Turkey shoots down Russian jet near Syrian border

[giovonni]

Something much bigger than baking a Turkey is happening here ...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Flash (here)
The cat has gotten out of his bag (French saying: le chat est sorti du sac), meaning that the true supplyers of arms and receiver of money are out in the open. The Cabal through its Turkish stooges. From one of the most corrupt government Turkey has ever had.

Mustafa Kemal (surnamed Atatürk, the general who fought, in early 20th century, to make Turkey a secular country, to write a constitution and give the army the duty to protect it, and Kemal, who even changed the arabic alphabet for a european one - arabic not being efficient with the language) must be twisting in his coffin! An islamist state, Turkey? It goes against everything he had fought for.

How come the Turkish army is not doing its job, its true job, its duty written in their constitution, which is to protect their country and to protect their constitution?

Pretty similar to what is happening in USA by the way. Loss of constitutional freedom and batardizing of the real constitution in the name of money, corruption and cabal' benefits.

ISIS to have an office in Istanbul: they have Fallen on their head!! This is definitely the demands of Saudi Arabia, another Sunni country, like Turkey.

Most people in Turkey are hard core secular prone, they will not admit this, to have a religious country, I predict numerous street démonstrations in Istanbul and even Ankara, that will be crush by their actual government.

Hokayem, the US analyst, is right in his analysis, he just does not go far enough. The money is going to Swiss bankers and to the Rotchilds and Rockerfeller and those unknown publically by the back door.

Gosh, Erdogan, the Turkish president, his head of security, and all the crass there must have pocketed so much money with this war that it must be pourring out of the bags and spilling all over. Killing in mass for profit!!! don't we have enough of this?

Where is the pride of the Turkish people?

Posted by Hervé (here)
Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future

18 October 2015

Hakan Fidan

Ankara--- Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization, known by the MİT acronym, has drawn a lot of attention and criticism for his controversial comments about ISIS.

Mr. Hakan Fidan, Turkish President's staunchest ally, condemned Russian military intervention in Syria, accusing Moscow of trying to 'smother' Syria's Islamist revolution and serious breach of United Nations law.

“ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,”

Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey’s firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

Recently as the fierce clashes between Russian army and ISIS terrorists raging across the war-torn Syria, countless number of ISIS injured fighters enter the Turkish territory and are being admitted in the military hospitals namely those in Hatay Province. Over the last few days, the Syrian army with the support of Russian air cover could fend off ISIS forces in strategic provinces of Homs and Hama.

Emile Hokayem, a Washington-based Middle East analyst said that Turkey's Erdoğan and his oil-rich Arab allies have dual agendas in the war on terror and as a matter of fact they are supplying the Islamist militants with weapons and money, thus Russian intervention is considered a devastating setback for their efforts to overthrow Syrian secular President Assad.

Hokayem who was speaking via Skype from Washington, D.C. highlighted the danger of Turkish-backed terrorist groups and added that what is happening in Syria cannot be categorized as a genuine and popular revolution against dictatorship but rather it is a chaos orchestrated by Erdoğan who is dreaming to revive this ancestor's infamous Ottoman Empire.

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Syria's "déjà vu": Allende... Pinochet?

I was doing some research on the isis consolate, turns out it is in Cankaya, Ankara, not in istanbul...

this is in the financial district of Turkey...

not a good spot for a Russian bullseye


Turkey continues to bring tanks to the syrian border...




Russia just bombed a Turkish aid convoy in Syria, 7 killed...

[Rocky_Shorz]

"Russian Air Force Annihilated Militants In Area Where Su-24 Was Shot Down. Erdogan Ordered Turkish Air Force Planes Be Grounded"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sZE-UoigCiM

Information has come from Syrian sources that last night (24.11) the Russian Aerospace Defence Forces struck with massive attacks on the positions of militants (including Turkomans) in the region where the Russian Su-24 was brought down.

The source reported that most likely nothing remains of the militants who shot down the Russian MI-8 .

No detailed information has arrived yet.

Meanwhile, there has appeared information that the Turks are not putting their fighters in the air after the majority of them were lit up by Russian radar (the S-300 and, according to early reports, possibly the S-400). After the statement of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, Turkey is afraid that their planes can be destroyed when approaching the border.

In this regard the Syrians reported that the Russia air-space forces can begin the full-scale destruction of camps in the border territory, and also annihilate the retreating militants and the fuel trucks which are moving towards Turkey.

Erdogan did not receive the hoped-for support from NATO. Erdogan has acknowledged that if the Russian plane even violated the border of Turkey, this was for only for 17 seconds, which means that the Turkish Air Force, on purely physical grounds, could not have reacted to it if the provocation was not prepared in advance. This figure of 17 seconds appears in NATO reports.

Members of NATO have been ambiguously treating Erdogan’s action. At present it is difficult to judge how the situation will develop. While it is obvious that Erdogan is attempting to back off, it is already too late, as Vladimir Putin gave to understand at a meeting with the king of Jordan.

Most likely Turkey did not expect such a severe reaction from Russia. link

notice the dreadlock clouds in the video image, thermo nukes, the gloves have come off

edited to add, that was a photo of Israel thermo nuking Gaza, not a Russian strike

[Hervé]

'17 Seconds': No One’s Buying Turkey’s Version of Su-24 Story

© Sputnik/ Dmitriy Vinogradov 01:53 25.11.2015
(updated 03:34 25.11.2015)

The Turkish government’s official explanation for shooting down a Russian Su-24 bomber was that it had violated Turkish airspace. But Ankara’s timeline of the events is already raising questions.

In the wake of the downing of a Russian bomber along the Turkey-Syria border on Tuesday, many were demanding answers. In a letter to the United Nations Security Council, the Turkish ambassador gave his government’s view of the incident.


© YouTube/RT Russian Defense Ministry Video Proves Su-24 Never Entered Turkish Airspace

"This morning (24 November) 2 SU-24 planes, the nationality of which are unknown have approached Turkish national airspace in Yayladagi/Hatay region. The planes in question have been warned 10 times during a period of 5 minutes via 'Emergency' channel and asked to change their headings south immediately,"

the letter, obtained by Wikileaks, reads.

"Disregarding these warnings, both planes, at an altitude of 19,000 feet, violated Turkish national airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds from 9.24.05 local time."

But many social media users have begun crunching those numbers and found that they don’t quite add up.

WikiLeaks Verified account ‏@wikileaks

Journalists: Learn to do basic maths. Look at Turkey's statement to UN: 1.15 miles / 17 seconds x 60 x 60 = 243 miles/hour = 391 km/hour

When calculating the distance flown and the amount of time allegedly spent in Turkish airspace, some have attempted to determine the aircraft’s flight speed. According to those numbers, the Su-24 would have had to be flying at stall speed.

Earlier on Tuesday, the Russian Ministry of Defense also released video proving that the incident did not happen the way the Turkish government claims. Flight path data of the Su-24 shows that it never entered Turkish airspace, and was attacked while flying over Syria.

Christopher Justice ‏@CopenhagenCrit

@wikileaks Really? In 17 seconds they did decide and shoot while ON TR? Only a kindergarten kid could buy this nonsense.

The bomber was shot down by two Turkish F-16s Tuesday morning. One of the pilots has been confirmed dead by Russian authorities, shot by rebel ground units after ejecting.

Russian President Vladimir Putin described the incident as a "stab in the back, carried out against us by accomplices of terrorists."

[Rocky_Shorz]

December 1st, China becomes President of the G20

just spoke with an insider, the disinfo part of all of Sorcha's reports is directing attention to CIA instead of Mossad...

read it again with Israel's Mossad in place of CIA


20 UN resolutions today, 17 against Israel

[sigma6]

Posted by Tangri (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
I

bloody hell where are the high level assassins?... I want to see world leaders shot... not the millions of tax payers that support their parasitical opulent lifestyles...

You made me laugh.

Do you have any high level assassins in your pocket? Well, I do not have any and even not intend to have one, soon. Probably not any common folks.

Then Ask this "who has high level assassins in their expense?" Then ask again "why they will shot their own feet"

Not quite getting you, your grammar kind of fell apart at the end there... You don't think there are any "high level assassins" in the world? i.e. people who get paid to target and kill high profile political leaders? ... I am sure they exist, both within and outside of the government, the only issue is how much willingness there is to commit those forces...? since at some level, like the JFK assassination, it will be very clear who did what... and why... so everyone will have to live with it... there has to be a justification, a huge payoff...

[Hervé]

Russia ready to consider steps to close Turkish-Syrian border — Lavrov

November 25, 16:34 UTC+3

Many say that, by closing this border, we will effectively curb the terrorist threat in Syria, Russian Foreign Minister said

Turkish soldiers near Turkish-Syria border © EPA/STR

MOSCOW, November 25. /TASS/. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has described as correct the offer of French President Francois Hollande to take steps to close the Syrian-Turkish border. He said as much while talking to reporters on Wednesday.

"Going back to the news conference of Presidents of France and the United States Francois Hollande and Barack Obama in Washington, I noticed that the French president suggested taking steps to close the Turkish-Syrian border to stop both the flow of militants and terrorist financing," the Russian minister said. "It is significant that President Obama did not respond to this in any way, but I think it’s the right suggestion."

"I hope that President Hollande will brief us on the issue tomorrow (during the meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin)," the Russian foreign minister said. "We would be ready to seriously consider the steps necessary for this."

"Many say that, by closing this border, we will effectively curb the terrorist threat in Syria," Lavrov added.

Related:
Russia planning no war with Turkey — FM
Russia to move S-400 air defense system to Syria — defense minister
Syrian top diplomat to discuss fight against IS, political process during visit to Moscow
Russian forces make airstrikes on 472 terrorist facilities in Syria over past 2 days

[Tangri]

Posted by Sungazerer (here)
This is the elite in panic mode. Eventually a mistake will be made and not even their stranglehold on the MSM will prevent exposure.

As my experience shows "when the Elite is in panic mood, innocent bystanders( common folks) die in big numbers.

Everybody(who read between timelines) knew that after Iraq , Libya , Syria ,Turkey's turn is coming up. This is part of depopulation, re engineering geopolitical demography plan.

[Tangri]

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by Tangri (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
I

bloody hell where are the high level assassins?... I want to see world leaders shot... not the millions of tax payers that support their parasitical opulent lifestyles...

You made me laugh.

Do you have any high level assassins in your pocket? Well, I do not have any and even not intend to have one, soon. Probably not any common folks.

Then Ask this "who has high level assassins in their expense?" Then ask again "why they will shot their own feet"

Not quite getting you, your grammar kind of fell apart at the end there... You don't think there are any "high level assassins" in the world? i.e. people who get paid to target and kill high profile political leaders? ... I am sure they exist, both within and outside of the government, the only issue is how much willingness there is to commit those forces...? since at some level, like the JFK assassination, it will be very clear who did what... and why... so everyone will have to live with it... there has to be a justification, a huge payoff...

I understand your optimism for ex- military folks but in reality those kind of action does not match with common folks practice. We do not hire an assassin to kill another living being, this is maybe clone's,/ hybrit's job.

PS: Force yourself to understand the message not words.

[Hervé]

Posted by Hervé (here)
[...]
As well as denying Ankara’s assertions that the plane was in Turkey’s airspace, Murakhtin also refuted Turkish officials’ claim that the pilots were warned repeatedly.

“In actual fact there were no warnings at all. Neither through the radio, nor visually, so we did not at any point adjust our course. You need to understand the difference in speed between a tactical bomber like Su-24, and that of the F16. If they wanted to warn us, they could have sat on our wing,” said Murakhtin, who is currently recuperating at Russia’s airbase in Latakia, in northern Syria.
[... ]

Some credible corroboration from a PPRuNe contributor:

24th Nov 2015, 11:04 #29 (permalink)

The downed fighter jet was warned 10 times in 5 minutes according to a statement released by the Turkish Armed Forces
In what language?

One presumes in English, as that is likely to be the only common language. But in my experience the Turkish military English is as bad as Russian military English. In which case, there is ample room for confusion, especially when a military pilot is very busy planning an active sortie.

Transmitting a warning is not the same thing as that warning being received and ignored, no matter what the language in use. I've got 153 combat missions under my belt and there were plenty of times my side was unsuccessful when trying to communicate with me while on a mission.

I've also made a number of non-combat intercepts of Russian bombers and not once were they able to make contact with me (and vice versa), although they were able to hold up the latest issue of Playboy magazine for my viewing pleasure.

The press may assume the Turkish warning was received and ignored, but we pilots, especially those with combat experience, should be more prudent and not jump to conclusions.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by giovonni (here)
Something much bigger than baking a Turkey is happening here ...

I found the culprit!




I didn't read this whole thread, but from what I have gleaned from the media the jet and pilots landed in Syria. Therefore they were either shot down in Syrian air space, or flying out of Turkey toward Syria and where shot down at or over the border as they were recognizing the violation and leaving. It can't really be any other way.

I am hearing these claims in mainstream media (Russian plane in Turkey's airspace shot down, pilots eject and land in Syria) and not one single writer / reporter notices this blatant flaw with the story? I just read it all again in the paper today (yeah I'm getting old). Can't anyone do any critical thinking anymore? Where are the journalists and editorial writers that are supposed to dissect these claims?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by Tangri (here)

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Posted by Bubu (here)
I

bloody hell where are the high level assassins?... I want to see world leaders shot... not the millions of tax payers that support their parasitical opulent lifestyles...

You made me laugh.

Do you have any high level assassins in your pocket? Well, I do not have any and even not intend to have one, soon. Probably not any common folks.

Then Ask this "who has high level assassins in their expense?" Then ask again "why they will shot their own feet"

Not quite getting you, your grammar kind of fell apart at the end there... You don't think there are any "high level assassins" in the world? i.e. people who get paid to target and kill high profile political leaders? ... I am sure they exist, both within and outside of the government, the only issue is how much willingness there is to commit those forces...? since at some level, like the JFK assassination, it will be very clear who did what... and why... so everyone will have to live with it... there has to be a justification, a huge payoff...

LOL...

let me help you translate that one, he commenting on World leaders vs us common folk...

he not like like paid stooges we all call government will never have assassins to quiet who matters...

[SilentFeathers]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=duaOpQDrFuc

[Carmody]

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
Russia Published flight map, this plane had just finished destroying Turkey's oil tankers...



Erdogan's Son owns the maritime transport company hauling oil to Japan

these are his trucks...



Erdogan is just trying to protect the family business...

and this corrupt sheep humper is asking NATO to step in and help?

this isn't about protecting Turkish interest, Erdogans are stealing oil from Iraq and Syria for personal gain...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sd5ZLJWQmss

[Flash]

Yes Carmody, I am sure that you are right, 100% sure. They make an incredible bundle with the war in Syria, this is a gift Fallen from the sky for them, supported by ISIS, Israel en USA in some ways.

One has to know the history of the relationships between Turkey and Saoudi Arabia on one hand (both Sunni Muslim countries) and mostly Turkey and Israel on the other hand - always had lots of commerce in between both countries.

One also had to know how incredibly corrupt are the companies and usual economy in Turkey (80% below the table) and how much more corrupt still are the politicians. Erdogan and Erdogan family nearing the most corrupt ever most Turkey has known, most probably.

Killing hundred of thousands of people (Syrians in this case) for greed and profit, this is what Erdogan is about, with the complicity of USA through ISIL support and the direct support of Israel and Saoudi Arabia, most probably.

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
Russia Published flight map, this plane had just finished destroying Turkey's oil tankers...



Erdogan's Son owns the maritime transport company hauling oil to Japan

these are his trucks...



Erdogan is just trying to protect the family business...

and this corrupt sheep humper is asking NATO to step in and help?

this isn't about protecting Turkish interest, Erdogans are stealing oil from Iraq and Syria for personal gain...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sd5ZLJWQmss

[Flash]

Turkey is sooooooo corrupt Tangri that the politicians will do nothing to save it. It needs another Mustafa Kemal. And you know it better than I do, which in turn is better than most NOrth American do.

Same with most Middle Eastern countries, in fact, Syria may have been one of the least corrupt prior to the war.

Turkey was not in the plan we have heard of from this general on a video around 2000 I think. Turkey was perceived as an ally to the US. So it may be left alone by USA and Israel if it does not do completely stupid stuff, like killing Russians to protect the Turkish President businesses with ISIL in Syria.

I am absolutely sure nobody in Turkey (I mean regular folks) wants Russia to bombard them from Russian bases in Crimea for example. Istanbul being steps away.

Erdogan is a stupid psychopath filled with greed disguised under a religious cape. I know those guys.

Posted by Tangri (here)

Posted by Sungazerer (here)
This is the elite in panic mode. Eventually a mistake will be made and not even their stranglehold on the MSM will prevent exposure.

As my experience shows "when the Elite is in panic mood, innocent bystanders( common folks) die in big numbers.

Everybody(who read between timelines) knew that after Iraq , Libya , Syria ,Turkey's turn is coming up. This is part of depopulation, re engineering geopolitical demography plan.

[Tesseract]

Just so people know, the photos of those burning tankers were taken in Pakistan. They were NATO supply trucks attacked by the Taliban. I know it doesn't affect the message of the posts, but I wouldn't want someone to actually think those photos were taken in Syria.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-2...kistan/2851142

[Tangri]

Posted by Flash (here)
Turkey is sooooooo corrupt Tangri that the politicians will do nothing to save it. It needs another Mustafa Kemal. And you know it better than I do, which in turn is better than most NOrth American do.

Same with most Middle Eastern countries, in fact, Syria may have been one of the least corrupt prior to the war.

Turkey was not in the plan we have heard of from this general on a video around 2000 I think. Turkey was perceived as an ally to the US. So it may be left alone by USA and Israel if it does not do completely stupid stuff, like killing Russians to protect the Turkish President businesses with ISIL in Syria.

I am absolutely sure nobody in Turkey (I mean regular folks) wants Russia to bombard them from Russian bases in Crimea for example. Istanbul being steps away.

Erdogan is a stupid psychopath filled with greed disguised under a religious cape. I know those guys.

Posted by Tangri (here)

Posted by Sungazerer (here)
This is the elite in panic mode. Eventually a mistake will be made and not even their stranglehold on the MSM will prevent exposure.

As my experience shows "when the Elite is in panic mood, innocent bystanders( common folks) die in big numbers.

Everybody(who read between timelines) knew that after Iraq , Libya , Syria ,Turkey's turn is coming up. This is part of depopulation, re engineering geopolitical demography plan.

Turkey's president Erdogan and his family made billions dollar while Iran couldn't use USA $, they traded with gold and all gold passed Turkey without paying any taxes.

Oil is not an issue., media use it because mass only can understand,/ accept the motivation. Without USA's succession,/ intimation Turkey can not attack a Russian army, this is not logical from any angle. Some big game is playing there and it is not good for regular folks (humans).

[Flash]

Thanks for the information about Erdogan. I knew he was bad, but I did not know how much. Still, he wants to make more billions, endless greed.

As for the USA backing Turkey for a call on shooting down Russian planes, of course, Turkey would not have done it otherwise.

I do not think Russia is better though. They are just playing the softer game for the moment. But their history is appalling, so they cannot be trusted either. And yes, Putin is ex KGB, we have to remember.

Posted by Tangri (here)

Posted by Flash (here)
Turkey is sooooooo corrupt Tangri that the politicians will do nothing to save it. It needs another Mustafa Kemal. And you know it better than I do, which in turn is better than most NOrth American do.

Same with most Middle Eastern countries, in fact, Syria may have been one of the least corrupt prior to the war.

Turkey was not in the plan we have heard of from this general on a video around 2000 I think. Turkey was perceived as an ally to the US. So it may be left alone by USA and Israel if it does not do completely stupid stuff, like killing Russians to protect the Turkish President businesses with ISIL in Syria.

I am absolutely sure nobody in Turkey (I mean regular folks) wants Russia to bombard them from Russian bases in Crimea for example. Istanbul being steps away.

Erdogan is a stupid psychopath filled with greed disguised under a religious cape. I know those guys.

Posted by Tangri (here)

Posted by Sungazerer (here)
This is the elite in panic mode. Eventually a mistake will be made and not even their stranglehold on the MSM will prevent exposure.

As my experience shows "when the Elite is in panic mood, innocent bystanders( common folks) die in big numbers.

Everybody(who read between timelines) knew that after Iraq , Libya , Syria ,Turkey's turn is coming up. This is part of depopulation, re engineering geopolitical demography plan.

Turkey's president Erdogan and his family made billions dollar while Iran couldn't use USA $, they traded with gold and all gold passed Turkey without paying any taxes.

Oil is not an issue., media use it because mass only can understand,/ accept the motivation. Without USA's succession,/ intimation Turkey can not attack a Russian army, this is not logical from any angle. Some big game is playing there and it is not good for regular folks (humans).

[Bubu]

Posted by Tangri (here)
I understand your optimism for ex- military folks but in reality those kind of action does not match with common folks practice. We do not hire an assassin to kill another living being, this is maybe clone's,/ hybrit's job.

What? you seem to be fund of expeculating, even here in the Philippines its a common knowledge gun for hire exist. I even knew some of them.