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    Quote Posted by Rahkyt (here)
    his 'releases' one from the patriarchal and cultural limitations of romantic love and emotional attachment/symbiosis/parasitism/vampirism-interpreted-as-love, but also puts them in a position to be perceived as unfeeling or unemotional to those witnessing its apparent effects. Nothing could be further from the truth as their level of compassion and love for humanity, gratitude and humility as recognition of solidarity, leads to the birth of an all encompassing empathic resonance with all of life.

    Yes ! It's never how you expect it to be and this is confusing for people see the results and effects.

    When people hear about the unconditional love that is the One, they can only relate that in terms of the love that they know, which is not unconditional but conditioned and bound. It's dependent on the object of the love being in a certain way. Even when they think love is unconditional as in the love of a parent for child, it is still on the condition that the child is "mine", therefore conditional.

    The unconditional love that we are is beyond all concepts and ideas of love and is to be experienced to be understood.


    Good to see you Rahkyt. Thanks for sharing where you are at.
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    Drunvalo there is only one consciousness.
    This is an amazing video which was recorded 2008.
    A lot of interesting information in this.
    For me its a may be so.
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    Adyashanti interview
    A lot of information in it.
    Well worth a read
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    Neale Donald Walsh interviewed by Eckhart Tolle

    Very interesting

    Many thanks to Dan who sent me the link.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Adyashanti interview
    A lot of information in it.
    Well worth a read
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    Thanks, Chris.

    From the article

    Quote But on that evening, what struck me most, beyond his words, was his presence between the words. Sometimes he’d pause for a few seconds and close his eyes. His face would become tranquil, and the room would swell with silence.
    Beautifully described and something which really strikes me about Adya every time I listen to him.

    On this subject words fall short every time. I read what I have written and although I could say it is true on one hand, on the other I could say it falls so short of the truth it's unbelieveable, lol

    I much prefer the silence and I see why some teachers teach/taught in silence. Having said that without the words some will never be able to get a sense of what this is about.


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    Reincarnation.

    Gerry Rafferty a Scottish Song writer wrote this song
    the words are great

    Get It Right Next Time
    Gerry Rafferty


    G C G
    Out on the street I was talkin' to a man
    G C F Bb G FG
    He said "there's so much of this life of mine that I don't understand"

    G C G
    You shouldn't worry I said that ain't no crime
    G C F Bb G F G
    Cause if you get it wrong you'll get it right next time, next time.

    You need direction, yeah you need a name
    When you're standing in the crossroads every highway looks the same
    After a while you can recognize the signs
    So if you get it wrong you'll get it right next time, next time.

    Life is a liar yeah life is a cheat
    It'll lead you on and pull the ground from underneath your feet
    No use complainin', don't you worry, don't you whine
    Cause if you get it wrong you'll get it right next time, next time.

    You gotta grow, you gotta learn by your mistakes
    You gotta die a little everyday just to try to stay awake
    When you believe there's no mountain you can climb
    And if you get it wrong you'll get it right next time, next time.

    Next time, u-hum


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    Dr Wayne Dyer's Leukemia & John of God's healings on Wayne - LILOU'S JUICY LIVING TOUR .

    Thanks to Dan for sending this to me

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    From the late Dr Hawkins last book
    Letting Go is

    Transformational...


    "Although letting go seems simple and easy, its ultimate effects are profoundly powerful. A quick little surrender done in an almost off-handed manner can sometimes bring about a major change in our life. We can picture it being similar to the wheel of a ship. If we make a one degree change in the ship’s compass, we will notice very little difference; but, as the ship sails over the sea hour after hour, day after day, a one degree change in the compass will end up taking us to a very different place many miles from where the original course would have take us.”

    ~Letting Go, page 237


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    Latest Dolores Cannon
    As usual a lot of ground covered.
    Karma, lessons, this is a school we need to graduate from, past lives.
    What greater test than to be all alone? The ignorance that we are separate from God.
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    Nanci Danison
    Near Death Experience of a Lawyer
    Very detailed a lot of information.
    God being formless became us/ the totality in order to experience that which formless cant.
    We never left God---- The Indians called this Indras Dream or Maya---illusion.
    Very real for all that

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    Jeff Foster Conscious TV interview.

    On the who's who list of spiritual teacher

    The waves are the ocean


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    Bob, are you another bob, or Bob?
    Are you the same Bob that was born some decades ago or you're another bob now?

    What made you to become an another bob?
    Instead of being just Bob ...?

    I saw that Chris became greybeard (even literary)

    What made you transcend your own ego?
    When was that divine spark- to finally do it and bring all this beauty you bring along with Chris and many here like Jenci and Dan ...and many others good souls each!
    Love, love and see what happens!

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    Quote Posted by Beren (here)
    Bob, are you another bob, or Bob?
    Are you the same Bob that was born some decades ago or you're another bob now?

    What made you to become an another bob?
    Instead of being just Bob ...?

    Well, my Friend, I tried using "Bob" as my name when I subscribed here, but that name was taken already, so I tried "Another Bob" and that was available so I took it.



    Quote What made you transcend your own ego?
    I wouldn't think of such a silly thing -- as long as I'm here, the ego comes in darn handy!

    Actually, many tend to mistake the ego for an entity, while in a more accurate sense it is more like an activity -- the activity of grasping and avoidance, which in turn creates the sense of a separate self, a "me". However, when we cease granting that character any enduring substance, by recognizing the activity when it arises and refusing to fuel it, it does begin to wither, and will eventually become obsolete.


    Quote When was that divine spark- to finally do it and bring all this beauty you bring along with Chris and many here like Jenci and Dan ...and many others good souls each!
    Every step of the way, the "spark" has been only Love.

    As for "when", I offer some biographical fragments in my blog "Travels in Dreamland". For example, here's an entry from yesterday:

    http://travelsindreamland.wordpress....ace-via-murti/

    Blessings!

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    Its a "single minded" sort of thread and because of that it is a safe place to post.
    To the best of my memory there has never been friction on the thread---many varying points of view---some simple, some complex, harmony/mutual,respect is the very essence of this thread.

    Im fortunate to have friends of the quality of Beren --whom I had the pleasure of spending time with in Inverness and of course Bob and Jenci who contribute regularly. Truth seeker Dan has left Avalon but we are still in contact.

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    I like Dan's perspective. He'd make a great Guru.

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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    ...harmony/mutual respect is the very essence of this thread.
    Here's an elaboration of a post I made on another recent thread, that ties in with that orientation:


    To study the world is to study ourselves. When we begin to sincerely study ourselves, what we usually discover is that this involves a challenging process of working with our embedded viewpoints. Indeed, the closer we look in the mirror, the more we must acknowledge that most of our viewpoints, attitudes, opinions, assumptions, interpretations on perceptions, and general sense about things have remained largely uninspected. It’s usually easier to “just go along” with what we’ve been told by our parents, teachers, and clergy, and later by our bosses, politicians, and main stream media.

    As a rule, we have been well-conditioned to accept the consensus program and description of reality, and short of some life crisis, are rarely motivated to question the “party line”. In fact, it’s a bit scary to do so, because we are typically herd animals, and so questioning the common view of things threatens our basic sense of security.

    It is not uncommon to hear folks complain that they wish they had never peered behind the curtain, because now they can’t go back to the old safe and secure view they enjoyed prior, and hence the well-worn phrase, “Ignorance is bliss.”

    At a certain point, we may come to recognize that no viewpoint arising in the human mind is ultimate or lasting, and that there is no final truth that we can grasp as an object of consciousness. Rather, we may come to discover that this whole realm is an utterly subjective experience.

    As we explore even deeper, we may come to learn that we are not really here to become “enlightened” knowers of it, or judges of it, but more to be participants or co-creators of its evolution, in order that consciousness itself can become more self-aware.

    We certainly can and do know about all sorts of stuff, but we do not really know what any single thing is –what it is. Consequently, whether we like it or not, and despite any comforting lies we might tell ourselves, we do live in a state of total insecurity — the Unknown.

    How we respond to living in the Unknown, and all that implies, says everything about us. Will we cower or will we shine, will we love or will we fear? Will we cling to the safety of what we thought we knew, or throw ourselves completely into the vastness of our unbound, infinite nature, without trying to grasp or avoid, without trying to claim ground or establish some provisional self-image in need of protection and defense?

    With some careful investigation, one thing we can observe is that, the more we get trapped in fixated views, the more we squeeze off the life force, crimping the flow, and so prevent true spontaneity.

    In terms of consciously assessing differing angles of vision, we can simply recognize that our own is just a temporary viewpoint — that it is not who we are, that this viewpoint has arisen in this particular circumstance through an interdependent series of causes, and though we may have some resonance with it, it’s not the absolute truth. It’s just a viewpoint.

    We need not be drawn into emotional reactivity based on our conceptual investments, but can stand apart and see them for what they are – passing waves of non-binding thought energy that merely serve to modify consciousness.

    We can then understand that any position is just a position in mind — a viewpoint that comes from a play of causes and conditions — and so train ourselves in our daily lives to recognize our viewpoints for what they are.

    Such capacity, once stabilized, can make a tremendous difference in how we live. When we don’t try to protect or justify our viewpoints, a palpable freedom and spaciousness opens before us, along with the real possibility for tolerance, peace, and happiness to manifest in our lives and relationships.


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    I like Dan's perspective. He'd make a great Guru.
    Humor is essential in any real awakening, eh.

    Blessings!

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    Its good to see AwakeInaDream and Rahkty relatively new posters on the thread appearing.
    I really welcome fresh perspective on the thread--- this keeps it alive and vibrant.

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    Thanks Greybeard. May I ask, is there a reason why you always call me Rahkty? I had an east Indian brother who, when I first met him, wrote me to ask me why I had chosen the moniker of an Indian demon, and I'm wondering if your spelling of my screen name has to do with that? I can't find a reference to it now, but I think he spelled it Rahkty also, just like you do. Not complaining or anything, it's fine, just genuinely curious.

    This thread always has good resources in it. I come here to watch videos and to bask in the continuously positive spiritual energy it puts out.

    I wrote a week or so ago where I was, in regards to the whole enlightenment thing. Things have not changed for me, which is why I really appreciated the video that ABob posted with Dan.

    Dan's perspective is enlightened, to the extent that it is all about letting go of everything, including even meditation, and just living. I'll bet if Dan just sat down instead of layed down, kept his eyes open instead of closing them, he'd find himself in a state of meditation without even having tried to go there.

    With that said, these days, I find myself entering states of meditation just walking. Or sitting. Or even speaking to someone. My mind will clear, no discursiveness, and perception will move to a whole body field-type awareness. It is akin to walking meditation, I suppose. It has been occurring more and more and I expect it to continue, as I find it very comfortable funcitioning in this state, although I am aware that, from the outside, it may seem as if I am 'spacing out' to the extent that my involuntary body movements, ticks and habitual gestures cease, I become pin-point focused and that can be disconcerting to people.

    Ah well. It's just life, right? Not to be taken too seriously, just lived.

    Bless!

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