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    I don't know about remorse in this context... (If you declare you are a failure, then it must be true. Why are you declaring it?)
    to repent is to admit and acknowledge the imperfections and the shortcomings

    whatever they might be

    so that God can help you back on the right track


    if you don't repent then you are not really willing to change for the better

    and God doesn't usually interfere with your free will


    no you don't have to bow your head before God

    He is a friend
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    to repent is to admit and acknowledge the imperfections and the shortcomings

    whatever they might be

    so that God can help you back on the right track


    if you don't repent then you are not really willing to change for the better

    and God doesn't usually interfere with your free will


    no you don't have to bow your head before God

    He is a friend
    RedeZra,
    Thanks for getting back to me.

    I think we are saying accentually the same thing. I am attempting to say it without religious terminology that I am usually unclear about the meaning.

    Like; “God”, you have your idea and I have mine. You say; “imperfections and the shortcomings” and I leave it out because it is assumed given I am human. You say; “God can help you back on the right track” again I assume or take this for granted because if it weren’t for God as I understand him we would not be able to do anything. Also; “God doesn't usually interfere with your free will”, I have no way of discovering if or when God interferes.

    In short I leave these things out of my thinking and speaking. My thinking gets cluttered rather than clarified by adding these terms.

    When I repent I abandon a thinking or belief that does not serve me and since I am committed to serving God I assume this serves him as well. Usually God let me know when it does not.

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    You say; “imperfections and the shortcomings” and I leave it out because it is assumed given I am human.
    this is high thinking Thinker


    life is a bloom into perfection

    petals unfolding to reveal the Pure consciousness

    that emanates light and love which animates all this life


    one is not a human forever for it's not the last level in life

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    this is high thinking Thinker


    life is a bloom into perfection

    petals unfolding to reveal the Pure consciousness

    that emanates light and love which animates all this life


    one is not a human forever for it's not the last level in life
    So true RedeZra
    God never sees imperfection as moment by moment and there only is this eternal moment, He is involved in the creation.
    Take painting a picture.
    At one moment it is the perfect blank canvas then the first perfect brush stroke, eve if it is unfinished in our eyes it is the perfect unfinished painting.
    We are perfect at all times and yet the paradox is that we are unfolding as you say RedeZra.
    Dear thinker I think you are thinking too much Lol
    Karma is timeless in that it is not limited by time, this life time next life time.
    Each action affects our spiritual status -- vibration and that frequecy determines where we go on the death of the body, that may be higher celestial realms so we dont reincarnate here, it may be the hell of the lower astral, in which case we can get another chance or not as the case might be all karma.
    Karma as expressed by action is the totality of everything that has happened since time (illusory) began, so you are affected not only by your own personal karma but there is group karma in just being born human. Then there is Karma of the totality, we are affected by what happens on the other side of the cosmos. Its all very complex best just to love God and at least be kind to all life.
    Chris
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    greybeard,

    Have you ever considered what a superstition is before it becomes a superstition?

    I looked up "timeless" and your definition is correct: infinity time (not what I meant)
    I also looked up "less" and discovered it means: reduce or minimize (what I intended)

    Interesting paradox when you put "time" in front of "less" you get more.

    But since I was referring to "no time" the absence of time as the spiritual teachers speak of, Can we get our minds around that concept?

    If you define Karma as being carried from lifetime to lifetime who invented this boogie man "Karma" you are speaking of? Where is the evidence that Karma is carried from lifetime to lifetime?

    Do we believe the things we believe because they are true or because we were thought to believe them by our parents who needed some degree of control over an immature human conciseness?

    Don’t forget to answer my first question, it’s very important.

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    hi Thinker. I go by essence rather that detail.
    I can go up and down levels and be where a person is most times.
    Jesus is reported to have said " Even my wisest disciples will enter by faith alone.

    Now at a high level Ramana said. The world you are trying to save doest even exist.
    There is no creation and no dissolution.
    Eckhart Tolle said. There was never anyone there to hurt you.
    There is no enemy.
    There is only the thought of God.
    We are but a thought in the mind of God
    That might all be true but its not helpful to those struggling in this world.

    So at a one level karma is very real and it helps to prevent people from harming others through fear of retribution.
    At a higher level the thought harming others or punishing them is ludicrous.
    Its all energy, all various vibrations, what is relevant to one level is not to another my friend.

    Yes I investigated superstition some time ago. It has no basis in reality, but if you believe in it its very powerful.
    A self fulfilling prophesy.

    Karma is a mind invention.
    Past life probably the same.

    I try to enjoy the cosmic dance as best I can
    We are consciousness at play.

    Thinking will take one so far regarding the evolution of self back to Self, then it becomes a obstacle.
    Love of God brings one to the discovery of the Presence within, which we all are, mind will not achieve that.

    Regards chris.
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Quote Posted by RedeZra (here)
    this is high thinking Thinker
    I assume "high thinking" is some type of insult but I don't comprehend religion speak and don't comprehend your meaning.

    If you see me as a blasphemer and put me in a box labeled blasphemer without comprehending what I’m saying how can you be sure you know me, and how can you learn when everything that challenges your beliefs is reactively discarded as blasphemy.

    I hope you realize Jesus was rejected by the Pharisees for his blasphemies. How could they comprehend his meaning when they closed their mind to what he was saying?

    Blasphemy is not bad or evil, it is NEW and sleeping people hate new things because they want to go back to sleep.

    My apologies if I have failed to comprehend your meaning.

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    chris,

    I thank you for dancing with me, I like to dance too. Let us keep dancing and see what immerges...

    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    Yes I investigated superstition some time ago. It has no basis in reality, but if you believe in it its very powerful.
    Not the answer I was looking for; before a superstition becomes a superstition it is the truth.

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    So at a one level karma is very real and it helps to prevent people from harming others through fear of retribution.
    At a higher level the thought harming others or punishing them is ludicrous.
    Its all energy, all various vibrations, what is relevant to one level is not to another my friend.
    Precisely, let us have some conversations at various levels and allow others to listen. In the process we may bring some of them along to discover other levels. Perhaps we ourselves will discover levels we were unaware of.

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    Yes some superstitions are founded on truth but then distorted.
    It is all down to context.
    Im open minded.
    Regards Chris
    Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!

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    Yes some superstitions are founded on truth but then distorted.
    It is all down to context.
    Im open minded.
    Regards Chris
    chris,

    I’m still not getting my idea across.

    I’m not saying some superstitions are or were true.
    I’m saying all superstitions are false, before and after they are exposed as false, but before they are exposed as false they are believed true.

    What is a superstition BEFORE it is a superstition? The truth.

    Anything we hold as true may merely be an unexposed superstition.

    This is key to transcending Ego, because the ego is attached to beliefs; by considering the possibility our beliefs are false we break the grip of the ego.

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    Thinker
    Bear i mind I said they, superstitions have no foundation in reality.
    A story. A wife allways cut 6inches of the roast before putting it in the oven. Husband said why. Wife said Gran always did that.
    They asked Gran.
    The answer Your oven is larger than mine I had to cut it to get it to fit.
    So things get distorted.
    As long as you get you thats all that matters thinker.
    But I now get the subtly of the truth of superstition as you portrayed.
    Regards Chris
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    As long as you get you thats all that matters thinker.
    chris,

    I’m sorry to say I’m having trouble seeing your open mindedness and grace.

    I apologize for doing violence to you and your ego. As I said earlier I have only just accepted the concept that challenging others beliefs is a violent act.

    “Plunge into the heat of battle and keep your heart at the lotus feet of the Lord,” - Bhagavad-Gita

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    I will re phrase that.
    As long as you get the you which is really You, thats all that matters.
    I dont see that challenging others belief is violent, its tough love.
    Thats why the heart is at the lotus feet. in my opinion.
    I don't claim to be right as Ive said many times here, I'm just sharing my understanding of the moment.
    I put my head on the pillow sober and thats a victory but because I surrendered to God it is no longer a battle.
    Regards Chris
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    I assume "high thinking" is some type of insult..
    it's not an insult at all bro but a compliment

    since you seem to understand

    that becoming a human being is not the last level of life


    imagine the catastrophe if there were nothing higher than humans

    but then again we would not exist at all hehe

    ---

    believes are mental exercises whereas knowing is in the experience


    humans base most of their believes on hearsay - maybe it's true and maybe it's not

    so we should investigate the source of a belief and not believe hearsay blindly


    we all have our own unique experiences which makes us more certain about some aspects of life

    but even some of those experiences could be empty hallucinations


    so we should not force our believes on others for it could very well be our own delusions

    but there is nothing wrong with debating the various believes


    at the end of the day - I believe what I must and if I express them I expect debates
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    it's not an insult at all bro but a compliment

    since you seem to understand

    that becoming a human being is not the last level of life


    imagine the catastrophe if there were nothing higher than humans

    but then again we would not exist at all hehe

    ---

    believes are mental exercises whereas knowing is in the experience


    humans base most of their believes on hearsay - maybe it's true and maybe it's not

    so we should investigate the source of a belief and not believe hearsay blindly


    we all have our own unique experiences which makes us more certain about some aspects of life

    but even some of those experiences could be empty hallucinations


    so we should not force our believes on others for it could very well be our own delusions

    but there is nothing wrong with debating the various believes


    at the end of the day - I believe what I must and if I express them I expect debates
    I agree whole heartedly RedeZra.
    One of the biggest steps to freedom from mind is the realization -- I dont have to be right-- I can only express a view point.
    If others do see my viewpoint then thats ok.
    Its no big deal.
    Ultimately my view point is of no real consequence as its based on the fallacy that there is a me to be right or wrong.
    The I of Self is beyond the illusion of me.
    However till ignorance is removed its good to be of mind and heart.
    Debating just passes time with friends till that moment occurs.
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    Ultimately my view point is of no real consequence as its based on the fallacy that there is a me to be right or wrong.
    The I of Self is beyond the illusion of me.
    maybe one out of a million can agree with such a profound statement Chris

    that there is no me no you and no us - that only Infinite Consciousness Is


    if only God Is then I don't exist

    so some powerful mind or maya has been tricking me into believing that I Am one of many

    I need to wake up - but it's so beautiful here hehe

    let me dream some more lol
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    And I thought you were one in a million RedeZra.
    Dream on my friend,
    Chris
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    And I thought you were one in a million RedeZra.
    I am

    but we are such a minority so we speak above the heads of millions

    engaged in an exciting dream of individual existence


    but one by one we wake up
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    I am

    but we are such a minority so we speak above the heads of millions

    engaged in an exiting dream of individual existence


    but one by one we wake up
    Yes agreed RedeZra.
    I knew you knew what you knew smiling.
    It is unfortunate that people have difficulty in seeing the simplicity of it and tend to look upon it as mumbo jumbo.
    As said the it cant be grasped by the mind, which is why those who are in no mind state say it cant be spoken of.
    The moment an attempt is made to speak of experimental Truth it becomes a concept and of course people want to debate that which cant be spoken of. Lol

    Love to you my friend
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I knew you knew what you knew smiling.

    It is unfortunate that people have difficulty in seeing the simplicity of it and tend to look upon it as mumbo jumbo.
    hehe non-duality forever!!


    the dream of individuality is not so easy to snap out of

    especially if one doesn't know it's a dream or just don't wanna wake up lol


    there are ways to wake as there are ways to fall into coma

    this is the important crossroad

    wanting to wake or keep on dreaming


    love and light Chris

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