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    Facebook flags then removes NPR report on inflated government school shooting statistics

    Jon Miltimore Foundation for Economic Education
    Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:22 UTC



    Earlier this week, NPR reported on the high number of school shootings alleged by the U.S. Department of Education. The 240 school shootings detailed in the department's report on the 2015-2016 school year was significantly higher than other estimates. So NPR, with the assistance of the non-profit group Child Trends, began doing what good journalists do: they collected data.

    Over a period of several months, they contacted every school. What NPR found was startling.

    "[More] than two-thirds of these reported incidents never happened," NPR reported.

    A colleague of mine, Sean Malone, shared NPR's article - which carried the headline "The School Shootings That Weren't" - with a few thousand Facebook friends and followers on Tuesday.

    It was flagged as spam and removed.

    Facebook's crackdown on fake news and "hate speech" has been well chronicled.

    There are many reasons to be wary of such censorship: Who decides what's true? Who decides what's fake? Who decides what's hateful?

    What's most troubling about this case is that it strongly suggests that Facebook is censoring information that conflicts with particular political narratives. This is dangerous.

    Social media tech giants have claimed in court the right to censor users for any reason - even "on the basis of religion, or gender, or sexual preference, or physical disability, or mental disability." During an April court hearing, attorneys for Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey assured California Superior Court Judge Harold Kahn the power would be used judiciously.

    Recent events suggest otherwise.

    Silicon Valley's clumsy and partisan censorship practically invites intervention from Washington, D.C. This would be the worst case scenario.

    Matt Taibbi, writing in Rolling Stone earlier this month, warned about where the slippery slope of social media censorship would take us.
    [P]oliticians are more interested in using than [in] curtailing the power of these companies. The platforms, for their part, will cave rather than be regulated. The endgame here couldn't be clearer. This is how authoritarian marriages begin, and people should be very worried.
    The solution isn't for lawmakers and Silicon Valley whiz kids to decide what speech is appropriate. The solution is for Facebook and Twitter to return to being open platforms faithful to their original visions.

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    I was listening to the radio driving to town recently and had a laugh when listening to NPR, National Public Radio. On the short portion of the broadcast I caught while changing stations the program said it was sponsored by the department of homeland security, an admission of sponsorship, and thus influence from a governmental and not a public organization.

    It is a huge conflict of interest, but not an ironic fact to those of us, from the origin of the first human "government", who have seen the use of reporting as propaganda and influence from those who do not have the interest of the public at heart. Omission, Emotional Influencing and Redirect are the real mandates of the controlled opposition. This is also the obvious, original intent of most social forums from their inception. Why is anyone surprised about the banning of those who reveal the truth about governmental corruption from those forums?

    It's good to know that some real investigative reporting, showing the government's lie about attacks, snuck thru the bias that NPR is known for. Their narrative is one of controlled opposition, heavily laden with real human interest stories to coddle the attention of those who lack deep critical thinking and the heart centered insight that drives us to take the actions that really change things. With this rare example, we'll take the truth wherever it comes from. However, knowing the slant of their reporting, it's best to be prompted to dig even deeper.

    This great conflict of interest is exactly why most social forums exist, beyond the profit motive and the gathering of private details to be used for coercion . Why most well-intended people and organizations didn't recognize from the beginning, as well as the contract that each forum requires for it's use, the inherent loss of privacy and funding from malicious intel groups of those forums is beyond me. The internet itself was and is a government (darpa) created and funded tool intended to gather and control information from and to the public. Since the advent of most communication devices, it has never allowed a single device to be sold without a back door for access, influence, manipulation or removal. It is called the company because it has always been a company and not a government.

    NPR is actually both a private and publicly funded non-profit organization, which is understandable if non-profits were all ethical and devoid of outside, negative influence, which they are not. NPR is often referred to amongst those I know as the National Petroleum Report since it rarely confronts the power elites' influence on the control of governmental regulations and policies, contrary to their publicly chartered mandates.
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    Great Matt Taibbi article - I picked it up yesterday via Craig Murray's blog and it is a must read for sure.

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    Inspired by the Atlantic Council and Ben Nimmo, Facebook deletes Craig Murray's posts since July 2017 - apparently cause he's a 'Russian bot'

    Craig Murray Craigmurray.org.uk
    Tue, 28 Aug 2018 11:47 UTC


    © Herald

    Facebook has deleted all of my posts from July 2017 to last week because I am, apparently, a Russian Bot. For a while I could not add any new posts either, but we recently found a way around that, at least for now. To those of you tempted to say "So what?", I would point out that over two thirds of visitors to my website arrive via my posting of the articles to Facebook and Twitter. Social media outlets like this blog, which offer an alternative to MSM propaganda, are hugely at the mercy of these corporate gatekeepers.

    Facebook's plunge into censorship is completely open and admitted, as is the fact it is operated for Facebook by the Atlantic Council - the extreme neo-con group part funded by NATO and whose board includes serial war criminal Henry Kissinger, Former CIA Heads Michael Hayden and Michael Morrell, and George Bush's chief of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, among a whole list of horrors.

    The staff are worse than the Board. Their lead expert on Russian bot detection is an obsessed nutter named Ben Nimmo, whose fragile grip on reality has been completely broken by his elevation to be the internet's Witchfinder-General. Nimmo, grandly titled "Senior Fellow for Information Defense at the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab", is the go-to man for Establishment rubbishing of citizen journalists, and as with Joseph McCarthy or Matthew Clarke, one day society will sufficiently recover its balance for it to be generally acknowledged that this kind of witch-hunt nonsense was not just an aberration, but a manifestation of the evil it claimed to fight.

    There is no Establishment cause Nimmo will not aid by labeling its opponents as Bots. This from the Herald newspaper two days ago, where Nimmo uncovers the secret web of Scottish Nationalist bots that dominate the internet, and had the temerity to question the stitch-up of Alex Salmond.

    Nimmo's proof? 2,000 people had used the hashtag #Dissolvetheunion on a total of 10,000 tweets in a week. That's five tweets per person on average. In a week. Obviously a massive bot-plot, eh?

    When Ben's great expose for the Herald was met with widespread ridicule, he doubled down on it by producing his evidence - a list of the top ten bots he had uncovered in this research. Except that they are almost all, to my certain knowledge, not bots but people. But do not decry Ben's fantastic forensic skills, for which NATO and the CIA fund the Atlantic Council. Ben's number one suspect was definitely a bot. He had got the evil kingpin. He had seen through its identity despite its cunning disguise. That disguise included its name, IsthisAB0T, and its profile, where it called itself a bot for retweets on Independence. Thank goodness for Ben Nimmo, or nobody would ever have seen through that evil, presumably Kremlin-hatched, plan.

    No wonder the Atlantic Council advertise Nimmo and his team as "Digital Sherlocks".


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    Nimmo's track record is simply appalling. In this report for the Atlantic Council website, he falsely identified British pensioner @Ian56789 as a "Russian troll farm", which led to Ian being named as such by the British government, and to perhaps the most surreal Sky News interview of all time. Perhaps still more remarkably, Nimmo searches for use of the phrase "cui bono?" in reference to the Skripal and fake Douma chemical weapons attacks. Nimmo characterises use of the phrase cui bono as evidence of pro-Assad and pro-Kremlin bots and trolls - he really does. Most people would think to consider cui bono indicates a smattering more commonsense than Nimmo himself displays.

    It is at least obvious cui bono from Nimmo's witchfinding - the capacious, NATO and CIA stuffed pockets of Ben Nimmo himself. That Facebook allows this utterly discredited neo-conservative charlatan the run of its censorship operations needs, given Facebook's pivotal role in social media intercourse, to concern everybody. The freedom of the internet is under fundamental attack.


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    In his recent interview with Richard Dolan, filmmaker Jeremy Corbell explains how all the marketing and promotion for his new documentary Hunt for the Skinwalker was removed by Facebook. Corbell plays it down, but Richard is incredulous. Listen at 30:02.


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    Facebook Sells Your Personal Information

    by Henry Makow PhD
    November 1, 2018

    They provide a service. How do they monetize it?
    By selling your personal information to anyone who wants to manipulate you.

    There is a stunning scene in the PBS Frontline documentary broadcast Tuesday and Wednesday where a lawyer demands to see his personal information stored by Facebook. He is given thousands of pages covering everything he has ever posted. Facebook has 2.25 billion users worldwide.

    They provide a service. How do they monetize it? By selling your personal data to anyone who wants to manipulate you into buying a product or demonstrating or voting for a candidate. It makes $20 billion a year and has a market cap of $440 billion.



    We tend to see Facebook in terms of their left-wing bias. For example, they recently scrubbed "proud boy" accounts while letting Antifa function with impunity. But this is part of a much bigger picture in which Facebook has been criticized for allowing the site to be used for many nefarious causes.

    For example, it was used to stir up hatred against the Muslim minority in Myanmar which led to genocide. It was also used to instigate the "Arab Spring" for the Muslim Brotherhood. A former employee of the Russian "Internet Research Agency" in St. Petersburgh confirmed that Russians used it to advance their political interests in Ukraine and to help Trump get elected. During his campaign, Trump had held out an olive branch to Russia, which has turned out to be an outright lie.

    Russia trolls are engaged in a campaign to demoralize Americans, a longtime Communist goal. Maybe not so much has changed there.

    Cambridge Analytica used FB data to help Trump's campaign target specific voters with $100 million worth of ads. Needless to say, FB did not discourage this bonanza even though the data breach was not authorized. Until recently any developer could access everyone's personal information.

    Facebook has about 40,000 employees and the majority are now engaged in trying to ferret out these "bad actors." Facebook executives were interviewed and most of them are millennials in over their head. They are mostly interested in increasing "engagement." More "polarization" has this effect. Before becoming the brunt of criticism, Facebook touted itself as a technology company, and not a media company. It was loath to interfere with free speech. Obviously, they have had to change.

    Facebook started as a way to help Harvard students get laid but Zuckerberg soon realized he was sitting on a gold mine. Zuckerberg, 34, is worth $53 billion. Like liberals everywhere, he shrouds himself in piety and self-righteousness. He claims the goal is to make the world "a more connected and open" place. That means it's really about money.



    Mark Zuckerburg has created a monster. Billions of people are addicted to a surveillance and manipulation machine.

    A powerful weapon, FB can be used for good or bad. But who decides?

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    Here are the two parts of the new PBS documentary, The Facebook Dilemma, released just a few days ago in two installments. HIGHLY recommended.




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    Bill, it says "this video is not available". Did you grab them for the library?

    From Bill: Yes, I did, but the YouTube videos definitely still work. They were uploaded by PBS themselves.

    They can also be streamed from the PBS site:
    1. https://pbs.org/video/the-facebook-d...art-one-voajnk
    2. https://pbs.org/video/the-facebook-d...art-two-i7efro
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    I found it quite amusing that Facebook have recruited former British deputy PM Nick Clegg to head up its global affairs. Presumably because this is the point at which Facebook is really needing a person synonymous with trust, kept promises and public confidence? Specifically I'm amused that on the face of it, Facebook appears to have been sold a pup. I'm sure at the interview Clegg sold Zuckerberg a great tale about being one of the most formidable former politicians in the world with regard to privacy and honesty.

    Quite frankly, I'm rather glad Clegg is leaving the UK entirely - for all the values the Lib Dem's supposedly hold, here is Clegg working for Facebook! This ought to tell you everything you need to know about modern politics (or just politics), regardless of party.

    I would say Facebook know full well that anybody who has held significant office retains residual door-opening abilities to governments, oppositions, civil servants and regulators. They shouldn't, but in the real world they do. It could even be that they're [gasp!] making a genuine attempt to change their culture - and have roped someone in to help them show governments they're actually doing that. But I don't believe that Zuckerberg or Clegg are capable of that or wired that way.

    It's fashionable to be massively rude about politicians, but it'll be interesting to see if Clegg has any positive effect at Facebook. Or if he is just a shallow, money-grabbing bar steward.
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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here are the two parts of the new PBS documentary, The Facebook Dilemma, released just a few days ago in two installments. HIGHLY recommended.
    [...]
    It looks like I am in the same blind hole as Norman, here: "Not available."


    Thanks for the alternate

    Well that was short lived, too:

    Quote We're sorry, but this video is not available in your region due to rights restrictions.
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    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here are the two parts of the new PBS documentary, The Facebook Dilemma, released just a few days ago in two installments. HIGHLY recommended.
    [...]
    It looks like I am in the same blind hole as Norman, here: "Not available."


    Thanks for the alternate
    The alternate is more polite and informative, but it says the same thing.

    Quote We're sorry, but this video is not available in your region due to rights restrictions.
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Here are the two parts of the new PBS documentary, The Facebook Dilemma, released just a few days ago in two installments. HIGHLY recommended.
    [...]
    It looks like I am in the same blind hole as Norman, here: "Not available."

    Thanks for the alternate
    The alternate is more polite and informative, but it says the same thing.

    Quote We're sorry, but this video is not available in your region due to rights restrictions.
    Okay, Wow. Here's a WeTransfer download link. (Two files, 549 Mb, valid till 23 November 2018)
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    Well, I'm watching it and well into the second video. I wish everyone could see the videos. What an incredible fable type story of getting what you wished for. The devil is in the details, though. I guess Suckerberg just didn't see past his too often repeated mantra of wanting an open world where everyone communicates with each other.

    He and his company have become tools for chaos and polarization in the worst way. Not understanding he is being used for nefarious purposes is very disturbing to see. He doesn't have a clue. He's just not smart.

    Most of the employees, except for the ones who saw it coming and resigned, seemed to have drunk a very potent kool-aid which blinds them from reality.

    Another huge problem is that most of his employees are too young to have any kind of real life experience or hindsight understanding, which generally comes with age and experience. This is a recipe for disaster with a company of this kind of influence.
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    Quote Posted by Valerie Villars (here)
    Well, I'm watching it and well into the second video. I wish everyone could see the videos. What an incredible fable type story of getting what you wished for. The devil is in the details, though. I guess Suckerberg just didn't see past his too often repeated mantra of wanting an open world where everyone communicates with each other.

    He and his company have become tools for chaos and polarization in the worst way. Not understanding he is being used for nefarious purposes is very disturbing to see. He just doesn't have a clue. He's just not smart.
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    I'm getting into this right now, its a very revealing video.

    This bit at ~29.01 stood out for me

    "If you're off Facebook its using tracking pixels to collect what you're browsing"

    "For its micro-targeting to work, for its business model to work it has to remain a surveillance machine"

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    If the Facebook stock value isn't tanking, why not?

    The 'market' must feel the exposure of Silicon Valley either isn't going to happen or that it will be spun very favorably.
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    Yes, it's a VERY good documentary.

    Now also uploaded to the Avalon Library. If you want to download it, though, please use the WeTransfer link https://we.tl/t-hIwzKLDdJh, valid till 23 November, or download it from YouTube if you can.

    If NOT, then it's in the Library as a backup. The request to use the other resources first is simply that we have to be just a little careful with the Library bandwidth usage.
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    Here's a short (and very interesting) 4 minute video about the data that Facebook collects about YOU.

    Even if you don't have a Facebook account.

    I'll say that again.

    Even if you don't have a Facebook account.



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    I've just finished watching Part 2 of the new PBS documentary The Facebook Dilemma. It was fascinating (as was Part 1) — but My God, there are major problems here with (e.g.) using A.I. to filter out 'hate speech' and 'fake news'.

    I'm sure I'm not alone in detecting a marked Liberal leaning to the entire documentary — factually based though it appears, or presents itself, to be.

    (At this point, these questions of course spill over to other threads and discussions.)

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