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    Watching the film The Kid, Bruce Willis--- himself as a child comes back to teach him lessons as does himself from the future
    So he has to help the kid from the past change things.
    Happy ending---good film.
    So there you go.


    I heard a line in the kids' movie Rango the other day about the importance of enlightenment and he said "without it, you are nothing"






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    Drunvalo Melchizedek - The pole shift 2012 - By Pablo Arellano



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    Close to the end he speaks of the illusion that we bring reality to---there is nothing out there.
    Just one consciousness---and you are that.

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    Chaos to Coherence Webinar with Howard Martin and Gregg Braden. To find out more about HeartMath click here: http://www.heartmath.com/ and the Global Coherence Initiative click here: www.glcoherence.org/

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    A New Beginning----2012 ---Crossing Over.
    The title really says it.
    Thanks to Dan for pointing to this video
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    Awakening Adyashanti interview Conscious TV
    Adya studied with two Zen Masters before a two fold awakening.
    He has been teaching for many years now and quite a few of his students have awakened fully.
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    Awakening Adyashanti interview Conscious TV
    Adya studied with two Zen Masters before a two fold awakening.
    He has been teaching for many years now and quite a few of his students have awakened fully.
    Chris


    Adya has a new book available on a pdf here http://www.adyashanti.org/library/Th...tion_Ebook.pdf


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    Hatch or become an omlette Mooji

    ...but there is no egg, Chris


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    Many thanks Jenci

    From the preface

    "Be forewarned, applying these teachings
    may be damaging to your beliefs, disorienting to your mind, and
    distressing to your ego. From the perspective of waking up to
    reality these are good things to be cultivated. From the perspec-
    tive of ego they are to be avoided at all costs."


    I have been warned lol.
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    Awakening Adyashanti interview Conscious TV
    Adya studied with two Zen Masters before a two fold awakening.
    He has been teaching for many years now and quite a few of his students have awakened fully.
    Chris


    Adya has a new book available on a pdf here http://www.adyashanti.org/library/Th...tion_Ebook.pdf

    An excellent tool, and as with any tool, results will depend on its proper use. In this case, one can use it for either de-construction (demolishing one's false ideas and self-images), or construction (adding more stories to an edifice built on sand). Regardless, there are few people speaking today with the clarity and insight of Adyashanti, and this little volume is a good introduction to the inquiry into who and what we are.


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    Many thanks Jenci

    From the preface

    "Be forewarned, applying these teachings
    may be damaging to your beliefs, disorienting to your mind, and
    distressing to your ego. From the perspective of waking up to
    reality these are good things to be cultivated. From the perspec-
    tive of ego they are to be avoided at all costs."


    I have been warned lol.

    I've always appreciated Adya's warnings. He doesn't wrap enlightenment/liberation up as a sweet, soft comfort place. Quite the opposite in fact, he talks about the loss that happens.

    Whilst we may think that we when embark on this journey into discovering our true nature that we have a choice to do the seeking, there comes a point along the way that the unfolding awakening itself gains such momentum that the individual no longer gets the choice whether to continue with the process, even if loss and destruction they are experiencing are unwelcome. It's like a river rushing back to its source.

    As we transform in the process we realise that we don't get to cherry pick our habits, traits, personalities and interests and get to keep the ones we find desirable and get rid of undesireable so we can become the transformed person we would like. Our undesireable stuff does leave us but with it so goes much of the desirable stuff that made us the person we were.

    Liberation/enlightenment is the end of the individual. So warnings are appropriate for those choosing to embark on this type of seeking.


    Although in the end it will be realised that the choice and the seeking were just an illusion .....because there never was an individual there to do it anyway. But seeing that may take some time and a lot of work to remove the obstacles which obscure the truth.


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    Thanks Jeanette
    Resistance is futile---at a certain point if you put the brakes on it just causes friction and suffering intensifies--- after all I did ask for it.
    Dreamers have no sense of reality and will therefore volunteer for anything. Poor boy.
    Going to watch "Dancing on Ice" now--- makes a change from skating on thin ice which I seem prone to do.

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    Ego, what it is and how to transcend it?

    Actually I have only one thing to share, concerning the title of the thread. A personal experience, I guess it might be of value to this thread - although things I share might have very well been gone over in those last 94 pages several times from several different points of view.

    Ego, what is it? One day I had to admit that me and my capabilites as an individual are not nearly enough to get me through my life and the obstacles in it and that led me to accept my own inner connection to unity, guardian angel, source, what ever it is that you call it. It occurred to me that the ego, which I figure was the one doing the admitting, admitted something eternal, omnipotent to step in me - to do the very job, it(the ego) was trying to do to the best of its abilities. The ego therefore tries to be eternal and omnipotent, because the thing it is trying to fill in for, is those very things. Once one admits the eternal to step in, the ego can go about it´s usual business and be very good at it.

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    Ego, what it is and how to transcend it?

    Actually I have only one thing to share, concerning the title of the thread. A personal experience, I guess it might be of value to this thread - although things I share might have very well been gone over in those last 94 pages several times from several different points of view.

    Ego, what is it? One day I had to admit that me and my capabilites as an individual are not nearly enough to get me through my life and the obstacles in it and that led me to accept my own inner connection to unity, guardian angel, source, what ever it is that you call it. It occurred to me that the ego, which I figure was the one doing the admitting, admitted something eternal, omnipotent to step in me - to do the very job, it(the ego) was trying to do to the best of its abilities. The ego therefore tries to be eternal and omnipotent, because the thing it is trying to fill in for, is those very things. Once one admits the eternal to step in, the ego can go about it´s usual business and be very good at it.

    UT
    HI UT thanks for your post which is valued.
    Every experience helps to clarify understanding.
    When the me/ego steps aside, or recognises its limitations, difficult situations can be resolved effortlessly.

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    Thanks Jeanette
    Resistance is futile---at a certain point if you put the brakes on it just causes friction and suffering intensifies-
    Chris

    In the end resistance gets too painful and you just let go and allow what needs to happen, happen. Very often it is things which are undesirable because these are what you have been avoiding all your life. Everything needs to be experienced as it is without any resisting or grasping (which is ego activity)


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    Thanks Jeanette
    Resistance is futile---at a certain point if you put the brakes on it just causes friction and suffering intensifies-
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    In the end resistance gets too painful and you just let go and allow what needs to happen, happen. Very often it is things which are undesirable because these are what you have been avoiding all your life. Everything needs to be experienced as it is without any resisting or grasping (which is ego activity)


    Jeanette
    Great point, Jen, and this can even be seen in getting over physical disease. For example, many try to suppress symptoms, when in fact what's needed is to let the toxins discharge from the body, rather than keeping them from manifesting through the use of symptomatic allopathic remedies, which usually only prolong the disease.

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    Thanks Jeanette
    Resistance is futile---at a certain point if you put the brakes on it just causes friction and suffering intensifies-
    Chris

    In the end resistance gets too painful and you just let go and allow what needs to happen, happen. Very often it is things which are undesirable because these are what you have been avoiding all your life. Everything needs to be experienced as it is without any resisting or grasping (which is ego activity)


    Jeanette
    Great point, Jen, and this can even be seen in getting over physical disease. For example, many try to suppress symptoms, when in fact what's needed is to let the toxins discharge from the body, rather than keeping them from manifesting through the use of symptomatic allopathic remedies, which usually only prolong the disease.

    Enlightenment/liberation is not the same as a spiritual experience. An experience will come and go or have a beginning or an end. Enlightenment is a permanent awakening to our true nature where no remnants of illusion remain.

    This very rarely happens instantly. It is usually a process of the initial awakening itself reaching into all parts of the illusion which are hiding in the individual and to do that the awakening has to bring everything out in the open, fully penetrate all of the illusion, see through it and dissolve it.

    It is a good comparison to make, Bob....very much like toxins being discharged from the body in physical illness.


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    It is usually a process of the initial awakening itself reaching into all parts of the illusion which are hiding in the individual and to do that the awakening has to bring everything out in the open, fully penetrate all of the illusion, see through it and dissolve it.
    Right, the more we awaken, the more we get to see just why we resisted waking up in the first place. It is usually quite humbling to recognize that all our previous knowledge and self-images are pure illusion. Often, the aspirant will just rush back to a "safe" program, after peering into the abyss, but that doesn't work anymore, as they discover. No place to hide, no remedy, but to just face facts. As Sri Niz notes, only hard facts can reveal the complete nothingness of the self-image.


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    One of the challenges is that through following and applying spiritual teachings life becomes very easy-- compare to what went on before-- so the temptation is to just rest a while there.
    However at some point the backside gets kicked and enough is not enough and for once that is good.
    Once you make a commitment to find the Truth the end result is inevitable--it is your destiny and it pulls hard-- nothing short of knowing That, as opposed to experiencing something, is acceptable.

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    One of the challenges is that through following and applying spiritual teachings life becomes very easy-- compare to what went on before-- so the temptation is to just rest a while there.
    Haven't really experienced that yet Chris, as I get a swift kick in the rear just temporarily stepping off the path for a quick wee in the bushes... Time to contact my union representative.(LOL)

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    Union rep ha Fred-- Yoga rep = Union.
    My mind makes strange leaps to connect that which is already connected.
    If you can follow that you as crazy as me.
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