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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    This is between the US/Allies and Russia/Allies.

    There has been a gradually escalating Cold War between the two for years, of which the public has mostly been kept in the dark about.

    Unexplained/Unacknowledged missile launches, which have been occurring over the past several years, are called Saber-Rattling (See what we can do?).

    Unexplained disappearances and/or take-downs of passenger airliners are called False-Flags (Blamed on another party).

    If you want confirmation of just how serious this has become you need to read the RT/USA News article which I posted in the Putin in Syria: Squeezing US/NATO/Gladio out of Eurasia - Leuren Moret thread, about statements made by US Defense Secretary Ash Carter.


    Russia & China Are ‘Challenging The World Order’ – US Defense Sec


    It is my opinion that the take-down of this Russian passenger plane was caused by the use of a Directed-Energy/Laser weapon, and possibly a Space-Borne one. My reasoning for this is that the Fuel Cells on a passenger aircraft are contained within the wings, the Flash Point of Jet A fuel is only 38 °C (100 °F) and the Autoignition Temperature of Jet A fuel is only 210 °C (410 °F), and the only residue to be found from such an explosion would be from the components of the fuel.

    Which all makes the following comments made by Carter an important hint:

    Excerpt:
    To confront the threat, the US military industrial complex is heavily investing in cutting-edge warfare technologies “that are most relevant to Russia’s provocations.” Such as? “New unmanned systems, a new long-range bomber… innovation in technologies like the electromagnetic railgun, lasers and new systems for electronic warfare, space and cyberspace, including a few surprising ones I really can’t describe here,” Carter said

    Insane Clown Psychopaths

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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    Quote This is between the US/Allies and Russia/Allies.
    The pressure has been growing by some in the British military and
    government and right wing press to join in the bombing of Syria,
    as stated in an earlier post. UK politics is more suttle in these
    matters and plenty of word play by Michael Fallon in the 2nd
    article below. " we had 30 holiday makers killed on a Tunisian
    beach , so we must bomb Syria " usual political spin.



    Syria crisis: UK 'letting down' allies over air strikes

    Sun 8 November 2015....7 hours ago

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34759339

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    Michael Fallon: 'Morally indefensible' not to bomb IS in Syria

    6 November 2015

    Short vid on link...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34742361

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    Egypt plane crash: Airport security rethink 'may be needed'

    Sun 8 November 2015
    3 hours ago... From the section UK

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34759152

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    Russia plane crash: '11,000 tourists back' from Egypt

    8 November 2015...3 hours ago

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34759570

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    How a plane crash is investigated

    6 November 2015

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-34745186
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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    Actually I posted these articles this morning on the conflict post
    not this one......

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1017622


    One reason for wars is to fire their weapons so they can develop and sell more '
    The mil ind complex' share holders, warmongers and all. Of course other countries
    China ,Russia and others have their own arms manufactures, so we are heading
    back to the 'Arms race' of the cold war. Which is what these corporate war mongers
    and 'chicken Hawke' politicians and of course the generals and admirals who would
    not have a job !!

    Which is why some British generals have been lobbying to get involved with the
    bombing of Syria. The UK is already involved with the conflict going on in Iraq with
    drones and other efforts which has been downplayed as if we are letting our allies down....

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    Syria crisis: UK 'letting down' allies over air strikes
    1 hour ago


    The UK is currently only targeting Islamic State militants in Iraq

    The UK is "letting down" its allies by failing to launch air strikes against terrorist
    group Islamic State in Syria, says Britain's top military commander.

    General Sir Nicholas Houghton, the chief of the defence staff, criticised the UK
    policy of restricting RAF air strikes to neighbouring Iraq.

    He told Sky News the decision "makes no sense" when IS, also known as Isil, has
    its stronghold in Syria.

    MPs rejected possible UK military action in Syria in 2013.

    Sir Nicholas told Sky's Murnaghan programme: "To an extent yes, we are letting
    our allies down by not being a full player."


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34759339

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    Blood Media: Many of CNN, FOX News ‘Experts’ Cashing In On Wars They’re Hyping

    By David Icke on 8th November 2015



    Blood Media: Many of CNN, FOX News ‘Experts’ Cashing In On Wars They’re Hyping

    November 6, 2015 By 21wire 3 Comments

    21st Century Wire says…

    Here’s a key story we ran previously, and it’s even more relevant today.

    Back in late 2013, an independent investigation revealed that at least 22
    defense industry stakeholders were used by the likes of CNN, FOX News
    and others – as ‘experts’ and ‘correspondents’ in order to help sell another
    war in Syria (or anywhere else for that matter).

    Just remember the following when you see the usual corporate media
    operatives on TV trying to sell you another next war…





    NOTE: The Pentagon should really sell sponsorship on US missiles
    and bombs to its trove of corporate partners (Image: 21WIRE)

    Before the White House’s Syrian War flop, networks like CNN, MSNBC,
    Fox News and Bloomberg TV wheeled out at least 22 different men who
    they claimed were “pundits” and “commentators”, but in actuality were
    merely bomb and missile salesmen – who held director, board and
    shareholding positions with military giants like Raytheon, DC Capital
    Partners and BAE Systems.

    Yes, you heard that right.

    Watchdog organisation, the Public Accountability Initiative, a non-profit
    research group, details this and many more disclosures in its recent and
    damning report on US media coverage to hype a war in Syria.

    Should CNN, MSNBC, FOX lose their broadcasting licenses in the US for
    this gross breach of ethics, particularly when it’s used to sell something
    as violent and abhorrent as war? We say YES. Will that happen in the US?
    Well, no, because the media in the US is far from bias and is tightly linked
    in ownership and sponsorship to the war industry. Start with General
    Electric and work your way around the table from there.


    Read more: Blood Media: Many of CNN, FOX News ‘Experts’ Cashing In
    On Wars They’re Hyping

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/11/0...theyre-hyping/

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    Roll out the general on remembrance sunday ...




    Corbyn nuclear stance 'could undermine UK's deterrent'
    20 minutes ago




    Jeremy Corbyn's refusal to launch nuclear weapons would "undermine" the
    UK's "deterrent" if he became PM, the chief of the defence staff has warned.

    Gen Sir Nicholas Houghton told the BBC's Andrew Marr he would be worried if such
    a view "translated into power".

    Shadow defence secretary Maria Eagle said she disagreed with Mr Corbyn's belief in
    unilateral disarmament.The party's official policy was still to back renewing Trident,
    but a review was under way, she added.

    Read More....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34759626
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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    Why British Haste on Plane Bomb Theory?

    By David Icke on 8th November 2015





    ‘British officials have made an unseemly leap to speculate on a
    terrorist plot in the Russian airliner crash over Sinai last weekend.

    And Russia has understandably reacted furiously to the speculation,
    saying that it is too early to make such an assessment when crash
    investigators have not even compiled, let alone evaluated, evidence.

    American officials, including President Barack Obama, are also now
    echoing the British claims of a bomb on the plane. The question is:
    why the haste?’

    Read more: Why British Haste on Plane Bomb Theory?



    Published on 7 Nov 2015

    Misha Gavrilovitch, International Affairs Commentator, believes the
    UK govt want to respond to Russia's presence in the Middle East.

    Like what you see? Please subscribe http://youtube.com/RTUKnews

    http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20...321-crash.html

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    Militants Allegedly Linked to A321 Plane Crash Spoke in British Accents

    By David Icke on 8th November 2015



    ‘The Telegraph newspaper said late Saturday it had picked up on reports
    suggesting that British-born jihadists could have been involved in the air
    tragedy in Sinai, a desert region where militant insurgency has been on
    the rise since last year.

    The British outlet said it was too early to claim that perpetrators were British,
    but if confirmed this would move the issue of ISIL recruiting Britons high up
    the UK government’s anti-terrorist agenda.

    UK and US officials said earlier this week there was a possibility that the
    crashed Russian airliner could have been brought down by a bomb. The
    Airbus A321 was flying from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh to St.
    Petersburg when it crashed, killing all 224 people on board.’

    Read more: Militants Allegedly Linked to A321 Plane Crash Spoke in British Accents

    http://sputniknews.com/world/2015110...h-accents.html

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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    Photos clearly show a shrapnel hit from a missile

    Quote British Foreign Secretary Says “Bomb,” which means “Missile”
    By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor on November 10, 2015
    "That means that the missile was fired from the Israeli side of the border"

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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    Quote Posted by idiit (here)
    Photos clearly show a shrapnel hit from a missile

    Quote British Foreign Secretary Says “Bomb,” which means “Missile”
    By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor on November 10, 2015
    "That means that the missile was fired from the Israeli side of the border"
    The composite image being referred to is this one. The photo on the left appears to show a window (to the rear left), implying that we're looking at the exterior of the fuselage.

    Looking at the bending of the metal round the hole, that seems to imply that the shrapnel effect came from inside the fuselage, not from outside. Just noting what my eyes seems to be telling me when I look closely at the photo.



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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    Right: what's missing is the substantiating of an equivalent entry point from the opposite side of the fuselage... not documented.

    Quote The steel ball bearings or cubes will go completely through the fuselage and exit on the other side of the plane. This imply’s a hit on the lower right rear section with an exit on the upper left side of the plane.
    On another hand here is what an "explosive decompression" does to a jet:


    Fuselage of Aloha Airlines Flight 243 after the explosive decompression.
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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    The causes of the crash of the Russian Airbus above the Sinai are still unknown. Valentin Vasilescu studies the most frequently mentioned tracks (explosion of an engine or fuel tank, collision with another aircraft, attack of a ground-air or air-to-air missile or a bomb on board). While this article was being translated [from Romanian to French for the time being], we learned that no traces of explosives were found on the debris, which [tend to] confirms the thesis of the bomb could be discarded.

    Original source in French : "On ignore toujours les causes du crash de l’Airbus russe au dessus du Sinaï. Valentin Vasilescu étudie les pistes les plus fréquemment évoquées (explosion d’un moteur ou d’un réservoir de carburant, collision avec un autre avion, attaque d’un missile sol-air ou air-air, ou une bombe à bord). Alors que cet article était en cours de traduction, on apprenait qu’aucune trace d’explosif n’a été trouvée sur les débris, ce qui confirme l’écartement de la thèse de la bombe." http://www.voltairenet.org/article189228.html

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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    It may suit the powers that be to discover that the repair to the rear end of the plane failed in flight.
    Seems to be heading in that direction--no trace of explosion and parts of planes don’t just explode without some warning.
    If some part had, I would have thought some instrumentation would have shown warning---recorded on black box.

    to be clear thats tongue in cheek
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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    we'll find out. you can't hide the signature of the device.

    fun to speculate.

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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    So, no traces of explosive residues but metal fragments extracted out of dead bodies:

    Quote Russian media outlet LifeNews claims that more than 200 fragments of human remains from approximately 150 people have arrived in St Petersburg.

    According to sources, there was a significant difference in the cause of death between passengers at the front and the rear of the aircraft.

    Those at the front suffered 'blunt force trauma of the chest, abdomen and pelvis with multiple fractures of upper and lower limbs with tears to the internal organs. Deaths occurred due to acute blood loss, shock and open head injuries.'

    Those at the rear of aircraft suffered 'explosive trauma with multiple burns over 90 per cent of their soft tissues'.

    Passengers at the back had shrapnel injuries and were peppered with metal particles.

    (according to the DailyMail)
    ... that leaves anti-aircraft missile...
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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    this image that was released at the time of the original video, matches up with the injuries of the passengers...



    it also matches up as to why the tail landed 3 miles before the front of the plane, pilots still alive trying to keep it in control as it plummeted towards the ground.
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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    Not all drills are cover for 'False Flag' events by any means , but a lot of 'False Flag'
    events seem to happen under cover of wargames , exercises or drills , to keep
    them under control and surveillance with in the parameters of the particular event
    or scenario that is being played out......

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    Israel Held ‘Largest Ever’ Air Combat Drill Nearby, On Same Day as Russian Sinai Crash

    November 8, 2015 by 21wire 20 Comments

    21st Century Wire says…



    ‘Last week, 21WIRE raised a number of the questions, including the possibility that Israeli
    intelligence could have been involved in the downing of Russian Metro Airlines Flight 7K9268.

    It’s no revelation that the Egyptian resort destination of Sharm El-Sheikh is also a well-known
    Israeli Mossad ‘intelligence playground’. If indeed Israeli covert operatives were somehow
    involved in this incident, it wouldn’t be the first time that Israel carried out a false flag attack
    in order to manipulate another nation into a wider war. The case of Israel’s attack on the
    USS Liberty is a prime example of this.

    Any one who has studied false flag attacks will know the importance of running a large
    ‘security drill’ or military exercise – in order to provide cover for any military chatter which
    might be picked up by a neutral observer and also to deflect any attention away from a
    nearby clandestine operation.’


    What we discovered next might shock some readers (but will hardly surprise them)…


    2-Israeli-Drill-Russian-Crash-Sinai

    As it turns out - on the very same day as the Russian airline crash in the Sinai Peninsula
    on October 30th, and only 40 miles away from the crash zone, the Israeli Military was
    hosting its largest-ever international Air Defense drill based at Ovda Airfield near Eilat
    and taking place over the Arava desert in the south of Israel.

    According to its organizers, the military exercise included Israeli, American, Greek, and
    Polish air personnel, together “squaring off against a fictional enemy state in two-week drill”.

    The event included all of Israel’s most advanced air and communications capabilities.

    According to the Times of Israel:

    “The “Blue Flag” exercise, which is continuing through November 3, pits the Israeli Air Force,
    the United States Air Force, Greece’s Hellenic Air Force and the Polish Air Force against a
    fictional enemy state, the captain in charge of all IAF exercises told The Times of Israel
    Thursday night. A number of other countries, including Germany, also sent pilots and officers
    to observe the exercise, but did not take part.”

    “This joint drill is the second “Blue Flag” exercise; the first took place in 2013 and was the
    largest multi-lateral exercise the IAF had ever hosted.”

    “Those requests came together to form the plan for “Blue Flag,” which sent Israeli and American
    F-15 squadrons, along with Israeli, Hellenic and Polish F-16 squadrons, flying through nearly all
    of Israel’s air space, firing simulated weapons against fictional enemy missile launchers, convoys
    and aircraft, he said.”

    Is it possible that the plane was shot down by an advanced combat aircraft? It’s very possible –
    and this massive drill would have provided the cover for it.

    Read more …

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/11/0...n-sinai-crash/

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    Early ‘US and UK Intelligence on Sinai Plane Bombing Came From Israel

    By David Icke on 10th November 2015

    ‘In the hours after the downing of a Russian airliners over Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula,
    there was little to no intelligence comment from Western nations. It was only a few
    days later that they started giving credence to the idea that ISIS, who immediately
    claimed credit, was actually responsible.

    It now appears that the intelligence they suddenly had on the bombing wasn’t internally
    gathered, as US diplomatic sources say Israel actually provided the two nations with
    intelligence of their own about the matter. Israel is so far not offering additional details.’

    Read more: Early ‘US and UK Intelligence on Sinai Plane Bombing Came From Israel

    http://news.antiwar.com/2015/11/08/e...e-from-israel/
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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    BUT...

    ... so far, only "exit-wounds" have been caught on camera:











    Aviation sources claim the tail section of the aircraft shows evidence of 'the fuselage skin peeling outwards possibly indicative of a force acting outwards from within' - possibly a bomb - which could be linked to the earliest moments of the aircraft's disaster sequence



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    Default Re: Wreckage found as Russian passenger plane crashes in Sinai: Egypt

    Good photos!

    For whatever it's worth:

    These ARE indicative of an INTERNAL explosion (as-in a bomb) and NOT indicative of an EXTERNAL explosion (as-in a missile):




    However, so-far there is this major lack of evidence to support the theory that it was indeed a planted bomb:
    Traces of explosives were not found on bodies recovered from the crash site of Flight 7K9268
    From that same link above, there is another comment which points to this being an INTERNAL event:
    "Judging by the recording, a situation onboard developed suddenly and unexpectedly for the crew, and as a result the pilots did not manage to send a distress signal," a source said.

    An Egyptian doctor who examined around half of the 224 bodies said that about one in five of the corpses had been badly burned in the moments before death.

    The finding suggests that a fire broke out in the cabin while the plane was still in the air
    , but the doctor was not able to firmly conclude what caused the fire.
    I also want to point out that if it were an event anything similar to what this image represents:



    Remembering that the Cockpit Voice Recorder and the Flight Data Recorder both have battery backups, the CVR would not only have picked up the explosion but should have been able to continue recording for a few seconds more (at least until it's Cockpit Microphone was destroyed), and the FDR should have continued operating long enough to record the systematic but NOT INSTANTANEOUS failure of the systems.
    But this was not the case:
    The investigators said the cockpit voice recorder of Metrojet Flight 9268 shows an explosion and the flight data recorder confirms the explosion is not accidental -- there is no sign of mechanical malfunction during the initial part of the flight
    [...]
    Everything is fine during the first 24 minutes, then in a fraction of a second there is a blackout and no more cockpit conversation
    [...]
    "It's this split second, and it's a millisecond, where you hear an explosion of some description," he said. "And you see all the parameters (on the recorders) go haywire before the power is completely lost. If this report is accurate, (investigators) have now analyzed that ... heard it and they can identify it."
    KCCI.com
    Which all leads me to believe that it was an almost instantaneous and total destruction of the craft.

    Now, without discussing any of the political reasons, I'd like to explain briefly (but hopefully understandably) a little further my reasoning for My Post #101 in which I said:
    Quote It is my opinion that the take-down of this Russian passenger plane was caused by the use of a Directed-Energy/Laser weapon, and possibly a Space-Borne one. My reasoning for this is that the Fuel Cells on a passenger aircraft are contained within the wings, the Flash Point of Jet A fuel is only 38 °C (100 °F) and the Autoignition Temperature of Jet A fuel is only 210 °C (410 °F), and the only residue to be found from such an explosion would be from the components of the fuel.
    (This explanation assumes that most everyone understands what might happen when you apply a source of ignition to a combination of pressurized fuel and pressurized air. )

    1.
    The engines (located on the wings) are provided with pressurized fuel from the fuel tanks (also located within the wings) which is combined with compressed air. (There is also a center fuel tank on this aircraft, but as Mr. Spock would say "That's sauce for the goose". )
    2.
    The Auxiliary Power Unit (APU), located in the tail section of the aircraft, is also provided with fuel from the same tanks which means the fuel lines extend for much of the length of the craft.
    3.
    Emergency Oxygen tanks containing Liquid Oxygen (LOX) are located both in the compartment under the Cockpit (for the Flight Crew) and in the Tail Section (for the Passenger Cabin). These tanks are highly pressurized, making them potential bombs ready to go off and effective shrapnel-producing vessels.
    And when you add to the above the fact that the entire Cabin is fed with fresh air to provide for pressurization and air conditioning, it should not be difficult to understand how an almost instantaneous chain of events can occur resulting in an explosive fireball throughout the aircraft.

    And I came up with all that BEFORE I seen these next two photos:



    The Wing Tanks and Engines - Maybe the most vulnerable part of the aircraft.


    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)

    Aviation sources claim the tail section of the aircraft shows evidence of 'the fuselage skin peeling outwards possibly indicative of a force acting outwards from within' - possibly a bomb - which could be linked to the earliest moments of the aircraft's disaster sequence
    Where the LOX Tanks and APU is located.


    Until I see more photos/evidence which will indicate otherwise, I'm sticking with my analysis.

    Quote Posted by Harley (here)
    Which all makes the following comments made by Carter an important hint:

    Excerpt:
    To confront the threat, the US military industrial complex is heavily investing in cutting-edge warfare technologies “that are most relevant to Russia’s provocations.” Such as? “New unmanned systems, a new long-range bomber… innovation in technologies like the electromagnetic railgun, lasers and new systems for electronic warfare, space and cyberspace, including a few surprising ones I really can’t describe here,” Carter said

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    Quote Posted by Harley (here)
    [...]
    [...]
    Everything is fine during the first 24 minutes, then in a fraction of a second there is a blackout and no more cockpit conversation
    [...]
    "It's this split second, and it's a millisecond, where you hear an explosion of some description," he said. "And you see all the parameters (on the recorders) go haywire before the power is completely lost. If this report is accurate, (investigators) have now analyzed that ... heard it and they can identify it."
    KCCI.com
    [...]

    Quote Posted by Harley (here)
    Which all makes the following comments made by Carter an important hint:

    Excerpt:
    To confront the threat, the US military industrial complex is heavily investing in cutting-edge warfare technologies “that are most relevant to Russia’s provocations.” Such as? “New unmanned systems, a new long-range bomber… innovation in technologies like the electromagnetic railgun, lasers and new systems for electronic warfare, space and cyberspace, including a few surprising ones I really can’t describe here,” Carter said
    Glad we agree since it goes along what I posted here:


    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Yeah... how the hell can it be that anything is possible:

    Italian govt suspects bizarre fires in Sicily caused by 'large amount of EM energy' from 'top secret weapon of unknown power'

    Nick Pisa The Telegraph, UK Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:34 UTC


    SOTT Comment:
    Quote In light of the anomalous nature of what little evidence has thus far emerged concerning what happened to Russian Flight 9268, we're re-running this article about weird fires in northern Sicily in 2007.
    [...]
    Quote "This is not the final report. We are still working on our conclusions and this has been leaked. We are not saying that 'little green men from Mars' started the fires but that unnatural forces capable of creating a large amount of electromagnetic energy were responsible. This is just one possibility we are also looking at. Another one involves the testing of top secret weapons by an unknown power, weapons capable of producing an enormous amount of energy."
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Consistent with an EM spraying of the plane is the incoherence and inconsistent data received by FR24 stations:



    ... the data sent and received shows the sensors went all berserk!
    It may not be that the sensors themselves went berserk, but the electronic data they were sending sure got scrambled!

    ... before going back to "normal" functioning with coherent and consistent data emission and reception at shutdown time.
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    Quote Posted by Harley (here)
    For the content of Harley's comment #115, click-on the forwarding icon.
    So, once again, just as with the World Trade Illusion, our Common Reality is being manipulated with advanced technology, far beyond the imagination of the Masses - go figure!

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    More about those spontaneous combustions in Sicily, in 2004:

    Canneto in Sicily, Italy, targeted by 'electromagnetic energy weapon'

    Joe Quinn
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    Sun, 08 Nov 2015 16:43 UTC

    Back in 2004, the village of Canneto, Italy, was subject to a bizarre 3-week episode of 'electrical fires' breaking out in water pipes, washing machines, cookers and furniture, for no apparent reason. Even when the power was cut to the entire village, the fires continued. USB keys were wiped, compasses went haywire, automatic gates opened and closed by themselves, a car's window was shattered by what the owner described as an "invisible drill bit". UFOs were also seen in the area, according to Italian daily newspaper Corriere della Sera. One 'UFO' followed a helicopter of the civil defence forces, forcing it to land due to a malfunction of the rotor blades. On the ground it was discovered that all 3 blades had been damaged by an unknown object which had "changed the electrical conductivity within the blades".


    An image of the 'UFO' behind an Italian civil defence helicopter



    And the damage to one of the blades


    The bizarre fires also targeted a single species of plant - "Ampelodesmos mauritanicus" - ignoring all other flora. The roots of hundreds of the plants growing in the area around Canneto were carbonized deep into the soil. The possibility of human intervention was ruled out.


    One of the many 'Ampelodesmos mauritanicus' plants that were burned to a crisp by the 'unknown electromagnetic energy' that targeted the village of Canneto in 2004


    In 2007, it was proposed that the phenomena are caused by intermittent electromagnetic emissions, but a confidential file on the events that was delivered to the Civil Defence and the office of the Prime Minister of Italy advanced the hypothesis that "secret military tests" were to blame.

    Obviously, this world is a far stranger place than most people recognize. It also appears to be ruled by individuals with an agenda and the means to achieve that agenda, that most people would find impossible to comprehend, much less accept as factual. The individuals in question are undoubtedly very content with such a state of affairs. By the way, the word 'Mossad', as used here, probably doesn't equate to the overt Israeli government, but rather something much more sinister, if you can wrap your head around that.


    An EMP simulator above one of the US government's 'doomsday' planes.

    ==========================================

    A very telling info given above is that "spontaneous combustions" can be pinpointed to a very specific biological signature as exemplified by the cindered 'Ampelodesmos mauritanicus.'

    Fine tuning of target practice, from shotgun blast to sharp shooting?
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    In the latest ouija board session from Laura Knight-Jadczyk and friends, obtained at November, 7 2015, the "other side" also favorized the energetic weapon hypothesis.

    (A = Answers obtained form the ouija board, which was operated by three people simultanously.)


    Quote (Perceval) What caused the downing of the Russian plane in the Sinai?

    A: External, think Mossad and energy weapons.

    Q: (Andromeda) That was my first guess.

    (Perceval) That was my first guess, as well.

    (Approaching Infinity) Did it have anything to do with the US/Israel wargames happening then?

    A: Cover for same.

    Q: (L) What was that flight that went down over the Atlantic way back when? The C's talked about it.

    (Perceval) TWA Flight 800?

    (L) Yeah, Flight 800.

    A: Yes. Similar system.

    [...]

    Q: (Pierre) During 9/11, there was a similar high-energy weapon in conjunction with an unexpected cyclone...

    A: Yes

    Q: (L) So they're just experimenting with this kind of stuff. They're playing with it.

    A: Yes

    Q: (Pierre) Deadly games.

    (Perceval) So, it was intentional, right?

    A: Yes

    [...]

    (Perceval) Calm down, Approaching Infinity! [laughter] So, when they say "Mossad" as an answer to a lot of these questions, we're not really talking about the overt Israeli government here, right?

    A: No. Kabbalists.

    Q: (Perceval) Does the Russian government have any idea that that's who shot the plane down?

    A: Oh indeed!

    Q: (L) That's why they've taken the path of accepting the ISIS explanation, because that gives them time to...

    (Perceval) They haven't really accepted that yet. They're telling everybody to just calm down until the investigation is over.

    (PoB) Can it be discovered by the investigation?

    A: This kind of weapon does not leave the usual traces. But it does have a "signature".

    Q: (Perceval) There are a couple of strange things. One of them was the 3-year-old girl who was a victim was found 34 kilometers away from the crash site. It was just one girl that was found that far away.

    (Andromeda) So, part of the plane broke apart, like there was a hole... Even if it didn't break apart, she could have...

    (Perceval) Maybe. Or maybe it was high-energy, or a bleedthrough or distortion of spacetime...

    A: Yes

    Q: (L) Spacetime distortion.

    (Niall) Like the Philadelphia Experiment.

    (Perceval) There was another strange thing. The front of the plane right up to the cockpit and the wings was all lying in more or less one piece, but completely burned. The picture from above showed two perfectly black wings attached to the body, but it looked like it was spontaneously combusted or something. This was after it supposedly hit the ground! Very strange. It looked like somebody had set fire to it on the ground.

    A: Effects of the energy.

    Q: (Atreides) Remember during 9/11 how all that stuff was burnt, but only on one half?

    (L) Yeah, in a strange pattern.

    (Atreides) And all the iron was removed, but the aluminum was left intact.

    (Niall) I think I also saw a photo where a whole section of the actual carriage was intact. So, from the ground...

    (L) And, there were pictures of the luggage that was all intact, so it couldn't have been a bomb in the hold.

    (Perceval) It was almost like a case of spontaneous human combustion.

    (L) It was like some things in a certain space were incinerated, but other things were intact...

    (Perceval) Or made of a certain material. And there are no reports of being burned, but a lot of bodies were dismembered.

    (L) Yeah, that's some kind of hellacious weapon, huh?

    A: Indeed. Russia has equivalents.

    [...]

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    Is a space based energy weapon realistic?

    Well... anyone having forgotten this:

    We now have drones equipped with EMP beams — and that could be lethal

    Annalee Newitz
    Filed to: social control10/25/12 8:45pm



    If you're worried about surveillance drones cruising over your neighborhood, then this new technology from Boeing will have you running for your microwave shielded shelter. Last week, defense company Boeing conducted the first successful test of a drone called the Counter-electronics High-powered Advanced Missile Project (CHAMP) that can emit a powerful burst of microwaves and fry every piece of electronics in its path — from personal computers and cameras to high-tech hospital equipment and flight control computers.

    According to Boeing:
    Quote CHAMP approached its first target and fired a burst of High Power Microwaves at a two story building built on the test range. Inside rows of personal computers and electrical systems were turned on to gauge the effects of the powerful radio waves.

    Seconds later the PC monitors went dark and cheers erupted in the conference room. CHAMP had successfully knocked out the computer and electrical systems in the target building. Even the television cameras set up to record the test were knocked off line without collateral damage.

    "This technology marks a new era in modern-day warfare," said Keith Coleman, CHAMP program manager for Boeing Phantom Works. "In the near future, this technology may be used to render an enemy's electronic and data systems useless even before the first troops or aircraft arrive."
    These drones are being touted as non-lethal weapons, aimed at taking out an enemy's "electrical systems," like say targeting systems or maybe their intelligence databases. But to say that this is a non-lethal weapon seems a bit disingenuous, since so many lives depend on electricity. Knocking out the computers in a hospital, or the technology in computer-guided vehicles, could lead to fatalities. And losing databases of information could lead to many more deaths in the long term. Imagine one of these drones taking out a stock exchange or a water management system. Or a computer-controlled dam. The consequences could be quite dire.

    So thanks, Boeing, for bringing us into the era of indirectly lethal weapons. Things are about to get interesting, as they say.
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