Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[joeecho]

Accepting or not accepting, ultimately, is 'same same but different' and as such so is the suffering.

[Clear Light]

Posted by Clear Light (here)
Oh heaven's forbid there's some actual 'truth' to the idea of a 'desire realm' though perhaps in a more 'real' day-to-day way I'd say it's probably more easily considered as 'sensual desire' ... but no-one really wants to go down that road because of the inherent implications eh ?

Food for thought perhaps LOL

Welcome back Buddy

Oh, now, I feel it is probably worth some clarification with regards to my comment ^^^^ in the sense that I don't want to give the wrong impression that ALL "desire" is somehow a "hindrance" towards "spiritual growth" (if you will) ... like "getting married" and / or "having children" eh ?

AFAIC with Buddhism there's a lot of "talk" about the "middle way" so putting this into context with respect to food, I'd say it's kind of like being "towards the middle" between the one extreme of Asceticism and that of the other extreme of Hedonism so please understand I'm *not* for one moment suggesting everybody should "do as a monk does" and just drink water and eat rice once a day LOL !!!

But in the interests of full self-disclosure there was a period (roughly around 2008 for a time) when I was only drinking boiled water and eating once a day, however, that was when I was doing full-on Voluntary work and the circumstances were favourable to it then. In retrospect it was a very "useful" *exploration* of who "I thought I was" ...

Now of course a Healthy Diet is essential but I will say it is up to each of "us" who are seemingly "on a path" to find what works for them in terms of Taste / Nutrition / Portion Size etc etc ... It's common sense really eh ?

[Wind]

Ah, desires. If I desire to get rid of unnecessary suffering and my ego's dominance, am I just acting out from my ego?

... Or is my higher self guiding me to that path?

[Clear Light]

Posted by Wind (here)
Ah, desires. If I desire to get rid of unnecessary suffering and my ego's dominance, am I just acting out from my ego?

... Or is my higher self guiding me to that path?

Well ... perhaps ? But far better to uncover the "emptiness" of the egoic-self itself because upon its dissolution / cessation / dissolving "who" is there left to "dominate" eh ?

[Guish]

Posted by Wind (here)
Ah, desires. If I desire to get rid of unnecessary suffering and my ego's dominance, am I just acting out from my ego?

... Or is my higher self guiding me to that path?

Hi Windy,

The me is a you. The self is not something to be destroyed. The plain truth is that we are all connected. You have to take care of yourself so that you can take care of others. when you take care of others, you are taking care of yourself.

Cheers mate,
Geerish.

[Wind]

Be where the seeing arises from,
where even the seeing is being seen.
Just be there. This is your home.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Posted by Wind (here)
Be where the seeing arises from,
where even the seeing is being seen.
Just be there. This is your home.

~ Mooji

Everywhere is our home.
In the middle of chaos, In a quiet room, while drinking a beer with Joe, Chris and You.
There's no need to find peace. It's already here.

Gassho,
Geerish.

[joeecho]

Piece is not peace

Analogy: The pan is peace in which the pie and its pieces are not a part.

Now who wants pie? Greerish? Wind? Chris? Anyone else?

[greybeard]

I have a dead pan expression regarding your post Joe.
But I get it.
Peace is intact---pie--vegetarian of course---- is eaten.
Who is doing the washing up?
I love water.
Ch

[joeecho]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Who is doing the washing up?
I love water.
Ch

From the context of the pie, there is no pan to wash.

[joeecho]

Dead pan? I get it. No need to hint twice.

That's my cue.

[greybeard]

Posted by joeecho (here)
Dead pan? I get it. No need to hint twice.

That's my cue.

Hallelujah---is that the famous singer --now deceased?
Leonard Cohen.

No hinting ---play on words.
My turn to do the non existent. dishes.

Ch

[Wind]

Emptiness is the greatest freedom.
No person can be in that.
And this is the best absence:
the absence of a person.
Only in this absence
is God revealed.

~ Mooji

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by joeecho (here)
Dead pan? I get it. No need to hint twice.

That's my cue.

Hallelujah---is that the famous singer --now deceased?
Leonard Cohen.

No hinting ---play on words.
My turn to do the non existent. dishes.

Ch

Thought that was Ian Mckellan as Magneto.

[greybeard]

Yes your right--Its the hat that threw me--very Leonard Cohen.

Chris

[joeecho]

Posted by Wind (here)


Emptiness is the greatest freedom.
No person can be in that.
And this is the best absence:
the absence of a person.
Only in this absence
is God revealed.

~ Mooji

Emptiness is the greatest freedom.
No person can be in that.

In this first part of the Mooji quote is a great hint at the nature of suffering.
It also suggests that having it 'all' is not the ultimate freedom.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0FqPYdwSBD0

(I know the above video has been posted many times but it seemed like a perfect compliment to the Mooji quote)

So you have to ask yourself the question, what matters?

[Guish]

Yes. It's not emptiness as a state of mind but emptiness of our fake self- name, caste, religion, sometimes emotions, status, job title and so on...
However, there's also a unique you.

Cheers,
Geerish.

[joeecho]

Emptiness is the greatest freedom.
No person can be in that.

'Person' by definition is identity while emptiness/ nothingness is unidentifiable, it cannot be focused on. Focusing is a mental process and as such unqualified to be empty. Emptiness is elusive to cognitive function which always seeks to grasp 'things'.

In a world where the possession of things takes center stage whether mental or material, emptiness is and always will remain unpossessed. That is why even Bill Gates lacks the greatest freedom.

Emptiness is the equalizer of all.

What is it that perfection lacks? Nothing.

[Guish]

[greybeard]

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