Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[kriya]

Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)
I agree and disagree. I believe "we see with god's eyes, our hands do god's work" when we are connected to our higher selves; however, in my mind the murderers, pedophiles, etc., hands are not doing god's work and that is because they do believe in separation and are not connected to their spirits.
Keep searching

If you wait long enough even a piece of coal can become a diamond. We each have a spark of divine consciousness, it just takes some longer to realise it.

@Shiva, you clearly haven't read any of the great masters that have come to share their knowledge with the world, otherwise you wouldn't have written what you did!

Love,

Kriya

[grace]

Posted by kriya (here)
Yes, if we make God the doer in all we do, we can transcend the ego. Not so easy to do though!! As we need to manifest God consciousness in every day life.

Love,

Kriya

so true
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Posted by Ba-ba-Ra (here)

Trust me when I say I'm not trying to convince you that my perspective is right

same here, just enjoying the conversation. i agree, i should have said that our bodies have the potential to do god's work... so having a body is not necessarily being separate from god as long as, like kriya said, we are completely aware and acting through godly consciousness.

although, i'm not convinced that all the bad things weren't god's ideas also, or at least allowed by god for a divine plan.

[kriya]

Posted by grace (here)
, i'm not convinced that all the bad things weren't god's ideas also, or at least allowed by god for a divine plan.

Yes its a grand cosmic drama " I am the Alpha and Omega, I create the darkness and the light". Unfathomable...... but true.

Sorry Chris......back to the ego

[Beren]

No wonder why it`s called EGO trips... You have to go through them to experience them. Then it`s wise to let go .
Love ,love and see what happens!

[greybeard]

I really feel good that comment is not required from me to keep the thread going, not that anything is really necessary, thats just ego Lol
I would love to shut up and go off for a good while and come back and see that the thread is still in good health.
It was never meant to be "my" thread.
Chris
Namaste

[Beren]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I really feel good that comment is not required from me to keep the thread going, not that anything is really necessary, thats just ego Lol
I would love to shut up and go off for a good while and come back and see that the thread is still in good health.
It was never meant to be "my" thread.
Chris
Namaste

It`s ours now!!!!! hahahahahahahah .... Greybeard - your nick reminds me of a pirate`s nick ... :-) But in this case you`re a pirate that steal wrongs from others and turns them into goods. Taking away wrongs from others leaves them in better position to embrace goods...

har har har Greybeard the white pirate!
:-)

[greybeard]

Posted by Beren (here)
It`s ours now!!!!! hahahahahahahah .... Greybeard - your nick reminds me of a pirate`s nick ... :-) But in this case you`re a pirate that steal wrongs from others and turns them into goods. Taking away wrongs from others leaves them in better position to embrace goods...

har har har Greybeard the white pirate!
:-)

I wanted to be a Swash buckling Bluebeard in my youth, be a hero. God thought differently.
We make plans and God laughs.
Dharma not to be denied.
So there you have it.


It wis nae me.
Translated means.
It wasn't me.

C

[greybeard]

Attention seeking, there is part of us that wants to be noticed.
Thats ok up to a point.
Problem is that the ego wants to be Mr Fix It and take all the credit for the end result.
It perceives that some thing is wrong / broken and rushes in to sort it without being aware of longterm consequences.
The Cure can be worse than the disease.
Sometimes the best action is to let it be.
A lot of the problems in this world are caused by people with genuine motives disagreeing forcibly with other people who have genuine motives.
Agenda creeps in, separation creeps in.
For example we have just seen violence erupt in Northern Ireland after a long settled period of calm.
If you asked the perpetrators you can be sure they would give a logical answer, that resonated with themselves, that they were righting a wrong and that they had a genuine historic grievance.
Churchill said that "History is one damned thing after another"
If we live in the Now as advocated in Eckhart Tolle's book " The Power of Now" then we would not be hostage to the baggage of the past.
Having the humility to let go of past baggage is a big but powerful step, you could call it forgiveness,
Without that we cant enjoy the perfection of the present moment.
The ego cant stand the present moment, rarely is their enough drama in it. No need for a Mr Fix It.
Ch

[Operator]

On request a summary given in another thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post34318):

I sometimes try to tell people that there is no good and bad ... just a bunch of people each with their own agenda. Some of the agendas
appear to be benevolent for the community and some of them are straight out malicious.

I try not to have an agenda anymore ... it will make you manipulative. But did you know you can be blamed for not having an agenda ?
They will tell you that you are passive and that you don't contribute. If you do not acquire and gather stuff they will tell you that you are not
successful and probably suffer from a depression or so ... In the mean time they seem to forget they also get free help themselves and then
think of it as being just normal ...

If you don't have an agenda you're not asserting force on them ... people are not used to that, they miss it like a training boxer needs a
sparring partner. Having said that ... it looks like a chicken and egg problem. When there would be no agendas there would be no
learning/training for the souls coming here to do so. Or would it simply mean we're all ready then ?

[RedeZra]

Posted by Operator (here)
I sometimes try to tell people that there is no good and bad ...

sometimes it's easy to idealize and speak sweet from the mental world
but let's not forget the practical physicality to life with all it's seeming diversity

there is a distinction between good and right - wrong and bad - night and day

much is just inventions and regulations of mind - but a few are Divine decrees
like do not murder and do not deceive steal and lie

of course if Divinity does not exist
then those decrees are just empty concepts like everything else and anything goes

if humanity is the crown of creation and there is nothing higher - then good and bad cease to exist and we can do what we want and get away with it


look around you - take a good look at the world and tell me what you see
do you see peace harmony and good will among man - do you see what is done in secret

the slogan is - I don't believe in God so I can do what I will - and the generations grow up and believe it too - that there is no Divine authority and no God to ask and answer to


"Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants" –William Penn 'founder of Pennsylvania'

[Operator]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
sometimes it's easy to idealize and speak sweet from the mental world
but let's not forget the practical physicality to life with all it's seeming diversity

You just took half a sentence and used it to portray your own points ... which comes back to the 2nd half of the same sentence in my original post.

[greybeard]

I feel that we are, as a human race --"WORK IN PROGRESS"
On the one hand we as yet, or most of us anyway, need the strong guidance some of that coming from the ten commandments.
Now we are in a period of change, some have got it some are heading there and some not.
When we are sufficiently spiritually developed we will not need the rules and regulations, the duality will cease to exist, it will become redundant, past history.
We will not need those particular learning tools.
Judgment is mine sayeth the Lord.
We need to focus in all that is good to make the transition.
Making others wrong or evil has not worked.
God forgive them they are spiritually ignorant.
Because right action will happen automatically then with the full realization that we are one.

We can only lead by example now, its a time for change.
Chris
Namase

[greybeard]

Just saw on the News the Northern Ireland riots described as "Recreational violence with a sinister agenda"
200 Police attacked by a crowd of lunatics.
There are some people who are spoiling for a fight, they are to be seen on the front row of very protest fueled with glee.
Do I see it as evil? No I see it as insane, they are mentally ill, they should be in a mental asylum.
The ego likes to be part of a protest group it will go to any lenght to prove it is right and guess what????
In order to be right you have to prove some one wrong, in other words an enemy has to be found.
I would rather be happy than right
Agenda!!!! What agenda is there worth killing anyone for?
Yet ordinary people can be moved by propaganda to throw petrol bombs at the police.
A police woman got hurt and people cheered, on the news.
They must think she deserved it.
Just mob madness.
So thats my semi rant.
May God forgive them.
That is a demonstration of the ego at work so thats why we need threads like this to make us aware of the need to transcend ego and grow close to God through removal of ignorance and devotion to truth of the spiritual variety..
c

[greybeard]

Important video Carl Calleman Rare Video Interview Concerning July 17-18 Harmonic Convergence in news section
Posted by Tone3Jaguar
thanks to him.Important video Default Carl Calleman Rare Video Interview Concerning July 17-18 Harmonic Convergence.

We have to individually together set an intention for unity conciousness.
Its about the law of attraction.
If we dont have an intention what reason would we have for thinking it will happen.
The 9th wave of The Mayan calender is coming up.
We need to prepare for it by deciding what we personally want
We need to be as one heart.
Dualist consciousness is all about the "me" in that my interests are paramount and that is to the detriment of others.
Unity consciousness is about us and our collective good.
Please watch the video it seems important.
Regards Chris

[PathWalker]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Important video Carl Calleman Rare Video Interview Concerning July 17-18 Harmonic Convergence in news section
Posted by Tone3Jaguar
thanks to him.Important video Default Carl Calleman Rare Video Interview Concerning July 17-18 Harmonic Convergence.

We have to individually together set an intention for unity conciousness.
Its about the law of attraction.
If we dont have an intention what reason would we have for thinking it will happen.
The 9th wave of The Mayan calender is coming up.
We need to prepare for it by deciding what we personally want
We need to be as one heart.
Dualist consciousness is all about the "me" in that my interests are paramount and that is to the detriment of others.
Unity consciousness is about us and our collective good.
Please watch the video it seems important.
Regards Chris

Please provide link.
thanks

[greybeard]

The video is in the News section accessible from the home page.
Sorry cant do link but heres another
Courtesy of Lilac on the really good news thread.

Unity consciousness July 17-18th
All over the world people are gathering with the intention to create unity consciousness...watch this video for more information:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vv1iLEfIAKo



I read a book by an Englishman who became enlightened walking in a park. All of a sudden he was aware that in no way was he responsible for making his feet go left right so to speak. He had an intention to walk then the body took over, he was no longer necessary.
Thats true of all of us in everything we do.
I cant remember the Englishman name.
Chris

[greybeard]

If you wage war on the ego you will loose.
First you tame it, love it appreciate what it has tried to do for you, only then can you transcend it with the help of the Divine.
As one Sage said "God gave it to you, let Him remove it."
Chris

[greybeard]

Eckhart Tolle says:
Viewpoints, opinions, and mental positions are all thoughts – the thought says “this is how it is”, it is some kind of judgment or perspective on things. To be identified with a mental position is to derive your sense of self from that mental position. It’s a substitute identity, form identity, ego – a substitute for your true identity which is formless and has nothing to do with any thought – but is consciousness itself.

Chris

[Thinker]

I found this video interesting and thought I would bring it to the conversation.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iIydrSMyNq0

This video introduces an interesting problem for my previous assertion regarding Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).

This video explains to me why Tom Cruse holds such a strong negative opinion of Psychiatry. It initially left me without an explanation for observable and predictable unwanted behavior in myself and others.

The inability to apply chemistry to mental disease is not proof that it does not exist. Just as the inability to apply chemistry to the Sun is not proof the Sun does not exist. We are left to observe the effects of the Sun.

I know from my experience with spirituality (personal growth) that repetitive patterns can be broken, however this requires a recognition and commitment on the part of the individual.

The problem remains that there are persons among us who fail to pursue personal growth and consequently apply their immature comprehension of themselves and others as justification for atrocities on others. Many of these underdeveloped persons are promoted to positions of responsibility and power for their ability to produce results. Also the culture we live in seems to praise and admire these immature individuals. The observation of witch occures like mass insanity.

Any thoughts?

[greybeard]

Hi Thinker
I watched the video with interest.
As I have said on several occasions I had to go to AA to get me fixed.
A story.
I had a corner shop when I was quite young before I realized I had a drink problem.
This distinguished looking man would come in first thing every morning and buy whisky and pre packed bacon, nothing else.
One day I checked the bin out side and found the bacon, this happened several weeks running.
Much later on being admitted to the mental hospital for acute alcoholism I found I was to be treated by this man a Psychiatrist.
He couldn't cure himself or me but AA helped me overcome the disease of alcoholism.
There is some scientific evidence that alcoholics have part of their brain different from others.
They used to cure acute depression with electric shock treatment, ancient evidence was that people shocked by electric eels were never depressed again.
There is some evidence that depressed people and bi-polar --- used to be called manic depressive I think---- lacked seratonin in the brain(might have the wrong name) seratone seems to negate the lack.
Now the main part of your post.
Dr David Hawkins whom I mention frequently is by profession a Psychiatrist but he shunned the normal methods and therfore at one time before he retire had the largest psychiatric practice in America in New York. Basically what he did worked, people were cured.
In his book Power vs Force he has a map of consciousness and explains that we are born at a certain spiritual vibration, those lower down the scale are the dictators war mongers of the world, they can be very clever and ruthless obsessed with getting their own way. Narcissistic. They believe they are right and cant see that they are damaging the world, therefore no need for them to change.
On a video he mentions one test that shows how left brained and therefore not having a fully developed or used frontal cortex in the brain are selfish in their behavior--- monkey island ways.

A test is, at a very early age a child is left alone with a favorite sweet having been told that if he does not eat it he will be given four sweets, the child is only left for a standard time, cant remember but say 4 minutes. The ones that cant resist are the ones that tend to grow up to be re-offending criminals, they have no means of delaying gratification. They want it they must have it now and can justify any action to get it. They steal from or mug old ladies and say "Well they asked for it" they actually believe their reasoning, victim mentality that the world owes them.
I would recommend that you get "Power vs Force" a fascinating book.
Dr Hawkins says that as we grow spiritually we become more right brained, the actual physiology changes.
Regards and thanks for the question
Chris