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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

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    Even if we succeed in waking everyone up, toss out the scum, and then start over, we still haven't solved the root cause of the problem. No revolution in the history of man has ever been successful in healing mans nature of violence, greed or lust for power. We can change the form all we want, but eventually it will crumble just like every other form has.
    The revolution has to come from within. Each person who can overcome their base nature and realize that only love can build something permanent, will have succeeded on their part.
    The US constitution couldn't keep corrupt people from completely ignoring the law and doing as they pleased. Only the conscience of morally strong people can protect what is right and just.
    We can't expect other people to do all the work of rooting out their dark nature in order that we have a more pleasant place to live. We each need to do our part, and provide an example of the type of person we would want to have as a neighbor.
    To say that mankind's violence, greed or lust for power is natural..... that has to be the most successful psy-op ever. I'm not buying it. It's not natural it's catering to psychopaths
    Everything but unconditional love is unnatural if you're looking from the standpoint of the Creator. Therefore, the nature of anyone who is not expressing this attribute 24/7 is an expression of something else.
    The ego is what gets us into to trouble, and everyone on this planet has one. You don't have to be a psychopath to crave power, wealth and the subservience of others. We all have ability to become monsters or saints. Fear and guilt drive the ego in its myriad of expressions. Until we face our fears they will continue to be our masters. Fear and guilt are the real oppressors, not the external manifestations of these attributes. That's why I suggest we get in there and do some work with the shovel of self examination, before condemning others.
    Gandhi is a good example of what I'm trying to say here. He did the inner work, and as a result was able to inspire people because he was what he preached. He liberated India out of the shear force of his convictions.
    We also influence those around us by who we are, not by what we say. We change the world most effectively by becoming the change we want to see. Example is a very powerful tool.

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    I agree with much that has been said about counterculture today. I don't have much to add on that - but in many ways I do believe we are in a much better place than we were in the 60s and 70s. The energy of the planet, and human consciousness, is a lot higher now than it was then. Counterculture was not all for nought, and progress is still being made.

    It’s worth, just for a moment here, to take a look at what happened to counterculture, and why it went away. I believe counterculture failed simply because ‘they’ deployed the most devastating weapon in their arsenal to destroy it (or at least control it): distraction. As Bill said of the equivalent of counterculture today, distraction is still their most potent tool. Today we are distracted almost to the point of paralysis. Distraction turns us away from what is really important, to focus on what is not. What distracts most of us (and the masses) today is the fundamental need to survive. Survival shouldn't and wouldn't be the most important thing in our lives if this was a fair and prosperous world, governed by kind, honest people. They are anything but that. They have the vast majority of us deprived, in debt, and struggling for daily survival - to pay bills, put food on the table etc, and there’s little time or opportunity for anything else. Back then, even the most ardent hippies eventually came out of the communes: “was fun while it lasted, man, the sixties are over, man, I should really get a job now...” Consumerism. We all pursue it. We can't help it. There aren’t many nice shiny things in a commune. And people want nice shiny things, and in order to have nice shiny things, they need money.

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    Counterculture became just a countercult, it went underground - that’s where we are now, living in that ghetto. Those on the outside (the majority, the masses) know we’re down here, but to them it’s a laughing matter. We’re insane. Do we really believe what we say we believe? We must be insane! But the very same (obvious) truths available to us, are available to them. Why do they ignore them? Because they’re asleep. This is the other thing ‘they’ did to counterculture. They put its very soul to sleep, first with the hypnotic spell that taught the lesson that politicians won’t change, religion won’t change, no institution you oppose will ever change - nothing you try to do will ever matter, it is futile, because we’re in charge, and we say nothing will ever change. This, along with an incessant drive to consume killed it. The need to survive equals submission to the system, which disqualifies any kind of nonconformity.

    A dumbing down of individual thought is the result - is chemtrails a part of this as well, or fluoride? Call it whatever, the only thing that really changed on the surface was counterculture itself. They changed it (back), and it all but vanished. It went back to sleep and forgot all about it. But for a flash here and a flash there (Occupy Wall St for example), most people rolled over and went back to sleep – and they need that sleep, because hey, it’s a busy day tomorrow! Have to pay this bill, have to pay that bill, have to get food on the table ready for supper. Etc. Oh, and I mustn’t miss X Factor, God forbid!

    Just the other day at work, I tried to engage a colleague in a conversation on a particular esoteric matter involving geopolitics and the wider picture, because I thought he was intelligent, and that he’d be interested (and he probably would've been). But no sooner had I started talking, when he said ‘hang on’, and bowed his head to look at his cell phone. For the next 10minutes (which is all we had during this break period), he proceeded to stare at his cell phone, feeding his inner zombie, cooing over the latest “App”, or whatever it was. These phones, and other gadgets and gizmos, are also a kind of distraction. A constant distraction. They are setup to act as a fundamental disconnect, they are engineered for it, almost to the point of addiction. And we’re little better off, sitting here at our computers I suppose. In the 60s and 70s counterculture was in the streets. Now it sits at a computer desk, drinking cups of tea.
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    This is such a huge question, I hesitate to even try to frame any answer. . . .how does one measure the success of a counterculture?

    I think there was perhaps greater idealism in the 60s/70s (and possibly a greater creative impulse in the popular music of that time? Not only the American & UK protest singers, but also Germans such as Nina Hagen & Konstantin Wecker - think Naturtranen or Hexeneinmaleins, although the latter was probably later) There was the so-called beat generation, in particular I think of the book The Third Mind, Alan Ginsberg & Jack Kerouac and also creative approaches to writing from South America (Julio Cortazar with Rayuela = again, later, but still in that experimental genre, which I suspect actually transcends the time demarcations we give them.)

    There have always been those in every generation who question society and push the envelope. What about James Joyce, years before, but still relevant, perhaps, as a sort of literary Koan?

    The powers that be were not overthrown by any of this/us; yet perhaps now we are more aware, via the internet etc, and possibly more humans are waking up to the rights of all living beings. But counter cultures also generate their own Mythologies; there are still certain rules & agendas in place. I wonder if counter-cultures are "cultivated" by the Powers for their own ends?

    I agree intuitively that there is an End Game we are involved in now; recently I heard the words as I awoke, "The line has been drawn!" Perhaps we are heading into Chaos, which is still more Creative than stasis. . . . .

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    You can see Harald's latest videos and latest posts from his Facebook page on the thread starting with this post:
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1003827

    Until very recently, he was giving us scientific information, along with some more diverse and abstract info from Cara St.Louis, Lily Earthling and a few others, that connected a lot of dots concerning chemtrails, Morgellon's, fracking on ley lines, fluoride, GMOs and other toxins and how they all work together to dumb us down and disconnect us from our higher selves and from Gaia, etc.
    The recent trend which was a shocker for a lot of us, I'm sure, is that he is talking now about a couple who he and his girlfriend have been getting healing and info from who he says are members of a group of very powerful beings he calls the "Elderer". They've told him they are so powerful they are creators of planets, that they have now gained control over the Archons and that they are going to be running the game now because humans have lost our rudder, that their 2 year old son is Jesus incarnate, and more.
    Anything is possible theoretically, at least, but aside from the fantastic nature of these claims, the abrupt change in trajectory and the anger that he expresses toward friends who have expressed concern at the sudden shift doesn't sound like the kind of response you would expect from someone who says he has been receiving healing, inspiration and ego release on a grand scale.
    It's too early to know much for certain, but it does feel to me like something worthy of concern, especially since the info Harald was providing before was so worthwhile, and he seems to normally be a very grounded, patient and reasonable man.
    I wonder not so much if he has been "taken over", but if he is perhaps being forced under threat to discredit himself because he has been providing info so important that the PTB felt he had to be stopped.

    update PS Please note what was written concerning the question about the Reptilians:
    Quote Q:What about the Reptilians? Do they have “guardians” or "Elderer" too, who can render them harmless as well?
    A: The reptilians were archonic delusions. In the course of history the Archons manipulated the humans to work on genetic experimentation with humans. The beginnings of these experiments can be found in Egypt where they combined animal and human genes. In reality these hybrid forms which were masqueraded as "Gods" in the Egyptian mythology were genetic experiments. On one hand they were meant to help to manipulate the humans, on the other hand these were attempts to create bodies the Archons could physically access. However these hybrid bodies were not viable for long and had a very short lifetime. Finally the Archons found a way of genetic manipulation through which the bodies were of higher endurance. These beings are known as the illuminati bloodlines. From then on it became possible for the Archons to dock onto these bodies for a while and finally take them over. In this process the being who actually inhabits the body is forced to leave it. This is done by cruel (early childhood) torture and other methods. When the archons are not docked on, these bodies are like empty shells because the being who actually inhabits the body doesn't want to step back completely into it out of traumatization. This is why it was easy for the Archons to inhabit such a body over a longer period of time. The reptilian appearance was basically a delusion created by the Archons inhabiting these bodies.
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    As James Horak says, they won't wake up until they go without food for a few days.

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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Really appreciate this thread Bill. Thank you!

    It is difficult to gauge the success of the counter-culture today versus any other, as the stage on which we play is always a moving target, literally and figuratively. Our communication venues would suggest that we are growing further and further apart at an ever increasing speed, and ironically, so is everything else in the universe.

    To determine probability of succeeding at taking back our power, what would be our measuring stick? Awareness? Self Awareness? Happiness? or rather dissatisfaction. Maybe that's it. Perhaps dissatisfaction. Would measuring just how royally Pissed off the general populace is tell us if we are on the precipice of affecting societal change? Or will the disgruntled merely turn off as part of their primal self preservation biological programming? As many members here have suggested, those of us who know and see typically just drop out of the game as much as possible due to the awareness of just how big the world is and just how diverse we all are. Like the Proverbial cat herding exercise. And don't think for a minute that the elite aren't aware of and foster our diversity. They thrive on keeping us apart.

    So what do we know about the elite's strategies to maintain their stronghold?

    1. They have systematically, through war and planned economic crises, increased their wealth exponentially over the last ten years.
    2. They have made themselves invisible through their dummy corporations and spider web corporate and institutional connections.
    3. They have intentionally dumbed down the population through psychological, educational and biological means.
    4. They have destroyed so much of the Earth's ecosystem while pumping us full of GMOs and pharmaceuticals.
    5. They orchestrate and manipulate currency to induce fear and create a sense of scarcity, thus turning mankind into compliant slaves and pitting us against each other for resources.
    6. They create distraction that divides (media, culture, internet, etc) How can we ever reach consensus when we are all looking at different things?
    7. They throw just enough crumbs to fool us into thinking we are free and they know when to sweep up the crumbs when we step out of line (think 2008 housing/employment crisis).

    And what do we know about the average person today?

    1. Nose to the grindstone, trying to keep heads above water
    2. Kept in a constant state of anxiety and fear- cortisol and adrenaline overload
    3. Distracted with nonsensical entertainment
    4. In a state of constant neurotoxicity from environment/foodstuffs.
    5. Happy to stay in stasis if basic needs being met.
    6. Happy to cut your throat if needs not being met.

    Although the generation of the late 60's/early 70's was infinitely more intellectual and much less toxic, they were happy to sell out and take the paycheck in the 80's. Was this biology at play (feathering their nests/reproductive drive) or were they resigning themselves to a system much too big to fight.

    Looking back at the Roman Empire we see the same patterns of deprivation, fear and reward. All at the hands of those who hold the wealth and resources.

    Until mankind uses the lessons learned from experience and from prior generations, there is little hope that he can affect change necessary to upend an aeons old system. Mankind absolutely must refuse to sell out at any cost including their own health, safety, comfort, lives of their loved ones and children, roofs over their heads and food in their stomach. That's not going to happen. Not during the Roman Empire, not the 60's, not today. People want to be the pets/slaves/chattel of the system. If they didn't it wouldn't be this way.

    I have come to the conclusion that this indeed is a prison plant. A hell, but a benign and beautiful hell. Just enough to keep us here. I think that when we finally awaken and acknowledge the evil here, that we are granted passage elsewhere (eventually). I don't think that the nature this world is intended for or capable of change. I think its programmed in as part of our incarceration.

    Sorry to be a buzz kill. Just my observations.

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    Change the world by changing yourself, lead by example....
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Ted (here)
    Gandhi is a good example of what I'm trying to say here. He did the inner work, and as a result was able to inspire people because he was what he preached. He liberated India out of the shear force of his convictions.
    We also influence those around us by who we are, not by what we say. We change the world most effectively by becoming the change we want to see. Example is a very powerful tool.
    Great post, but to be honest, Gandhi liberated India right into polar extremes between haves and have nots. Not a nice place for most Indians. His liberation created great poverty and suffering. That's the thing with the elites. They only do what suits them. England let India go. Post war rebuild took precedence.
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    I was a kind of Flower Child in the 60s and 70s, lived in a commune which was also a Zen Center in the mountains of Virginia, ate organic, meditated, experimented with mind-altering drugs, went to peace rallies, studied all kinds of revolutionary perspectives from the counter-culture from Yoga to Wicca to Feminism to paranormal and psychic phenomena.
    Witnessed a tremendous amount of dysfunction in the counter-culture, but was still thankful it was happening--anything was better than submitting passively to the status quo.
    Had some enlightenment experiences, a NDE which slowed me down a lot so I moved further into spiritual and astral experience..
    Just being a part of all that seemed like enough at the time, there was enough of a feeling of mutual support to remain feeling optimistic, but 911 changed that.
    Delving into conspiracy theory turned my world upside down, made me feel like I'd only been half awake.
    That was when I began being more pro-active.
    Because of physical injuries sustained from the NDE, I wasn't able to physically participate in protests and other actions, but my computer enabled me to join with many non-profits and other organizations focused on creating positive change (including Avalon, of course), by signing petitions, writing letters to Congress, networking in various ways to raise consciousness.
    I still spend lots of hours every week doing that, and I see clear evidence that it's having an effect when enough people do this.
    If I could find a good meditation group locally that was focusing on creating positive change, I would do that, too.
    (I don't feel drawn to long distance groups very much.)
    It may seem too simple a solution to the sense of helplessness that many people feel, but I really think if more people would simply choose some good causes to support and work for, it would make a big difference in our general well being and in creating more positive and creative energy on the planet.
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    Default Re: Is the counterculture today doing a better job than the counterculture in the 60s and 70s?

    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Dear Friends,

    I want to start a discussion on the counterculture today.

    I've said many times that we've had two chances before in history to take back the planet.

    • The first was 2,000 years ago, and that was taken over and failed.
    • The second was in the '60s and early '70s. That also failed.

    The third is now. We won't get a fourth chance.
    ...
    My analysis includes two primary observations:

    1.) that many people erroneously think that hippies and yippies protesting in the streets ended the Vietnam war - that is, they believe that street protest was (and still can be) successful.

    2.) that the trajectory of activism was and still is wrong: there has always been the (insane!) unspoken foregone conclusion that those in power would stay in power, and that citizens addressing government officials could lead to solutions.

    I won't launch into a full analysis, but the war in Vietnam was ended when the very powerful (non-elected oligarchs and militarists) people that pull the strings of the US federal government decided to end THAT one war. They knew full well that there would be another war, and another, and another. Peace never happened, the war was simply suspended long enough for the commoners (that would be us) to go back to our distractions. What stayed in our collective psyche was the false notion that if enough people yell about something, that something will be fixed. This false belief is still alive and well in most activists, and following it guarantees failure of the activism. Translation: Don't yell at bad guys to "stop being bad guys!" - it doesn't work. They may hide some illegal activity better, or simply apply a PR spin, but the bad guys don't become good guys because a bunch of people yelled at them (or petitioned them, or voted for or against them, within the current totally rigged election system.)

    We even have brilliant authors like Chris Hedges promoting street protest as the only way to get regime change (but he also fails to address the reality that the "new" regime, baked in the current oven, will be just more Elite-aligned puppets - because the issue of the Elite control of elections was never effectively addressed.)

    There is a HUGE difference between activism and effective activism.

    For major, permanent, positive change to occur, not only do those within the current regime need to be dismissed/removed, but the entire electoral system for choosing new government officeholders has to be attacked, disassembled, transformed and reassembled by citizens outside the corporatocracy matrix to ensure that the ilk of the Elite's marionettes do not simply flood right back into control of governance.

    Many activists see their job as publicly expressing discontent toward the current government's current cadre of puppets, and/or reporting on governmental abuses. I do see the alternate reporting as critical to swelling the ranks with people aware of what the real problem is, but so far, the activist-reporters haven't spread the news that an electoral paradigm transformation is required, first, before citizens will gain control. Rather, the activist reporters are like "ambulance chasers" reacting to the current crisis, or worse, like Great Dane owners bending over with a plastic bag to grab yet another huge stinky pile - content to be "stinky pile handlers", instead of effective activists.

    You can't solve a problem if you don't even know what the problem is.

    The problem is: (and this is true for every country around the world, not just the "bombs bursting in air" one) Oligarchs have representatives. Plutocrats have representatives. Kleptocrats have representatives. Banksters have representatives. Corporatists have representatives. Militarists and spying/surveillance/intelligence agencies have representatives. Big Energy has representatives, as does Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Education, and every other faction of psychopathic-capitalists-on-steroids have representatives... but ordinary citizens don't.

    Now, how in the hell are we citizens going to direct a change towards benevolence, compassion, and peace and abundance for all when we have no representatives, no representation, no voice, no legislative power? That's not a rhetorical question, but rather one deserving an answer: we cannot!

    We must gain control over the electoral paradigm first, to gain control over our own governance. ALL of the huge societal problems, domestic and foreign issues can be solved, but they will NOT be solved by leaving the Elite's representatives in power or by leaving the Elite's self-serving electoral paradigm intact to guarantee that they will remain in power.

    {edit, to add}
    I also want to focus on the false dichotomy that says you must choose either activism directed at improving your own self, or activism externally directed. Of course, it's important - critical even - to work on ourselves, but why would that preclude also including external activism? Both are needed - and it is the external activism that, if comprehensive enough, will allow us to take control over our own governance, to end the reign of terror of the psychopathic Elite, and to co-create a truly beneficent reality.
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    Dennis,

    As usual, brilliant and poignant post. I just have one question about having representatives. Do we need them? How could our voices be heard without others speaking on our behalf?

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    Until mankind uses the lessons learned from experience and from prior generations, there is little hope that he can affect change necessary to upend an aeons old system. Mankind absolutely must refuse to sell out at any cost including their own health, safety, comfort, lives of their loved ones and children, roofs over their heads and food in their stomach. That's not going to happen. Not during the Roman Empire, not the 60's, not today. People want to be the pets/slaves/chattel of the system. If they didn't it wouldn't be this way.

    I have come to the conclusion that this indeed is a prison plant. A hell, but a benign and beautiful hell. Just enough to keep us here. I think that when we finally awaken and acknowledge the evil here, that we are granted passage elsewhere (eventually). I don't think that the nature this world is intended for or capable of change. I think its programmed in as part of our incarceration.

    Sorry to be a buzz kill. Just my observations.
    Great post, AriG. If this is a prison planet (and I'm not disagreeing with you), it would sure be nice if we could remember what we did to be placed here! (is that what they mean by "remember who you are"?! I was hoping to remember something a little more hopeful...) Are we the fallen angels of biblical lore? Did we commit some crime against the Universe/Natural Law that we collectively can't remember? Or did we simply get trapped here through no fault of our own?

    It would seem we would have to have some culpability for being put on a prison planet if we can escape once we "awaken and acknowledge the evil here." That suggests we have some role to play or some lesson to learn. But then how come those of us who have awakened to the evil here can't individually escape? Seems pretty cruel to tie our destinies to those watching the Kardashians every night or even actively participating in the evil.

    Or maybe that's what really happens to those truth-telling whistleblowers or counterculture heroes who are "disappeared" -- maybe they've done enough to try to change this prison planet for the rest of us that they've been granted passage elsewhere...

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    Quote Posted by AriG (here)

    Until mankind uses the lessons learned from experience and from prior generations, there is little hope that he can affect change necessary to upend an aeons old system. Mankind absolutely must refuse to sell out at any cost including their own health, safety, comfort, lives of their loved ones and children, roofs over their heads and food in their stomach. That's not going to happen. Not during the Roman Empire, not the 60's, not today. People want to be the pets/slaves/chattel of the system. If they didn't it wouldn't be this way.

    I have come to the conclusion that this indeed is a prison plant. A hell, but a benign and beautiful hell. Just enough to keep us here. I think that when we finally awaken and acknowledge the evil here, that we are granted passage elsewhere (eventually). I don't think that the nature this world is intended for or capable of change. I think its programmed in as part of our incarceration.

    Sorry to be a buzz kill. Just my observations.
    Great post, AriG. If this is a prison planet (and I'm not disagreeing with you), it would sure be nice if we could remember what we did to be placed here! (is that what they mean by "remember who you are"?! I was hoping to remember something a little more hopeful...) Are we the fallen angels of biblical lore? Did we commit some crime against the Universe/Natural Law that we collectively can't remember? Or did we simply get trapped here through no fault of our own?

    It would seem we would have to have some culpability for being put on a prison planet if we can escape once we "awaken and acknowledge the evil here." That suggests we have some role to play or some lesson to learn. But then how come those of us who have awakened to the evil here can't individually escape? Seems pretty cruel to tie our destinies to those watching the Kardashians every night or even actively participating in the evil.

    Or maybe that's what really happens to those truth-telling whistleblowers or counterculture heroes who are "disappeared" -- maybe they've done enough to try to change this prison planet for the rest of us that they've been granted passage elsewhere...
    I just celebrated my 50th birthday..(half a century- yikes). At about 22, I started having really weird dreams. Dreams wherein I was being "called to court" for something I did. I was in total darkness, except for a bright spotlight shone upon me. I was unclothed. I recall sobbing and screaming and apologizing. I think I may have taken a life (in that other life before here).

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    Dennis,

    As usual, brilliant and poignant post. I just have one question about having representatives. Do we need them? How could our voices be heard without others speaking on our behalf?
    If we can do our banking on line, then we can vote important issues on line.
    Of course we would need to trash proprietary software and only use open source software to count the votes.
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    I'd like to thank all that contributes to this really valuable thread. I've seen very good informative threads on Avalon before, but this one gave me more insights & views than ever. This is a thread to print out and keep to read again from time to time - especially for ones who didnt experience 60s directly like me.

    As for stories being told nowadays, i didnt listen to HKV and dont know about sphere beings but it seems i havent missed much But i believe it is a bit unfair to consider today's "alternative information" only as wild fantasies (as these examples). There are much more dots to connect out in open now than ever for an average seeker. I see myself lucky to be alive in this age.

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    Dennis,

    As usual, brilliant and poignant post. I just have one question about having representatives. Do we need them? How could our voices be heard without others speaking on our behalf?
    Citizens attacking and overturning the electoral paradigm would create citizen governance and end corportocratic/oligarchic governance. Once we citizens become in-control of our own governance, then we could change the form of government, if we want to - or we might want to see what a "government of the people" even looks like. Changing our form of government as a first step, while the Elite hold all offices of high government, seems much harder to achieve.

    There's a jackboot on my neck right now. I want to get the boot off, first. Then, I can decide which hat to wear. :~)


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    Dennis,

    As usual, brilliant and poignant post. I just have one question about having representatives. Do we need them? How could our voices be heard without others speaking on our behalf?
    If we can do our banking on line, then we can vote important issues on line.
    Of course we would need to trash proprietary software and only use open source software to count the votes.

    Bingo!.....................

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    Did not watch the second video. However, the first missed some important things in the background, such as George Green's bankers who picked Mr. Carter for president before most of the country knew who he was, the next president supposedly made friends with the Russians when all along the Cold War was a huge FRAUD perpetrated to skin Americans of money for the space program. Let us not forget Pres. Kennedy's speech re the plot against the people of the world as partially outlined on the Georgia Guidestones. This entailed several wars including WWIII. In the early 1960's the young were set up with the use of DOPE which accelerated to the Bush/Clinton dope traffic. Alongside this was created free sex and AIDS engineered to wipe the people out. It was interesting to read on the internet that Castro was a CIA asset used during Kennedy's time to set up the Cold War tension between Cuba and USA, when all along the Rockefeller's reputedly had the sole rights to oil fields around Cuba. Recently, I read they are getting out of Oil; therefore, Cuba and USA will be friends again. It seems clear to me that the secret societies ordered by the main bankers and their think tanks have plotted everything that happens with variations along the way ending in the original Goal.

    The only way out is the way they use against us. If you remove them all you must have worked out a method whereby the individual has serious input into the government and in fact IS the government. We must go back to community control up and not Criminal Violent Control down. Due to living on the National/International level of control and the money system, the structure is so complex that one would require a Doctorate to manage it. They have removed power from the States and Congress by buying them out yearly, therefore the current rubbish about elections means nothing in the end, since THEY MANIPULATE ALL THE PUPPETS. Iran with the bomb is the card up their sleeves, WWIII and global ruin, even to them; however, they are too greedy to see it.

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    What would John Lennon say to us now... if he could? Perhaps this...
    Be Flexible, In Body and Mind... Be Wise and Prize What You Find... Be Clear, No Fear to Blind... Be Nice, Think Twice, Be Kind

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    The revolutionary act of telling the truth

    By David Icke on 3rd October 2015 Activism, The Awakening



    ===========================================






    The revolutionary act of telling the truth

    By John Pilger

    ‘George Orwell said, “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

    These are dark times, in which the propaganda of deceit touches all our lives. It is as if
    political reality has been privatised and illusion legitimised. The information age is a
    media age. We have politics by media; censorship by media; war by media; retribution
    by media; diversion by media – a surreal assembly line of clichés and false assumptions.

    Wondrous technology has become both our friend and our enemy. Every time we turn
    on a computer or pick up a digital device – our secular rosary beads – we are subjected
    to control: to surveillance of our habits and routines, and to lies and manipulation.’

    Edward Bernays, who invented the term, "public relations" as a euphemism for "propaganda",
    predicted this more than 80 years ago. He called it, "the invisible government".

    He wrote, "Those who manipulate this unseen element of [modern democracy] constitute an
    invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country... We are governed, our
    minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of... "


    The aim of this invisible government is the conquest of us: of our political consciousness, our
    sense of the world, our ability to think independently, to separate truth from lies.


    This is a form of fascism, a word we are rightly cautious about using, preferring to leave it in
    the flickering past. But an insidious modern fascism is now an accelerating danger. As in the
    1930s, big lies are delivered with the regularity of a metronome. Muslims are bad. Saudi
    bigots are good. ISIS bigots are bad. Russia is always bad. China is getting bad. Bombing
    Syria is good. Corrupt banks are good. Corrupt debt is good. Poverty is good. War is normal.

    Those who question these official truths, this extremism, are deemed in need of a lobotomy -
    until they are diagnosed on-message. The BBC provides this service free of charge. Failure
    to submit is to be tagged a "radical" - whatever that means.


    Real dissent has become exotic; yet those who dissent have never been more important.
    The book I am launching tonight, 'The WikiLeaks Files', is an antidote to a fascism that
    never speaks its name. It's a revolutionary book, just as WikiLeaks itself is revolutionary
    - exactly as Orwell meant in the quote I used at the beginning. For it says that we need
    not accept these the daily lies. We need not remain silent. Or as Bob Marley once sang:
    "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery."


    In the introduction, Julian Assange explains that it is never enough to publish the secret
    messages of great power: that making sense of them is crucial, as well as placing them
    in the context of today and historical memory.That is the remarkable achievement of this
    anthology, which reclaims our memory. It connects the reasons and the crimes that have
    caused so much human turmoil, from Vietnam and Central America, to the Middle East
    and Eastern Europe, with the matrix of rapacious power, the United States.

    There is currently an American and European attempt to destroy the government of Syria.
    Prime Minister David Cameron is especially keen. This is the same David Cameron I remember
    as an unctuous PR man employed by an asset stripper of Britain's independent commercial television.


    Cameron, Obama and the ever obsequious Francois Hollande want to destroy the last remaining
    multi-cultural authority in Syria, an action that will surely make way for the fanatics of ISIS.
    This is insane, of course, and the big lie justifying this insanity is that it is in support of Syrians
    who rose against Bashar al-Assad in the Arab Spring. As The WikiLeaks Files reveals, the destruction
    of Syria has long been a cynical imperial project that pre-dates the Arab Spring uprising against Assad.


    To the rulers of the world in Washington and Europe, Syria's true crime is not the oppressive nature
    of its government but its independence from American and Israeli power - just as Iran's true crime
    is its independence, and Russia's true crime is its independence, and China's true crime is its independence.
    In an American-owned world, independence is intolerable.This book reveals these truths, one after the
    other. The truth about a war on terror that was always a war of terror; the truth about Guantanamo, the
    truth about Iraq, Afghanistan, Latin America.


    Never has such truth-telling been so urgently needed. With honourable exceptions, those in the media
    paid ostensibly to keep the record straight are now absorbed into a system of propaganda that is no
    longer journalism, but anti-journalism. This is true of the liberal and respectable as it is of Murdoch.
    Unless you are prepared to monitor and deconstruct every specious assertion, so-called news has
    become unwatchable and unreadable.


    Reading The WikiLeaks Files, I remembered the words of the late Howard Zinn, who often referred to
    "a power that governments can't suppress". That describes WikiLeaks, and it describes true
    whistleblowers who share their courage.On a personal note, I have known the people of WikiLeaks
    for some time now. That they have achieved what they have in circumstances not of their choosing
    is a source of constant admiration. Their rescue of Edward Snowden comes to mind. Like him, they
    are heroic: nothing less.


    Sarah Harrison's chapter, 'Indexing the Empire', describes how she and her comrades set up an entire
    Public Library of US Diplomacy. There are more than two million documents, now available to all.
    "Our work," she writes, "is dedicated to making sure history belongs to everyone." How thrilling it
    is to read those words, which also stand as a tribute to her own courage.From the confinement of a
    room in the Ecuadorean embassy in London, the courage of Julian Assange is an eloquent response
    to the cowards who have smeared him and the rogue power seeking revenge on him and waging a
    war on democracy.

    None of this has deterred Julian and his comrades at WikiLeaks: not one bit. Isn't that something?


    The WikiLeaks Files: the World According to the US Empire is published by Verso

    Follow John Pilger on twitter @johnpilger


    Read more: The revolutionary act of telling the truth

    http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-r...ling-the-truth
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