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    Would you rather conquer one desire or fulfill a thousand?
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    » Arthur Brown 'Part 3 - 'The Core Of Stillness' - Interview by Iain McNay



    Consciousness - Transformations (loaded 14 July 2017)
    Arthur has recorded many albums over a 50 year period and is best known for his No 1 Worldwide hit 'Fire.' He has been a major influence on many successful artists including Alice Cooper, Kiss, Ozzy Osbourne, Peter Gabriel, Iggy Pop and the New York Dolls. His music has always been driven by his spiritual realisations. In Part 3 Arthur talks about his time spent studying and teaching the Beshara tradition. He then moved to Austin, Texas where he forged links with Gurdjieff groups while running a painting and decorating business with the Mothers of Invention drummer, Jimmy Carl Black. He tells an amusing story about being with Da Free John and talks about three people that had significant influence on this spiritual development, Mooji, Satyananda and Ganga. He formed a 'Healing Songs Therapy' group with counsellor Jim Maxwell where a song was created for each of their clients to help them heal. He toured with Robert Plant and in 2013 recorded an album 'based on the Cosmos' called 'Zim Zam Zim.' His spiritual journey was always in the foreground, 'Who Am I? Not my body, Not my thoughts. My mind is at peace. I can bear without the slightest restlessness all manifestations - all thoughts and images that arise - both pleasant and painful. Suddenly I know that this awareness of all and everything is itself a limitation. Subjects, object and consciousness are one and the same'
     


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    One of the more fantastic things i witnessed in 1971 was Arthur Brown at the roundhouse in Camden performing a whole gig located in a huge balloon on stage,the balloon shaped like an erect penis.Im glad to see that Arthur has moved on and led a great life.Mind you it was a trenchant comment at the time...

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    Would you rather conquer one desire or fulfill a thousand?

    Would you rather conquer one desire or fulfill a thousand?

    What is the difference?

    To conquer one desire is a fulfillment of said desire, fulfill a thousand is to conquer them all.

    The obvious answer then is to fulfill them all.

    Of course fulfilling/ conquering them all and 50 cent will buy a 50 cent cup of coffee.  

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    Just came across this delight from Jed McKenna - not sure if he's known by many here:

    Impersonating Jed McKenna

    I thoroughly enjoyed his first two books - he has quite a refreshing take on the whole 'spiritual' thing.
    "There is nothing in a caterpillar that tells you it's going to be a butterfly." R. Buckminster Fuller

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    Would you rather conquer one desire or fulfill a thousand?

    Would you rather conquer one desire or fulfill a thousand?

    What is the difference?

    To conquer one desire is a fulfillment of said desire, fulfill a thousand is to conquer them all.

    The obvious answer then is to fulfill them all.

    Of course fulfilling/ conquering them all and 50 cent will buy a 50 cent cup of coffee.  

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    Full is the inner bunniness
    The desire to become Full (filled) comes from outer bunniness wanting what the inner bunniness is.

    Desire always will
    Is always is

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    Welcome back, mate.
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    Isn't it peculiar no matter what station one finds themselves in this world the common denominator is desire??

    The human race, for example, would not have exist much less survived without desire.

    So when we look out at our entire environment of experience what is seen is a result of past and active desire.

    Inner unaffected/ uneffected

    That is a lot like unconditional Love. Love abides despite all perception to the contrary. The idea of hope is tucked in there somewhere as well.


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    Isn't it peculiar no matter what station one finds themselves in this world the common denominator is desire??

    The human race, for example, would not have exist much less survived without desire.

    So when we look out at our entire environment of experience what is seen is a result of past and active desire.

    Inner unaffected/ uneffected

    That is a lot like unconditional Love. Love abides despite all perception to the contrary. The idea of hope is tucked in there somewhere as well.

    Oh heaven's forbid there's some actual 'truth' to the idea of a 'desire realm' though perhaps in a more 'real' day-to-day way I'd say it's probably more easily considered as 'sensual desire' ... but no-one really wants to go down that road because of the inherent implications eh ?

    Food for thought perhaps LOL

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    Quote Posted by Clear Light (here)

    Oh heaven's forbid there's some actual 'truth' to the idea of a 'desire realm' though perhaps in a more 'real' day-to-day way I'd say it's probably more easily considered as 'sensual desire' ... but no-one really wants to go down that road because of the inherent implications eh ?

    Food for thought perhaps LOL

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    What desire isn't SENSE-ual?

    The inherent implications? Foolish 'me', that is the reason for going down that road.

    Sometimes it's 'good' not to know any better.

    Desire is one big merry-go-round. Consciousness proves we are taking it for a spin....

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    My Zen teacher once told me that if there's no desire, you wouldn't get out of bed.
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    A must for those interested in Nasargadatta.

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    My Zen teacher once told me that if there's no desire, you wouldn't get out of bed.
    And here, all along, I thought it was a desire to be lazy.

    Laziness, Nirvana achieved!

    What?

    Hey!

    I can DREAM can't I?

    .................................................. ...........................

    Desire, created with just one thought.

    I thought I was to blame for this post but the thought will pass.

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    There's nothing to be achieved, mate.
    Wait!
    The problem is that a rock wants to be a tree.
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    There's nothing to be achieved, mate.
    Wait!
    The problem is that a rock wants to be a tree.
    For sure, Mate!! For sure!! Does that mean YOU will be the one doing the dishes, tonight?

    What problem, the rock and the tree are both to each other. What 'want' could there be?

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    There's nothing to be achieved, mate.
    Wait!
    The problem is that a rock wants to be a tree.
    For sure, Mate!! For sure!! Does that mean YOU will be the one doing the dishes, tonight?

    What problem, the rock and the tree are both to each other. What 'want' could there be?

    Washing is the purest form of practice, mate. Well, pretty much everything in life is.

    The rock-tree analogy is probably the worse one I have made but basically we are like a rock in the garden comparing itself to another rock or we are a rock which wants to be a tree. That's the main cause of suffering. We do not accept things as they are.
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    For those suffering predudice
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    There's nothing to be achieved, mate.
    Wait!
    The problem is that a rock wants to be a tree.
    For sure, Mate!! For sure!! Does that mean YOU will be the one doing the dishes, tonight?

    What problem, the rock and the tree are both to each other. What 'want' could there be?

    Washing is the purest form of practice, mate. Well, pretty much everything in life is.

    The rock-tree analogy is probably the worse one I have made but basically we are like a rock in the garden comparing itself to another rock or we are a rock which wants to be a tree. That's the main cause of suffering. We do not accept things as they are.
    Another premise to consider: Maybe we suffer as a result of accepting things as they are.

    When Love is, it isn't
    When Love isn't, it is
    Love,
    Beyond reason, beyond purpose
    The mind says, if love is beyond these things what good is it?

    Oh practical world, thou incapable of escaping self. Dish washing leads to more dish washing and so forth and so on.

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    Hi mate,

    When you fall sick, you don't curse yourself. You accept it and still get it fixed. I was talking about this kind of acceptance.

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