Another mass shooting in the US, Umpqua Community College, Oregon

[East Sun]

False flags are 'engineered' to fool the gullible into giving up their right to bear arms. Don't buy into their deception.

[observer]

I respect Jim Marrs with the highest degree of honor. Jim has said many times (and I paraphrase), "as long as there is one individual with a gun on the planet, and I don't care if it's even the police or the military, than by gosh, I'm gonna have a gun."

Makes sense to me. Where's the argument?

Now.... perhaps those members supporting, "taking the fire arms away", should do some deeper research into what is really going-on. That's what the Avalon experience is supposed to be about....

[Mike]

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
...But something's gotta change..

No, it doesn't.

The reason I say this is because the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. The Second Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights, which is part of the Constitution. The only way to change the Second Amendment is to change the Constitution, something the PTB would just LOVE to do. To change the Second Amendment, a Constitutional Convention would have to be called (if I remember civics class correctly),

A constitutional convention is a gathering for the purpose of writing a new constitution or revising an existing constitution. A general constitutional convention is called to create the first constitution of a political unit or to entirely replace an existing constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti...itical_meeting)

Do you really think that the power-mad psychopaths would stop at changing the Second Amendment? I don't. I think that if the Second Amendment were used as a pretext to call a Constitutional Convention, we would be left with no Bill of Rights and no Constitution at all.

I don't think the men writing the constitution ever imagined the possibility of school shootings. How could they? They were clearly very wise men, and i think if they were alive today they'd be wise enough to endorse some form of gun restriction. The 2nd Amendment exists because at that time states were at war with states and there were renegade indians running wild etc...it was a very dangerous time

The constitution is a wonderful document, but as humanity grows and evolves, it needs its laws to reflect that.

I don't think it serves anyone to cling to laws or ideas that no longer serve us. If we did, I s'pose we'd still be killing people who worked on the sabbath

I'm not suggesting all guns be removed from the population and declared illegal. But something must change. If it doesnt, these events will continue ad nauseum. I mean, are you OK with this???...as some sort of lesser of the evils evil??? I don't really follow you on this one Selkie..

[Gaia]

Posted by East Sun (here)
False flags are 'engineered' to fool the gullible into giving up their right to bear arms. Don't buy into their deception.

Fyi to all : https://shar.es/17QJy2

[Calz]

Posted by Mike (here)

I don't think the men writing the constitution ever imagined the possibility of school shootings. How could they?

Fair enough ... I don't think those writing the constitution envisioned mind control so complete that there could be nearly an unlimited number of "postal people".

[Mike]

Posted by East Sun (here)
False flags are 'engineered' to fool the gullible into giving up their right to bear arms. Don't buy into their deception.

This is a very lazy way of justifying gun ownership, imo.....to sit back and without emotion declare all these events "false flags". It's profoundly arrogant and not very intelligent. It conveniently removes all responsibility from oneself and places it on some very easy to blame conspiracy theory. It's the easy way out...and its totally lacking in intelligence, compassion and just plain common sense.

[Selkie]

Posted by Mike (here)
..I'm not suggesting all guns be removed from the population and declared illegal. But something must change. If it doesnt, these events will continue ad nauseum. I mean, are you OK with this???...as some sort of lesser of the evils evil??? I don't really follow you on this one Selkie..

I know you're not suggesting that, Mike. But clearly the PTB have it as their goal.

Its not that I'm "ok" with it. I hate these mass shootings as much as anyone. Its that I understand that crazy or bad people abusing our freedoms is one of the risks involved in living in a free society.

Someone will always, ALWAYS, ALWAYS abuse our freedoms, and the people who want us to have NO freedoms will always use that as a pretext to take all of our freedoms away from us in the name of the greater good.

So I say that we...yes we...should be willing to run the risk that some nut or nuts (if this is not a false flag) will abuse a basic freedom just so that we can have those basic freedoms.

[Cidersomerset]

Don't remember the source ... but allegedly there have been 19 instances of genocide on the planet ...

Good point Calz you got me thinking and I know your point , which is why
the first right to bear arms was included. The 13 colonies had just come
out of a civil war with Britain as until independence they were still
subjects of the German British King , that's why there were 'Hessian'
mercenaries , Scots ,Irish , welsh , English ,native Americans and
others fighting for the crown, and more or less the same ethnic groups
fighting for independence some of which were multi generational colonists who
thought themselves loyal to their 'State ' first , Crown second and the united states,
after hostilities began at Concorde and Bunker Hill, and if it was not for French
intervention and luck , Cornwallis would of won the Yorktown campaign and who
knows how long the war would have dragged on and who would of won. Though as
the States were moving west and south taking new states from other former French
and Spanish colonies and native peoples traditional lands. The US would have
eventually been formed one way or another, which eventually leads to the second
civil war between the north and South , and the genocide thru wars and disease of
the native American population.

Add to this it was only a decade or so after the Anglo / French American wars
part of the seven years war in Europe .When the British and colonist and native
forces defeated Gen Montcalm at Quebec and took over the former French colony
of Canada. This is partly why the French were willing to recognise the colonies
fight against Britain and sent a French army and fleet to aid General Washington
which was the deciding factor in the surrender of Gen Cornwallis at Yorktown.
Which more or less signalled the end for the crown as war was brewing in Europe
again and the empire was expanding elsewhere, and the rest is history...



War Profiteers & Population Control - USA at War 222 Years out of 239 Since 1776
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...239-Since-1776


Which is a long winded answer that America was born by the gun and its part
of the culture and its a complex issue.

[Mike]

Posted by Calz (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

I don't think the men writing the constitution ever imagined the possibility of school shootings. How could they?

Fair enough ... I don't think those writing the constitution envisioned mind control so complete that there could be nearly an unlimited number of "postal people".

I believe some forms of mind control exist. I also believe false flags have occured.

But we use these things carelessly and indiscriminately and irresponsibly Calzy. We externalize (thanks Ulli) waaaay too much on this forum. Way too much. It's a way of avoiding responsibility and the burden of rational thought.

That's my take

[Cidersomerset]

Don't remember the source ... but allegedly there have been 19 instances of genocide on the planet ...

I went completely off topic with my answer above , genocide some could consider
the 'flood' the first act of genocide but from the ancient world and possibly even
earlier 'galactic wars' Man has been killing man with what ever weapon they could
find or conceive. History is full of them from Biblical slaughter to the ancient
empires , to the Romans ,thru the centuries to the century of industrial death the
20th right up to today in the Middle East. It should be pointed out the Rwanda
massacres were done with machettes and other weapons.So it is not necessarily
the weapon but the 'conditioning' of the user . I looked on the genocide page and
there is a wide definition from many different cultures thru out history.
Not just the obvious ones like Germany , USSR and China there are many more
as you know.


This is an incomplete list that may never be able to satisfy particular standards for
completeness. You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_death_toll

[Mike]

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
..I'm not suggesting all guns be removed from the population and declared illegal. But something must change. If it doesnt, these events will continue ad nauseum. I mean, are you OK with this???...as some sort of lesser of the evils evil??? I don't really follow you on this one Selkie..

I know you're not suggesting that, Mike. But clearly the PTB have it as their goal.

Its not that I'm "ok" with it. I hate these mass shootings as much as anyone. Its that I understand that crazy or bad people abusing our freedoms is one of the risks involved in living in a free society.

Someone will always, ALWAYS, ALWAYS abuse our freedoms, and the people who want us to have NO freedoms will always use that as a pretext to take all of our freedoms away from us in the name of the greater good.

So I say that we...yes we...should be willing to run the risk that some nut or nuts (if this is not a false flag) will abuse a basic freedom just so that we can have those basic freedoms.

I mean I agree with some of this...but to do nothing or to change nothing is insane!

(I wonder what Keel would say?)

[risveglio]

Posted by Mike (here)


Notice there's never any "mass stabbings"...or anything of that nature.

Especially here in the wild wide west

Good rant, absolutely no truth to it but a good rant

China mass stabbing: Deadly knife attack in Kunming
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

Mass Stabbing Reported at Houston-Area Community College
http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/...munity-college

Mother arrested for murder after 8 children found stabbed to death in Australian home
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...218-story.html

'Shy' student held in mass stabbing at Pa. school
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...bings/7498911/

Matthew de Grood charged in Calgary's 'worst mass murder'
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...rder-1.2610465

I can list about 20 more in a few minutes


... And the Wild West was not really that wild, that's all Hollywood.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Not-Wild-W.../dp/0804748543

[Selkie]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by Mike (here)
..I'm not suggesting all guns be removed from the population and declared illegal. But something must change. If it doesnt, these events will continue ad nauseum. I mean, are you OK with this???...as some sort of lesser of the evils evil??? I don't really follow you on this one Selkie..

I know you're not suggesting that, Mike. But clearly the PTB have it as their goal.

Its not that I'm "ok" with it. I hate these mass shootings as much as anyone. Its that I understand that crazy or bad people abusing our freedoms is one of the risks involved in living in a free society.

Someone will always, ALWAYS, ALWAYS abuse our freedoms, and the people who want us to have NO freedoms will always use that as a pretext to take all of our freedoms away from us in the name of the greater good.

So I say that we...yes we...should be willing to run the risk that some nut or nuts (if this is not a false flag) will abuse a basic freedom just so that we can have those basic freedoms.

I mean I agree with some of this...but to do nothing or to change nothing is insane!

(I wonder what Keel would say?)

But change it how? The only way to change the Constitution is with a Constitutional Convention, but that opens up the entire Constitution to be changed, or even to be morphed by the psychopaths into a form that is unrecognizable to us. The reason being that the Second Amendment cannot be changed any other way than through a Constitutional Convention. The PTB know this.

A lower law cannot change a higher law, and so the only way to effect real gun control would be to bring about a Constitutional Convention so that the Second Amendment, itself, could be changed.

But the PTB psychos will not stop there! They would like to do away with the US Constitution entirely. And that is what will happen if a Constitutional Convention is ever called in order to change the Second Amendment.

[Calz]

I mean I agree with some of this...but to do nothing or to change nothing is insane!

But change it how? The only way to change the Constitution is with a Constitutional Convention, but that opens up the entire Constitution to be changed, or even to be morphed by the psychopaths into a form that is unrecognizable to us. The reason being that the Second Amendment cannot be changed any other way than through a Constitutional Convention. The PTB know this.

[risveglio]

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by joeecho (here)
GUNS KILL PEOPLE is like saying parked cars run over and kill people of their own accord.

No it's not. In fact, that's a really dumb thing you just said there. Just dumb.

Ok, its like saying spoons make people fat?

[Calz]

Posted by risveglio (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by joeecho (here)
GUNS KILL PEOPLE is like saying parked cars run over and kill people of their own accord.

No it's not. In fact, that's a really dumb thing you just said there. Just dumb.

Ok, its like saying spoons make people fat?

yes but forks and table knives are much more deadly

[risveglio]

Posted by Calz (here)
Don't remember the source ... but allegedly there have been 19 instances of genocide on the planet ...

Each was proceeded with removing guns from the populace.

No one (with a conscience) wants to see innocents killed ... no one.

Genocides can and have killed many millions.

Do the math.

[Mike]

Posted by risveglio (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

Posted by joeecho (here)
GUNS KILL PEOPLE is like saying parked cars run over and kill people of their own accord.

No it's not. In fact, that's a really dumb thing you just said there. Just dumb.

Ok, its like saying spoons make people fat?

That's cute. There must be some kind of book out there where you freaks draw these goofy sayings from...and you're so proud of them!

That China event involved militants. Terrorists. And there was something like 5 of them. Sure, set them loose on a crowd and bad things are going to happen...knives or no knives. I'm talking about the lone gunman syndrome we have here in the US..

The woman in Australia attacked children. Children. Pretty easy targets. It was described as domestic too. Not that hard to do when your have 'em all rounded up in a room. Again, you're missing the point entirely...

The last one is valid. Ok, fine. Exceptions to every rule.

All I can say is, thank God they didn't have guns! It would have been 100x worse!

[Calz]

This is an ever continued debate.

Will the nitwits that be continue to stage these "events" to push the gun grab ... well yes.


To be quite honest ... and I will throw in a twist ... with all the advanced black op toys I don't thing gun ownership matters one iota at this point.


Torch and pitchfork days have gone.


There are myriads of ways to eliminate mass quantities of people if and when the time comes.


With that happy thought ... I have to pick up my kid from school

[East Sun]

There seems to be an abundance of 'Manchurian candidates' involved in many if these shootings. And when they are shot they are gone, out of sight, out of mind. They seem to be 'chosen' because of their 'weaknesses' and can be manipulated to their detriment.

There will always be more of them to be exploited. Keep an eye out for more of this kind of thing.