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    Quote Posted by Realeyes (here)

    But I get it; an Inquisition was always a big crowd gatherer.

    Rather dramatic change in the air ... I'll remain open minded and shift to the fence for the meanwhile (although it pains my private parts).



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    I'd never read that 2nd letter purportedly from



    I can see what people are suggesting regarding such a persons ability to write about unfamiliar emotion, but , it seemed to me the writer of that was plagued with immature emotion.

    It came across as an angsty teenager ready to commit suicide with the sole intention of hurting those left behind. The ultimate act of revenge that never quite gets thought through enough.

    In addition it conveniently fits in with a script, if such it is, that is gaining an increasing level of awareness.

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    So who trained Putin, if not Shane? So anomalous.

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    I am not at all surprised by what has happened here.
    What initially impressed me about Shane (Sep 8th Camelot Interview & Sep 15 Thomas Williams interview) and what stood him apart from the 'others' for me was that he spoke with humility and without any 'ego' nor was there any apparent agenda, and yes as Bill stated he may believe all of this... which opens a can of worms.
    That I am now doubtful of Shane is an understatement, I do however have no hard feelings for him.

    Hopefully some have learnt to be a little more critical and skeptical of those with interesting tales to tell as there will probably be many more that will be 'sent' our way!
    Events like this educate us and keep us on our toes, preventing complacency.
    Thank you Bill and the Mods
    Leave no stone unturned...

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    Bill, I am so relieved that you posted this today. As well intentioned as Shane may be and sound, there was something rubbing me the wrong way from the beginning and I was waiting for this day when you posted this.

    I feel like Shane is a highly intelligent and good hearted person. His message comes off as one of love and not doom and gloom which may be his one redeeming quality in my opinion, and thus his message is highly regarded in the community and on the forum. I have had many interesting experiences in my life, mostly involving ETs, but I have never believed in Draconians, Avians or the like. I want to believe Shane, that would be so nice! I have a very handy internal BS detector that is very good at analyzing voice, body movements, eyes, etc. and from the day I heard Shane's interview with Kerry, I had to call several friends who are also members here and share my thoughts.

    I deeply believe that Shane has spent hours, days, weeks and months like we all have on this forum and many others, educating himself on the endless plethora of information and disinformation. Shane has woven several of these informational threads together into his own story, but what makes him different is that he has sprinkled so much positivity and love into it.

    It's as if Shane is just a regular person like us, with a vast knowledge of the alternative news, who thought to himself: " I can be the answer these people are looking for with my message of positivity and love. Even if it is all a lie, I can make a difference with the positive spin on things." What drives a person to throw themselves into the spotlight and make up an alternate identity is beyond the message I wish to convey here today.

    Thanks again Bill, I look forward to seeing where this is going. To Shane: I understand your plight my friend but not at the cost of truth and reality.

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    NeedleThreader,

    You raise an excellent point. It is hard to imagine why a trusted member would concoct a false identity by weaving bits of other people's stories together into their own.

    If that is what happened here, it would be a pretty big breach of trust and a sad day for PA. I, too, am thankful Bill is opening this up for discussion.

    Thanks for your insight.
    Quote Posted by NeedleThreader (here)
    Bill, I am so relieved that you posted this today. As well intentioned as Shane may be and sound, there was something rubbing me the wrong way from the beginning and I was waiting for this day when you posted this.

    I feel like Shane is a highly intelligent and good hearted person. His message comes off as one of love and not doom and gloom which may be his one redeeming quality in my opinion, and thus his message is highly regarded in the community and on the forum. I have had many interesting experiences in my life, mostly involving ETs, but I have never believed in Draconians, Avians or the like. I want to believe Shane, that would be so nice! I have a very handy internal BS detector that is very good at analyzing voice, body movements, eyes, etc. and from the day I heard Shane's interview with Kerry, I had to call several friends who are also members here and share my thoughts.

    I deeply believe that Shane has spent hours, days, weeks and months like we all have on this forum and many others, educating himself on the endless plethora of information and disinformation. Shane has woven several of these informational threads together into his own story, but what makes him different is that he has sprinkled so much positivity and love into it.

    It's as if Shane is just a regular person like us, with a vast knowledge of the alternative news, who thought to himself: " I can be the answer these people are looking for with my message of positivity and love. Even if it is all a lie, I can make a difference with the positive spin on things." What drives a person to throw themselves into the spotlight and make up an alternate identity is beyond the message I wish to convey here today.

    Thanks again Bill, I look forward to seeing where this is going. To Shane: I understand your plight my friend but not at the cost of truth and reality.

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    I never believed him. I took one look at his blog and thought, "This guy can't be for real." I chalk it up to my education at the hands of John Lash. I saw deep into the mind of a artist (to put it mildly) during my time with him.

    Just my two cents.

    And thanks, Bill. Thanks very much

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Not many young writers use semi-colons these days. But Shane does.

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    "Well, I never said I could prove anything, and I always said it was fiction. You'd better assume I was lying." Quote paraphrased by Bill Ryan from Shane.


    If you are reporting actual events, why would you call it fiction? Is it possible that a lonely person with a lot of time on his hands began writing a blog, which he has qualified as fiction, that became more popular then he could ever imagine? His readers chose to ignore the fact that he has called his own story fiction.

    He could not resist the opportunity to step into the lime light when it was offered to him. That little bit of notoriety seems to have an addictive quality and makes some desperate to keep it. In order to stay there, his story has to be true. Now there is the dilemma of defending the details and that can be difficult if they didn't really happen.

    Some have indicated that someone as nice and humble as Shane presents himself to be can't be making up a story, why not? He may just be a really nice guy that created a fictional blog, or he could be a sociopath that chose the persona of a nice, humble guy. He wouldn't be the first. Anyone will find a nice guy more believable then a jerk.

    I tend to believe that he told us his story was fiction, because it is. Maybe he wrote it , believing it to be accurate, but inserted himself into the story. Out of need , he sort of dropped the fictional stance as he became more popular until he was called on to provide proof.

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    Shane, what are you thinking right now?

    My respect to everyone here, I would like to know.

    Thanks

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    I just hope dude stays classy and doesn't begin some hate rant .... I happen to think he will remain respectful as he did when many people here boldly told him he was full o'chit

    Needlethreader great post, well said!

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    The sleeper cells are becoming active it seems. What is the driver is my big question? Speaking of first Corey and now Shane, either these two just want the spotlight or they are part of some concerted effort to spread an agenda...

    Is the intent to get the alternative community so confused and frustrated with whistle blowers that they will not trust a real one when they appear? It would make sense to weave truth and lies in order to discredit future truth sayers.

    If Corey and Shane are sleeper cells wakened to cause havoc then there must be a good reason that their handlers would risk outting such long embedded assets. I mean both were well respected and established members of the alternative community. Why would there be two (in many ways similar) huge "disclosures" in such a small timeframe?

    Then again we can't underestimate the power of ego and man's desire to be a celebrity. Perhaps both thought they could rise in the alternative community and perhaps cash in on it at the same time...
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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    Dear All....


    The first set of questions I sent to Shane in writing, on the morning of 5 October. To his credit, Shane answered them in full that same evening. All that I'll post later (not right now), after members have had a chance to digest and reflect on all this so far. Shane's full answers, and his willingness to be questioned, gave him great credit, but a number of important questions remained.

    An extended exchange then ensued, lasting until today. That can all be posted here. I am assuming Shane is willing for that to be shared: he was basically defending his story, and has consistently insisted to the present moment that it was all 100% true and that nothing of any kind had been misrepresented.

    Again, as per my post above copied from the other thread, Shane has conducted himself impeccably throughout, and I would like to stress this once again.
    Bill, any chance you can now post the first set of (October 5) questions and answers -- and the rest of the accompanying exchange -- as per your offer in this post? I think it's a bit of a waste of energy for everyone to be chiming in about whether they now believe Shane or not, based largely on the Cassandra letter issues, which were raised quite a while ago by several members at least. I think that part has now been processed....
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    http://projectavalon.net/Cassandra_letters.doc

    An element of foreshadowing in Cassandra’s second letter:

    Quote They will break your bleeding heart. Watch my words come true, but you have your chance, your father left, your old friend is impotent, and you are all fired up.

    So what is what is broken and cannot be repaired, the dark prince has no teeth and there is you..so neither of us will have what we have wanted, you will join me soon enough in the departure. Your memory is long but selective just as you say about others. Your eyes are open, but bloodshot. Following your failure we will meet again, I promise you that.
    Shane’s blog was never a disclosure project nor was it directed to a general audience. So I wonder if the “tarring and feathering” has officially started.

    That said, Bill is doing his “darndest” to get to the bottom of things and I trust his judgement.

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    Hi, All — many thanks for all your posts here, and also for many PMs that I've received overnight. I'll continue to go slow, but will share a lot more today if I can.

    My approach here is rather as Kerry and I did in Camelot days... to allow/help the viewer/reader to accompany us in real-time in our own journey of learning. That never stops.

    Re the PMs (just in case I can't or don't respond personally), some were lengthy and very well-written, from members who are very appreciative
    • of our careful and detailed approach,
    • that we're being very respectful,
    • that it's helped them to become less confused themselves, in some cases confirming their own unvoiced concerns.
    That's very nice to hear... that (above) really is our job. It's easy for people to forget that I personally get a little battered and bruised by all this sometimes. It's not easy grappling with these apparent conflicts and differences. I really do want to live in a world where everyone gets along perfectly, and easily. But we may be a long way from that just yet.

    And this is not an inquisition. It's research. If I think I'm wrong, I'll say so. So will everyone else I know and trust here.

    First, this, from Shane by e-mail a few hours ago to the mods. I assume, with good reason, that it's fine to share this for the record.

    Hi Bill,

    That transcript was done based on my reading the letter. As I said in the thread.
    Cassandra said haha because I say it a lot (as you've pointed out) and she was mocking me.

    So that means that Cassandra really DID write 'haha', and my initial assumption was correct.

    The original transcript is still not forthcoming. I hope that we might be able to see it.


    Quote Posted by awakeningmom (here)
    Bill, any chance you can now post the first set of (October 5) questions and answers -- and the rest of the accompanying exchange -- as per your offer in this post?
    Yes, will do. Shane's answers need to be on record, and I'm sure he would wish that. Some of them are really helpful (genuinely).


    Quote Posted by Saint Theresa (here)
    I just hope dude stays classy and doesn't begin some hate rant .... I happen to think he will remain respectful as he did when many people here boldly told him he was full o'chit
    Yes. As I said in my first post, Shane has conducted himself with great courtesy throughout. That matters.


    Quote Posted by Karpos (here)
    So who trained Putin, if not Shane? So anomalous.
    Made me laugh! Yes, this was (in my strong opinion) patently ridiculous, self-evidently so. Things like this are a real problem, and can't be glossed over.


    Quote Posted by Daozen (here)

    The art of controlled alt media is keeping people behind the curve, while making them think they are ahead of it.
    Yes. Great comment. (Put that in a signature! )

    I think this bears repeating from my first post:

    An overarching topic of concern here is that there's reason to believe that there may be a gross strategic manipulation taking place of the alternative community, maybe a previously experimental program now gone operational. Some of those involved, being used as assets, may not even know about it. I'd VERY much like to think that Shane was in the latter category. But there's something mighty strange going on here. If things don't 'feel right' — then this paragraph may supply clues.

    I want to say more about this today.
    This has not been voiced yet, anywhere that I know of. There are some 'dots' I'd like to table and point out that may be very helpful for us all to look at.

    It paints a picture of the possibility of a huge strategic attempt to confuse every one of us with false claims that seem for all the world to be credible, in some cases presented by the very nicest and most sincere people.

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    Seems to me Shane is not in the same group as those disinfo agents and provocateurs like Charles or Corey or a host of others here at our forum over the years.

    We were not even his intended audience.

    Most here have a picture of what true reality really is. And that picture has been fleshing out over the years into a hodge-podge of half-truths and down-right speculation. This much we all seem to understand, and for simplicity, I'll state it like this: there are two realities: the one we all live in and know, and another reality above that that is occulted and secret. It is this second reality that controls us unwittingly and that holds the agenda for the future. Although that statement contains a lot of information it is also very general. It brackets the problems we face and our dire situation but it does not tell us how or why. That is where we are, trying to find suitable answers to the whys and hows. We understand what but not why and how.

    So these interlopers who come along with their stories have to fit into the framework we already understand. It had better be conspiratorial or it holds no merit. If the story is all fluffy clouds and love bombs we will not stay with the story, if it is too doom and gloom with no hope, the same. Then each of us has a slant on the truth, our own biased beliefs. Others have theirs. This causes the story the teller is recounting to splinter off those whose biases predispose them to reject that part of the story.

    I truly believe that if Jesus Christ were to come down here there would be many who could never believe it. Same for Buddha or Mohamed or Vishnu - or even Anu himself, for that matter.

    My point is that I am not sure if we can all agree on anything, truth or lie. And I think that even the truth would have a hard time in this crowd.

    Not a vilification, just an observation. We have all been fooled for so long that our prejudices are our foundation - and that is not a conducive position for ascertaining truth.

    Shane, like all people has his own personal worldview. Some parts cannot be aired in public. Seems reasonable to me. He doesn't lie, he says it is all fiction. He has no agenda, he asks no one to believe him. He answers questions posed to him. He is always courteous and kind. He has one heck of a story. Some of it may even be true despite him saying it is all fiction.

    I don't think I have ever told a story where there was not some withheld portion I wished to keep secret. I might bend the story somewhat to protect the innocent or an unrelated individual or a source or just some personal weakness. It doesn't make the story untrue, but it might cause people to think it is.

    The lies Shane has been caught in are very small - and it might not even be accurate. It is just speculation. A coupla dots. A letter copied but no photo. That's it. A bit circumstantial. Funny, a ten thousand year old alien king is not grounds for dubiousness. Exiled to a derelict planet for several thousand years is acceptable. Occupying a human body is within the bounds of reason. But two dots and a copied letter blows the thing out of the water!

    Shane may have given us the best over-view ever of the second reality (see above). I can almost guarantee some of it is false, it has to be, he is only human (as far as any of us can say). But his picture meshed well with my own with very few discrepancies. But there are parts I cannot accept, just as there are with every interviewee. That does not lessen his story, they only highlight my own areas of confusion and lack of concrete information to make an informed decision. He has helped place a few more pieces of the puzzle into place.

    Thanks Shane.
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    Quote Posted by Ernie Nemeth (here)

    The lies Shane has been caught in are very small - and it might not even be accurate. It is just speculation. A coupla dots. A letter copied but no photo. That's it. A bit circumstantial. Funny, a ten thousand year old alien king is not grounds for dubiousness. Exiled to a derelict planet for several thousand years is acceptable. Occupying a human body is within the bounds of reason. But two dots and a copied letter blows the thing out of the water!

    Yes, well put. The text analysis thing was just an entry point for a wider bunch of questions. It matters, I think, but we shouldn't overlook AT ALL what I also noted here in my first post:

    Although this is not in his blog or either of his two interviews, Shane has stated that (paraphrase) he has memory of being Anu's favorite son, and he was trained to be a killing machine.

    As a result, he said, he was banished to a desolate planet that contained no sentient beings, and stayed there for thousands of years (or maybe eons). Through sheer will, he broke free and was able to incarnate into the body of a human on earth who had been disposed of. His next incarnation on earth is now Shane, and he has full memory.

    This is important, because Shane has NEVER said anything like that on record. What this seems to mean is that at least quite a lot of his data (maybe most of his data) comes from his subjective personal past-life recall.

    And while that's to be noted (I have subjective past-life recall, too!), it can be messed with, totally. These things can EASILY be implanted overlays. There's no way to investigate that unless one consults a very experienced past-life practitioner. There's nothing to indicate that Shane has ever done that.

    It means that to at least some degree, we're dealing only with subjective personal certainty (Shane's) here. That puts the information in quite a different category, that as best I know was never made clear to the reader or listener at any stage.

    Shane didn't say or write
    Hey, everyone, this is what I recall, and I recall it clearly, and it feels real to me, and someone else I'm close to has the same set of memories. But I've never had it checked out, and I present it just for what it's worth, because it's pretty interesting stuff. And yes, I do intend to dig into this formally with an experienced practitioner, because it seems it'd be well worth while for me to do that. And when I do that, I'll let everyone know.
    It's NOT like Shane learned all this in briefings, meetings, from ancient documents, or even from casual conversations with colleagues. To a very large degree, this is all subjective reality. He stated this here, — but only 6 (six) months after he started his blog:
    Quote There is this funny misconception that the info I share comes from the Illuminati.

    The "intended audience" of the blog is the illuminati. Which means I am talking to the Illuminati members, not to the public.
    This sounds tough to say, but Shane had passively ALLOWED many people to think this was all inside information, which the alternative community was very hungry for. Really, he only clarified this point under pressure, by stating what it WASN'T. He never said what it WAS. You read that on this thread, first, you see. That's a problem.

    I have no issue with the idea of subjective past-life recall. I have a great deal of personal experience in that area.

    I know how slippery it can be, with overlays, implants, mixups, the influences of other beings, dub-ins (meaning: when a blank is filled in by oneself for continuity or comfort), and much more. It's extremely hard (for most people, impossible) to verify one's own recall by oneself, by self-reflection.

    Something FEELING subjectively real means really very little in terms of factual analysis.

    As an example, look at the continuing avalanche of channeled information that's received, believed and reported... some or much of which is plain contradictory. It can't all be correct. And that casts great doubt on the reliability of the process itself.

    I'll say more a little later about the problem of recall... and that RECALL is exactly what quite a bit of the bad information flooding the alternative media is all about. Something recalled just does NOT mean that it happened, or that it's in any way real.

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    If this is in fact fantasy and "The Ruiner" is just a character created by Shane then I wish he would stop beating around the bush and just say it.

    This whole "it wasn't meant for Avalon" crap is ridiculous. If it truly was meant for your friends then email them. Fine you blogged it, then don't come onto Avalon and answer questions. The whole thing is wonky and makes little logical sense.

    On another note: I was very skeptical and critical of both Shane and Corey when they first came out. In both cases many people (both mods and members) came out in support of these two. Most of it was character endorsement. Basically I felt my discernment and criticism was not wanted. So I quietly left the discussions. I personally think it is dangerous, in my eyes, group censorship. I didn't feel welcome to criticize or investigate in an open forum.

    I'll admit I lurked both threads waiting for the sheet to hit the fan. /popcorn I'm greatful that the veil was finally lifted. I just hope we can be a little more careful in the future and not jump to support the next "big insider".

    Granted the mods have to walk the fine line of giving people a safe place to disclose and vetting out the fakes. The mod team has to be very careful with their endorsements because like it or not there is a flock of followers that take their word as gospel.
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    Thanks Ernie for this. You have been quiet and sitting on the sidelines for months, and you coming into this thread with such wisdom is refreshing. The "thanks" button was just not enough.

    As many of you know, I don't post in the Simon Parks, Corey, Shane, Chris Thomas, Jimmini, or any of these types of threads. I came to Avalon during the Charles days, and I did try to be a mirror for what I was seeing, and everybody knows how much fun I had with the Drake material. Since then, I just don't.

    They always seem to come back and remind us, that we are no longer driven by outside sources and that we are to turn inward for all wisdom. Maybe that is the collective lesson for mankind, or internet forums for that matter.

    Bill stating that there may be a concerted effort to dismantle the alternative news and forum discussions, because we may be exposing too much, could be true.

    We've seen many mass exoduses over the years here, the most difficult for me being Christine and the awesome group of women who were bringing the divine feminine into focus. I have no evidence about what happened or how it went down, and quite frankly, its none of my business. Dawn leaving was hard too. I liked Fred Steeves, Modwiz and others too, and I never did like the energy coming from that other site where many ex-pats from Avalon were hanging out.

    Maybe the internet forums are a distraction and are keeping us at our keyboards and are stopping us from ushering in the next level of consciousness. Maybe Ernie is right to have moved away from the forum as a prolific poster. I too have moved away from being a purveyor of daily wisdom and understanding. There's really only about a dozen members who have been around long enough to have read most of my stuff, and I see them congregating in the same discussions and the same threads. Don't ever think the thanks button is just a thanks button. It tells a lot.

    Do we really need those last few lessons? Like Jackson Browne says in this song, "Lay down your truth and check your weapons, the next voice you hear will be your own." So I leave you with this song. Listen to the words carefully:

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    Bill it seems this tread and your other recent one on the counter culture are a reflection of what you have been thinking lately and I can’t agree more that it seems the alternative community is experiencing a psyop with possible multiple desired outcomes. The operatives are at times completely aware hired guns or mind controlled victims with good intentions. It’s been noted that mind controlled operatives have the advantage of being more believable because they have a real conviction behind what they say and their history as regular jo/Jane is generally verifiable.
    The reason
    1) As others have indicated, to hurt the credibility of future whistleblowers.
    2) Make the whole movement appear based on nonsense and discourage people from getting involved with it or dropping out of it.
    3) The community tears itself apart because feelings get hurt, people are invalidated, heroes are dethroned and put through the “inquisition”.
    4) To keep alterative/truth community chasing their tails debating and analyzing useless information and in effect accomplishing nothing. No real change happens, we are no threat to anything or anyone. We are not bringing notice to ourselves, protesting or coming up with real actions that threaten their structure.
    We need to remember all that we write on theses blogs is available for “them” to read. They know when we are turned off by Corey’s hostility and thus the next one is quickly presented with “love and respect”. They are a step ahead at all times. If it appears the jig is up on this one they will try another approach in few weeks or months. They know how we research and how we figure them out.
    As the Casandra letter said, there have always been thousands of people like us and I think they have always known how to keep them in line. It’s when we take it the streets were a real threat and we need to figure out how to do that without getting ourselves killed.

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