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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Whatever you give away. May it be your money, responsibility, your dignity, morality, consciousness or power. It is already taken by something or someone that is not you !
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    ...Further thoughts. I think we're seeing an unhealthy, collective neurosis. I'm serious. I think it's a sort of malady... to put it starkly, a kind of very mild mental illness. The Flat Earthers have that too, and I'll say it right here. I don't mean any offense to any well-meaning individual, but what I say is true.
    I totally agree. I said somewhere else, in one of the threads, we are not just fighting for the truth, we are fighting for our very sanity.

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    Quote Posted by Selkie (here)

    I think that people have taken refuge in "fantastica" precisely because they have been stymied in their ability to take action in the real world.
    And I agree: the hysteria that we see increasingly, and also the reaching towards self-imagined savior figures, may in some people be a response to a kind of increasing inner powerlessness and helplessness.
    (my emphasis)

    No, not inner powerlessness and helplessness! OUTER powerlessness and helplessness! We are becoming collectively mad because all our avenues for peaceful, orderly outer change have been cut off. So its not about inner power...its about outer power. The power to affect our world...our actual world. And so we take refuge in the inner world, just like mad people do!

    addition I can have all the inner power I please, but it counts for nothing if I cannot express it. That is the situation with the entire human race, right now. We have tons of inner power, but all our avenues for expression in the outer world have been cut off, and so we are going mad.

    addition Please see The Divided Self, by R.D. Laing.
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    Well expressed ! Especially, remove one creep, and ten thousand more are waiting (below) to fill the space, like the mindless morons ( Zombies ) depicted in the older films such as The Time Machine or Metropolis; soylent green; but even there, are the clues : even if distorted to confuse the Issues, In The Time Machine :- The use of Sound to control minds, in Soylent, re-feeding populace with recycled human, etc etc... Please don't feel " Alone sometimes ", for apart from the shills here, 99.9% ofPA participants, are re-discovering their Soul. [ I for example, am contaminated with Morgellons, and it is annoying, however, in Bed each night, or when they're activily irritating me, I say clearly, firmly, to the Universe, or anybody close ' other - Dimensionally ', to me. " You might transmute my Physical Body, and you might try to control my brain activity, but, Never will you take control of my Spirit ( soul ) for, This I will always be loyal to, and only if I fall from the straight and Narrow, will my Soul, be no longer under MY ownership.. " And, folks, it works ! I often wonder, whether the real winners, are those Souls, who, in increasing numbers, " Choose "to come back, and maintain the renaissance of " Who we are "...

    I'm not knowlegeable, but believe the " Hell ", that exists on Earth, esp underground,will one day consume and destroy itself...

    God Bless the Choosen , such as Jordan Maxwell, Icke, and others,,,

    May I introduce others to the efforts of UKColumn, as tangible evidence that the message is spreading ? and a wonderful site termed " Earthbefore Flood.com " which complements ( imho) eric Von Danikens work...

    Greetings all...

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    And in those days, counterculture figureheads wrote books!
    In those days, counterculture members read books

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    A few weeks ago...don't remember what I was stewing on..deep in it...walk by Elijah/son..youngest..im distracted..
    he must of sensed it because he stopped me held my arm pulled me to his level made eye contact and said..Dont worry dad its just taking us all awhile to get to know who we really are..
    controllers should bee scared...they haven't a clue whats coming..and the ones that do..grace and mercy.

    truth and balance.

    great thread and well timed..!!!!!!!
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    I am done with the notion of nations and national boundaries. For 34 years I have felt deeply that there is only one world and all of us are responsible for all of it. I am done with tribes, groups, organizations, affiliations that only serve to keep the people in line with imposed notions of right and wrong. At age 18, for the first time ever in my life, I met a black person. Until then, I was insulated from any realness of black people and their lives. It took another 3 years before I could sing, We Shall Overcome. All of us need to recognize that we view our circumstances and world through our own glasses. It takes some mighty shifting of perspective brought on by real effort to start to make the tiny changes in ourselves to affect change.
    At my granddaughter's WALDORF school, the children were shown a play that portrayed two values: COURAGE and STRENGTH. Today, she is "fighting the dragon" on a grassy hill along with other students in our Hawaiian paradise. Now, if little ones can be shown these concepts can't we remember them too?

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    For me, the key in moving through 'All this' is to have a personal centered knowingness of who we are... and to my understanding we are basically a creator of realitiies... each and every one of us. We have this ability because this is the same ability we 'inherited' from the original Creator. This 'power of creation' has been proven, over and over again in many studies and experiments as Dr Emoto, Dean Radin, the 'placebo effect', etc. The 'problem' now is that we are allowing our creative power to be 'hijacked' by 'buying into' fear-centered propaganda stories. I see that we need to 'take our power back' (even though we never really lost it) by focusing mainly on what we would like to see happen... instead of what we're afraid to see happen.

    All of these 'doomsday' stories, movies, etc that keep popping up, one right after the next, are just new 'programs' designed to 'hijack' our 'power of creation' for someone else's benefit. We need to disconnect from that 'fear-stream' and start being proactively focused with our thoughts on specific things we would like to see happen and taking actions which support a positive future for Us, the whole planet, and beyond.

    For myself, I've done hundreds or more of visualization experiments which have manifested Exactly as visualized... So this natural ability is 'as plain as day' to me. I've found that the more specific the visualization, the more accurate the manifested reality will be. Right now I'm visualizing that we all 'snap out' of the fear-centered doomsday programmed mentality and start focusing our minds/consciousness on positive possibilities and taking progressive actions.

    Loving you All...
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

    And I agree: the hysteria that we see increasingly, and also the reaching towards self-imagined savior figures, may in some people be a response to a kind of increasing inner powerlessness and helplessness.
    To thine own self be true perhaps ?

    IMHE "Love" (of the Unconditional variety) is *Infinitely* more Powerful and Effective than any of the negative emotions so I'd suggest not to worry too much about "outer appearances" and to stay Grounded and Heart Centered as much as possible ... because even our physical body is only a "shell" housing our real "nature" so better to remain Cognisant of the Unseen World rather than get too carried away with the seeming "importance" of worldly events eh ?

    Nice thread

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    Question Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Thanks Bill,

    And yes there was some wonderfully inspiring musicians and songs back then ...
    Though i tend to see it all now with a totally different perspective.

    For me personally (growing up as a post/war baby boomer), has accumulated (in experiences) into a realization that the so call 60's Counterculture was purposefully created and orchestrated - Most probably by those likely Usual Suspects ... I also believe, that many of my generation (though acting with good intent) for the most part were tricked - hood/winked and enthralled into the fabrication of it all ...

    For those of us (who have awoken) in the alternative community - It should be a reminder and a lesson to always stay focused to fact that this counterculture programming is ever evolving around ...

    While mixing the truth with lies while entertaining us ...

    Here's a good example of it ...

    Stanford professor traces roots of the psychedelic '60s to postwar America

    Published on Jan 31, 2014


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    I posted this on the book thread as well. I have faith in us. I know we all are working hard to educate others and organize where we can. All our small efforts will make a difference hang in there everyone!


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    The hummingbird replied, "I heard the sky might fall today, and so I am ready to hold it up, should it fall."

    The elephant laughed cruelly. "Do you really think," he said, "that those tiny feet could help hold up the sky?"

    The hummingbird kept his feet up in the air, intent on his purpose, as he replied, "Not alone. But each must do what he can. And this is what I can do."

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Michelle (here)
    I posted this on the book thread as well. I have faith in us. I know we all are working hard to educate others and organize where we can. All our small efforts will make a difference hang in there everyone!


    Holding Up The Sky

    ONE day an elephant saw a hummingbird laying on its back with its feet up in the air. "What are you doing?" asked the elephant.

    The hummingbird replied, "I heard the sky might fall today, and so I am ready to hold it up, should it fall."

    The elephant laughed cruelly. "Do you really think," he said, "that those tiny feet could help hold up the sky?"

    The hummingbird kept his feet up in the air, intent on his purpose, as he replied, "Not alone. But each must do what he can. And this is what I can do."

    Much love

    An alternative rejoinder from the hummingbird might be (and this is not a joke)

    "Well, so far, it's working."



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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by Michelle (here)
    I posted this on the book thread as well. I have faith in us. I know we all are working hard to educate others and organize where we can. All our small efforts will make a difference hang in there everyone!


    Holding Up The Sky

    ONE day an elephant saw a hummingbird laying on its back with its feet up in the air. "What are you doing?" asked the elephant.

    The hummingbird replied, "I heard the sky might fall today, and so I am ready to hold it up, should it fall."

    The elephant laughed cruelly. "Do you really think," he said, "that those tiny feet could help hold up the sky?"

    The hummingbird kept his feet up in the air, intent on his purpose, as he replied, "Not alone. But each must do what he can. And this is what I can do."

    Much love

    An alternative rejoinder from the hummingbird might be (and this is not a joke)

    "Well, so far, it's working."


    Yes, delusion is a powerful thing, even though it is not real.
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    I was a little too young to actually experience the 60's, but it seems to me that it was much easier back then to rally entire crowds and see real progress happening.

    First, the issues worth fighting for in the 60's-70's were far more concentrated on a few high-interest topics: the anti-war movement and civil rights (for both minorities and women). Today, there are so many mini-battles to fight: you can be an activist against fluoridation, GMO's, vaccines, illegal wars in the Middle East, geoengineering, environmental destruction, the genocide in Palestine, the destruction of the rain forest, the erosion of civil liberties, etc. Each one of these issues, if one is truly an engaged activist, can take up all of one's free time, while the other battles rage on, seemingly unattended (at least by you). They are truly coming at us from all sides nowadays! And these mini-battles get so little attention, unlike the anti-war or civil rights movements, when media coverage was high. Today, the MSM certainly won't cover your anti-establishment/anti-corporate protests or victories (e.g., all those marches against Monsanto -- did they really happen?) and justice is rarely served through the court system, so it's often hard to build momentum or see real progress happening (even though I believe progress IS happening on many fronts).

    Second, sadly, many of us are now skeptical of any leadership. Now that we know that many of the heroes and icons of the 60's-70's were not really who they said they were (i.e., many of them working for intelligence), it's pretty difficult not to think the same of any "leader" who comes along and initially looks good now. And once someone gains some leadership traction, soon enough the accusations fly about who that person really is and what agenda he/she might really have underneath all that good-sounding talk. Consider the "leaders" in the geoengineering camp, with Dane Wigington and Michael Murphy -- didn't they already turn on each other? With the internet allowing anyone to comment on/call into question someone’s motives, I wonder if John Lennon would even survive scrutiny today?

    Still, I am all for this call to action! I still engage in some genuine activism on a few things I feel strongly about. And then sometimes I sit in front of my computer and simply click on a "donate" button or add my name to some “protest this and that” list that is supposedly going to my elected representatives at some point….I know, it’s probably not doing much.

    And then sometimes I just spend hours getting lost here on PA. I’ve been doing that a lot more in the last few weeks for some reason. Maybe it IS just some sort of an escape mechanism. (or maybe too many times being shut down by family and friends on things that are happening in the world has prompted me to retreat to a place where many others are having the same experiences).

    I do learn a lot here too. In fact, it was this forum that led me to Steven Druker’s book on GMO’s, which has led to some genuine activism and action. I don’t believe that Thoughts alone will change this reality or manifest much. While thoughts may be powerful matches, they have to be followed up with both Plans and Action in order to start a fire.

    I’d love to hear about what other PA members are doing to change the world. Let’s inspire one another.

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    The counter-culture then had very little competition for our attention. Now there are endless albums, tv shows, performers, artists, books and magazines. Culture, such as it is, has been minced into the narrowest interest or the blandest broadest rehash. All this while people (at least Americans) are getting stupider. Stupider and more distracted with a variety of media and devices. Circling and rehashing but doing nothing. We need to start as Bill's hummingbirds, doing what little we can, then we will organically overlap and strengthen.

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    War, terror is constantly in the headlines and I just saw this article about WW11
    booby traps. We tend to look back with nostalgia and although it lasted only 6
    years in Europe 1939 -45. We have been celebrating ever since it seems as a glory
    period , when in fact it was a horrific period for millions, like the Middle east today,
    and indeed you could pin the growth of the US mil ind complex & corporate empire
    building from 1941 onwards . Anyway what prompted me to post the article is the
    little vid that goes with it and who is in charge of MI5's tiny counter - sabotage
    unit...LOL. Just amused me, Victor Rothchilds in MI5.....

    Quote The 25 drawings, exquisite examples of 1940s draughtsmanship, were
    commissioned from Laurence Fish by Victor Rothschild. Rothschild and his secretary
    (later his wife) made up two-thirds of MI5's tiny counter-sabotage unit.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------



    Drawings reveal Germans' World War Two boobytrap bombs

    By Nick Higham
    BBC News
    30 September 2015....From the section UK



    Laurence Fish was recruited by MI5 to design
    hidden booby trap bombs during the war

    Drawings of wartime boobytrap bombs, including an exploding
    chocolate bar and devices intended to sink ships, have been
    rediscovered after 70 years

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34396939

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    This is another ancient topic. trying to be exposed by the alternate press and
    supressed by the authorities.This is a subject everyone should be aware and
    this is a good current discussion on the subject. Robes and hooded figures
    and explicit description of some of the ritual activities , they hint at high profile
    people being involved. They do not connect the dots to possible Reptilian and
    royal links that David Icke and others speculate about, but its not that much of
    a stretch to consider this possibility with what we are learning about aspects of
    our reality , and how it has been covered up.

    UK Column Live - Satanic Ritual Abuse ( SRA ), establishment cover it up.



    Published on 29 Sep 2015
    Special studio guest: child protection campaigner of 22 years’ standing Wilfred
    Wong, originally trained as a barrister and with expertise in Satanic ritual abuse.
    A screen warning is displayed: the subject is disturbing and unsuitable for children
    and some young people, but necessary for adults to understand.
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    The Two Most Defiant Acts

    A significant part of today's counter culture are those who are interested in self reliance, and doing something about it.
    It is a safe bet that the control freaks plan to make us so uncomfortable that we will accept their "solution".
    Interruption of supply lines for food, fuel and electrical power blackouts must be options on their table.
    Add to that an economic system where the total debt of all humans exceeds the total cash of all humans (except for the control freaks).

    How many can resist manipulation that severe?

    Being self reliant, to any degree, helps to mitigate the risks ahead.

    Self reliance and supporting one's neighbor are defiant acts in the face of the control freaks.

    Acting from inspiration (are we meditating yet?), not from anxiety or fear, is the best we can do.
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Bill,
    I understand your anxiety. Even on this website, some have lost focus. I am not as spiritual as I should be. I should be meditating on a regular basis, but I don't. I should be doing more, but I'm not. I'm surviving. I think I'm the one you are trying to get proactive. I'm sorry if it turns out that enough of us didn't get more proactive to save the world. It will be a shame. But I don't think that's gonna happen. I think we are going to kick their ass. I don't know that it'll be easy, but I think their karma is going to catch up with them, and I think the Universe has had enough. This world is very sick, but there are some incredible people here at this time. You are one of them. Your team is nothing less than spectacular. I'm glad I'm apart of it, even though my contribution is very small. When the SHTF, and I guess we're waiting for them to make their move(for better or worse), I will devote my time to positive meditation. Maybe I'll learn what all they hype is about. I hope so.
    So in closing, I'll just say....fear not, because we are all with you.
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
    A significant part of today's counter culture are those who are interested in self reliance, and doing something about it.
    It is a safe bet that the control freaks plan to make us so uncomfortable that we will accept their "solution".
    Interruption of supply lines for food, fuel and electrical power blackouts must be on their table.
    Add to that an economic system where the total debt of all humans exceeds the total cash of all humans (except for the control freaks).

    Self reliance and supporting one's neighbor are defiant acts in the face of the control freaks.
    Brilliant, Ron! Thank you so much

    I truly believe that we have to agree to go, and that they are getting very close to succeeding. But I do not give my consent. I will not go. I don't care how many others go. I will not leave.

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    counterculture has evolved and the main difference right now is that back then physical action was much more present than today, what I do on my part is try to change people minds with quotes and ideas that they might never even thought of before, try to change their perspective in a positive way, a lot of people have asked me ''Why you are always so calm when bad things happen?'' and I reply with ''Because it doesn't really matter if I get mad or scared or anxious, that is not going to solve anything, what I must do is think of a solution instaed of losing control''

    I think that the best think we can do is start spreading all of what we know with our family, our friends, people who are close to us and we think they can get involved.. Most of all our family because even though we must change now, they will continue to do so with theirs in the future..

    and Like Carmody said ''And if someone won't listen, don't get caught up in fencing with them. Drop it and move on to someone who will.''

    If each one of us is successful in changing someone's mind that would double our numbers, and if they change someone's mind that will go on and on....

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    I'm even doing this right now. I'm sitting on my computer, pretty much preaching to the choir... I am not out there this morning planting trees............But we are (in my opinion) WAY WAY WAY too preoccupied with (and often diverted and distracted by) ethereal concepts like 'Wave X', CERN (I am NOT convinced, at all, that it's anything other than a supercollider), the possible mystical effects of comets and Blood Moons, channeled messages from 'Ascended Masters', unprovable subjective recall and perception, and multidimensional phenomena that may or may not have any reality at all.
    Bravo Bill!........Words well spoken, and words that needed to be said.

    This forum serves such an exremely useful purpose, in that it can plant seeds, but it must be kept in balance. Getting of our butts, and doing anything, anything at all, to benefit out neighbour, community, our environment, is just as, if not more important, and begs for our attention. That'll score you more cosmic points than you can imagine.

    Onya Bill

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