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    Default Transgender issues

    Lately I've noticed a great deal of transgender-bashing, both in the media & from people I know personally. I'm wondering why this is. . . it seems such a desperate situation to be in; imagine being born into the wrong body & having to change gender in order to feel "yourself".

    I've been thinking that perhaps it is even an indication of evolutionary development; going beyond gender stereotyping into true Personhood where we are each accepted & loved (or not!) for our true, spiritual being (which is surely gender-free at the highest level) & not as part of the whole male-female dichotomy, with all its attendant ritual & role playing.

    What do you all think?

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    maybe we're all just slowly being feminized from overconsumption of bisphenol a?

    i know someone that has undergone therapy and seems happier with his new life "in-between" genders, as i see it.
    i dont care. his life, his choice. i still find it difficult calling him a her though. when i see him i see him completely and most of my picture of him was as a guy.
    i really dont need that to accept him better, but maybe others do.. or at least him.

    yes, i am not a fan of superficially changing your gender. its like messing up the body you were given, to me. but i tolerate it.

    btw: are there any statistics of how many people were changed to what and how complete the changes are?
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    Default Re: Transgender issues

    I am no sure there is such a thing as being born in the wrong body. I can imagine though that when one has had a pronounced previous life (or many) as females, it's a hard time adjusting as male, but souls often seek the dynamics of hardship to progress before one is born, I believe.

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    I read a very honest memoir a while ago that I just happened to pick off the library shelf (because many memoirs attract my interest) and it enlightened me with empathy for transgender persons. I wasn't all that aware of transgender issues but the media exploded with transgender stories. Besides the Kaitlyn Jenner blitz, I caught some journalistic docs on transgender children that families and medical solutions are grappling with. The television programs I saw featured children of both genders, not just male to female, so this isn't just an issue of feminization.
    My elderly father-in-law made an ignorant comment about the magazine cover with Jenner on it last summer so I had to cringe and hold my tongue. I think some conservative generations who grew up with very defined gender roles will refuse to understand.

    (I think some dangers may exist though for transgender persons to adopt narrow cultural stereotypes that can afflict and limit anybody. Like any healthy individual, one has to learn to know oneself.)


    Anyway, this first person account, written very simply and honestly aimed for young adults (which any adult can appreciate), helped me understand the heart of a child/teen/young adult who felt born to the wrong gender(and was medically found to have female genes/hormones/internal stuff). Katie Rain Hill seemed to have her head on straight.

    Rethinking Normal: A Memoir in Transition by Katie Rain Hill


    Amazon book description:

    "In her unique, generous, and affecting voice, nineteen-year-old Katie Hill shares her personal journey of undergoing gender reassignment.

    Have you ever worried that you’d never be able to live up to your parents’ expectations? Have you ever imagined that life would be better if you were just invisible? Have you ever thought you would do anything—anything—to make the teasing stop? Katie Hill had and it nearly tore her apart.

    Katie never felt comfortable in her own skin. She realized very young that a serious mistake had been made; she was a girl who had been born in the body of a boy. Suffocating under her peers’ bullying and the mounting pressure to be “normal,” Katie tried to take her life at the age of eight years old. After several other failed attempts, she finally understood that “Katie”—the girl trapped within her—was determined to live.

    In this first-person account, Katie reflects on her pain-filled childhood and the events leading up to the life-changing decision to undergo gender reassignment as a teenager. She reveals the unique challenges she faced while unlearning how to be a boy and shares what it was like to navigate the dating world and experience heartbreak for the first time in a body that matched her gender identity. Told in an unwaveringly honest voice, Rethinking Normal is a coming-of-age story about transcending physical appearances and redefining the parameters of “normalcy” to embody one’s true self."



    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/148...6YW3HWK55XCGG2

    (just a note to add: I had to look up the book's title that I'd read, my memory for titles being iffy for seasons past as I read a lot of books. Anyway I found it on this list which might interest others:
    Booklist for Trans Teens
    http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/1...or_Trans_Teens
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    The first description of Kirolak is completly correct. This people are born in the wrong physical body. I know what i am talking about here. My 2nd kid when was born we saw femele body so we thought she was a girl. When she was around 2 year old she told us she wanted all her clothe to be black, then she turn to white, yellow afterwords... then she realized the color was not the problem. She told us she wanted boys underwear and, finally she wanted all boys clothes. She said this to us when she was 4. She was not more she but he. I am involve in Crysallis which is the asociation of familys with transgender kids. The good thing is that this people now can say this things at a very young age. Before they probably said it but society is inmerse in duality. So transgender doesn´t mean the feminization, not in our case. He is a boy. We called him Luz at first and he changed to LUI. We are fighting here for this kids to have a regular childhood. We are taking care of everything, everything that needs to be done it is done.
    I opened a thread long ago about transgender in 5TH Dimension, as i believe this people will be able to reshape their bodies. I also think that my kid is producing "testosterona" (in spanish)... this may be hard to shallow but i talk from my experience.
    There is one thing we can all do to help, not only to this people but to everybody. Stop jugding and you will start seeing people as they are.
    There is a curios case in varios places of the world in which many boys are born as girls and at around 12 years old they develope the masculin genitals. I think in south america, new zeland and one more place that i don´t remember.
    I know the case of two transgender who got married and the man is who is going to get pregnant, ain´t that something?
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    Default Re: Transgender issues

    this was the thread
    Thread: Transexuality in 5D
    Transexuality in 5D
    Hello everyone, my 2º son is Lui he is 9 years old. He was born as a girl but he is a boy. Sometimes he gets so pist off i belive he is producing his own testosterone. Right now he is not taking any treatment at all. His breast is developing also like a boy. He even has some softhair under his nose.
    I know in 5D we all are able to re-shape our bodies or, at is what i believe... if so transexuality in 5D will not exist as anyone will have the body he or she wants.
    As you can imagine, my wife and i are so touch about this that we love to hear your opinions about all this.
    Thanks in advance to all.
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    This was the entry post. and here is the link to the thread
    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...exuality-in-5D

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    Default Re: Transgender issues

    Thanks to all posters for sharing some excellent insights and perspectives.

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    I found a link to one of the documentaries I saw on transgender children, it is a PBS Frontline report: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...wing-up-trans/

    Thanks for sharing your story betoobig ! I imagine that your child is so blessed to be born to you as a parent, a parent who really listens to your child with love and understanding and compassion. I was struck by the doc's profiles of families and how the happiest children have the most understanding families. Bless you!

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    Quote Posted by kirolak (here)
    I've been thinking that perhaps it is even an indication of evolutionary development; going beyond gender stereotyping into true Personhood where we are each accepted & loved (or not!) for our true, spiritual being (which is surely gender-free at the highest level) & not as part of the whole male-female dichotomy, with all its attendant ritual & role playing.

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    Ola, Betoobig, thank you so much for sharing such a personal matter; what a brave & exemplary father, your son is lucky to have been born to you & your wife. (Actually, my daughter is in a distance-relationship with a boy who is a transgender girl, & she has had to endure some very unkind words about him from her local so-called friends.)

    By the way, there is a Buddhist teaching that the last conscious thought we have as we die is the Interlinking Consciousness, which determines where & in what gender one will next take birth. . . often, apparently, one thinks of one's gran amor as one's last (or habitual) thought & of course, most often the Gran Amor is of the opposite gender, so that could influence one's next birth gender - I really don't know, but it is perhaps one theory to be considered.

    Be that as it may, as with all processes, things can go wrong; consider birth itself, for example - a natural physical process but one that is painful to all involved, even to the extent that either the child or the mother can die during the process. So it is perfectly feasible to be born in a wrong body; perhaps also to the wrong parents, in rare cases.

    I believe we all need to experience all polarities, all genders, & that as we evolve, we reach a point where gender, is a secondary consideration; I am convinced this is the way of the Future (along with a vegan lifestyle & doing as little harm as possible in our journey - genderism, nationalism & speciesism can only be limiting & divisive)

    You & your wife have clearly been singled out for a special task, in my opinion - to support this wonderfully aware little Lui through what may prove to be a difficult incarnation, & to be conduits for this higher evolution in action.

    Os saludo carinosamente con besos y abrazos
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    Default Re: Transgender issues

    been to berlin recently. found it quite disturbing seeing kindergartens enforcing transgender policies..

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    to betoobig and other parents of transgender children:
    i am not sure, since i havent watched/read much of it, but maybe the cartoon ranma could show transgender children how to cope with their situation a bit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranma_%C2%BD

    Quote The story revolves around a teenage boy named Ranma Saotome who has trained in martial arts since early childhood. As a result of an accident during a training journey, he is cursed to become a girl when splashed with cold water, while hot water changes him back into a boy. Throughout the series Ranma seeks out a way to rid himself of his curse, while his friends, enemies and many fiancées constantly hinder and interfere.

    Ranma ½ has a comedic formula and a sex-changing main character, who often willfully transforms into a girl to advance his goals. The series also contains many other characters, whose intricate relationships with each other, unusual characteristics, and eccentric personalities drive most of the stories.
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    Well, my kids has had allways his gender very clear, it was us who jugde by the physical body and thught he was a girl. SO i am not too agree with the concept transgender.
    This is beutifull and inspiring documentary, let the kids do the talk:

    Thanks for the support to all. This kids don´t have a problem, they have things very clear, society is the one in trouble.
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    BTW, to see more people trangender just means that now they can come forward and speak up. Back in time this was imposible task.
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    Quote Posted by betoobig (here)
    [...]
    There is a curios case in varios places of the world in which many boys are born as girls and at around 12 years old they develope the masculin genitals. I think in south america, new zeland and one more place that i don´t remember.
    [...]
    Dominican Republic: Growing a penis at 12: the 'Guevedoce' boys of the Dominican Republic
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    im just an average guy acting guy ,most people rarely figure out im gay, living in the country, me and my doggies, I like to do guy things, go camping kayaking that sort of thing, my carpentry and work ethic seem to precede me once I get known in an area, as far as doing better quality work than the majority of others doing the same kind of work, fixing stuff ,plumbing, carpentry I also fix cars /trucks etc I do many things well, I live my life with the utmost integrity, what im getting at is I feel everyone should be more caring/loving and tolerant of everyone, we all make our own decisions and deal with the repercussions simple as that,i enjoy growing tomato's as much as having a martini at cabaret night at a local gay bar ,ok I prolly enjoy cabaret night a little more, why? because its total freedom in an environment I know I wont be judged for what I may do behind my bedroom door, shoudnt it be like that everywhere?

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    Quote Posted by tnkayaker (here)
    I wont be judged for what I may do behind my bedroom door, shoudnt it be like that everywhere?
    duh-yeah... many things should be different. maybe we're there in a century. you wouldnt be able to unwind at a gay bar 50 years ago either.
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    Quote Posted by kirolak (here)
    Lately I've noticed a great deal of transgender-bashing, both in the media & from people I know personally. I'm wondering why this is. . . it seems such a desperate situation to be in; imagine being born into the wrong body & having to change gender in order to feel "yourself".

    I've been thinking that perhaps it is even an indication of evolutionary development; going beyond gender stereotyping into true Personhood where we are each accepted & loved (or not!) for our true, spiritual being (which is surely gender-free at the highest level) & not as part of the whole male-female dichotomy, with all its attendant ritual & role playing.

    What do you all think?


    I am not speaking directly about being a transgender, rather about transgender bashing. I wonder if it comes partially from having political correctness crammed down our throats. At least in the US, where we are supposed to have freedom of speech, we have self censorship via political correctness. When no one can not discuss a certain topic or behavior because it is not politically correct, some people develop resentments. Although, those resentments may be misplaced and might better be directed at the self censorship, many will resent the behavior or life style that they cannot freely discuss. In effect, political correctness is believed to protect minority groups and I believe it is doing the opposite. It is causing resentment in many cases, by stifling conversation about things that we do not understand.

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    i agree. leave political talk to politicians.
    i like to be honest, yet i had to learn to adapt my way of speaking because of people that seem to be fast to judge or because of general misunderstandings.

    if i talk the way i want, people that dont know me, might think im a racist or so, just because i like to call things by their name when speaking my mind.
    yet, it is them that judge me, without really knowing me at all, that cause this.

    so, whats the real issue? people who cant speak their mind openly, or people that are immediately offended?

    context is also important.
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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Quote Posted by betoobig (here)
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    There is a curios case in varios places of the world in which many boys are born as girls and at around 12 years old they develope the masculin genitals. I think in south america, new zeland and one more place that i don´t remember.
    [...]
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    This is really, really interesting. It was fascinating to see how the young man interviewed for the story changed completely at the age of 7 from being a stereotype little girl to a stereotypical boy. Now, with the growth of the penis he is a full fledged male. This has nothing to do with psychological issues, this is happening at the physical level.

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    It is clear and proved that we all are not a body carrying a soul but a soul driving a body. SO the problem is the mismacht with the physical. Never pshycological.
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