Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Jendayi]

I see the ego as a raw seed that has to be cultivated and nourished in a way that it will grow into the tree we call "I AM"..
do people in this tread differentiate between ego as a collective thing and/or as a mislabling of the "I" ? if it is collective i would say ego starts as a parasite on a young sprout which is our inner child, placed their by others, but with the possibility to become a simbiotic partner in the totality of our being.. or something like that?

[greybeard]

The Buddha said PUT NO HEAD ABOVE YOUR OWN>
There is a soul who has been venerated, for well over two thousand years.
Having a discussion with a wise friend today he commented "Its all mind"
The tree appears to move but is it the tree that moves or the mind?
Scientists are now proving that time does not exist, they took their time to get to that. LOL.
Ramana said years ago. "Nothing ever happened" David Icke is now saying its all mind. A projection.
It seems so real.
The ancients called it Maya. (Illusion)
Shakti the female aspect of God created Maya and fell asleep. Shiva the male aspect is now calling Shakti home through the cosmic energy of Kundalini.

All that the scientists are now finding out was known by those Sages 4000 years ago, those who wrote the Vedas knew.

There is only the eternal moment, the NOW.

Those who are enlightened describe that state as non-location, timeless, all knowing, all powerful.

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by Jendayi (here)
I see the ego as a raw seed that has to be cultivated and nourished in a way that it will grow into the tree we call "I AM"..
do people in this tread differentiate between ego as a collective thing and/or as a mislabling of the "I" ? if it is collective i would say ego starts as a parasite on a young sprout which is our inner child, placed their by others, but with the possibility to become a simbiotic partner in the totality of our being.. or something like that?

I see it as a false identity that comes with your free will to choose (freedom of choice to experience). The illusion of separateness of our physical body and its ability to rid us of loneliness is nothing more than the working plan of an inflated ego trying to establish its own false identity. Our body alone is a symbol of an inflated ego. An inflated ego is a symbol of separation. Separation limits communication. Communication must be unlimited in order for us to be satisfied with meaning. If we are deprived of meaning, we will never be satisfied with life.

Namaste, ~ Dan

[Billiam]

I think the ego is the by product of our platonic education system ( world of ideal forms) and the emotive fascism exacted on our base psyche through mass media, film and advertising.......It the classic nurture vs nature argument...

[Jendayi]

Posted by Billiam (here)
I think the ego is the by product of our platonic education system ( world of ideal forms) and the emotive fascism exacted on our base psyche through mass media, film and advertising.......It the classic nurture vs nature argument...

never heard it expressed in this way.. i will ponder on this and see if i got the whole concept wrong..
if so, what is the individual divine expression that peeks into reality through the senses of our physical bodies? is the ego perhaps just body consciousness trying to keep us focused on physical life only..? if this is the case it will try to fit in to any jungle to survive, be it natural, urban, concrete or even a cyber jungle.. sorry.. just going of on a tangent here..
often, when the nature of ego is discussed, i get these contradicting thought waves.. sometimes they reach a coherent state.. sometimes they don't..
letting go.. once again..
namaste

as you can see.. multiple views at once.. but which perspective to choose? ahh... the choices.. and yet.. who or what is making those choices...
pfffffff

[greybeard]

Posted by Jendayi (here)
never heard it expressed in this way.. i will ponder on this and see if i got the whole concept wrong..
if so, what is the individual divine expression that peeks into reality through the senses of our physical bodies? is the ego perhaps just body consciousness trying to keep us focused on physical life only..? if this is the case it will try to fit in to any jungle to survive, be it natural, urban, concrete or even a cyber jungle.. sorry.. just going of on a tangent here..
often, when the nature of ego is discussed, i get these contradicting thought waves.. sometimes they reach a coherent state.. sometimes they don't..
letting go.. once again..
namaste

Hi Jendayi

Easiest way of looking at is that the ego is a septation device which keeps you in ignorance of your Divinity.

The sun is always there but sometimes we are unaware of its presence because of heavy black dense clouds.

We remove these clouds and the sunshine is apparent.
The clouds are your conditioning programing that leads you to identify with the story of me.
I am a this or a that-- Is just a story in the head, a love affair with the me.
I am a kind person, I am selfish, all judgments.

You are not a person, you are not a human being looking to be spiritual. You are a soul, consciousness experiencing what it is like to be human.

There is nothing personal, its self experiencing observing .

Its a bit like being at the movies, you really know its a fil but you can enjoy being moved by it.

Learning to be kind no matter what removes many dark clouds.

I would suggest that people new to this but serious of knowing about spiritual Truth start page One and work though, its not like a magazine with new concepts and looking for the next on next issue.

The posts in this thread are ancient unchanging eternal truth, not flavor of the month.
It takes time to get your head round some of it,
Thats tough love.

but Love it is

Chris

Namaste (I greet the Divinity in you)

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by Jendayi (here)
as you can see.. multiple views at once.. but which perspective to choose? ahh... the choices.. and yet.. who or what is making those choices...
pfffffff

Jendayi, the choice is always yours to grab. That's how you'll experience and learn in what we call life (3D). Life is the experience of our choices. Our day to day life is full of meaningful events that we deliberately and consciously set out to experience for ourselves. Such events are not accidental or causal events; they are intentional actions. Therefore, the real meaning in our lives is not created simply by what we know about ourselves but comes from our natural ability to experience the wholeness of living a balanced existence that embraces all experience (good or bad) as an opportunity to learn.

Namaste ~ Dan

[Jendayi]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Jendayi, the choice is always yours to grab. That's how you'll experience and learn in what we call life (3D). Life is the experience of our choices. Our day to day life is full of meaningful events that we deliberately and consciously set out to experience for ourselves. Such events are not accidental or causal events; they are intentional actions. Therefore, the real meaning in our lives is not created simply by what we know about ourselves but comes from our natural ability to experience the wholeness of living a balanced existence that embraces all experience (good or bad) as an opportunity to learn.

Namaste ~ Dan

sigh... yeah.. i know.. humbly thanking you for reminding me...

[truthseekerdan]

Eckhart talks about how we can dissolve the egoic or story self by using non-identification with form. The formless essence of our being exists in the present moment.

"To be identified with your mind is to be trapped in time: the compulsion to live almost exclusively through memory and anticipation." Eckhart Tolle

Eckhart Tolle's Findhorn Retreat BK/DVD
"Stillness amidst the World"

Part 1

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aeaWC6y0jFc

Part 2

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_bRy8GonFrE

[greybeard]

Posted by truthseekerdan (here)
Eckhart talks about how we can dissolve the egoic or story self by using non-identification with form. The formless essence of our being exists in the present moment.

"To be identified with your mind is to be trapped in time: the compulsion to live almost exclusively through memory and anticipation." Eckhart Tolle

Eckhart Tolle's Findhorn Retreat BK/DVD
"Stillness amidst the World"

Part 1

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aeaWC6y0jFc

Part 2

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_bRy8GonFrE

Ha I was there third row back on the left in the middle.

I was extremely lucky with two friends to spend an hour talking with Eckhart and Kim
It all just happened not planed in any way.

My ego loves to tell the story of course, I could get a few free lunches out of the story
Laughing.
Thanks Dan,

Chris

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Ha I was there third row back on the left in the middle.

I was extremely lucky with two friends to spend an hour talking with Eckhart and Kim
It all just happened not planed in any way.

My ego loves to tell the story of course, I could get a few free lunches out of the story
Laughing.
Thanks Dan,

Chris

That's why I posted it -- I spotted you ego...

LoL

[illuminate]

Hello friends

I thought I'd post an excerpt of an article by an amazing fella named Ben Stewart
called: THE REBELLION OF EGO

There is no other way to liberate yourself from suffering but to destroy the mechanisms that enslave the consciousness. Yet even though we inherently know this truth, the ego will seem to externalize itself as people, circumstances, and events in our lives tempting us to return to our old habits and vices. We will begin to conjure up justifications and alternative theories.

Our ego will act like our best friend. It will promise us all of the pleasures in the world. It will tell us how horrible, tragic, lonely and pointless a life of freedom truly is. Just as a child will beg and plead for something he or she wants, then put on a fake smile to persuade you, then lash out to threaten you, then curse you in the hopes of evoking guilt within you in order to attain his or her desire, our ego is that very same child.

Lucifer. The most heralded of all the angels. Entrusted with the most controversial duty. The duty of tempting the individual with rewards of ego. A truly liberated and free individual understands the futility of the ego. A sovereign mind comprehends the idiocy of worshipping illusion. Lucifer stands at the threshold between freedom and slavery. We are standing in limbo between both, every time we encounter a Luciferic force.

Read the rest of this wonderful and short article HERE

[OneSeeker]

Namaste "Ego Disolvers" !

Since I'm a seeker in ego's secrets, looking to tame it, I thought I could share this "Seven Steps for Overcoming Ego’s Hold on You" by Wayne W. Dyer

1. Stop being offended.
2. Let go of your need to win.
3. Let go of your need to be right.
4. Let go of your need to be superior.
5. Let go of your need to have more.
6. Let go of identifying yourself on the basis of your achievements.
7. Let go of your reputation.

I just hope is not a duplicate on this forum because I used the search feature and couldn't find any significant sequence pointing to this sharing.

Love & Light to all.

[modwiz]

Posted by illuminate (here)
Hello friends

I thought I'd post an excerpt of an article by an amazing fella named Ben Stewart
called: THE REBELLION OF EGO


Read the rest of this wonderful and short article HERE

Your part about Lucifer was most enlightening and informative ina great post and hopefully its; true meaning will be apprehended. People get very emotional around the Luciferic energy and it can sink them. No need to be disrespectful, a simple no is all that is needed.

[OneSeeker]

I should mention a great book IMHO on how mind works "The road less traveled" by M. Scott Peck.
If you enjoy it go for the trilogy

[greybeard]

This is very important and relevant to us here now.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Xlz0c1VomB8

This no 2 of 11 Marcel Messing
Explains our true past and the importance of spiritual raising of consciousness
He stresses that the "controllers" are terrified of this raising of vibration/frequency that is going on.
They cant live with a higher frequency.

Please listen to all 11

Chris
Namaste

[Anchor]

Here in a blinding fit of ego irony, I will post something that I posted on PA1. I read it recently and thought why am I not doing this myself - I wrote the damn thing as well - I have slipped in some areas. More work to do...

(Originally posted thread is here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19330
The version here has minor modifications made)

There are a lot of scientists with complex minds delving into complex mysteries - analysis paralysis - finding God with particle accelerator! Etc.

It is made to sound so hard, but it really isn't. It is so simple its hard!

It isn't hard to go outside and look at everyone you see and think, he is a part of me, she is a part of me, so is he, she and them.

Look at the vagrant in the street - he or she is a part of you and a part of me. Look at the rapist, the hurt person in haiti, the mugger, the Samaritan, the healers, the dentists! the "whatever" it is they are, he/she/they are part of me and part of you.

Look at that sunny friendly smile, she/he is part of me/we/you.

Fellow fragments of all that is, there is only one of us here.

Namaste

A..

John..

[greybeard]

Yes John.
One it is.
Your posts here and at Avalon were and are greatly appreciated

[Antithesis]

I enjoyed the post by illuminate, Ben Stewart is a well balanced man and his work is always done very well.

"Rid yourself of desires in order to observe its secrets, but always allow yourself to have desires in order to observe its manifestations." Tao

[truthseekerdan]

More about the ego...

The ego is personality. Personality is the body. The body is how we experience intuition. Intuition is a particular way in which we perceive, think, and feel physical experience. The ego is no more than contrast when in check and perversion when in control. It is natural for the ego as a perversion to try to preserve itself. Ego’s can conflict in any situation but our metaphysical identity cannot be in conflict. An inflated ego always tries to capitalize on all situations, congratulating it self continuously to overcome any doubt. The real us, is part of a reality that stands unchanged and beyond the reach of any inflated ego (our own or someone else's).