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    Hey guys, thanks for the wonderful thread
    Just about two days ago I received my usual newsletter from Adrian Cooper ( Our Ultimate Reality ) , and guess what it is about : Ego-less Expression. So if you think it's worth your while reading it, I suggest you do so . http://www.ourultimatereality.com/ne...ers/180410.pdf - here is the link. I don't exactly know if you can read it if you are not a member of the web site, or not, but if so create an account, it's easy to do and takes little time; also might help in the future .
    For those who are not familiar with Adrian Cooper, I also recommend reading his book, since it offers quite some knowledge and a good vibe . The book and many other materials can be found here http://www.ourultimatereality.com/files/ .

    Oh, and concerning the ego, I do recommend you take a look over the montalk materials too. Here is a link for that as well - http://montalk.net/metaphys/42/princ...olution-part-i - It might not seem to have any connection at first, but I assure you it does if you take a closer look

    Sorry if I was a bit off topic for you.

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    Hey guys, thanks for the wonderful thread
    Just about two days ago I received my usual newsletter from Adrian Cooper ( Our Ultimate Reality ) , and guess what it is about : Ego-less Expression. So if you think it's worth your while reading it, I suggest you do so . http://www.ourultimatereality.com/ne...ers/180410.pdf - here is the link. I don't exactly know if you can read it if you are not a member of the web site, or not, but if so create an account, it's easy to do and takes little time; also might help in the future .
    For those who are not familiar with Adrian Cooper, I also recommend reading his book, since it offers quite some knowledge and a good vibe . The book and many other materials can be found here http://www.ourultimatereality.com/files/ .

    Oh, and concerning the ego, I do recommend you take a look over the montalk materials too. Here is a link for that as well - http://montalk.net/metaphys/42/princ...olution-part-i - It might not seem to have any connection at first, but I assure you it does if you take a closer look

    Sorry if I was a bit off topic for you.

    Best of wishes,
    Rares
    Hey Rares, Bun Venit! If you visit the link in my sig. you'll find the book there. (daca esti interesat sa participi si tu cu noi)
    Pentru mai multe detalii PM.

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    Quote Posted by Perplex (here)
    Hey guys, thanks for the wonderful thread
    Just about two days ago I received my usual newsletter from Adrian Cooper ( Our Ultimate Reality ) , and guess what it is about : Ego-less Expression. So if you think it's worth your while reading it, I suggest you do so . http://www.ourultimatereality.com/ne...ers/180410.pdf - here is the link. I don't exactly know if you can read it if you are not a member of the web site, or not, but if so create an account, it's easy to do and takes little time; also might help in the future .
    For those who are not familiar with Adrian Cooper, I also recommend reading his book, since it offers quite some knowledge and a good vibe . The book and many other materials can be found here http://www.ourultimatereality.com/files/ .

    Oh, and concerning the ego, I do recommend you take a look over the montalk materials too. Here is a link for that as well - http://montalk.net/metaphys/42/princ...olution-part-i - It might not seem to have any connection at first, but I assure you it does if you take a closer look

    Sorry if I was a bit off topic for you.

    Best of wishes,
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    Hi Rares
    welcome here and thanks for sharing.
    Very much on topic.
    I had a quick look at the newsletter which is good.
    Its not possible to transcend the ego without Divine intervention, however it is good to start by taming it.
    Everything is as it should be. Consciousness is at play.
    According to Eckhart Tolle and others consciousness is rising as the Totality want that to happen and is binging it about.
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    Indeed, and still the Ego is part of our current life experience because we chose it that way, and it is amongst the package of "lessons" we are bound to return to our higher self with. Otherwise, if we had not needed it in the first place, it would not be, now . But nevertheless , taming it is of course , never a bad option :D . But don't forget it's a part of us all, as long as it still is , and in order to " tame it " it must first of all be acknowledged , as it is

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    Indeed, and still the Ego is part of our current life experience because we chose it that way, and it is amongst the package of "lessons" we are bound to return to our higher self with. Otherwise, if we had not needed it in the first place, it would not be, now . But nevertheless , taming it is of course , never a bad option :D . But don't forget it's a part of us all, as long as it still is , and in order to " tame it " it must first of all be acknowledged , as it is

    Cheers !
    Hi Perplex
    Agreed that the ego is currently part of our existence, so is war,disharmony and many other things that are not "healthy"
    Though everything has its place to assist our evolution.
    However times the are a changing.
    Its like the ego was a first stage in a rocket to get us so far, it burns out and drops away having got us this far..
    In order for it to go it does have to be acknowledged, it is not the enemy and has been useful, however we are evolving to a point where it is no longer needed.
    Awareness takes its place.
    There has allways been fore runners in the world showing us the way.
    Until Rodger Bannister ran the four minute mile people believed that the speeds achieved up till that time was the max for human runners.
    The moment that barrier was broken there was a flood of runner exceeding Rodger Bannisters sucess.
    So coming to the point.
    There have allways been sages since time began who lived in oneness with God -non-duality, an egoless state. Their minds silent they just know, they are aware of all that needs to be known, there is no mind between them and subjective experience.
    I suggest that now many are heading for that state which some call Christ-consciousness.
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    Indeed, and still the Ego is part of our current life experience because we chose it that way, and it is amongst the package of "lessons" we are bound to return to our higher self with. Otherwise, if we had not needed it in the first place, it would not be, now . But nevertheless , taming it is of course , never a bad option :D . But don't forget it's a part of us all, as long as it still is , and in order to " tame it " it must first of all be acknowledged , as it is

    Cheers !
    Hi Perplex
    Agreed that the ego is currently part of our existence, so is war,disharmony and many other things that are not "healthy"
    Though everything has its place to assist our evolution.
    However times the are a changing.
    Its like the ego was a first stage in a rocket to get us so far, it burns out and drops away having got us this far..
    In order for it to go it does have to be acknowledged, it is not the enemy and has been useful, however we are evolving to a point where it is no longer needed.
    Awareness takes its place.
    There has allways been fore runners in the world showing us the way.
    Until Rodger Bannister ran the four minute mile people believed that the speeds achieved up till that time was the max for human runners.
    The moment that barrier was broken there was a flood of runner exceeding Rodger Bannisters sucess.
    So coming to the point.
    There have allways been sages since time began who lived in oneness with God -non-duality, an egoless state. Their minds silent they just know, they are aware of all that needs to be known, there is no mind between them and subjective experience.
    I suggest that now many are heading for that state which some call Christ-consciousness.
    Chris
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    Indeed, and still the Ego is part of our current life experience because we chose it that way, and it is amongst the package of "lessons" we are bound to return to our higher self with. Otherwise, if we had not needed it in the first place, it would not be, now . But nevertheless , taming it is of course , never a bad option :D . But don't forget it's a part of us all, as long as it still is , and in order to " tame it " it must first of all be acknowledged , as it is

    Cheers !
    I do agree, Perplex. No ego - no lesson - no point.

    I think one of the great lessons of life is finding our way from ego back to who we are .

    The barriers of your belief will form the bars which imprison your mind.

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    I do agree, Perplex. No ego - no lesson - no point.

    I think one of the great lessons of life is finding our way from ego back to who we are .
    Problem is repeating the same lesson over and over again and not getting back to who we really are. Lol
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    Indeed graybeard
    I never suggested we should repeat the lesson and of course, when the time comes it won't be needed at all, as you said in the rocket metaphor, which I liked by the way lol :D
    Awareness is surely going to take it's place soon, and we all await that moment , I'm sure
    It is all, just a matter of perspective.

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    Thanks Dan
    there is a level beyond consciousness and even awareness, that is being aware of being aware.
    That is truly what you are -- pure awareness.
    At that level all thought stops. It is no longer needed.
    Its virtually telepathic.
    There is no distance between subject and object so there is no time as we know it no space ie distance as everything is literally interconnected yet unique. Science has proven that.
    We are connected to the furthest part of the galaxy.
    The finger is connected to the hand to the arm, they have different functions but they operate in tandem, in unison as one.
    The mystics say that Truth can not be spoken of because the moment explanation is applied it becomes a concept and that is not it.
    That which we are can only be experienced subjectively.
    The ego is a separation device which prevents us knowing our true self.
    Therefore if one really wants to know One Self the ego must be transcended.
    Thats as near as I can get to it.
    Eckhart is in that state and point the way for others to follow.
    Its our true state
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    More to learn about the "benefits" of the ego...

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    Problem is repeating the same lesson over and over again and not getting back to who we really are. Lol
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    Greybeard,

    The master of all the Ego conversations how to transcend the ego.

    if the ego is in its simplest

    "the opinion that you have of yourself and your own importance",
    then why did you choose the photo RAMANA as your Avatar ?

    Do you take yourself so important that you can speak through the Master RAMANA,
    be his representative here ? or why the avatar ?

    (To be honest, I am really disappointed with you, as I actually though that it is a photo of you
    when you were in India being a breatharian...all that.)

    a.

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    The naughtiness of my ego trascnends my need to transcend it.


    KNietzsche
    In all ages, in all lands, there have been those who seek truth. This seeking is an individual's search for something more than self, and much more than the confines of this worldly system. It is the seeker, who understands there is more than what meets the eye, who is not afraid and makes the choice to go into the unknown. The process of awaking has begun, the discovery is underway.
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    Greybeard,

    The master of all the Ego conversations how to transcend the ego.

    if the ego is in its simplest

    "the opinion that you have of yourself and your own importance",
    then why did you choose the photo RAMANA as your Avatar ?

    Do you take yourself so important that you can speak through the Master RAMANA,
    be his representative here ? or why the avatar ?

    (To be honest, I am really disappointed with you, as I actually though that it is a photo of you
    when you were in India being a breatharian...all that.)

    a.
    hi a,
    I had to have some avatar, so I picked Ramana out of respect for his teachings.
    I dont represent anyone except me.
    I respect the Budahs teaching which says "Put no head above your own" so I dont neither do I put no head below my own, we are all equal souls.

    My own picture is on the personal page.
    Virtually everything I know about the ego is attributed to Hawkins or Eckhart Tolle however I have found it to be true in my own experience.
    I share what I have found to be useful, people can pick it up or leave it as they wish.
    My ego is still work in progress as I have said several times.
    The ego thread has gone on and on because people ask questions and visit the thread, if no one visited it, the thread would have died a long time ago.
    Some have pm me to say how much they have benefited.
    Where is the Transcend the ego thread leading?
    Why home of course.
    My thoughts are my own though influenced by the teachers and life experiences.
    I dont claim to be right but, I suspect that Hawkins, Ramana and other sages are.
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    I had to have some avatar, so I picked Ramana out of respect for his teachings.
    What if I change my Avatar to the Holy image of Virgin Mary ?

    I am sure that it would protect me from too much critisism,
    or even from those ones who posted me "be dead you..." images

    And, it may even bring to the surface something in me,
    more gentle, loving and caring, motherly energies...

    the holy images, pictures or paintings are not to be worshiped,
    but
    they remind us of something "holy", giving us " a role model",
    idea of something that we may be able ourselves to reach or return to.


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    I dont represent anyone except me.
    and then you may change your avatar to be your own beautiful self,
    do not shy away, hide behind the picture of other master...


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    The naughtiness of my ego trascnends my need to transcend it.
    And that is so true with you !
    you are a bad bad boy, who takes himself so important that keeps people waiting !

    You invited yourself over, not bothered to to tell that you are not coming until the day later...
    and I noticed that you did the same to Samvado, as he complained on one thread you not showing up on Thursday...

    Naughty Boy ! but I love you anyway.

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    What if I change my Avatar to the Holy image of Virgin Mary ?

    I am sure that it would protect me from too much critisism,
    or even from those ones who posted me "be dead you..." images

    And, it may even bring to the surface something in me,
    more gentle, loving and caring, motherly energies...

    the holy images, pictures or paintings are not to be worshiped,
    but
    they remind us of something "holy", giving us " a role model",
    idea of something that we may be able ourselves to reach or return to.




    and then you may change your avatar to be your own beautiful self,
    do not shy away, hide behind the picture of other master...


    Love,
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    Hi a,
    The Virgin Mary picture may be a good idea -smiling.
    I dont actually have many pics of me.
    In my ignorance I thought that an avatar pic was supposed to be of an avatar when I first joined avalon, I havent been on another forum so I didnt know.
    Foolish man.

    I like the Ramana pic, there is a certain energy to it, and it kinda reminds me of the spiritual intention I have expressed.

    I will see if I can upload a clearer picture of me to my page here.
    Your personal picture is very good.
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    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)
    I like the Ramana pic, there is a certain energy to it, and it kinda reminds me of the spiritual intention I have expressed.
    It has indeed a very loving honest energy,
    and when you, greybeard, sing your voice is like Ramana's ! (or as I suppose his voice to be.)

    so, if anyone does not know, go to www.myspiritualoasis.org and
    you could find Greybeard singing ! I love it.

    Quote Posted by greybeard (here)

    I will see if I can upload a clearer picture of me to my page here.
    Your personal picture is very good.
    (There is only two or three photos of me from past seven eight or ten or sixteen years...
    so, I took a photo of myself last October, just before my birthday, as I did not even know myself how I actually looked...funny, as mirrors can lie, sensitive people are not that good to be photographed, so I know that it is not that easy for you to find a good photo of yourself,
    and those full of ego, importance, like to be photographed all the time and always look good on photos !)

    Love,
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    Quote Posted by annemirri (here)
    It has indeed a very loving honest energy,
    and when you, greybeard, sing your voice is like Ramana's ! (or as I suppose his voice to be.)

    so, if anyone does not know, go to www.myspiritualoasis.org and
    you could find Greybeard singing ! I love it.

    Love,
    a.
    Chris, personally I like the avatar you chose
    Thank you Anne, for recommending Chris's songs which I also like very much.

    Here is a great video for all of us to enjoy...

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