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    I like to share this article in which states this:


    If humans have the skill and intelligence to develop psychotronics for assault upon other humans, literally to wage war,
    Why is there no equivalent development of psychotronic weapons and faculties to be used in fighting back?

    Where is the countermagic to use against the "black magic" of psychotronic mind control and Flash Gordon ray-guns?

    Hollywood celebrates super-powers of super-heroes with paranormal capacities, and the Harry Potter books portrayed all kinds of wizardry - totally fictional! How can it be that using magic and paranormal skills in the defense of life is fictional, but using mind control techniques to control, harm, and kill is factual?

    "Super-powers" = siddhis, occult or paranormal powers attributed to yogis and accomplished masters of various Asian techniques. Taoist masters are also said to possess such powers, but who ever heard of them being used to fight against intra-species predators?
    What if human animals in this moment of time could discover and put into action a range of "super-powers" or paranormal skills capable of defeating and destroying psychopaths, intra-species predators, and the enemies of life?

    How would such "countermagic" - call it Gaian psychotronics - come to be defined, developed, and implemented? This is a question to live with courageously and contemplate daily as the omen of Venus Lucifer, the Morning Star, rises higher and hither in the east.

    As I conclude the material on Sophia/Lucifer, I ask you to hold this distinction vividly in mind:
    Turning around the current situation on the planet, so that events align in syntropic feedback with Sophia's Correction, does not depend on a magical factor, but may include one. MAY...
    Correction is diorthotic: consisting of two solutions, two norms.
    one is the mundane solution
    the other is the magical solution
    Neither of these two solutions alone can bring Correction to optimal expression in the social order. It takes both together.



    I belive is right on spot in this momentum. All the article in the link.
    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/mistic_38.htm

    What image will you choose for Sophia?? Mine is a soft pink warm ray of light
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    Default Re: The true Lucifer is Sophia

    Black Magic vs White Magic, Good Guys vs Bad Guys, Defeating Psychopaths and Enemies etc

    Are

    All

    Based

    Upon

    A Dualistic Vision eh ?

    AFAIK Yogic "super powers" have a price tag, which is : Universal Compassion and "Do No Harm"

    Because

    Although we may all be born in innocence

    Who can claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?

    Thus : The Yogi / Yogini does not see "Other" for All are reflections of Him / Her

    Despite

    Outwardly Appearances !

    [IMHO Only]



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    Quote Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)
    Who could claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?
    Don't underestimate humanity just to make your own transgressions seem normal... there are many extremely advanced Beings in this planet who would make your mouth drop open in awe... not that they would be interested in your worship because they are only here to assist us.

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    Note the author of the article and the date. Thread from January, 2015 - John Lash's Kalika war party


    I'm on vacation...stepping out.
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    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Quote Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)
    Who could claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?
    Don't underestimate humanity just to make your own transgressions seem normal... there are many extremely advanced Beings in this planet who would make your mouth drop open in awe... not that they would be interested in your worship because they are only here to assist us.
    Oh, your choice of words seems to indicate some sort of Anthropomorphic belief system no ?
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    ill tell you what will be the problem... it will be illegal to oppose the government in its deeds... you will be considered a criminal basicaly for interfering with governments plans.

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    Quote Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)
    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Quote Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)
    Who could claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?
    Don't underestimate humanity just to make your own transgressions seem normal... there are many extremely advanced Beings in this planet who would make your mouth drop open in awe... not that they would be interested in your worship because they are only here to assist us.
    Oh, your choice of words seems to indicate some sort of Anthropomorphic belief system no ?
    No... I am not close to the realms of non humans... I was referring to humans like you and me.

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    Yes, we quite litterally can't imagine how soooo beautiful humans can become. With purity of intent and creative powers that cannot even be foreseen for me/us, the regular human beings. This is however our destiny if we intent to live it fully. Up to us to decide to thread that path and decide to unroot hate or envy from our hearts.

    In fact, so beautiful that when in contact with those slowly reaching that state of fullness, most of us won't even be able to notice the extraordinary human beings beside us, and take in the energy and love that these human beings are giving.

    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Quote Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)
    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Quote Posted by Clear Blue Skies (here)
    Who could claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?
    Don't underestimate humanity just to make your own transgressions seem normal... there are many extremely advanced Beings in this planet who would make your mouth drop open in awe... not that they would be interested in your worship because they are only here to assist us.
    Oh, your choice of words seems to indicate some sort of Anthropomorphic belief system no ?
    No... I am not close to the realms of non humans... I was referring to humans like you and me.
    How to let the desire of your mind become the desire of your heart - Gurdjieff

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    Quote Posted by RunningDeer (here)
    Note the author of the article and the date. Thread from January, 2015 - John Lash's Kalika war party


    I'm on vacation...stepping out.
    If one has ever studied the writings of John Lash, one would know there is a lot of "baby" in his "bathwater" ... I have followed his demonization on this forum ... so understand why one would recoil based on "convention" and "testimony" of a discarded ex girlfriend ... but let us not forget that the Marquis de Sade spent most of his life in prison for being labelled a "black hearted" blight on the society of his time ... whether deserved or not (debatable) it does not take away from the genius of the writing and philosophy

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    Quote Who can claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?
    I can and every human can. Negatively geared energy is generated from our physical mind, never the heart, the human heart is utterly incorruptible. The heart reflects negative thoughts or emotions with pain and the health of the heart can be effected or the heart can even killed by negativity but never does it contain it. People confuse the experience of their hearts burning with rage or their hearts glowing with love (as a perfect reflection of the state or our being in relation to our HS), with containing the rage or containing the love. This is an error in thinking, at great cost to humanity.

    If the human heart is corruptible then how do we explain its ability to instantly and perfectly reflect the state of our mind, every time, without fail?





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    This post is a general response to Rachel's statements and not a criticism.
    Quote Posted by Rachel (here)
    Quote Who can claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?
    I can and every human can.
    I am afraid to tell you that this is actually wrong. Most humans who think they are saints have only their ego's to thank… or maybe to blame…

    Quote Posted by Rachel (here)
    Negatively geared energy is generated from our physical mind, never the heart, the human heart is utterly incorruptible. The heart reflects negative thoughts or emotions with pain and the health of the heart can be effected or the heart can even killed by negativity but never does it contain it. People confuse the experience of their hearts burning with rage or their hearts glowing with love (as a perfect reflection of the state or our being in relation to our HS), with containing the rage or containing the love. This is an error in thinking, at great cost to humanity.
    The heart is a pump and the seat of vital energy coming from the Sutratma link from the causal envelope which keeps the body alive via the blood, together with pranic energy from the spleen... so the heart is the centre of physical existence.

    Humans can exist without a physical heart as long as something pumps the blood around the body.

    What we actually mean when we talk of 'heart' is the state of consciousness of a person.

    In the physical body it is the thymus gland which is in direct contact with the so called 'heart' chakra in the etheric envelope… a name given simply because of it's proximity to the heart.

    The 'heart' chakra is affected by thought… thinking… just as the solar plexus chakra is affected by feelings… none of these are in the physical body… they demonstrate their condition by physically affecting the areas of our body which they control… and, depending on their state of activation, can lead to various diseases.

    So if we think wrong thoughts… like hate and envy... it alters the energies and thus 'heart and soul' of the person.

    Some sayings to understand this are… “Man becomes what he thinks.”... “As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.” And thoughts are things... and energy follows thought… and “everything depends on our thoughts.” and “All consciousness expressions(thoughts) have effects”.

    The effects of wrong thinking which 'corrupts' the 'heart' chakra can lead to diseases of the physical heart… which we clearly see at this stage of evolution is prolific… we also see the same effect of 'corruption' in the solar plexus chakra (feelings) which is evident in people with diseases such as diabetes or pancreatic cancer etc.

    Quote Posted by Rachel (here)
    If the human heart is corruptible then how do we explain its ability to instantly and perfectly reflect the state of our mind, every time, without fail?
    This statement is self explanatory… and a little confusing…

    If the state of mind is 'bad' then the 'heart' is 'bad'… and visa versa… but… your choice of the word 'corruptible' is a actually incorrect and not in accordance with reality because we don't corrupt our chakras… they are either more or less activated.

    A better question to ask yourself is...” why do some people think differently to others” and the answer is… because people are at different levels of consciousness growth… which means they think differently… which means they would not demonstrate the same 'from the heart' thinking'.

    Thinking completely correctly is only achieved once causal consciousness is attained and the secret lies in the fact that the causal envelope is directly linked to the 'heart' chakra… and if you have achieved causal consciousness you would understand fully the meaning of unconditional love in it's most powerful state… something that NO human being has achieved… because once this is achieved you are no longer a human being…

    So it would be quite acceptable to say that most have hate and or envy in their 'heart' because this is how we subjectively measure the state of a person's consciousness growth... for example... if you align yourself with one person and fail to see the beauty equally in all people... and fail to give them the same unity and love... no matter what they have done... you do not yet demonstrate true 'heart' chakra activation.

    Take care
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    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    I am afraid to tell you that this is actually wrong. Most humans who think they are saints have only their ego's to thank… or maybe to blame…
    Nothing to be afraid of, Ray, I never used the word saints and don't equate what I wrote of myself/humans with being saints.
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    Quote Posted by Rachel (here)
    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    I am afraid to tell you that this is actually wrong. Most humans who think they are saints have only their ego's to thank… or maybe to blame…
    Nothing to be afraid of, Ray, I never used the word saints and don't equate what I wrote of myself/humans with being saints.
    Yes I can see clearly you did not use the word 'saints' dear.

    I chose it because it is a well known term used to describe someone at the height of emotional attractiveness and a purer character and 'heart'... in esoterics it is known that everyone at some point in time will live one saintly life which is a mixture of tolerance, patience, and compassion for all Beings.

    This is however still far away from causal thinking... but still a beautiful stage to behold in life.

    With love
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    "In esoteric ... one saintly life"? That's interesting.

    Ray, What type of esoterics is that you reference?

    -Aaron

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    Interesting thread.....one not expected from the title...Great post about the heart fine feather 😊 Even better question as to why people think in certain ways IS Why are we in an environment that keeps us from cultivating Our very best from the heart and all its parts?

    Counter Measure.....where's the blasted counter measure?...with All that's going on I'd say it's opposite would have Quite a return...
    We X Billions want to change the world and it appears we are......
    PARADISE IS POSSIBLE EVERYWHERE 4 EVERYONE

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    Quote Posted by Karpos (here)
    "In esoteric ... one saintly life"? That's interesting.

    Ray, What type of esoterics is that you reference?

    -Aaron
    Hi Karpos
    If you search for esoterics on the net you can come across all types of writings which claim to be esoteric... but they are far from original esoterics.

    True esoterics is writings which have come direct from our planetary brothers who have completed their human evolution... and there are many currently incarnated in bodies here.

    Pythagoras was one such person... and of course we should not forget Jesus and Buddha... but unfortunately most of what these two came to demonstrate has been largely turned into fiction by the dark forces.

    Pythagoras was the first person to introduce the term 'monad' which describes exactly what we are... but again this word has been altered by some who came after him, simply because they could not understand it.

    Today the only true and simplest and unaltered esoteric writings comes from Hylozoics and can be found here if you want to familiarize yourself with it or even read up on it.
    I would warn you that although it is a public site, not many seem to be able yet to get their heads around it.
    http://www.laurency.com/index.html

    Hope this helps
    Take care
    Ray

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    Quote Posted by CD7 (here)
    Even better question as to why people think in certain ways IS Why are we in an environment that keeps us from cultivating Our very best from the heart and all its parts?
    Hi CD7
    I think the reason is simply because most people are reading and have been sucked into the wrong writings... especially those which have been translated from the Indian philosophies.
    The true Indian esoteric philosophies are far more advanced than most think... but... the translations for western use is almost entirely fiction because the translators were not advanced enough to understand the writings... much like the gnostic writings like the Nag Hammadi.

    Take care
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    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Quote Posted by Karpos (here)
    "In esoteric ... one saintly life"? That's interesting.

    Ray, What type of esoterics is that you reference?

    -Aaron
    Hi Karpos
    If you search for esoterics on the net you can come across all types of writings which claim to be esoteric... but they are far from original esoterics.

    [...]

    Today the only true and simplest and unaltered esoteric writings comes from Hylozoics and can be found here if you want to familiarize yourself with it or even read up on it.

    [...]

    http://www.laurency.com/index.html

    Hope this helps
    Take care
    Ray
    A quote from http://www.laurency.com/index.html :

    Quote As also Indian raja yogis maintain, anyone who is willing to undergo the requisite training can develop abilities, now dormant in man, which will one day be powers possessed by everybody, that is, the possibility of acquiring objective consciousness in ever higher molecular kinds, or states of aggregation, at present invisible
    Hi Finefeather / Ray,

    Given how each Spiritual Tradition has its own usage of particular words and their application, not to mention the nuances in meaning ... is it fair to say (equate) Hylozoic objective consciousness with Non-Dual consciousness ?

    Thanks,
    Simon.

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    Quote Posted by Finefeather (here)
    Yes I can see clearly you did not use the word 'saints' dear.

    I chose it because it is a well known term used to describe someone at the height of emotional attractiveness and a purer character and 'heart'... in esoterics it is known that everyone at some point in time will live one saintly life which is a mixture of tolerance, patience, and compassion for all Beings.
    I’m not equating an incorruptible heart with being at the height of emotional attractiveness and pure character.

    You’ve got me thinking about what I wrote and I see an error. I wrote;

    Quote People confuse the experience of their hearts burning with rage or their hearts glowing with love (as a perfect reflection of the state or our being in relation to our HS), with containing the rage or containing the love.
    This isn’t true, because our entire being contains love. Not the best way to offer my point, so I’ll try putting it another way.

    If, for example, I’m in a state of fear, I know I’m feeling an emotion, which is a reflection of the state of my mind, that I can feel in my body. So even though I can feel the fear in my heart, I know it is not from my heart. The heart is the heart, it is what it is, something of the mind cannot be of the heart, or in the heart, only felt in the heart.

    However, the heart can be silenced, but even then it’s not actually silent, we’re just not listening to it, so even in that way it’s incorruptible (I didn’t use the word corruptible in relation to the heart, I used incorruptible).

    So I’m pretty much saying what you’re saying, except you wrote it better, and I disagree with the heart being changed/affected by thoughts. I’m making the distinction between feeling fear based emotions in our heart and our heart containing fear based emotions.

    Yes, it’s perfectly acceptable to say most of us have envy and hate in our heart, but I do not believe that to be true. However, free will affords us our choice of how we experience ourselves, if you want to see the heart as having hate and envy in it, that’s your choice. I made the distinction because I believe it’s important people are aware of the choice to know they can always rely on their heart for the truth.
    Never give up on your silly, silly dreams.

    You mustn't be afraid to dream a little BIGGER, darling.

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    Default Re: The true Lucifer is Sophia

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    Given how each Spiritual Tradition has its own usage of particular words and their application, not to mention the nuances in meaning ... is it fair to say (equate) Hylozoic objective consciousness with Non-Dual consciousness ?
    Hi dear Simon
    I would not try to equate Hylozoics with other writings because this could end up confusing your logic... but once you begin to understand it it becomes easy to see how many other spiritual writings have been fictionalized.

    The last thing I want to do is sound like I am dogmatic and thus do not want to see other writings for what they are worth. I would rather say that initially the student should see Hylozoics as another hypothesis... I am not here to recruit anyone

    But lets just take duality as you mentioned...

    Hylozoics does not consider duality in the same way as most others... like good and evil... right and wrong... etc... all these states exist in the one life and each needs to be used and seen for what they can and do contribute to our overall consciousness growth.

    Hylozoics considers duality as the two ends of cosmic life... the one side is 'Spirit' and the other is 'matter'... in others words everything that exists will experience 'spirit' which is actually energy and 'matter' which is actually form in the physical world... everything in between is just various stages or amounts of these two basic cosmic building blocks... they of course result in consciousness.

    Quote The identification of spirit and matter also appears in the symbolic saying: spirit is the highest kind of matter and matter is the lowest kind of spirit. This abolishes duality and expresses the unity of spirit and matter, a unity that only the third self can begin to understand.
    Take care
    Ray

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