Don't Date An Abductee

[DNA]

I'm going to discuss the dangers of being in close proximity to an abductee. I'm going to use examples from Dr. Karla Turner, and then maybe even a personal experience or two. I'm not trying to demonize those experiencing a legitimate problem, but to note the dangers involved with their on-going situation, and to those who are in their close proximity.

Dr. Karla Turner wrote three books, "Into The Fringe", "Taken" and "Masquerade Of Angels". After her first book "Into the Fringe" she noted in her second book "Taken" how folks of whom were being abducted were then being abducted by the Military and it was here Dr. Karla Turner states she was threatened with death if she continued as were many of the abductees who talked to Dr. Karla Turner of their experiences by the military. It's also worth noting that Dr. Karla Turner died while working on her fourth book of an extremely aggressive cancer that killed her within months of learning she had it. For those taking her work seriously the timing of the cancer felt more like an assassination than a course of nature.


Dr. Karla Turner's first book centers around the strange phenomenon associated with her specific abductions and what she and her husband and son were going through. Dr. Karla Turner noted the strange happenings in her home, and most notably the strange markings on her family's bodies when they would wake up in the morning. Strange scratch marks on shoulders and behind arms and on the back, in places where a sleeping person would not be able to reach and further not really perform with human finger nails.

The strange area I would like to address is often not talked about.
Dr. Karla Turner mentioned several times how folks visiting her house would wake up after a nights sleep with many of the same scratch marks on their body that she and her family would wake up from.

I now move on to some experiences I've recently had.

My sister recently got married this year.
Her husband is a pretty cool guy.
At the beginning of September I found myself in that circumstance of knowing my job was coming to an end. I and my wife chose this event to make our move out of the big city we live in and into a much more desolate unpopulaed area where we are now living.
But in order for things to move smoothly we needed my wife to go ahead and move at the beginning of September and I stayed at my sister's for the remaining month.

During this stay I woke up with strange scratch marks on the back of my upper arm, in an area I simply could not reach. The marks were obviously scratches left by what looked like a hand.
This was fairly shocking to me, for I had never experienced anything like this before.
I talked to my sister's husband one on one, and asked him if he had ever experienced waking up with anything like this before. His answer was yes, and that this had happened quite a bit over the course of his entire life.
Further more after further questioning, he told me that he frequently had dreams with robed figures who were performing ceremonies involving human sacrifices, and that he was an observer in the dream watching the hooded figures performing the ceremony and the sacrifice.
I then asked my sister about waking up with scratches or marks on her body.
She looked at me wide eyed and stated "yes", and that she couldn't figure out how they got there short of the cat jumping in her bed with her through the course of the night.
My sister explained how the scratches were on places on her body she could not possibly reach through the course of a nights sleep, and further these scratches all started after she moved in with her current husband and that they had never happened through the course of her life.


Now back to Karla Turner.
Dr. Karla Turner's hypnotic regressions were to show that her abductions were in fact reptilian in nature, and that the scratches were due to the rough handling with reptilian hands that had claws on them.

Since leaving my sister's house, I've not had a single incidence of this happening, and I think it worth noting that I've never had an incident like this happen before sleeping in my sister's house.



For those interested, this interview with Dr. Karla Turner is one of the best I've ever heard.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayLasHNlh4U

[Shannon]

But, Abductees need love too....

[Inmortal719]

Posted by DNA (here)
I'm going to discuss the dangers of being in close proximity to an abductee.

Being close to and dating is different!! Misleading title

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)
But, Abductees need love too....

That was cute! Thumbs up

[Marikins]

I wonder if the paranormal community and abductee analysts are looking at intersecting phenomena. Paranormal folks talk about three claw marks always on the back, back of arms, back of legs. They say the three marks are to mock the Holy Trinity. Sounds similar to DNA's post.

Another similarity is the sleep paralysis.

[Bill Ryan]

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That has to be a contender for the Avalon Thread Title of the Month Award.

And a great title for a book!

(I'm an abductee, too. I guess all is lost! )

[Shannon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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That has to be a contender for the Avalon Thread Title of the Month Award.

And a great title for a book!

(I'm an abductee, too. I guess all is lost! )

Are you an abductee, Bill? No kidding, I had no clue. Is there a thread here where you've shared any of your experiences? If you have that is.

*ill search for it, lol just wouldn't know what to look for title wise, I didn't mean it like a jerk

I am not an experiencer per say, but I think I was witness to my friend being abducted (repeatedly and often) growing up as kids. I never saw a ufo or aliens but I witness some weird chit, that I will share eventually and she confided in me along with her little brother. I believe now the goings on in that house is what broke up her parents and caused her whole family to move across the country.

That said, I am very sympathetic to the stress and confusion of what happens to abductees at different stages and am interested in their individual stories. Fascinating stuff.

[Bubu]

I want to date an alien

[Shannon]

Posted by Bubu (here)
I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol.

[Bubu]

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol.

greys need love too...

[Shannon]

Posted by Bubu (here)

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
I want to date an alien

Like a grey? Yeah, so hot. Lol.

greys need love too...

Oh snap!!! Lmao!

[Tyy1907]

http://http://images.search.yahoo.co...2cGqp&fr=crmas
Don't think that worked. Anyway Google Rila Fukushima
My money would be on Rila Fukushima as being a grey hybrid.
What u think Bubu?

[DNA]

Posted by Inmortal719 (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
I'm going to discuss the dangers of being in close proximity to an abductee.

Being close to and dating is different!! Misleading title

So in your rush to be the second poster on the thead and increase your likes you read the first line and made a comment without reading the rest of the thread. God we need more folks like you posting on Avalon!

Posted by Marikins (here)
I wonder if the paranormal community and abductee analysts are looking at intersecting phenomena. Paranormal folks talk about three claw marks always on the back, back of arms, back of legs. They say the three marks are to mock the Holy Trinity. Sounds similar to DNA's post.

Another similarity is the sleep paralysis.

Thank you Marikins for your post. It was the only post on this thread to hold any merit up to this point. I had never heard the deal with the scratch marks coming in threes, and for the record this was exactly how mine was, three distinct scratches.

For the record I don't think all abductees are alike, or their experiences. But I will say this, there is one common denominator.
The abductees are given a sense of purpose and feel as if they are somehow special or chosen because of their abduction.
Dr. Karla Turner talked about one of her regressions about an abduction that took place when she was a child.
In this abduction she was told by a large Mantis type alien in a dialogue, that she was the child of the Mantis Alien, and that the Mantis Alien was her mother. Karla Turner did not believe this at all, in fact she considered it a falsehood so that it would foster some kind of trust from her in the abductors. Does this sound familiar at all? It should for those who have read the Simon Parks material. Simon talks about this as if it were true, and it seems the desired result of creating a sense of loyalty to the abductors worked for Parks. In my opinion Parks is absolutely telling the truth about his abductions in so far as he is concerned, but I would not trust the agenda coming from parks, because it is an Alien agenda.
Dr. Turner stated do not trust what you are told in the abductions.
According to Turner, much of what is said is stated in a screen memory.
Dr. Turner used to call it a form of technological virtual reality.
One needs a practiced regression therapist to get past these screen memories.

The truth is often quite,,,horrible.
There appears to be REAL danger in being abducted. And if one is only being abducted because one is sleeping next to a regular abductee, then I think this danger is relevant and something that should be discussed.

And Further, it seems to me that we should be talking about the responsibility of an abductee to try and not put anyone else in harms way on that account.

You would want someone to tell you they had HERPES if you they were about to sleep with you. Right?
I think this question is just as valid.


I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!
I welcome debate on this topic, but the fact remains, if your personal sovereignty has been violated, how can this be called anything other than negative or evil.

[sigma6]

I can't believe something done without your knowledge or against your will or without your consent can ever be a good thing... I also don't agree with the cattle farm analogy... that just doesn't apply to humans... it's well known in psychology conditioning in humans works better when you explain the "program" to them...

Thus the "cattle farm" analogy doesn't apply and doesn't explain the phenomena adequately imo...

[kirolak]

Very disturbing. . . but how does one broach the topic when someone "shows an interest" in one? Most people would see it as a really lame sort of rejection line, wouldn't they? And many abductees are uncertain of the validity of their own experiences.

[TelosianEmbrace]

I'm an abductee and I'm proud of it! Now that could be a good motto for a bumper sticker!

My abductee years stretched from the onset of puberty to around fifteen years ago. I met and interacted with what I was made to believe were my children, but I no longer trust those memories as valid.

I am currently in contact with another contactee. It is a multigenerational case with indicators of a stereotypical series of abductions by greys involving the farming of genetic material for grey hybridisation. I won't disclose any more information on this case at present until given permission.

Back on topic. My abductions were extremely difficult on many levels; emotional, psychological and physical. I simply was no fun to be around for many years. I was screwed up! I have no problem in believing that any abductors would take two for one if the opportunity presented itself.

On the other side, I have gained an inner strength and courage that I could never have had otherwise, and a confidence and wisdom in helping other experiencers come to terms with what has happened to them. Trying to find the truth behind these occurences is never ending. I feel there is still so much that I haven't been able to uncover, and must be happy enough with the little I already know.

DNA, best of wishes for you if you wish to uncover those memories. Reptilians play hard.

[Shannon]

Posted by Marikins (here)
DNA:
Thank you Marikins for your post. It was the only post on this thread to hold any merit up to this point. I had never heard the deal with the scratch marks coming in threes, and for the record this was exactly how mine was, three distinct scratches.

For the record I don't think all abductees are alike, or their experiences. But I will say this, there is one common denominator.
The abductees are given a sense of purpose and feel as if they are somehow special or chosen because of their abduction.
Dr. Karla Turner talked about one of her regressions about an abduction that took place when she was a child.
In this abduction she was told by a large Mantis type alien in a dialogue, that she was the child of the Mantis Alien, and that the Mantis Alien was her mother. Karla Turner did not believe this at all, in fact she considered it a falsehood so that it would foster some kind of trust from her in the abductors. Does this sound familiar at all? It should for those who have read the Simon Parks material. Simon talks about this as if it were true, and it seems the desired result of creating a sense of loyalty to the abductors worked for Parks. In my opinion Parks is absolutely telling the truth about his abductions in so far as he is concerned, but I would not trust the agenda coming from parks, because it is an Alien agenda.
Dr. Turner stated do not trust what you are told in the abductions.
According to Turner, much of what is said is stated in a screen memory.
Dr. Turner used to call it a form of technological virtual reality.
One needs a practiced regression therapist to get past these screen memories.

The truth is often quite,,,horrible.
There appears to be REAL danger in being abducted. And if one is only being abducted because one is sleeping next to a regular abductee, then I think this danger is relevant and something that should be discussed.

And Further, it seems to me that we should be talking about the responsibility of an abductee to try and not put anyone else in harms way on that account.

You would want someone to tell you they had HERPES if you they were about to sleep with you. Right?
I think this question is just as valid.


I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!
I welcome debate on this topic, but the fact remains, if your personal sovereignty has been violated, how can this be called anything other than negative or evil.

I don't see a debate coming from me, cause I happen to agree, there is no "good" abductions. Imo, they are all trickery and terror...starting as children and into adulthood it (they?) mess with people. I've read "into the the fringe" and "masquerade", dr turner was a brave and determined woman. The loss of her research and investigations was, to me, a huge blow to the community and humanity.

I do agree, that if an abductee knows they could put someone at risk they have to disclose it. But that's tricky, cause they run the risk of sounding insane, and ultimately ending up alone anyway. Which is sad.


But what are people who do know abductees to do?

what does your sister think about the whole thing? Is she worried or scared? I'm sorry if my first few comments came off as flippant. I care about this subject and find it to be one of those "phenomenon's" that is written off so fast as something else. I know it can be confused with sleep paralysis but there's so many people who have experienced this that I can't say they are all lying or confusing memories with dreams.

I snuck out of my house and sat on my bike, outside of my friends house, with a camera and a huge video camera from the 80's in 1991 (I was 13) talking on walkie talkies with her in her room waiting for someone or something to go down. I wanted to keep her safe. I was scared for her and her brother. I didn't know exactly what or who she was scared of but I wasn't scared at all of who or what, because I kinda didn't believe her, fully. That's the closest I was to an abductee. Just my childhood best friend, and I wish I could have done more.

[astridmari]

I have been abducted. The first time I am aware of was when I woke up while some being just sucked me out of my body and took off with me. I woke up from a pain in my right leg beneath the knee. This spot aced to and fro after that. Always the pain in the same spot that woke me up. I said "no, no, no" and the being could not take me away any further or if it was a screen memory of me getting off the hook.
After that many times. Very kind, very gentle being but at the same time - it was an violation. It/she later showed me things - and every time when I got counscious about what happened I sad no and came back to my bed. Perhaps that was stupid of me not to go any further - fun flying around in space looking at stars but I did not like the violation. The only information I remeber now is that she/it said pain is not necessary, she wanted to show me this but I reacted very emotionally and thought it horrendous when so many people suffer here on earth. I beleived then that suffering at least was there to learn from, that it was meaningful. So maybe you need to be a bit cooler to be a success abductee than I was.
I think you are obliged to tell your partner about these things. They must have a choice even if they don´t beleive in aliens.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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That has to be a contender for the Avalon Thread Title of the Month Award.

And a great title for a book!

(I'm an abductee, too. I guess all is lost! )

Are you an abductee, Bill? No kidding, I had no clue.

Yes I am. I claim the world's abduction altitude record — at 20,000 ft at the foot of Makalu, the 5th highest mountain in the world, in Nepal, in Dec 1981. I was taken out of my tent and levitated across the glacier in the middle of the night to a disk.

This photo was taken a few days later, after I'd returned to base camp, exhausted and suddenly demoralized for no good reason at the time, after I'd been the strongest climber on the expedition. I just gave up, the morning after the abduction happened.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by DNA (here)
I think we have to ask ourselves one simple question.
Is there such a thing as a positive abduction?

To this I say NO!

It's a REALLY good question. Some truly are malevolent (or, at least, dispassionately regarding the abductee as some kind of resource and nothing else).

But actually, I do believe my experience was positive (though very disruptive to my life in some ways — especially in the years that followed the abduction, when everything was turned upside down).

There's a pretty big backstory to all this, some of which I'm still uncovering, over 30 years later. I think I have most of it now... but it's not easily believable, and is impossible to prove (of course). It might take quite a long time for me to lay it all out clearly.

[Becky]

I think it's possible for an abductee to have a long term partner/marriage and their partner /spouse never know anything about it, or really have a clue...they may be aware of some anomalies going on, but shrug it off, after all a persons 3D world is all-consuming.

I understand your warnings/fears, DNA, but i also think it's a very sensitive topic as abductee's have such varying degrees of awareness themselves, and this would potentially be devastating if their partner left them because they felt they could not cope with the situation. I've known people who've kept it from family and friends and their partner for decades and decades....ultimately, if someone is aware of being an abductee, and their partner is fearful or closed about the situation, then ultimately it's best for the abductee to find a more supportive and understanding, and less fearful partner.

And of course it depends on the type of et/milab/whatever contact. Some types of contact/abductions are far less subtle than others, clearly.