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    greybeard, I so wish that my 16 year old son could read your words and learn from them. Boy, talk about ego!

    We raise our children to be proud, strong and true, but I am finding it does build a huge ego, and because they are not at the age where spirituality is not on their minds, they could not care one bit about anyone but themselves.

    Ego's are the driving force in this life. Ego's are essential for growth, both physical and spiritual. And at the moment, my house seems to have a very big ego living within the walls, but I am loving every minute of it.

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    Thank you, Rosie for sharing with us.
    I can personally relate to what you described. Young folks in this reality developed an "ego", that nothing or nobody else matters; i.e. no respect, humility, and so on... sad

    Many times during a human life span we feel our Ego is necessary so we are able to function fully as intelligent beings and to deal with the real world. But having these feelings also inhibits us and makes us fear.

    Having an Ego separates us from the universe and from God, this act of separation makes the fear of loss. It is this fear of loss that makes us want control. Control of the universe and everything in it – if we cannot control it we may lose it. The Ego stops us trusting in the universe.

    It is Ego that is stopping people experiencing the delights of what the universe has to offer. Without Ego we can become unlimited and boundless. We can find new powers, new creativity, new opportunities for growth, for love, for harmony, peace and joy in our lives that before we let go of our Ego we could not begin to conceive. But how do you get rid of Ego. You have to realize that you are operating through fear, fear of loss.

    We have not been taught that what is simple is what is right. The universe operates simply. Balance and harmony in the natural world, in the animal world. Any world that does not have Ego, operates very simply. It seems the goal of spiritual beliefs to return us to our connection to that universe, to our Eternity so that we, too, can live simply, in balance and harmony with all that is. If indeed this is the goal, the purpose of that goal, the purpose of letting go of ego, is to also let go of the constant fear in which we all live.

    The removal of ego is a spiritual idea. It takes the form of real world experiences. God is us and we are God's operatives. These experiences that God gives us are important not so much for what they are but more for what they teach. And one version of what they teach is that they are there to allow us to shed our ego and connect with God. And one reason we need to connect with God is to allow us to let go of fear. And one reason we need to let go of fear is that it is fear that separates us from each other and in so doing, keeps us from finding ourselves.

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    greybeard, I so wish that my 16 year old son could read your words and learn from them. Boy, talk about ego!

    We raise our children to be proud, strong and true, but I am finding it does build a huge ego, and because they are not at the age where spirituality is not on their minds, they could not care one bit about anyone but themselves.

    Ego's are the driving force in this life. Ego's are essential for growth, both physical and spiritual. And at the moment, my house seems to have a very big ego living within the walls, but I am loving every minute of it.

    in love & light
    Hi Rosie
    Hormones hormones hormones.
    Teens have a lot to go through, not easy for them.
    Kids arrive without an instruction book,
    We do the best we can.
    Self esteem is ok its healthy, it gets things done. Its not ego.

    Be kind to your self.

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    Ego - The False Center
    From Beyond the Frontier of the Mind by Osho


    The first thing to be understood is what ego is. A child is born. A
    child
    is born without any knowledge, any consciousness of his own self. And
    when
    a child is born the first thing he becomes aware of is not himself; the
    first thing he becomes aware of is the other. It is natural, because the
    eyes open outwards, the hands touch others, the ears listen to others,
    the
    tongue tastes food and the nose smells the outside. All these senses
    open
    outwards.

    That is what birth means. Birth means coming into this world, the
    world
    of the outside. So when a child is born, he is born into this world. He
    opens his eyes, sees others. 'Other' means the thou. He becomes aware of
    the mother first. Then, by and by, he becomes aware of his own body.
    That
    too is the other, that too belongs to the world. He is hungry and he
    feels
    the body; his need is satisfied, he forgets the body.

    This is how a child grows. First he becomes aware of you, thou, other,
    and then by and by, in contrast to you, thou, he becomes aware of
    himself.

    This awareness is a reflected awareness. He is not aware of who he is.
    He
    is simply aware of the mother and what she thinks about him. If she
    smiles,
    if she appreciates the child, if she says, "You are beautiful," if she
    hugs
    and kisses him, the child feels good about himself. Now an ego is born.

    Through appreciation, love, care, he feels he is good, he feels he is
    valuable, he feels he has some significance.

    A center is born.

    But this center is a reflected center. It is not his real being. He
    does
    not know who he is; he simply knows what others think about him. And
    this
    is the ego: the reflection, what others think. If nobody thinks that he
    is
    of any use, nobody appreciates him, nobody smiles, then too an ego is
    born:
    an ill ego; sad, rejected, like a wound; feeling inferior, worthless.
    This
    too is the ego. This too is a reflection.

    First the mother - and mother means the world in the beginning. Then
    others will join the mother, and the world goes on growing. And the more
    the world grows, the more complex the ego becomes, because many others'
    opinions are reflected.

    The ego is an accumulated phenomenon, a by-product of living with
    others.
    If a child lives totally alone, he will never come to grow an ego. But
    that
    is not going to help. He will remain like an animal. That doesn't mean
    that
    he will come to know the real self, no.

    The real can be known only through the false, so the ego is a must.
    One
    has to pass through it. It is a discipline. The real can be known only
    through the illusion. You cannot know the truth directly. First you have
    to
    know that which is not true. First you have to encounter the untrue.
    Through that encounter you become capable of knowing the truth. If you
    know
    the false as the false, truth will dawn upon you.

    Ego is a need; it is a social need, it is a social by-product. The
    society
    means all that is around you - not you, but all that is around you. All,
    minus you, is the society. And everybody reflects. You will go to school
    and
    the teacher will reflect who you are. You will be in friendship with
    other
    children and they will reflect who you are. By and by, everybody is
    adding
    to your ego, and everybody is trying to modify it in such a way that you
    don't become a problem to the society.

    They are not concerned with you.

    They are concerned with the society.

    Society is concerned with itself, and that's how it should be.

    They are not concerned that you should become a self-knower. They are
    concerned that you should become an efficient part in the mechanism of
    the
    society. You should fit into the pattern. So they are trying to give you
    an
    ego that fits with the society. They teach you morality. Morality means
    giving you an ego which will fit with the society. If you are immoral,
    you
    will always be a misfit somewhere or other. That's why we put criminals
    in
    the prisons - not that they have done something wrong, not that by
    putting
    them in the prisons we are going to improve them, no. They simply don't
    fit. They are troublemakers. They have certain types of egos of which
    the
    society doesn't approve. If the society approves, everything is good.

    One man kills somebody - he is a murderer.

    And the same man in wartime kills thousands - he becomes a great hero.
    The society is not bothered by a murder, but the murder should be
    commited
    for the society - then it is okay. The society doesn't bother about
    morality.

    Morality means only that you should fit with the society.

    If the society is at war, then the morality changes.

    If the society is at peace, then there is a different morality.

    Morality is a social politics. It is diplomacy. And each child has to
    be
    brought up in such a way that he fits into the society, that's all.
    Because
    society is interested in efficient members. Society is not interested
    that
    you should attain to self-knowledge.

    The society creates an ego because the ego can be controlled and
    manipulated. The self can never be controlled or manipulated. Nobody has
    ever heard of the society controlling a self - not possible.

    And the child needs a center; the child is completely unaware of his
    own
    center. The society gives him a center and the child is by and by
    convinced
    that this is his center, the ego that society gives.

    A child comes back to his home - if he has come first in his class,
    the
    whole family is happy. You hug and kiss him, and you take the child on
    your
    shoulders and dance and you say, "What a beautiful child! You are a
    pride
    to us." You are giving him an ego, a subtle ego. And if the child comes
    home dejected, unsuccessful, a failure - he couldn't pass, or he has
    just
    been on the back bench - then nobody appreciates him and the child feels
    rejected. He will try harder next time, because the center feels shaken.

    Ego is always shaken, always in search of food, that somebody should
    appreciate it. That's why you continuously ask for attention.

    You get the idea of who you are from others.

    It is not a direct experience.

    It is from others that you get the idea of who you are. They shape
    your
    center. This center is false, because you carry your real center. That
    is
    nobody's business. Nobody shapes it.

    You come with it.

    You are born with it.

    So you have two centers. One center you come with, which is given by
    existence itself. That is the self. And the other center, which is
    created
    by the society, is the ego. It is a false thing - and it is a very great
    trick. Through the ego the society is controlling you. You have to
    behave
    in a certain way, because only then does the society appreciate you. You
    have to walk in a certain way; you have to laugh in a certain way; you
    have
    to follow certain manners, a morality, a code. Only then will the
    society
    appreciate you, and if it doesn't, you ego will be shaken. And when the
    ego
    is shaken, you don't know where you are, who you are.

    The others have given you the idea.

    That idea is the ego.

    Try to understand it as deeply as possible, because this has to be
    thrown.
    And unless you throw it you will never be able to attain to the self.
    Because you are addicted to the center, you cannot move, and you cannot
    look at the self.

    And remember, there is going to be an interim period, an interval,
    when
    the ego will be shattered, when you will not know who you are, when you
    will not know where you are going, when all boundaries will melt.

    You will simply be confused, a chaos.

    Because of this chaos, you are afraid to lose the ego. But it has to
    be
    so. One has to pass through the chaos before one attains to the real
    center.

    And if you are daring, the period will be small.

    If you are afraid, and you again fall back to the ego, and you again
    start arranging it, then it can be very, very long; many lives can be
    wasted.

    There is a little more to read for the brave ones
    http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm

    Originally posted by Mudra in the mists
    pasted here with her kind permission.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Ego - The False Center
    Great piece, thank you thank you chris. but just one thing... you were discerning between self confidence and siritual ego in the beginning of the thread, and i was trying to put the words together to show how they are actually intertwined but couldn't string it together. "the false center" says it all though, in order to have self confidence you have to identify with that false center (i guess you could fake it but then it wouldn't be genuine self confidence). the "self" that you have confidence in is the same illusion of a self as the spiritual ego is. it's the same for the opposite as well, social fear or fear in the face of society is that same identification with that false self. so the way you deal with society is a big part of the process when releasing the ego.
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    Quote Posted by grace (here)
    Great piece, thank you thank you chris. but just one thing... you were discerning between self confidence and siritual ego in the beginning of the thread, and i was trying to put the words together to show how they are actually intertwined but couldn't string it together. "the false center" says it all though, in order to have self confidence you have to identify with that false center (i guess you could fake it but then it wouldn't be genuine self confidence). the "self" that you have confidence in is the same illusion of a self as the spiritual ego is. it's the same for the opposite as well, social fear or fear in the face of society is that same identification with that false self. so the way you deal with society is a big part of the process when releasing the ego.
    Thanks for your contribution Grace.
    It all appears true at each level of perception.
    Ramana said that "The world you are trying to save doesn't exist"
    Its down to perception.

    Karma

    The whole universe is karma
    There are no accidents, everything happens because the totality brought it about.
    The world is the perfect opportunity to undo negative karma.
    Every moment we are given opportunity to choose that which is wholesome.
    When we do so, our vibration rises and if it does so enough we will have escaped the wheel of seeming birth and death. This will be out last sojourn here and we move on to higher realms.
    A paradox is that, as long as we think there is a personal me taking action we will return here again and again.
    There is no personal me, only consciousness expressing and experiencing itself through this persona and form.
    There is only One of us, hard though that might be to believe.
    The moment we get hold of the the fact that we are not the doer then duality ceases - ego is transcended and earthly adventures no longer required.
    Jesus said it loud and clear --- "Of myself I do nothing"

    One Englishman became enlightened when he was out walking.
    All of a sudden he was aware that his feet were walking all by them selves.
    He took the thought further and had a very deep realization that every body function was just happening.

    Ramesh Balsakar said.
    Last thing at night, have a look through your day and see that all occurrences were not in isolation and therefore out with your control.
    The only freedom we really have is to say yes or no to what has already happened.
    We can change ourselves and our attitude then our perception changes and the world appears to change.

    The state of enlightenment
    is extremely powerful, it dramatically raises changes the vibration of all for the higher good.
    I think thats what the bible meant when it said that you must die to live. That dying for others is the highest action.
    The transcending of, leading to the death of one ego uplifts the whole Universe.
    Only the ego dies Awareness remains.

    With love
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    there is so much confusion and distortion in spiritual and new agey teachings about the ego...

    The EGO is the sum total of our thoughts,feelings,subconcious and concious minds.The ego is the sum total of ourselves that functions in daily life,that thinks,feels,talks.acts and so on...so the term "EGO" is a NEUTRAL term.it is used to refer to ourselves as a personality in daily life.So we are not trying to destroy our ego,we are trying to create a POSITIVE ego,one that thinks,feels,acts in a positive and harmonious way with our TRUE SPIRITUAL BEING.

    When many teachings speak of getting rid of the ego they should be speaking of getting rid of the NEGATIVE ego ONLY.
    The NEGATIVE EGO is our fear-based and seperative thinking.

    Many spiritual practitioners who labor under the misconception that ALL ego is BAD and that anything to do with our ego we should avoid at all costs do not understand INTEGRATED AWAKENING.
    THIS attitude in itself leads to a host of IMBALANCES and FRAGMENTATION.

    On the Spiritual path of INTEGRATED MASTERY we are NOT trying to destroy our ego we are trying to heal it in to a positive,harmonious,balanced TOOL.In order to do this we need to overcome our NEGATIVE EGO which is our fear based and seperative thinking.

    There is so much ESCAPISM in ancient spirtual teachings and new-agey thought that leads to superficial states of "awakening" because of this misconception that the ego needs to be destroyed.

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    Quote Posted by shiva777 (here)
    there is so much confusion and distortion in spiritual and new agey teachings about the ego...

    The EGO is the sum total of our thoughts,feelings,subconcious and concious minds.The ego is the sum total of ourselves that functions in daily life,that thinks,feels,talks.acts and so on...so the term "EGO" is a NEUTRAL term.it is used to refer to ourselves as a personality in daily life.So we are not trying to destroy our ego,we are trying to create a POSITIVE ego,one that thinks,feels,acts in a positive and harmonious way with our TRUE SPIRITUAL BEING.

    When many teachings speak of getting rid of the ego they should be speaking of getting rid of the NEGATIVE ego ONLY.
    The NEGATIVE EGO is our fear-based and seperative thinking.

    Many spiritual practitioners who labor under the misconception that ALL ego is BAD and that anything to do with our ego we should avoid at all costs do not understand INTEGRATED AWAKENING.
    THIS attitude in itself leads to a host of IMBALANCES and FRAGMENTATION.

    On the Spiritual path of INTEGRATED MASTERY we are NOT trying to destroy our ego we are trying to heal it in to a positive,harmonious,balanced TOOL.In order to do this we need to overcome our NEGATIVE EGO which is our fear based and seperative thinking.

    There is so much ESCAPISM in ancient spirtual teachings and new-agey thought that leads to superficial states of "awakening" because of this misconception that the ego needs to be destroyed.
    Thanks for your input shiva777
    We are at least partly in agreement.
    The ego was useful as a survival mechanism.
    There is no need to kill it as it is just a figment of the imagination all be it a very powerful one.
    Just a thought.
    Yes The EGO is the sum total of our thoughts,feelings,subconcious and concious minds.The ego is the sum total of ourselves that functions in daily life,that thinks,feels,talks.acts and so on...
    It is the identification with the me story--- all about me.

    The ego is neither good nor bad it just is as it is.
    It is all down to energy spiritual vibration.
    At lower levels the ego is very real and it can create havoc in ones life, perceiving enemies out there. Seeking revenge. Getting even. Being fearful.
    At higher level the ego is virtually non existent - no fear, living in the moment enjoying life to the full.
    You might be confusing healthy self esteem with ego, thats a function of higher self.
    Language and labels mean different things to different people so it is very easy to talk at cross purposes and miss-understand.
    Ramesh said -"If your spiritual belief is not working for you in this life what use is it?"

    My ego is still work in progress but since I started very simple spiritual practices my mind has stopped giving me a hard time and I am free of fear.
    Whatever works.
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    Letting go of Ego is a very hard lesson to learn. Very hard, I experience it myself. But despite its difficulty, it appears to be the only lesson if it is your goal to achieve peace. Or enlightenment. It is the only lesson if your goal is to reach that place where you can truly say: "I don't want to be better than you; I want to be better than me."

    And so not only is letting the ego die a hard process, it is also a scary process. Very scary. But losing the ego is also a wonderful thing. Losing ego can bring us closer to our hearts. It can enable us to feel more than we have ever felt. It can enable us to see ourselves in a totally different way and in doing so, find new dimensions to ourselves. The loss of ego may give us the sense that we are living closer to our souls. Until we start the process of turning down and finally shutting off the voice of Ego, the voice of our hearts cannot be heard.

    One way to start this process is to recognize when your Ego coming into play. Whether it is by you wanting to correct someone, explain that their views are incorrect (in your mind anyway), if you feel anger at someone for their actions towards you. Then acknowledge these feelings to yourself, be it confusion, anger, hatred, or frustration, what ever they may be. Just feel them flowing through your body. Do not act. Just feel. Stop yourself from reacting. From passing judgment. Just let it be. Gradually overtime the Ego will not be as strong and will start to loosen it's hold over your heart. This not only makes you aware of how often your Ego comes into play, it will also amaze you how quickly you start to feel different in yourself. How the peace within you grows as your Ego diminishes.

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    Quote Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
    Letting go of Ego is a very hard lesson to learn. Very hard, I experience it myself. But despite its difficulty, it appears to be the only lesson if it is your goal to achieve peace. Or enlightenment. It is the only lesson if your goal is to reach that place where you can truly say: "I don't want to be better than you; I want to be better than me."

    And so not only is letting the ego die a hard process, it is also a scary process. Very scary. But losing the ego is also a wonderful thing. Losing ego can bring us closer to our hearts. It can enable us to feel more than we have ever felt. It can enable us to see ourselves in a totally different way and in doing so, find new dimensions to ourselves. The loss of ego may give us the sense that we are living closer to our souls. Until we start the process of turning down and finally shutting off the voice of Ego, the voice of our hearts cannot be heard.

    One way to start this process is to recognize when your Ego coming into play. Whether it is by you wanting to correct someone, explain that their views are incorrect (in your mind anyway), if you feel anger at someone for their actions towards you. Then acknowledge these feelings to yourself, be it confusion, anger, hatred, or frustration, what ever they may be. Just feel them flowing through your body. Do not act. Just feel. Stop yourself from reacting. From passing judgment. Just let it be. Gradually overtime the Ego will not be as strong and will start to loosen it's hold over your heart. This not only makes you aware of how often your Ego comes into play, it will also amaze you how quickly you start to feel different in yourself. How the peace within you grows as your Ego diminishes.

    With Love and Blessings,

    Dan
    Yes Dan you are speaking from the heart.
    No one said it wold be easy and we are pulled by energies we are unaware of.
    Its a full moon in UK just now LOL

    So much emphasis is put on the intellect by society that we are conditioned to strive to know more, its less we need.
    Dr Hawkins in map of consciousness says that mind will only take you so far then it becomes a barrier to further progress.
    The "fast track" to enlightenment is set out in his book "Discovery of the presence of God / devotional non duality"


    Description of the book...

    This, the sixth book in a progressive series by the author, finalizes and further clarifies the true nature and core of the condition termed “Enlightenment.” Although it draws on consciousness research for explanation and contextualization, it is primarily an instruction manual for the serious spiritual devotee and reveals information that is known only by those who have transcended the ego to reach Divine Realization.

    This is the inner route from the self to the Self, and the descriptions of the progressive states are devoted to the reader’s own Illumination.

    The subjective states of the mystic have been of great interest but historically never have been clarified to the degree presented in this semi-autobiographical account that also provides the means by which to identify their rare occurrence and thus describe the core characteristics of Spiritual Truth.

    Devoid of ecclesiastical doctrine or religious belief systems, the pristine essence of all spiritual Truth is revealed in its purity with unprecedented clarity. It becomes clear that to truly “know” is to “be” rather than to “know about.” Why all of Dr. Hawkins’ books begin and end with “Gloria in Excelsis Deo!” becomes apparent.

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    I thought I would put this here rather than on Stardust aquarians thread which I have been posting on as its relevant to the ego.
    I do not like putting energy to this topic but the information is necessary for people to see the importance of transcending ego.

    Firstly there is a lot of "evil" in this world for which many are charged with creating.

    Im only concerned with root cause.

    For example you can put weed killer on a weed but unless the roots are dealt with the problem will reappear.

    So what is the purpose of the infiltrating, influencing, disinformation, confusing, creating fear. controlling that does go on?

    The answer simply is to prevent the raising of consciousness.


    The higher consciousness is completely free of fear, wants, desires, agenda, therefore it cant be controlled.

    First in my understanding the lower astral denies God, it is another realm but influences the people of this earth by channeling, by direct mind control, through vibration- energy, through gangster rap, through, horror movies, the media.
    The people doing this are unaware very often of the consequences of their actions.

    The lower astral was in existence even before we came here, it is very powerful and clever.
    It seduces through the human ego which is a separation device..
    It uses the ego to create disharmony friction war, all the misery of the human race can be traced back to programming created by the lower astral.
    One current example
    We give kids video games that teach them to kill.
    By the time a child is 15 he has seen 150 thousand murders on TV. Not influenced by TV? Ha ha!!! so why do firms spend millions on advertising?

    Now the why.
    The lower astral is greatly threatened by the way the human race is evolving, spiritually becoming more loving less tolerant of evil acts.

    It is all down to the movement of energy expressed in vibration.
    The lower realms are heavy slow vibrating, the heavenly celestial realm vibrate at a faster higher vibration.
    People have their personal vibration and an attractor field.
    As a persons vibration rises it aligns more and more with love and kindness.
    It gives out love it raises also the attractor field and love flows back.
    In that way we create our own reality.

    When this happens they are moving out of the influence of the lower astral which feeds on the energy of hate, violence, lack of forgiveness, judgment, condemnation blaming. ( that is why it is not helpful to have a victim mentality and blame blame blame) The lower astral loves that level of thinking.
    These are also attributes of a very strong lower vibration ego.

    The ego as such is not the enemy but the more we free ourselves from its influence the higher the vibration of the person.

    The devil tempted Jesus because he knew that the teaching of Jesus was a great danger to him.
    Jesus taught Love and forgiveness and about God.
    The lower astral hates love.

    Now we can fix little things in this world though they might seem quite big but its really tinkering at the edges.
    The only way that we can have a peaceful world is for each individual or enough people to make a commitment to be kind to all life including their own no matter what.
    Thats not sitting on the fence its a definite choice and action, it certainly is not easy.
    The consequent raising of consciousness creates a vibration of such a high rate that it is beyond the influence of the lower astral heavy vibration. The light so bright the darkness cannot survive.

    Some really do not understand the effectiveness of dedicating ones life to a spiritual journey.
    Thats why we need teachers who are enlightened.
    They serve us, they point the way but they are not to be worshiped, only respected.
    Their energy lifts the vibration of millions.

    It is not possible for evil to survive in proximity to such a high vibration.
    Anyway thats one way of explaining the need to transcend ego.

    With love
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    Change isnt coming... Change is here.

    Arguing over syntax or "truth" , has now become a waste of time.

    i hate the word evil... i personaly dont belive it exists...though i do agree with what you say about lower astral entities .

    i have been watching some of the threads, and quite frankly they seem repetitive.

    it is hard to let go...of our ego.

    Hard to submit..

    To many see it as weakness..a few, experience its strength.

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    Quote Posted by céline (here)
    Change isnt coming... Change is here.

    Arguing over syntax or "truth" , has now become a waste of time.

    i hate the word evil... i personaly dont belive it exists...though i do agree with what you say about lower astral entities .

    i have been watching some of the threads, and quite frankly they seem repetitive.

    it is hard to let go...of our ego.

    Hard to submit..

    To many see it as weakness..a few, experience its strength.
    Hi Celine
    I agree. I dont like the word evil but thats the way most see it.
    Nothing is right or wrong till thinking makes it so.
    Ive done enough thinking for one day smiling.
    Good night Celine my friend.
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    Grey is been a while since I visited the ego thread and you are right our children are influence by so many destructive frequencies, it is the greatest tragedy of our time to pollute their minds and hearts with all the junk via the so call entertainment industry. Fear and murder being at the top of the list. Often parents wonder why their children become emotional basket cases, what did I do wrong ? The answer for me is to be involve in the development of their conscious and emotional maturity, sometimes when my children want to watch these type of films I lovingly intervene asking them to view something the entire family might enjoy. You can raise the frequency vibrational level of your children interactions with their environment taking the opportunity to indirectly teach your children important lessons,ie. there's only one TV in my house which we all share in the living room. One hard lesson for the young children to learn is to share so this is a good way for them bond . I have no idea how any of us ever watch tv when all we do is play , laugh and act like clowns. The point is stay involved and raise the frequency level of your families environment, before you know it your children will see the value in the things you do to keep them happy , emotionally stable, and open minded to learn and act responsibly.Love, love and love and your ego will soon melt away. Thank you my friend for this thread .

    Many many blessings to all...
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    Nice to read your wise words again Grey... and Celine.. evil is only the opposite of 'live' :0)

    Which is what a lot of us are not doing when we are not careful... not living life as fully as we may... for what ever reason.

    I say.. let's go out there and sock it to us ! Not them... socking anyone else is a waste of time. Let the ego have both barrels then

    :0)

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    Hear!! Hear!!

    *celine passes a drink over to Kulapops ..and keeps dancing*

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    Very wise Frank my friend. That is very good advice.

    Great to have you here.

    There is a quote along the lines of.
    Myself I got right first, my family followed, My neighbors joined in, the town became right, the country became right, then the world came right because I came right.
    So many want to fix the world when there own life is in need of love and attention from themselves.

    There are three kinds of business.
    My business
    Other peoples business
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    Gods business.
    The more time we spend in our own business the better for all.

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    Chris,

    look what ego did to all of us during history?

    Falling from grace was devastating thing all because we thought that we know and have the power but we didn 't knew and we didn't had the power.
    When it was politely spoken to us that we are wrong ,we just let ego to rule and flamed in anger against Creator.

    And look the results of that anger...

    All about big ego who lied us .

    Now we are in the process of healing, but again it all leads to that very point where our soul will be tested , did we learn something from our past? or not...
    Love, love and see what happens!

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    First there was Ego...

    Then there came Lego



    :0)

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    Quote Posted by Kulapops (here)
    First there was Ego...

    Then there came Lego



    :0)

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    yes is that you at the back playing drums K?

    Unfortunately is easier to dissemble lego than ego.
    Thnks for your vist my friend.
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