Closing the Avalon accounts of two long standing members

[regnak]

what I find strange is that Paul not Bill Ryan kicks them out if Avalon was my form I would make the call especially as she is Bill Ryan ex

nor are they qualified to declare themselves "healers"

Did they not run a private healing group on Avalon which was a closed group

It has also been our profound hope that Christine would make right her deliberate misdeeds, which include the embezzlement of Avalon Members Donations, and the outright theft of Bill's gold (the remnants of his inheritance).

If great misdeeds were done why were not the police called strange case

[Camilo]

As hard as it is, the truth needs to come out so we know where do we stand. It's sad and hard to process. Thanks Paul for posting it. My hearth goes out to you Bill.

[Finefeather]

All I would like to know is:
Why is this a thread in the public domain?
Are the Avalon moderators a court of law that can find a person guilty of theft and then subject them to a public sentence?
Why is Christine's side not been made available... in her own words?
Have each of the moderators actually had a personal session with Christine or is this just an acceptance of some written down information or other communication?

Whilst I know nothing about the truth of the matter I find this thread in bad taste and lacking understanding of things that get spoken about on this very forum... like karma... sowing and reaping... love and understanding of peoples faults.

This also reminds me so much of the very thing that happens in the dark world where you can be removed if you do not side by the self declared, all knowing leader... and please him/her.

There is an old esoteric truth which says that everything that happens to someone... as an individual... or as a group... is a result of that person's or that group's own doing... however... it takes a lot for people to see this when most are unable to see their long series of lives over many incarnations... and what each of us might be reaping bad karma for in a current life.

So just in conclusion I was hoping that at very least this thread could be private to members only, because we all do not really even know if Christine is guilty or not!

Ray

In fact what has been done now is that the moderators have just turned Christine into a criminal... wow such power!

And because Bill Ryan owns this forum... he is the one with the final words... not so wise after all?

[Gardener]

O! I wouldn't have put this in 'general discussion' forum, seriously, what does it achieve, Paul? Something awful happened in Bill and Christine's relationship, very painful. Is it an act of compassion and wisdom to publicly do this.

Whilst I am struggling as Grip is to process this, I am reminded of a pattern which seems to keep recurring.

very sorry to both of you.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hello, Everyone —

Maybe I can answer one or two of the questions here myself. All the questions are understandable, and of course they're fully expected and welcome.

Posted by jonsnow (here)
what I find strange is that Paul not Bill Ryan kicks them out if Avalon was my forum I would make the call especially as she is Bill Ryan’s ex

It was for exactly for that above reason that I stepped back to take no part in the decision — or even be part of any decision to begin discussing any possible actions to take.

It was the entirely the unanimous decision of the other moderators, with zero input from myself about any aspect of this. That's exactly how it should properly have been.

That decision having been taken, though, I have to say the mods have handled this impeccably. No-one else on any forum would ever have taken the tremendous care they did to check and double-check that every word was appropriate and rightly composed. There were maybe 20 (or 30!) drafts and re-drafts of the announcement, all made very patiently over a 6 week period, the final one of which was e-mailed to others outside of the forum for their input and agreement.

Every factual statement made was true, correct and accurate. There's extensive documentation that would stand up in any court... of all kinds of things: it was all a compound problem that extended, and magnified itself, over a period of almost a year. The entire thing, one could say, was a diabolical mess. And I say that advisedly.

Posted by jonsnow (here)
If great misdeeds were done why were not the police called

No legal actions would be simple (as Christine well knows), as she’s no longer in Ecuador. Basically, she left the country with what she took, the day after she 'confessed' (her exact words) to me personally. She was careful not to tell me she was leaving the country the next day, or I’d have had her stopped at the airport by the police.

She knew that full well, which is why I only discovered she'd left the country three months later. (As an aside, she also left the country with $2,000 worth — replacement value — of my camera and audio equipment, though that was later returned to me intact.)

Although I asked her extremely pleasantly, via my lawyer (a very decent and intelligent women we both knew), for a formal notarized statement of what had happened, for the record, she declined to provide that and is now no longer responding to my lawyer's communications.

There's much, much, much more to all this, as some readers know. Some of it must remain confidential because others outside the forum are directly or indirectly affected or involved — but that's also why Paul posted the statement publicly.

All in all, it's really quite a serious business, and has been taken very seriously by the team here. We should be pretty proud of them... really. I've never known a team who are more committed to everything being done really, really well, and with full integrity, accuracy, and propriety.

If anyone reading this finds themselves unable to agree, they may be being inadvertently swayed by information from other sources that's untrue or misleading — either accidentally or otherwise.

Do be careful about what you hear about all this, and who/where it’s coming from. Everything Paul stated earlier, and which I’m adding to here, is correct. I’d be pretty dumb to state publicly on record anything that could be shown to be untrue.

Posted by jonsnow (here)
Did they not run a private healing group on Avalon which was a closed group

Yes... it was actually an ongoing Skype group chat that had been running since August 2014. Kristin (the moderator) and I were both expelled from that, without any warning or explanation, on 17 December (2014). Kristin was at that time Christine’s closest friend, and I think it’s all right for me to say here on her behalf that she was really very shocked.

That was one of the earlier signs (but not the earliest) of marked changes that were taking place (or which had already taken place) — showing something that was badly wrong. That healers group was closed a few weeks later, and soon after was rebooted with largely new members, Christine and Claudia both excluded at the time by the others participating.

[Heartsong]

Sadness and disappointment all around. Mistakes and missteps, illusions and delusions, none of us are exempt. Some of us can forgive. Some of us can forget. All of us are subject to this thing called life.

[Limor Wolf]

Personal relationships of high-profile people with tremendous capabilities and ability to support other people via their beingness and aqcuired experience will always be attacked, in many various (unfortunately creative) ways. This is currently the story of our planet and many times the story of those who are doing heads on the good deed. It does not necessarily need to be this way. Observence of repeated dyanmics and self check can reveal a pattern that others will be more than willing to hook on, even if done with the best of intentions. It's not so easy living here, for many, and for those who keep the spark alive, each doing what they think is best. May love and compassion lead the way

Stories often have more than two sides, sometimes even three and four. Equal, in a way to the amount of participants and various dimensions invloved in our planet's life. Such is the human story from the collective to the personal, it also has dimensions of it's own, some can be partially or none seen

Sending love and healing for all who are involved who may feel hurt ~

Blessings

Limor

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)
Personal relationships of high-profile people with tremendous capabilities and ability to support other people via their beingness and aqcuired experience will always be attacked, in many various (unfortunately creative) ways. This is currently the story of our planet and many times the story of those who are doing heads on the good deed. It does not necessarily need to be this way. Observence of repeated dyanmics and self check can reveal a pattern that others will be more than willing to hook on, even if done with the best of intentions. It's not so easy living here, for many, and for those who keep the spark alive, each doing what they think is best. May love and compassion lead the way

Stories often have more than two sides, sometimes even three and four. Equal, in a way to the amount of participants and various dimensions invloved in our planet's life. Such is the human story from the collective to the personal, it also has dimensions of it's own, partially or none seen

Sending love and healing for all who are involved who may feel hurt ~

Blessings

Limor

Yes and brilliantly expressed! Thank you, thank you, Limor! for saying what I was thinking, feeling, and not wanting to say (beyond hints of).

It’s awkward to be in it and be out of it when you understand that it’s a dimensional happening with more than just the two physical beings.

Blessings to you, too,
Paula ♡

[onawah]

I find myself wondering if there were behind the scenes influences on Christine and Karelia--not from Avalon, but from entities that Avalon has been dealing with of a dangerous bent.
So many of the whistleblowers that have been interviewed and otherwise interfaced with by Avalon in our attempts to discover the facts and the truth have turned out to be controlled by those whose intent is chaos and destruction.
It's not that unusual for well-meaning people to be fooled and led to actions that they will later sorely regret, and that chain of negative influence can be very far-reaching.
Not that we all shouldn't be held accountable, or that wrongs done should not be righted, but in discovering the causes, sometimes we need to look much deeper than surface appearances.

[Marikins]

I don't know the parties who have been banned. I accept that both what Paul and Bill say is true. The abrupt change in behavior is exactly what we should expect from someone being remote influenced or psychically attacked. We of all people should know this.

[norman]

A deviation from established honor and trust can be a deliberate act within a shared reality perspective, or it can be a product of a shift of reality perspective, with only the intent to persue the different reality manifestation. One is like having to lock up your valuables, the other is like having to lock up your mind or at least keep a very safe distance apart.

They are quite different things, as regards how to handle them, going forward.

[Jhonie]

My heart goes out to Avalon.

[Jeffrey]

I talk to Christine on a near-daily basis, and let me assure you, she is doing great.

She has a lot of projects going on right now and is connecting with all kinds of new people. Many new doors have opened for her!

Claudia is burgeoning and in the pink as well. Both ladies are good friends of mine and will remain as such ... I love them!

You who else I love and still talk to occasionally, Chelley (9eagle9)! She is doing great too. She's writing a new book and being kept pretty busy by life's daily chores. She too is an amazing woman.

They've all long since moved on from this forum. Account or no account.

I'll leave y'all with this . . .

I am the whore, I am the virgin.

I am the victim, and I am the executioner.

I am the first breath, and I am the last.

I am the light in your eye, the hatred in your heart.

Your pain, your joy -- all me.

Love stems from my garden, and decay comes from my will alone.

This entire universe is nothing but I.

And I am you. I am all and thou art that.

My only hope is that you aren't as hard on yourself as you are on me.

That you show yourself the same kindness as you'd freely give another.

To love is a choice. To condemn and shame is a choice.

There is only you in this world. Choose wisely.

We are together forever.

Peace,

Vivek

[Bill Ryan]

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Jeff, I love you like a brother. You're a scientist... so some day, you may appreciate and understand that you have just provided proof that for yourself, intellect, wisdom and awareness are not all the same thing.

[3(C)+me]

Posted by Jeffrey (here)
I talk to Christine on a near-daily basis, and let me assure you, she is doing great.

She has a lot of projects going on right now and is connecting with all kinds of new people. Many new doors have opened for her!

Claudia is burgeoning and in the pink as well. Both ladies are good friends of mine and will remain as such ... I love them!

You who else I love and still talk to occasionally, Chelley (9eagle9)! She is doing great too. She's writing a new book and being kept pretty busy by life's daily chores. She too is an amazing woman.

They've all long since moved on from this forum. Account or no account.

I'll leave y'all with this . . .

I am the whore, I am the virgin.

I am the victim, and I am the executioner.

I am the first breath, and I am the last.

I am the light in your eye, the hatred in your heart.

Your pain, your joy -- all me.

Love stems from my garden, and decay comes from my will alone.

This entire universe is nothing but I.

And I am you. I am all and thou art that.

My only hope is that you aren't as hard on yourself as you are on me.

That you show yourself the same kindness as you'd freely give another.

To love is a choice. To condemn and shame is a choice.

There is only you in this world. Choose wisely.

We are together forever.

Peace,

Vivek

So you love and support a liar and a theft.?
Don't lend her any money or give her any your passwords, If I were you.
It's all good to be philosophical when your not on the other end of out right thievery but if you were, I don't think you would be putting out poems on forgiveness.
Your friends, red flag here, so you are scientist with no sense, go figure.

[Caliban]

I'm sorry to hear you're going through this Bill. To be betrayed like that by someone you loved is devastating. I don't know what went down between you, breaking hearts is one thing, but to run off with someone's savings... well, that's beyond the pale.

I wish you strength and quick rebounding. Our thoughts are with you.

[pyrangello]

I've belonged to another forum which is far away from this one, use to have 50,000 members, we went thru a cycle of upheaval for about a year, mods and higher ups gave warnings , suspensions and on and on. Finally after so much consideration people just started getting whacked and that took care of the problem, Lots of energy trying to massage others when more productive things could have been accomplished during that time. So then ran the opinions and slander by supporters of those whacked and then topics on the forum were locked out and deleted and more people got whacked . Until one day when everything became quiet and finally settled down. I don't know any of the particulars of any of this or the individuals involved but I do know this , its takes much time and effort to patrol the waterways of any forum and in order to keep moving the mission forward and protect the basic principles of what created Avalon there are casualties along the way. Its just the way it is and for me I care not to dive into any drama but only to look forward and continue on with the Avalon mission. Drama is nothing but a waste of everyone's time and I certainly don't want the job of the mods or admin, they always have there hands full even when things even seem quiet . Respect!

[meeradas]

My only instant question was "why public?".
I hope you guys have weighed all the pros and cons of this kind of procedure carefully - beforehand.

As i would hate to see this place break apart over this kind of stuff.

[Jeffrey]

I have never really twisted her arm about it, and I'm not going to.

There was a point in my life, when I was sixteen years old, where I was hanging around some poor characters. Long story short, I ended up burglarizing a house. I knew the people too, one of my best friends growing up. Her parents were like my second set of parents. They were out of town that weekend and I needed money for drugs and wanted to gain the respect of the people I was hanging around with.

I went to jail for several days after it happened. A few weeks after that, the family whose trust I betrayed invited me and my mother over for dinner. They weren't concerned about what I had taken, or how I had wronged them. They didn't call everybody to tell them what I had done, or how bad of a person I had become. They didn't press charges. They were concerned about me, and in their concern they reached out and embraced me with love and forgiveness.

That kind of experience has an impact on a young heart. It's totally transformative. I wasn't expected to graduate high-school, especially by certain family members, they had made up their mind about me . . . I had done something bad. Well, I did graduate high-school. I was told I would never go to college. Today, I have a four year degree and no college debt. Not only that, but I now live in a vedantic monastery. Talk about a turn around! Nobody from my high-school days would ever believe I am where I am today. And I'm not done, I have much more ahead of me.

My point is this. Some friends just love you, and that's it. Love is transformative, and so is shame and condemnation. I am where I am today because I am loved.

In addition to the experience I just shared, my grandmother taught me a thing or two about loving somebody no matter what. She would always tell me she loved me, even when hell was raining down on me from others, or when I'd shoot myself in the foot, metaphorically speaking. She would always let me know how much she loved me.

When this life is over, the only thing that will matter is how we treated others — even those who have wronged us. How did we respond? Did we throw them into a pit of guilt, shame, and condemnation? Did we judge them harshly? Did we try to inflict pain upon them in some way to get back a them? If we did these things, did we eventually come around and learn to forgive them? (Or did we just completely ignore them, allowing what was said or done to roll off our backs like water on a lotus?) Did we grant ourselves the same love and forgiveness?

This isn't about philosophy, this is about character and day-to-day life.

That which irritates us about others can often lead to a better understanding of ourselves, Jung said something like that. Search your own mind and heart to find your angularities. Its hard work at first, but the fruits of such work are what we take with us when this body goes. Its about character. How much love did we freely give to others and to ourselves, how much did we withhold and why?

Love is transformative. You want to change somebody, you love them and see what happens. Love yourself and see what happens. Try to understand that they are the same thing and see how your perspective and dealings with the world transforms as you continue practicing.

The intellect is seated in the heart.

[promezeus]

IT seems that many people are finding their shadow side coming to the surface, like a mind control triggering, and then acting it out unabashedly, and even defending it with gibberish.

The following is part of the caption under the still-posted Ruiner interview done by christine here:

http://earthempaths.net/wp/2015/10/0...ne-inside-out/

"This is not solely his story, it is our story ~ the one we are all responsible for. Some are here from other times, some from distant galaxies and some are Earth born, what we share is a recognition that the time of awakening calls for acts of responsibility."

So christine still considers the ruiner's blog an 'act of responsibility'? Just like orwell said would happen, the meaning of words and actions are twisted to justify Anything and everything which then leads to chaos. And then as already planned...from chaos to order, nwo.