Anomalies in The Ruiner's material

[Selkie]

p.s. Peeps really ought to read When Prophecy Fails,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails

http://www.amazon.com/When-Prophecy-.../dp/1614272905

No matter how you slice it, BELIEF is a bitch.

[ErtheVessel]

I'd like to add just a couple of points in the interest of discernment. I really don't know where I stand on Shane as I have not been following his blog that closely, so this is not an indictment on him, really, at all. Just some observations from life experience.

I have had the misfortune of dealing with a number of sociopaths in my life, mostly from several cults that I belonged to in years past. Yes, several - I am a slow learner and it took me a long time to find my way. But that is a story for another time.

Anyway, here are some things I gleaned about discernment in my adventures.

My first point is that people tell you who they are, always. If someone tells me, even jokingly, that he is out for my money, I must not pretend I did not hear this, no matter how nice he seems. Or, as in this case, if someone says to me that all he has just told me is fiction, I must not pretend I did not hear this - it is, in fact, probable that all he just told me is fiction.

The second point is that in order for any psyop to work, it must contain truth. All egregious lies are mostly truth, otherwise we would not be led astray.

The journey of fine tuning and enhancing one's discernment is incredibly important and powerful. I know from my own experience that to learn discernment in any given situation is to know one's own truth viscerally and absolutely.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by sarah22 (here)
I have just finished sending a PM to wonderful Bill and now as I write this, it will be obvious to Bill, if he is reading this, that I have come to a slightly different conclusion.

Well, thank you, wonderful sarah22!

Posted by sarah22 (here)
So, if Shane and his blog were a psyop, what was the point? Thanks PA community for letting me think this out and write about it here.

Okay, here we go.

Imagine this scenario:

There's a new program, designed to discredit not only the alternative community, but as many researchers and whistleblowers as possible.

In such a program, targeted, susceptible individuals (maybe those already known to them because they actually have been in a program), are remotely influenced to come out with a range of startling material that they totally believe.

Andy Basiago was one of the very first. As some of you know, I talked to him on the phone in Feb 2007, for four hours, and was the first person to do so. He NEVER ONCE MADE ANY REFERENCE TO MARS. It was all about the teleportation experiments he was part of as a child, which I think were real. All his memories about Mars have been 'retrieved' since then. But he never mentions that.

Similarly, Corey Goode knew barely ANYTHING that he's talking about now at the time of his first interview with Christine just over a year ago, which I edited personally. I listened to every scrap of audio, published or not, that was recorded at his house in two different conversations.

What he's saying now is all new, since then (from whatever source). But that's not mentioned, either.

Other recent witnesses may be in the same boat. Randy Cramer, for one. Maybe many more.

The 'Flat Earth' sincere-belief program, which seems to be currently active as well, may be a 'cousin' of this. The timing actually all fits.

A good friend of mine, an excellent researcher who specializes in sovereignty and global finance, wrote to me a few weeks ago asking me privately if I thought the Earth might really be flat. I could barely believe it. This guy was very smart.

But suddenly, overnight, he was [nearly] buying into something that was quite the opposite of smart. It was like he was under a spell. My friendly but very detailed reply to him may have snapped him out of it.

It's just like a new remote-influencing technology got perfected, and is now being rolled out.

If a false-memory-retrieval program is active on a number of targets, and I'm anywhere near close, the prediction to test the hypothesis is that we'll see more where this came from.

More apparently sincere people (Andy Basiago is the nicest person, who totally believes his own claims) will come forward with extreme, unverifiable material. Corey Goode has even been publicly encouraging that. (Calling others to step forward, that is. Words to trigger people in the same program, anyone?)

It's hard to see real-world connections here between some of the players. But supposing this was all orchestrated at a higher, mind-control level (of some kind). If I were a black-ops strategist, I would actually deploy TWO programs targeting certain selected individuals. They go in co-ordinated harness:

1. The 'whistleblowers' who could come out with ridiculous, astonishing information.
2. Those who would be sure to support them in getting their stories out.

[Tangri]

I have a question to Paul.

What did pull you Ruinner's blog at first? What was the encouragement source for your first visit? (a friend's advice?)

(This is just for research purpose)

[simbad24]

although i found some inconsistencies like the parents suicide i really like the mythology that shane is proposing. by not depending on these sources like you depend on food or on nature or on real materialistic proof you allow yourself to imagine and link pieces together when you see something happening in real life. imagination is the best tool that we have in solving problems that never were. but it is what it is . mythology. when we will see with the eyes we will consider it fact. but some things are better to be left alone until you become strong enough to face them.
meanwhile here is the proof that i have regarding the paranormal
1 Bob Lazar story
2 Phil Schneider bringing stones that were caused by nuclear debree( millions of years old).
3 normal people seeing ghosts now and through history. many , many people.
4 independent people from all around the world mentioning the same abduction stories - no relationship with one another or with the ufo material althoghether before the abductions for many of them
5 vaccines are very damaging to human health.
6 there have always been a cure not just for cancer but for all the diseases on the planet. life expectancy is a statistic which is invented as a concept and manipulated. everywhere you go at least in the western world people die and are much more sicker than previsious generations. health is going down not up so how come the life expectancy has risen? plus the genetic malformations which have gone up.
7 in the last months 11 alternative doctors were killed and many others had bicycle accidents (deadly). doctor gerson was killed with arsenic in his coffee in the 50's.
8 there is a report that also in the last decade 250 scientists died or were killed . most from microbiology.
9 there is a plan to distroy the white race and we have seen it in action. not just the white race but every people that have dignity, morals, values; are humanistic and honest in the same time. it is the world of the mafia who my guess is that it is allowed to exist by the bigger criminals which usually dress in suits. if we were self governing mafia would have been annihilated in 1 year tops in the whole world. but who wants a world were we read newspapers at a coffee and joke and prepare for the party for tonight? who wants a world with trust amongst people and a fair competition but not a humiliating one? who the ... wants an easy and fruitfull life in areas that grow us, our bodies, our minds, our society, our knowledge. i mean who? :D isn't it better to have an action life and death movie every day? it's much more fun like that!





10 double helix snake. this symbol is from ancient times (of medicine) and it's very similar with dna. and eve was made from the bones of adam says the bible. weird at first but when you know now that the bone marrow contains a lot of stem cells then you start connecting the dots with what ruiner says, what lacerta says and what many others say. it's here where you see the mythology unfolding in front of you and becomes reality . more data you collect more belief you have in it.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Octavusprime (here)
Granted the mods have to walk the fine line of giving people a safe place to disclose and vetting out the fakes. The mod team has to be very careful with their endorsements because like it or not there is a flock of followers that take their word as gospel.

Aha - I can help fix that! Time for me to start endorsing some weirdos channeling evil cows .

[norman]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

1. The 'whistleblowers' who could come out with ridiculous, astonishing information.
2. Those who would be sure to support them in getting their stories out.

Ok, that's quite possibly a doable technology, for all I know. But, what would be the objective goal of doing so much of this?

Is it that they are still fighting truther fires, or is it that they are trying to build memes in our creation of a future, or what?

As I've said earlier, I think there is a harvesting for A.I. going on in all this.

At the very least.... this could be a hollywood company working on the mother of all debunking reality TV shows on earth.

[Valley]

This is quite a relief for me to see that Bill & Staff are doing a fine job in investigation and discernment on this matter. My feelings on this 'Ruiner' material haven't changed since first looking at it... A big distraction. ...But, a good lesson learned for all of us, I would think... in that we can reflect back and look at how we all treated each other when we had differing views/opinions on this subject. This is what I feel is important here... how we act towards each other when faced with differing/opposing opinions/viewpoints/perspectives. Are we learning to get along better without feeling the need to ridicule, attack, or make fun of others for their alternate or unpopular views? We shall see...

Love & Respect...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
A good part of what we're seeing here is the formation of a new religion

Posted by ulli (here)
I have this hunch that this is all an experiment in collective consciousness manipulation and myth seeding.

Agreed .

[transiten]

Posted by Valley (here)
This is quite a relief for me to see that Bill & Staff are doing a fine job in investigation and discernment on this matter. My feelings on this 'Ruiner' material haven't changed since first looking at it... A big distraction. ...But, a good lesson learned for all of us, I would think... in that we can reflect back and look at how we all treated each other when we had differing views/opinions on this subject. This is what I feel is important here... how we act towards each other when faced with differing/opposing opinions/viewpoints/perspectives. Are we learning to get along better without feeling the need to ridicule, attack, or make fun of others for their alternate or unpopular views? We shall see...

Love & Respect...

Totally agree and think I was a bit harsh on you in the Lennon thread

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Tangri (here)
I have a question to Paul.

What did pull you Ruinner's blog at first? What was the encouragement source for your first visit? (a friend's advice?)

(This is just for research purpose)

Reports came in to me from others on the moderators team of TheRuiner's new blog, early this year (2105), with enough interesting detail to get me looking more closely.

[Selkie]

Posted by Paul (here)
Aha - I can help fix that! Time for me to start endorsing some weirdos channeling evil cows .

[3(C)+me]

Yes, I do remember Shane saying something to the effect this is just a story, a fiction. I did not feel the pressure of having to take it all in as a truth.
I never read his blog, no interest, but his interviews were compelling, I must admit.
The thing is we well probably never know what is true and what is fabricated for a certain response. It does not appear that Shane will clarify these things for us, so we are left with speculation on this particular person and his motivations. I do appreciate your approach to this issue Bill, because I do not think we need to make him out to the great devil in order to discuss this and maybe come to some kind of mutual understanding.

Paul said something about the church and the possibility rolling out a new religion or new paradigm. The alien question has got to be in there somewhere because their church is falling apart, as is their Gods, which we now know are a little crazy, I think mentally ill would be the proper diagnosis. This religion (as are most of the other main religions) was a creation of annunaki, and it is going to be a pile of ash soon, so they have to roll something else out.
I see so many reversals nowadays it is not funny.
AI is for me the wildcard I can't seem to wrap my brain around how that fits in but I do think it does.
Is it another animal all together apart from the usual suspects, what is agenda besides wanting to make up into little cyborgs, taking us over that way.
Is that the main goal, taking up over via the body so they can live in us and control us that way.
Maybe Shane, if he was being handled by someone one was brought out to see how we would react so they can gauge where we are to make their next move based on our response.
This is not a sprint but a marathon, and as such, we have to pace ourselves so we don't burn out way before the finish line. And what and where is the finish line, I have no idea.

[Innocent Warrior]

Posted by breal (here)
I really miss Rachels (our moderators) signature where she says "You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger darling" I really do.

Me too actually, so I put it back in.

[sarah22]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by sarah22 (here)
I have just finished sending a PM to wonderful Bill and now as I write this, it will be obvious to Bill, if he is reading this, that I have come to a slightly different conclusion.

Well, thank you, wonderful sarah22!

Posted by sarah22 (here)
So, if Shane and his blog were a psyop, what was the point? Thanks PA community for letting me think this out and write about it here.

Okay, here we go.

Imagine this scenario:

There's a new program, designed to discredit not only the alternative community, but as many researchers and whistleblowers as possible.

In such a program, targeted, susceptible individuals (maybe those already known to them because they actually have been in a program), are remotely influenced to come out with a range of startling material that they totally believe.

Andy Basiago was one of the very first. As some of you know, I talked to him on the phone in Feb 2007, for four hours, and was the first person to do so. He NEVER ONCE MADE ANY REFERENCE TO MARS. It was all about the teleportation experiments he was part of as a child, which I think were real. All his memories about Mars have been 'retrieved' since then. But he never mentions that.

Similarly, Corey Goode knew barely ANYTHING that he's talking about now at the time of his first interview with Christine just over a year ago, which I edited personally. I listened to every scrap of audio, published or not, that was recorded at his house in two different conversations.

What he's saying now is all new, since then (from whatever source). But that's not mentioned, either.

Other recent witnesses may be in the same boat. Randy Cramer, for one. Maybe many more.

The 'Flat Earth' sincere-belief program, which seems to be currently active as well, may be a 'cousin' of this. The timing actually all fits.

A good friend of mine, an excellent researcher who specializes in sovereignty and global finance, wrote to me a few weeks ago asking me privately if I thought the Earth might really be flat. I could barely believe it. This guy was very smart.

But suddenly, overnight, he was [nearly] buying into something that was quite the opposite of smart. It was like he was under a spell. My friendly but very detailed reply to him may have snapped him out of it.

It's just like a new remote-influencing technology got perfected, and is now being rolled out.

If a false-memory-retrieval program is active on a number of targets, and I'm anywhere near close, the prediction to test the hypothesis is that we'll see more where this came from.

More apparently sincere people (Andy Basiago is the nicest person, who totally believes his own claims) will come forward with extreme, unverifiable material. Corey Goode has even been publicly encouraging that. (Calling others to step forward, that is. Words to trigger people in the same program, anyone?)

It's hard to see real-world connections here between some of the players. But supposing this was all orchestrated at a higher, mind-control level (of some kind). If I were a black-ops strategist, I would actually deploy TWO programs targeting certain selected individuals. They go in co-ordinated harness:

1. The 'whistleblowers' who could come out with ridiculous, astonishing information.
2. Those who would be sure to support them in getting their stories out.

Very good points here, thanks so much for this, Bill. So funny, the flat earth and Basgio's Mars stories were two things I haven't believed in at all... I will definitely look deeper into this and keep an eye out for "more where this came from." Thank you

[mosquito]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The 'Flat Earth' sincere-belief program, which seems to be currently active as well, may be a 'cousin' of this. The timing actually all fits.

Agreed.

I was totally flabergasted by the appearance of this on the forum, and a few months ago I was listening to an interview with Zen Gardner who, lo and behold, announced that the flat Earth theory was well worth a look ! Following my initial bemusement that someone like Zen could even begin to be taken in by this nonsense (and it IS nonsense, the "researcher" most sited is very easily rebutted), my conclusion was that it has to be part of a concerted disinfo campaign. What better way to discredit the alternative media ?

As for "The Ruiner", I maintain my postion on the fence, observing. Thanks for being so transparent about this Bill.

[Caliban]

Posted by ErtheVessel (here)
My first point is that people tell you who they are, always. If someone tells me, even jokingly, that he is out for my money, I must not pretend I did not hear this, no matter how nice he seems. Or, as in this case, if someone says to me that all he has just told me is fiction, I must not pretend I did not hear this - it is, in fact, probable that all he just told me is fiction.

I love that ErtheVessel. I know exactly what you mean. Most of us are very easy to fool--not because we're stupid but because we're too good! and we want to trust too easily. We mustn't overlook anything someone tells us, it all has relevance.

Posted by ErtheVessel (here)
The journey of fine tuning and enhancing one's discernment is incredibly important and powerful. I know from my own experience that to learn discernment in any given situation is to know one's own truth viscerally and absolutely.

And it takes work to do such fine tuning. But you do get better and better. Patience and listening are the keys. And trusting your own intuitions. And, as you say, clarity on one's own intentions and desires. Wise words, indeed...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

This may or may not make peoples' lives easier around here: http://www.philocomp.net/humanities/signature.htm

It's stylometric analysis software. Meaning you load multiple texts in there from multiple known authors, and the the longer the text samples the more accurate the comparison will be.

After you've loaded the known authors, you load a text by an unknown author ("Cassandra") in this case and it will analyze the text based on word lengths, sentence lengths, etc. and show which author(s) the unknown text most closely matches.

There is more sophisticated software for Linux but it's not as user friendly.

Also I should point out that this stuff is not foolproof. It's possible to imitate someone else's posting style though, or to change one's own style intentionally. But if "Cassandra's letter" is a close match to the bulk of the text on Shane's blog then that is not something that is determined by who transcribed it. That is telling about the author himself/herself.

[quiltinggrandma]

My thanks to bill for stepping in at the exact ,,right moment.You had to allow us to take our lumps,,but in the most caring way.And i took my lumps,,,hook ,line,and sinker.But my lesson is to learn from the experience,and move on.To me,,words are such big things and i have trouble with self expression.

[Debra]

Posted by bsbray (here)
This may or may not make peoples' lives easier around here: http://www.philocomp.net/humanities/signature.htm

It's stylometric analysis software. Meaning you load multiple texts in there from multiple known authors, and the the longer the text samples the more accurate the comparison will be.

After you've loaded the known authors, you load a text by an unknown author ("Cassandra") in this case and it will analyze the text based on word lengths, sentence lengths, etc. and show which author(s) the unknown text most closely matches.

There is more sophisticated software for Linux but it's not as user friendly.

Also I should point out that this stuff is not foolproof. It's possible to imitate someone else's posting style though, or to change one's own style intentionally. But if "Cassandra's letter" is a close match to the bulk of the text on Shane's blog then that is not something that is determined by who transcribed it. That is telling about the author himself/herself.

I am not surprised that we have this technology bsbray. It is a filter to run information through, which I think is handy, however does it capture and analyse through further filters of perceptions and readings from cultural, ideological, psychological contexts?

From the position of a semiotician (that which I like to utilise in the pursuit of qualitative enquiry) I feel that we must, as researchers, take strongly into account and be clean about who we are as individual researchers, what questions we find ourselves asking and why? For what purpose, who benefits ? Who is the person or people behind the research is fundamentally important to bring to the data as well, indeed to consider as data points in themselves.

In the case of pursuing questions about the raw data (that which has sprung from The Ruiner ..) we also have to capture and question all the available data - and the sources of that information - that are participating in this enquiry.

And that includes me, you and everyone who has cared to engage in the conversation.

That does my head in but as researchers we are participants as well.