Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Wind]

"Step into the fire of self-discovery. This fire will not burn you, it will only burn what you are not."

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Haha, it'll burn everything leaving nothing. Yet, people expect something to be said about the nothing.

[greybeard]

"The head is in the tigers mouth" is another---cute saying.
Once enlightenment is heard of in any depth--like it or not, the end is in insight.
Were are in the crucible being purified---that is, all that is not Self is burnt off.
All that remains is Truth.

Chris

[Grizz Griswold]

Posted by Guish (here)
Haha, it'll burn everything leaving nothing. Yet, people expect something to be said about the nothing.

Burn everything leaving nothing, and yet the Witness is joyous in the nothingness. The nothingness/the space in which all
things of time occur, has it's true being as nothingness, and in reality has never left.

Believe it was Eckhart Tolle who said, words are twice removed from reality, a symbol describing a symbol. But for now,
they still have their purpose.

Namaste.
barry

[Meggings]

This short blog from one Papaji called "awakened" is called "Be Wary of Ego". She writes: "It can be a real challenge to successfully transition from an initial Awakening to enlightenment." Aruna posted this April 7th, 2015. You may find it interesting.

She lives in Japan and has a rather "odd" URL to her blog. http://www.awakeningcoach.com/#!Be-W...f21e26badbd10d

[Guish]

Posted by Meggings (here)
This short blog from one Papaji called "awakened" is called "Be Wary of Ego". She writes: "It can be a real challenge to successfully transition from an initial Awakening to enlightenment." Aruna posted this April 7th, 2015. You may find it interesting.

She lives in Japan and has a rather "odd" URL to her blog. http://www.awakeningcoach.com/#!Be-W...f21e26badbd10d

Yes. There's also spiritual ego. One becomes enlightened and start to see others as beings with low levels of consciousness. I'm not sure whether anyone has mentioned about it before. It's a term that came from me upon observing people and talking to Bazz. For me, just looking at a picture of Buddha calms me down. I do see spiritual teachers who still hold on to things/concepts when they explain. I just look at their eyes and know if someone has a deep void inside or not. I also agree that it take a lifetime or lifetimes to understand the ego and it also depends on how much you yearn for God as Yogananda said.

Thanks Margaret.

[Wind]

"Leave your existence to existence, stop caring for yourself so much and let the universe care for you; it is the best mother."

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Zampy suggested that I listen to Sat Shree. His direct experience of truth is very similar to mine. and he explains it in a very clear manner avoiding symbolism or technical language.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0AXPL6y7Vts

[Guish]

Posted by Wind (here)

"Leave your existence to existence, stop caring for yourself so much and let the universe care for you; it is the best mother."

~ Mooji

I think one of the main mechanisms of the ego acts in the following way. In meditation/spirituality, one needs to let go and the ego will always try to disturb one's peace in so many forms focusing on the idea/concept that one can't survive without the identity/ego. It'll shoot arrows to you in the form of questions/confusions. No one will respect you, you won't be able to achieve anything, Enlightenment is fake, you're missing on so, so and so by meditating., you won't be able to look after your family, you're not being responsible towards them. You have to do this, you have to do that, you have to prove this, you have to prove that....

Everything falls into its place once you embrace your divinity. Take it as a hypothesis and try it.

Blessings,
Guish.

[Rich]

Posted by Guish (here)
Yes. There's also spiritual ego. One becomes enlightened and start to see others as beings with low levels of consciousness.

You can still think that someone has low consciousness or whatever but I don't think an enlightened one has spiritual arrogance otherwise it would mean that he is not enlightened.

[Guish]

Posted by EmEx (here)

Posted by Guish (here)
Yes. There's also spiritual ego. One becomes enlightened and start to see others as beings with low levels of consciousness.

You can still think that someone has low consciousness or whatever but I don't think an enlightened one has spiritual arrogance otherwise it would mean that he is not enlightened.

Good point. I remember Osho using the word stupid to describe people with low consciousness. Would you say Osho was enlightened or not? IMHO, categorizing people still means the ego is there, maybe faint but there. OSHO has been controversial though. Group sex in the ashram was one of the scandals of the time.

[Rich]

Guish, my definition of ego is an apparent separate self, which is required for experience so IMO ego will never go.
But also we are beyond ego always. I would say that someone who is aware of that will lose the arrogance because s/he sees herself in all.

I don't know if Osho was enlightened...

[Guish]

Posted by EmEx (here)
Guish, my definition of ego is an apparent separate self, which is required for experience so IMO ego will never go.
But also we are beyond ego always. I would say that someone who is aware of that will lose the arrogance because s/he sees herself in all.

I don't know if Osho was enlightened...

Hi Friend,

Allow me to share something. One can experience without ego. Recently, I've been living and performing actions using the rational mind less and less or not using it at all. Just today, I supervised a new teacher conducting lessons. She made mistakes but I allowed it to happen guiding her effortlessly till she realised where she got it wrong. I had no thoughts in my mind while doing any of the things I did today. I was very calm and peaceful. It was the divinity expressing itself or should I say the true self. However, one can't claim it to the public.

[betoobig]

My dear friends, i am right now in that very moment... completly out of the confort zone. It´s nothing but easy, specially becouse i have kids. Feelling faithfull...but totally in the aaaaaaaiiiirrrrrrrr even though grounded. Uf!!!
LOve to all

Juan

[Guish]

Posted by betoobig (here)
My dear friends, i am right now in that very moment... completly out of the confort zone. It´s nothing but easy, specially becouse i have kids. Feelling faithfull...but totally in the aaaaaaaiiiirrrrrrrr even though grounded. Uf!!!
LOve to all

Juan

Happy for you, Juan.

[betoobig]

sniff!! hurts in a way Guish, i guess it´s just the ego with his finger in my... eye..
Thanks from my heart.
LOve
Juan

[Guish]

Posted by betoobig (here)
sniff!! hurts in a way Guish, i guess it´s just the ego with his finger in my... eye..
Thanks from my heart.
LOve
Juan

Hugs. My 2 year old son is sleeping right now. Good luck with your kids. It's 11 p.m here. Time to meditate and get some sleep. See you brother!

Cheers,
Geerish.

[greybeard]

Ramesh Balsekar said that there were two kinds of mind.

One is the working mind---learned skills is an example of this.
The other, I cant remember what he called it but the usual ego classifications will do.
So yes the working mind left to its own can perform anything it knows how to.
Ramesh used surgery as an example.

The surgeon was skilfully performing an intricate operation -- then his assistant said "Do you know who we are working on? Thats a very important person---we will be in big trouble if we don't pull this off.
You can guess that this could really put the surgeon off.
There were and are times when Im playing the bass guitar with friends and Im aware that i have no idea what note im going to play next.
Sometimes its as though the dang thing is playing me.
I have got real highs playing.

Betoobig I really get the comfort zone thing--keep coming.

I believe that human spirituality is evolving rapidly.
Even though I was reading Ramana Maharshi years ago the penny did not drop that there is only One--non-duality.
I am that-----is a big thing to get your head around.
I had to hear it over and over again till I was ready to really hear it far less believe that it applied to me and all others.
Now there is a growing number of Western teachers speaking about Non-duality.

This thread is getting really busy with interesting posts.

With Love
Chris

[Rich]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I had to hear it over and over again till I was ready to really hear it

Well, then one more time can't hurt...

There can really be no other, except as an experience, but not as an actual existence.
Not as an actual mechanical reality, not as an actual mechanical physical truth.
It's only an experience, otherness, difference, is only an experience, a valid experience,
a beautiful experience, a creative experience, to be sure.
But it is not the framework, it is only an experience On the framework, because
the framework never changes - the framework in that sense is Existence Itself.
~Bashar

[greybeard]

The Only Remedy for Suffering on the Planet (Complete)

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