Closing the Avalon accounts of two long standing members

[Sierra]

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)
The backpack that this man carries seems very uncomfortable, not a good quality brand, can we discuss that?

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...uy_357623c.jpg

Limor, you are too funny.

Oh, thanks Ulli, than I may have missed the goal

Oh my... That has got to be Castro Street in San Francisco...

As in the Emperor has no clothes, Limor?

We're all walking around with no clothes on this issue. Might as well call Avalon a nudist camp.

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Sierra: : As in the Emperor has no clothes, Limor?

Not at all, Sierra, This is not an interpretation I would even think about

Jonsnow commented just two posts above mine that this thread topic is a privet matter, Paul's answer that Marianne quoted was refering to the announcement by the mod team that the 'relevent details' that you publically aired outside were actually not about Bill's private affairs at all, but rather about an alert to the counselling work offered by Christine and Karelia

I guess what I meant by the picture is that when 'privet affairs' are outside, people will no doubt look at them..

There were quite a few people who were sadly affected by this thread, including you, and I do not intened to laugh on anyone's behalf

Some things, I believe, are better stay concealed..

[regnak]

As I might have mentioned already, this matter, the one that deserves public discussion, is not really about Bill's private affairs, but rather about Avalon withdrawing its implicit endorsement of whatever counseling work with systemically abused clients in which Christine and karelia might be engaging

well .....


I would one day to be a great healer I have bought the books and the dvd's yet I do not consider myself a healer because I do have the knowledge but not the practical experience maybe one day

[greybeard]

If this is heading in the direction I think it may, could it not be undressed --I mean addressed in the privates member section.
Smiling only slightly.

Chris

[heyokah]

Posted by Marianne (here)
Jonsnow, Paul explained it here: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1025556

Posted by Paul
As I might have mentioned already, this matter, the one that deserves public discussion, is not really about Bill's private affairs, but rather about Avalon withdrawing its implicit endorsement of whatever counseling work with systemically abused clients in which Christine and karelia might be engaging.

If that is true, why then was the gold mentioned? Bill didn't want it, but didn't do anything to prevent it.

Bill told us he married Christine some years ago and that she was his wife. He also said that there is no devorce. Both aren't living happily together on the estate though.

For some reason Christine decided to leave Bill and even Ecuador. I think she must have had a serious reason to do so. Maybe serious enough to take Bill's golden coins out of the safe to stay alive, as there wasn't perhaps enough cash in the house.
I wonder if one could actually "steal" from ones own spouse, legally.

If we were not allowed to get any answers to those questions, the gold should not have been mentioned at all.
Or there must have been another, darker reason for mentioning it..... In that case the forum was being used for that reason.

All this should have been kept private.

There is a Pay Pal account now that is as safe as possible, as Bill said, so no sharing with Christine as in legal marriage? We will never know.

[greybeard]

Posted by jonsnow (here)

As I might have mentioned already, this matter, the one that deserves public discussion, is not really about Bill's private affairs, but rather about Avalon withdrawing its implicit endorsement of whatever counseling work with systemically abused clients in which Christine and karelia might be engaging

well .....


I would one day to be a great healer I have bought the books and the dvd's yet I do not consider myself a healer because I do have the knowledge but not the practical experience maybe one day

Hi Jon
There is a difference Jon between being a "healer" and counselling.
Up to a degree you can train to be a healer--I was trained in Bio-energy by Michael D Alton of Dublin.
But there is also a gift.
Counselling is quite different and can take years of training in the workings of the mind--there can be specialist training for specific "disorders"

May be some day you say and why not!!! If your heart is for this it will happen.

Best wishes
Chris

[Valley]

Who profits from making this 'whole shebang' public?... Anyone?

[transiten]

Posted by transiten (here)
Which are the arguments for not discussing the embezzlement of Avalonians donations to the forum? In what way are they "private matters"? I have not made any donations myself but this I fail to understand. Excuse me if this is discussed somewhere, i have tried to read almost every post so far.

I faintly remember someone saying something like since Bill and Christine were married and since C maybe didn't have any resources to fall back on the donations somehow were part of her salary from having done the healingwork?
English not being my native language I might have misunerstood things here.

Ok repeating myself again after heyokas post: In what way is the "embezzlement" of Avalon members donations private"?

[araucaria]

Posted by transiten (here)

Posted by transiten (here)
Which are the arguments for not discussing the embezzlement of Avalonians donations to the forum? In what way are they "private matters"? I have not made any donations myself but this I fail to understand. Excuse me if this is discussed somewhere, i have tried to read almost every post so far.

I faintly remember someone saying something like since Bill and Christine were married and since C maybe didn't have any resources to fall back on the donations somehow were part of her salary from having done the healingwork?
English not being my native language I might have misunerstood things here.

Ok repeating myself again after heyokas post: In what way is the "embezzlement" of Avalon members donations private"?

Transiten, there are two things repeatedly getting confused on this thread. One is the privacy/publicity issue. There is an intermediate term whereby a members-only thread allows us to deal semi-privately/semi-publicly with members-only business. The topic you mention probably falls into this category: it concerns all members, but is none of the casual visiting outsider’s business.
The other confusion is with regard to on-topic/off-topic material. This thread being exclusively about healing issues in relation to milabs and others, any other discussion, including the above one, is quite simply off-topic in the context of this thread and could legitimately and harmlessly be shunted off elsewhere. That was my suggestion, to take it to another members-only split thread.

That is still my suggestion, although it won’t solve this other problem of going round in circles. That will apparently only be solved by closing that thread. If no one has anything new to say, closing a thread should not be controversial.

[Hervé]

Posted by Valley (here)
Who profits from making this 'whole shebang' public?... Anyone?

Milabs and similar systemic abuse survivors in being warned that Project Avalon does not endorse "whatever counseling work with systemically abused clients any of its (former) members might be engaging.” [(here)]

Savvy?

[Limor Wolf]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Valley (here)
Who profits from making this 'whole shebang' public?... Anyone?

Milabs and similar systemic abuse survivors in being warned that Project Avalon does not endorse "whatever counseling work with systemically abused clients any of its (former) members might be engaging.” [(here)]

Savvy?

The intention is not equal to the outcome, as sufficiant forecasts would have easily predict

[heyokah]

Posted by araucaria (here)
(..snip)
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The other confusion is with regard to on-topic/off-topic material. This thread being exclusively about healing issues in relation to milabs and others, any other discussion, including the above one, is quite simply off-topic in the context of this thread and could legitimately and harmlessly be shunted off elsewhere. That was my suggestion, to take it to another members-only split thread.

Dear araucaria, you really should read Paul's opening post again.

What is really bothering me is the fact that eventuality Bill agreed this private information to be thrown on a public thread. Even on a private thread it's at least a proof f bad taste.....

[araucaria]

Heyokah my friend, in your selective snipping you removed a paragraph that was notably meant for you:

That is still my suggestion, although it won’t solve this other problem of going round in circles. That will apparently only be solved by closing that thread. If no one has anything new to say, closing a thread should not be controversial.

Going round in circles is precisely what you do by harking back to the OP when Paul in post #96, quoted by Marianne, myself and others, refocuses the discussion on the core topic, which is as I described. And you add yet another post, #312, to this long thread merely to state that something strikes you as being in poor taste. Give me strength.

I’ve said my piece and won’t be posting again.

[Valley]

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Valley (here)
Who profits from making this 'whole shebang' public?... Anyone?

Milabs and similar systemic abuse survivors in being warned that Project Avalon does not endorse "whatever counseling work with systemically abused clients any of its (former) members might be engaging.” [(here)]

Savvy?

Anyone else?

[heyokah]

Araucaria my friend, thank you for showing me, through the tone of your reply, that you've fully understood what I was trying to point out here.

Circular thinking or no circular thinking, the damage has been done. Trying to hide that by clever rhetoric, will only add to the damage.

I’ve said my piece and won’t be posting again......[ADD] but that's of course what you and the 'Team' want :..... Hide the dark game that is being played here.....

[Valley]

The choices we take
And the movements we make
Create a 'wake'
As the foundations shake

[Valley]

It seems to me that more folks have been hurt than helped by this course of action. May we all find the healing of our hurt hearts, which causes and cascades into fabricated faults and darkened days. Let our lovelight shine through these 'clouded-up' views.

Posted by Hervé (here)

Posted by Valley (here)
Who profits from making this 'whole shebang' public?... Anyone?

Milabs and similar systemic abuse survivors in being warned that Project Avalon does not endorse "whatever counseling work with systemically abused clients any of its (former) members might be engaging.” [(here)]

Savvy?

[promezeus]

Posted by Valley (here)
It seems to me that more folks have been hurt than helped by this course of action.

I totally disagree. The course of action is always imperfect, but I think their hearts were in the right place. And their hearts are what really matters...cause that's what determines the courses of action now and always. It's the heart that holds the space for us.

[Valley]

Excellent analysis... But it is 'our hearts', or the 'One Heart' that "really matters" here, in my view. It's not always necessary to play the 'you', 'me', 'he', or 'she' perspectives... I like to see it from the 'We' perspective. The 'Heart' is something that is a common bond between/within us all... It is something Universal and we are all expressing/reflecting this through our unique selves. The isolationism of the Heart is what creates 'turbulence' like this and the conflicts in the world... And the 'unified resonance' of hearts is what creates real healing within us, and the ONLY thing which can heal the worldwide 'turbulence' we see... (as I see it).

Posted by promezeus (here)

Posted by Valley (here)
It seems to me that more folks have been hurt than helped by this course of action.

I totally disagree. The course of action is always imperfect, but I think their hearts were in the right place. And their hearts are what really matters...cause that's what determines the courses of action now and always. It's the heart that holds the space for us.

[promezeus]

Posted by Valley (here)
Excellent analysis... But it is 'our hearts', or the 'One Heart' that "really matters" here, in my view. It's not always necessary to play the 'you', 'me', 'he', or 'she' perspectives... I like to see it from the 'We' perspective. The 'Heart' is something that is a common bond between/within us all... It is something Universal and we are all expressing/reflecting this through our unique selves. The isolationism of the Heart is what creates 'turbulence' like this and the conflicts in the world... And the 'unified resonance' of hearts is what creates real healing within us, and the ONLY thing which can heal the worldwide 'turbulence' we see... (as I see it).

If our body's immune system didn't distinguish between friendly and foreign resonances , we would soon be dead.

If PA doesn't distinguish between those in resonance with its big heart, and those out of resonance, then PA would soon be dead for its envisioned purpose.

A limited amount out-of-resonance is normal, healthy, and necessary for hearts and immune systems.

A healthy future for the vast majority of us depends on enough people re-cognizing their own resonance as different from that of the current planetary rulers, i.e. the planetary immune system must recognize the people currently in power and their 'fruits' as a foreign body, a virus or cancer.