Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[greybeard]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

The Absolute absence is everything
The Absence of everything
Is the Absolute

OR

Ego/mind
strengthens concepts
of knowledge and ideas
to keep from dying
to the Absolute

All truth
Good to have you here.

Chris

[RunningDeer]

New to PA back then, now I see that this doesn't fit this thread.

[greybeard]

Ramesh said
"God gave you an ego let Him remove it."

C

[RunningDeer]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

The Absolute absence is everything
The Absence of everything
Is the Absolute

OR

Ego/mind
strengthens concepts
of knowledge and ideas
to keep from dying
to the Absolute

All truth
Good to have you here.

Chris

Thanks, graybeard. Pressure's off when there's no answers to questions with no answers. Tee...

[RunningDeer]

New to PA back then, now I see that this doesn't fit this thread.

[another bob]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
@greybeard - Ramesh said "God gave you an ego let Him remove it." Still learning how to get around. ;(

Meant for this to go with your response. It was suppose to be bookend set.

Why stop there?
Why not let Her remove the mind?
I say, go right to the heart-song for Her guidance.

Totapuri approached Ramakrishna with the proposal that he receive initiation into Advaita Vedanta. Ramakrishna replied, "I must ask my Mother Kali." He entered the temple and received permission from the living divinity that he experienced pulsatiing through the stone image enshrined there. That evening, Toatpuri began instructing him in Formless Meditation. But as Ramakrishna concentrated deeply, the radiant figure of the Goddess appeared to his inner eye. When he reported this to Totapuri, the austere naked monk took a sharp stone and pressed it firmly against Ramakrishna's forehead, instructing him to concentrate on the pain and assuring him that he could transcend the divine form and merge into the infinite expanse of the absolute. Once more, Ramakrishna meditated and, as he later expressed it, "with the sword of wisdom, I cut through the divine form of Kali." Her form dissolved, and his individuality completely disappeared into Her formless aspect. For three days Ramakrishna was completely lost to the world in a near state of suspended animation called Nirodha, seated in the small Meditation Hut, motionless, all breathing and body functions slowed to a standstill.

Totapuri was amazed, because, like the Buddha's brother or cousin Ananda, Totapuri had practiced for forty years to achieve the same level of experience -- nirvikalpa samadhi -- the disappearance of individual identity in the Absolute. It occurred to Ramakrishna in a single sitting.

Ramakrishna remained silent for six days and finally, when he opened his eyes he thanked Totapuri saying "If you had not come, I would have lived my whole life with the hallucination. My last barrier has fallen away." He became Enlightened after he had cut the last barrier. But even the followers of Ramakrishna don't mention the incident because it makes the whole effort of worshipping futile.

http://www.gurusfeet.com/guru/totapuri-maharaj

[greybeard]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
@greybeard - Ramesh said "God gave you an ego let Him remove it." Still learning how to get around. ;(

Meant for this to go with your response. It was suppose to be bookend set.

Why stop there?
Why not let Her remove the mind?
I say, go right to the heart-song for Her guidance.

(I'm being an ego and flip right now. Sorry. And totally disrespectful of You and Ramesh. I'm going to apologize twice in this post. Sorry)

There is no disrespect in what you say.
Just be as you are WhiteCrowBlackDeer.
Whatever comes up comes up.
Chris

[RunningDeer]

New to PA back then, now I see that this doesn't fit this thread. You all had a lot of patience. Thank you.

[Jenci]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
Oh, man..Grrrr @greybeard, this was suppose to attach to your response. I hope you can follow the thread. And I'll leave it at that.

My Message:
You are the definition of Enlightenment...

Welcome to Avalon Whitecrowblackdeer.

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Take your time....you'll get there

Jeanette

[RunningDeer]

New to PA back then, now I see that this doesn't fit this thread. You all had a lot of patience. Thank you.

[Jenci]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)

Welcome to Avalon Whitecrowblackdeer.

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Take your time....you'll get there

Jeanette

Testing, testing, 1,2,3... I've cut and pasted your message in case it gets lost in that black hole that's been following me all around. I've name the saved document, "Life Preserver"

Tee, it's working... Thank you, Jeanette. I thought I was doing that. I'll still "review" your note. Thanks bunches!

You've got it !!

[Jenci]

Thanks Bob for this quote.

Posted by U.G. Krishnamurti
Real silence is explosive; it is not the dead state of mind that spiritual seekers think.

Explosive. Such a great way to describe it. A paradox, a contradiction, as usual. But so true.

Posted by U.G. Krishnamurti
The natural state is not a ‘thoughtless state’ — that is one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated for thousands of years on poor, helpless Hindus. You will never be without thought until the body is a corpse, a very dead corpse. Being able to think is necessary to survive. But in this state thought stops choking you; it falls into its natural rhythm. There is no longer a ‘you’ who reads the thoughts and thinks that they are ‘his’.

I spent much of my life thinking I was cursed with an over active mind, with an incessant stream of thoughts, usually of the insane type, all my waking hours. In fact I think I was blessed with this mind which will not shut up thinking.

I've learned, that despite the thoughts, the silence is here. There can be perfect stillness in the midst of chaos.
I am no longer troubled by my mind.

Feelings come and go, yet I remain.

Jeanette

[RunningDeer]

New to PA back then, now I see that this doesn't fit this thread. You all had a lot of patience. Thank you.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi Vidya
I suggest that Higher self is actually looking after one.
Your are right that the human race would not have survived this far without ego for the reasons you have mentioned.
However that intellect that created many good snd useful things also created many that are not life supporting.
We are heading into a time of transition of consciousness in fact a new breed of human you could call Homo spiritus, that is a dfinition used by Dr David Hawkins in several books of his.
the publisher is
http://www.veritaspub.com/
well worth a quick vist to the web page.\
thanks for your contribution.
Chris

I've read most of his material. I'd second it. Thinker, Philosopher. And if you are ready, a Life changer.

[RunningDeer]

New to PA back then, now I see that this doesn't fit this thread. You all had a lot of patience. Thank you.

[RunningDeer]

New to PA back then, now I see that this doesn't fit this thread. You all had a lot of patience. Thank you.

[RunningDeer]

New to PA back then, now I see that this doesn't fit this thread. You all had a lot of patience. Thank you.

[Jenci]

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
And for me, posting this now is a decision I’ve made even though I feel incredibly vulnerable.

Hi WhiteCrow,

If I had to say one thing about this path to enlightenment, I would say it is about being vulnerable. It's about being unguarded, it's about no longer protecting myself, it's about coming out of hiding and it's about doing things which I know are going to hurt me.

You see, in the end, there is no choice but to be vulnerable. Time and time again.... until there is no more being vulnerable or being safe and I no longer mind if there is pain or not.

Jeanette

[Jenci]

A favourite quote of mine on being vulnerable by Jeff Foster

http://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/re...cripts/poetry/

Jeanette

HEARTBREAK



Life is here to break your heart over and over again
until you realise that heartbreak is life too.

And then your heart can no longer be broken.
Or fixed.

And you stand naked in front of life, moment by moment,
knowing that whatever happens is totally okay
even in the midst of perfect devastation,
which, of course, is devastating perfection.

This is freedom beyond the speaking of it.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Jenci (here)

Posted by WhiteCrowBlackDeer (here)
And for me, posting this now is a decision I’ve made even though I feel incredibly vulnerable.

Hi WhiteCrow,

If I had to say one thing about this path to enlightenment, I would say it is about being vulnerable. It's about being unguarded, it's about no longer protecting myself, it's about coming out of hiding and it's about doing things which I know are going to hurt me.

You see, in the end, there is no choice but to be vulnerable. Time and time again.... until there is no more being vulnerable or being safe and I no longer mind if there is pain or not.

Jeanette

Wow, Jeanette, whew, I can stop holding my breath now! Your words are freeing. And your timing - impeccable. I'm sending an understated thank you, with a good dose of heart mixed in, Paula xo (WhiteCrowBlackDeer)