in general it's as easy and risk free as picking your nose. It doesnt happen too often, but its always really troubled me when our sense of self importance has swelled to the point of thinking our keyboard peckings actually represent action. They don't.

I'm thinking of John Lennon now. He was the most famous person on the planet when he was doing his bed ins for peace and other demonstrations in the 60's. Can you imagine if someone like that did that today? And recruited some of his/her star buddies to boot? The sphere of influence would be huge. I'm not suggesting celebrities are going to save the earth...but a few conscientious and highly motivated ones might be able to start a revolution. Thats partly why the counterculture was so strong back then: star power. And the stars were sincere! Thing is, we don't have brave souls like that on the planet now...or at least I don't see them. Our cultural icons play it too safe. Most of them are likely on the other team, matter of fact.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Now, it's much less clear who or what the 'leadership' is. And most often, we meet only virtually.

Ah - that might be unfortunate. One of the (few) things I have gotten out of going to conferences was to meet and be in the presence of those original creators, who made a real difference, an original contribution driven through to realization, of a substantial nature. That is very empowering ... one gets a real sense that one can, when one spots an opportunity to apply one's particular talents where perhaps no one else yet even sees an opportunity, make substantial contributions and changes.

Virtual meetings, especially if only in text which is less compelling for many, might not yield such results, so often and so well.

[Jantje]

@ Selkie

that is probably why they call the USA the land of dreams and Europe the Europian 'Union"

[ThePythonicCow]

I would suggest not that we shame ourselves for just blabbering and not doing something, but rather that we encourage and empower ourselves, like the parents we wish we had (but too often didn't) with the realization that we can make a difference, and that it's worth developing (a) our own awareness, (b) our own talents and (c) our connection with others who have gone before us and made a difference, as that leads to us to making a difference, in ways that perhaps no one, not even ourselves, could have anticipated.

[Jantje]

talking bout 60's stuff that's still relevant

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SMEgGGnZ43Y

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Selkie (here)
I don't know about other countries, but in the US its not that both parties are controlled, its that all parties are controlled.

Yes, all parties. But us Americans can only count to two <grin>.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Here are some video title examples. These are all verbatim, and took about 30 seconds to find:

• ALERT! WILL ASTEROID HIT EARTH ON BLOODMOON DAY SEPT 2015? - FULL DOCUMENTARY
• Confirmed-2.5 Mile Wide Comet Headed Toward Earth With Chilling Hellish Mystery Sounds
  [yes, that really is the title]
• URGENT-NASA Caught In Huge Lie & We Are In Serious Danger! Time To Pray Harder Than Ever!
• USA To Be Shaken 9/2015-Event So Powerful, It Will Scare the Hell OUT of America!
• CERN PT1: Shocking New Info & It's IN the Bible-More Proof We Have Reached the End

I stopped there.

Dylan was never doing any of that.

Further thoughts. I think we're seeing an unhealthy, collective neurosis. I'm serious. I think it's a sort of malady... to put it starkly, a kind of very mild mental illness, that's largely harmless but does create an energy drain on those around them, and is a load for the community to carry.

The Flat Earthers have that too, and I'll say it right here. I don't mean any offense to any well-meaning individual, but I think what I say is true.

That was NOT evident in the 60s and 70s. It's the current counterculture's greatest weakness, and I see more and more succumbing to it.

Posted by Selkie (here)

I think that people have taken refuge in "fantastica" precisely because they have been stymied in their ability to take action in the real world.

And I agree: the hysteria that we see increasingly, and also the reaching towards self-imagined savior figures, may in some people be a response to a kind of increasing inner powerlessness and helplessness.

[onawah]

There is more discussion on this in the thread starting with this post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1004612

Posted by astridmari (here)
I think perhaps this Harald Kautz-Vella´s video can contribute a bit to this discussion in the sense that he is says something like - my short interpretation- "Information, information, information is not enough, you also have to do something, each and every one of us". He means it already is enough information known. He also seems to do shamanic work together with his girlfriend and they can only do so much but at least they are doing something. His former friends worried that he is possessed. There some glitch of sorts in the video (18:36) which is supposed to show how possessed he is according to Cara St Louis. But I agree with HKV. I think we all have to do what little we can. Not everyone is brave enough for shamanic work though.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KhOBq4uOVu4

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
That is very empowering ... one gets a real sense that one can, when one spots an opportunity to apply one's particular talents where perhaps no one else yet even sees an opportunity, make substantial contributions and changes.

Perhaps this is one of the secrets of motherhood ... a creative joy.

[Cidersomerset]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
I do sense the planning of an attempted coup de grace... we may be in a phase prior to that, right now.

It would not surprise me if the bastards with too much power have learned the same lesson in propaganda, economic, financial and political warfare that they have learned in military warfare -- and that is to use a 100 smaller, more ambiguous, conflicts rather than one massive "nuclear" option. We may already be in World War III ... which risks being a death by a 1000 paper cuts, rather than by one massive coup de grace. We (humanity) might risk losing that war, if we keep waiting for the "starting gun of a major event" to tell us that the war has begun.

Its very difficult to sum up in small sentences , that's why I like to do a collage now
and then of related topics as its said a picture ( with captions ) can say a lot more
that would take pages to explain. Most members if they have been connecting the
dots will see many subjects are connected and James corbett , Jim Marrs, David
Icke , Bill , Kerry and others , I include some mainstream in this, know we are
awash with information of all kinds as Bill said in #1.

I watched Jo Anne Richards vid posted earlier and it was a fun Q & A session, But is
it true ? who knows and there are many like that. Any way that's not what I was
replying to, several researchers have said we have been in WW111 since the end of
WW11 and the cold war, was part of it . I expect you remember, there was
supposed to be an agreement after WW11 for 'regional ' conflicts to keep the mil
ind complex's going and 'banksters' ticking over with CIA sponsored operations per
the 'economic hitman' . Control of the Drugs trade and money laundering. Oil
cartels , hiding and controlling 'free energy products' ( not much profit after the
initial manufacture and distribution)

The Middle East , Africa , Asia and South America have been the main combat area
over the last 70 years and you can bring other theories into play.

The wars kept military innovation going and money was /is syphoned off for black
projects.Part of the reason for the continuation of the cold war was to hide the fact
there is ET activity going on some passive and others aggressive . Something Jo
Anne Richards in her vid & others have said , that some of the many missiles
pointing at each other around the globe were pointing into space from all sides as
at highest level they were co operating against a possible greater threat.
Wars and conflicts also creates an never ending supply of ' adrenalin filled death'
for possible inter dimensional's to feed off or the 'Shape Shifting' reptilian elite
with all there paedophile rituals, it goes on and on.

bastards with too much power have learned the same lesson in propaganda

They have been the masters of propaganda for a long time and to make sure, they
own or control most of the corporate media, and are trying hard to censor the
alternate outlets.There are many articles on the 'headline' page. Apart from the
fact they are already infiltrating forums, trolling and putting out their own
sponsored alternate 'mouthpieces' and groups like 'Team Satan' MI5 sponsored
crop circle makers to muddy the waters in that field...LOL (pardon the pun)

I don't think there will be a massive nuclear war as they have to much to lose,
Though Israel if cornered may ( The Sampson plan) and the danger of limited
'dirty' or suitcase nukes are possible. Again this is only an overlaying answer
because each topic and many more I have not mentioned are playing out and
possibly connected to the bigger plan. But any decent General knows a plan can fail
so should have contingencies , and it this that's makes the agenda hard to pin
down. There may not be one as such , just a continuation of control by certain
bloodlines down the centuries. The investigating continues................


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This is another ancient topic. trying to be exposed by the alternate press and
supressed by the authorities.....

UK Column Live - Satanic Ritual Abuse ( SRA ), establishment cover its up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om9uHQZ9uoY

Published on 29 Sep 2015
Special studio guest: child protection campaigner of 22 years’ standing Wilfred
Wong, originally trained as a barrister and with expertise in Satanic ritual abuse.
A screen warning is displayed: the subject is disturbing and unsuitable for children
and some young people, but necessary for adults to understand.

[Mike]

Good point Bill. We're really overly rebellious. We rebel against the idea of a round earth; we rebel against those who encouraged us to rebel in the first place, lest we be thought of as sycophantic; we rebel against all the well meaning people who are trying to help us...

Too much rebelling..not enough thinking.

We trust no one and nothing. We're caught up in the drama like a bug in a web..and we don't even know we're caught. We've become too myopic and distracted.

This stuff needs to be distilled to its essence. Then we need to focus on that with all our energy