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    just being cautious of committing to anything , not unlikely for false info to be planted

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    just being cautious of committing to anything , not unlikely for false info to be planted
    The e-mail in question (that was leaked, about Nibiru, in Podesta's inbox) was sent to a very large number of people by a citizen and Nibiru-advocate called Don Smalter. Nothing official here of any kind.

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    Default Re: Evidence for Planet Nine in our solar system

    John Lear said Nibiru was a scam ~ "just a plot to keep us in a state of anxiety"

    We really need to know if this email is false or not! there is some very worrying statements on it.

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    Harley's comment got me thinking and wondering and daydreaming (all good things!)

    These phrases:

    "Solar Obliquity (the six-degree axial tilt of the Sun)",

    "For the sake of their study – “Solar Obliquity Induced by Planet Nine“, which was recently published in the Astrophysical Journal",

    "For over 150 years, people have wondered why the sun is tilted. Personally I’d say that Planet 9 offers the first satisfying explanation. If it exists, it tilted the sun

    all say essentially that whatever's going on, it's slowly making the sun tilt, and I'm wondering why the sun itself wouldn't be considered the reference point used to describe the orbits of all it's satellites slowly tilting relative to it instead.

    The phrase "every 17,117 years, and at an average distance (semimajor axis) of 665 AU" or whatever the current calculations are for how long the orbit takes for one cycle and distances for aphelion and perihelion, along with the idea that it's approaching perihelion, imply that 17,117 (or whatever) years ago, it was more or less the same distance away and also less than 17,117 (or whatever) years ago, it was more or less the same distance away as it was leaving perihelion. When might that have been? During mythological stuff? Roughly, what are the two most recent time frames when it would have been the same distance away as it is now?

    There seem to be a lot of slow leaks going on now, and that's probably better than bursting a whole bunch of bubbles.
    The only place a perfect right angle ever CAN be, is the mind.

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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    I don't understand why they don't have technology capable of detecting everything out there like radar blips on a screen. Surely we don't have to go through all this messing around with detecting perturbations in the orbits of other bodies, in this day and age?

    Fuzzy photos syndrome, I guess.
    That's probably because you don't understand how radar works. Radar works by sending out radio pulses (usually 2GHz or higher) as a focused beam. The strength of the reflections depends upon the distance, size and ability of the target to reflect radar signals.

    It's easy to detect a metal plane at say 100 miles, or even Venus at millions of miles, but a planet hundreds of millions of miles away - that may not even have a solid surface? Not sure how we are going to do that with radar. Any ideas anyone?

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    Default Re: Evidence for Planet Nine in our solar system

    It's a good idea to explain what's in a posted video, so people can decide if they want to watch it. What point is the video making?

    In this case, however, from what I can tell from listening to a few random minutes of this video, summarizing it would be difficult. It seems to be various random clips on the topic of meteors or asteroids hitting the earth. It's not clear what point, if any, it's trying to make. Most likely, it's just "click-bait", as I explain below.

    The clip that provides the video's "click-bait" title, "FEMALE ASTROLOGER SHOCKS THE WORLD! Nibiru Planet X is HERE! Hear her revelation.", runs from 2:22 to 5:15, and so far as I noticed (though I only sampled it, didn't listen to all of it), she says nothing sensational, nothing about astrology, and nothing about Nibiru. She just describes some of the conventional understanding of objects hitting the earth. The video title is quite misleading, if that's the case.
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    Hello Everyone:
    Some interesting news from Space
    chancy

    Link:
    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/mysterious...145135713.html

    Article:
    Mysterious ‘Planet 9’ orbiting our sun could be a ‘rogue planet’ from outside the Solar System
    Rob Waugh
    Yahoo News UK - January 12, 2017

    Last year, scientists spotted signs which offered a hint that there is a huge, unseen world lurking at the edge of our solar system – ‘Planet Nine’.

    The giant, hidden planet is thought to be 10 times more massive than Earth – and on an orbit which takes 10,000 or 20,000 years to go round the sun.

    But the story of Planet 9 might be even odder than first believed – as scientists say it may once have been a ‘rogue’, free-roaming planet which was captured by our solar system.

    James Vesper of New Mexico State University (NMSU) said during an American Astronomical Society news conference in Grapevine, Texas, ‘It is very plausible’ that Planet Nine is a captured rogue, a world that cruises through space unattached to a star.

    Vesper and his colleagues simulated 156 different encounters between our solar system and free-roaming bodies.

    Vesper wrote, ‘Rogue, or free-floating, planets may be abundant in the Galaxy. Several have been observed in the solar neighborhood.

    ‘They have been predicted to even outnumber stars by a large fraction, and may partially account for dark matter in the disk of the galaxy, as the result of circumbinary planet formation.

    ‘We speculate that if rogue planets are abundant as predicted, then, Planet 9 may be a captured rogue.’

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    Quote Posted by bluestflame (here)
    Quote Indigo Skyfold is the most secret covert black operation in world history. It is the jewel of all black operations and its purpose is actually 3 fold to control weather, to implement warfare and to cover up the existence of a second sun in our solar system.
    No, it has nothing to do with a second sun. Read this thread:
    The transcript is here. The 'second sun' is never mentioned. That's someone else's additive.

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    Quote Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
    Quote Posted by ghostrider (here)
    They will discover two more planets, and our suns twin a failed fusion star , that is always hidden behind our sun ...
    Just thinking:
    This is how we really move with our Sun.

    If you look the planets never get in front of the Sun, so where would the second sun be?
    The second sun must be in-front of our Sun.
    Our sun being towed by the second Sun, if so the second Sun is really the first Sun

    I would like to see a version of the vid including Planet 9's path

    And of curse add the Suns spiral movement in our galaxy 0.o
    I got it from the Billy Meier contact notes, suppossedly it moves exactly with the earth which keeps it hidden from science for now... he redicted we would discover two more planets with very strange orbits ...
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    Default Re: Evidence for Planet Nine in our solar system

    Planet 9 has existed. It wwas announced in the space magazines of the day back when it was first discovered by the type of society that we know. Then for years it was not talked about. Then people began to talk about it and others called them names. Now NASA is asking for the public's help in finding Planet 9. Here is a link to the article on astronomy.com http://astronomy.com/news/2017/02/ci...tists-planet-9

    Here is the video that is at the bottom of that page, embedded. It is called primer on planet 9 or something like that

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    I found this guy on YT nearly a year ago. I think his upbeat persona is refreshing. He is talking about the NASA announcement I posted about yesterday. It is Jacob Israel.


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    I recall seeing a google star image near Virgo showing an area blacked out so that viewers couldn't see what Google was hiding, which now appears that it was planet 9. Now that it has moved we can see a part of it. the second black and white is infrared from skyview program.

    So the mainstream really hasnt been alerted to this and wonder why? If nothing is going to happen you would think there wouldnt have been an effort to hide it...
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    A yet to be discovered, unseen "planetary mass object" makes its existence known by
    ruffling the orbital plane of distant Kuiper Belt objects, according to research by Kat Volk
    and Renu Malhotra of the UA's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory. The object is pictured on
    a wide orbit far beyond Pluto in this artist's illustration.


    UA Scientists and the Curious Case of the Warped Kuiper Belt

    The plane of the solar system is warped in the outer reaches of the Kuiper Belt, signaling the
    presence of an unknown Mars-to-Earth-mass planetary object far beyond Pluto, according to
    new research from the UA.


    An unknown, unseen "planetary mass object" may lurk in the outer reaches of our solar system, according to new research on the orbits of minor planets to be published in the Astronomical Journal. This object would be different from — and much closer than — the so-called Planet Nine, a planet whose existence yet awaits confirmation.


    A planetary mass object the size
    of Mars would be sufficient to
    produce the observed perturbations
    in the distant Kuiper Belt.


    In the paper, Kat Volk and Renu Malhotra of the University of Arizona's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, or LPL, present compelling evidence of a yet-to-be- discovered planetary body with a mass somewhere between that of Mars and Earth. The mysterious mass, the authors show, has given away its presence — for now — only by controlling the orbital planes of a population of space rocks known as Kuiper Belt objects, or KBOs, in the icy outskirts of the solar system.

    While most KBOs — debris left over from the formation of the solar system — orbit the sun with orbital tilts (inclinations) that average out to what planetary scientists call the invariable plane of the solar system, the most distant of the Kuiper Belt's objects do not. Their average plane, Volk and Malhotra discovered, is tilted away from the invariable plane by about eight degrees. In other words, something unknown is warping the average orbital plane of the outer solar system.

    "The most likely explanation for our results is that there is some unseen mass," says Volk, a postdoctoral fellow at LPL and the lead author of the study. "According to our calculations, something as massive as Mars would be needed to cause the warp that we measured."

    The Kuiper Belt lies beyond the orbit of Neptune and extends to a few hundred Astronomical Units, or AU, with one AU representing the distance between Earth and the sun. Like its inner solar system cousin, the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, the Kuiper Belt hosts a vast number of minor planets, mostly small icy bodies (the precursors of comets), and a few dwarf planets.

    For the study, Volk and Malhotra analyzed the tilt angles of the orbital planes of more than 600 objects in the Kuiper Belt in order to determine the common direction about which these orbital planes all precess. Precession refers to the slow change or "wobble" in the orientation of a rotating object.

    KBOs operate in an analogous way to spinning tops, explains Malhotra, who is a Louise Foucar Marshall Science Research Professor and Regents' Professor of Planetary Sciences at LPL.

    "Imagine you have lots and lots of fast-spinning tops, and you give each one a slight nudge," she says. "If you then take a snapshot of them, you will find that their spin axes will be at different orientations, but on average, they will be pointing to the local gravitational field of Earth.

    "We expect each of the KBOs' orbital tilt angle to be at a different orientation, but on average, they will be pointing perpendicular to the plane determined by the sun and the big planets."

    If one were to think of the average orbital plane of objects in the outer solar system as a sheet, it should be quite flat past 50 AU, according to Volk.

    "But going further out from 50 to 80 AU, we found that the average plane actually warps away from the invariable plane," she explains. "There is a range of uncertainties for the measured warp, but there is not more than 1 or 2 percent chance that this warp is merely a statistical fluke of the limited observational sample of KBOs."

    In other words, the effect is most likely a real signal rather than a statistical fluke. According to the calculations, an object with the mass of Mars orbiting roughly 60 AU from the sun on an orbit tilted by about eight degrees (to the average plane of the known planets) has sufficient gravitational influence to warp the orbital plane of the distant KBOs within about 10 AU to either side.

    "The observed distant KBOs are concentrated in a ring about 30 AU wide and would feel the gravity of such a planetary mass object over time," Volk said, "so hypothesizing one planetary mass to cause the observed warp is not unreasonable across that distance."

    This rules out the possibility that the postulated object in this case could be the hypothetical Planet Nine, whose existence has been suggested based on other observations. That planet is predicted to be much more massive (about 10 Earth masses) and much farther out at 500 to 700 AU.

    "That is too far away to influence these KBOs," Volk said. "It certainly has to be much closer than 100 AU to substantially affect the KBOs in that range."

    Because a planet, by definition, has to have cleared its orbit of minor planets such as KBOs, the authors refer to the hypothetical mass as a planetary mass object. The data also do not rule out the possibility that the warp could result from more than one planetary mass object.

    So why haven't we found it yet? Most likely, according to Malhotra and Volk, because we haven't yet searched the entire sky for distant solar system objects. The most likely place a planetary mass object could be hiding would be in the galactic plane, an area so densely packed with stars that solar system surveys tend to avoid it.

    "The chance that we have not found such an object of the right brightness and distance simply because of the limitations of the surveys is estimated to be to about 30 percent," Volk said.

    A possible alternative to an unseen object that could have ruffled the plane of outer Kuiper Belt objects could be a star that buzzed the solar system in recent (by astronomical standards) history, the authors said.

    "A passing star would draw all the 'spinning tops' in one direction," Malhotra said. “Once the star is gone, all the KBOs will go back to precessing around their previous plane. That would have required an extremely close passage at about 100 AU, and the warp would be erased within 10 million years, so we don't consider this a likely scenario."

    Humankind's chance to catch a glimpse of the mysterious object might come fairly soon once construction of the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope is completed. Run by a consortium that includes the UA and scheduled for first light in 2020, the instrument will take unprecedented, real-time surveys of the sky, night after night.

    "We expect LSST to bring the number of observed KBOs from currently about 2000 to 40,000," Malhotra said. "There are a lot more KBOs out there — we just have not seen them yet. Some of them are too far and dim even for LSST to spot, but because the telescope will cover the sky much more comprehensively than current surveys, it should be able to detect this object, if it's out there."





    Source: https://uanews.arizona.edu/story/ua-...ed-kuiper-belt


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    Default Re: Evidence for Planet Nine in our solar system

    A note: that last post (which I just merged), from the University of Arizona, about a possible Mars-sized object influencing the orbits of objects in the Kuiper Belt, isn't actually about 'Planet Nine' — which the article points out would be different, more remote, and larger — but I felt that it does belong in this thread, where these anomalies are all being reported from various sources, and discussed.

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    Something guided me to this , this morning. Its an 11 minute video on Nibiru. Its a pretty neutral position but it does lay out the groundwork of this flyby , Time and date unknown. Its not a fear video but an educational video. Remember fear is only created by the unknown anyways. So check it out and enjoy this weekend.And just stay educated, that will help you for anything in the future.

    http://nibiru2017.com/planet-x/nemes...-nasa-warning/

    and for an extra read that comes out every friday in an internet newsletter- check this out too.

    http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue565.htm

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    Sorry, some bloke just saying stuff - even with fancy graphics - is not evidence. Ask some amateur astronomers, geologists, meteorologists if they have any evidence of any of this.

    And when nothing happens - again - will this guy fess-up and apologise for distributing shi*e? Will he ***k.

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    ...



    ... here we go... AGAIN!

    ... with that psy-op about Nibiru/Planet X (rehashed every year since CIA Nancy Lieder started it). Here is a post from way back:

    Quote Posted by Hervé (here)
    My, my, my... here we go again...

    Here is from Ken Adachi, a former devoted Zeta sucker (a certain PT Barnum reckoned there's one born every minute... so it's a never ending story):

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    I had expected Nancy Lieder and Zeta Talk to disappear from the Internet following the 2003 fiasco, but I guess a built up CIA/NASA/military disinformation psyops like Zeta Talk is simply too juicy a scam to just abandon, so they profer a truly moronic and pathetic 'White Lie' excuse to explain away their prediction failure and just move the date up another eleven years to 2012! So we are treated with another eleven years of disinformation nonsense, fear mongering, anxiety promotion, worry promotion, fear of having children born into such a nightmare world, re-locating to remote, bare bones survial locations, etc., etc., for a whole new generation of suckers, rubes, and newbies who will buy into the Zeta Talk lie with the same wide eyed belief that I bought into it between 1995 and 2003, and wind up posting Youtube videos with ingenious sounding explantions of mysterious celestial body movements in the solar system accounting for this or that "HMO" and similar absurdities. .

    I've also re-printed the current home page from ZetaTalk further below which includes links to the modified Pole Shift explanation mentioned above and the "White Lie' gambit. Remarkable, Nancy also includes the following statement on her current Zeta Talk home page:
    "Note: Where Planet X came into the inner solar system in early 2003, it has not yet passed, though has gone through gyrations while passing the Sun's S Pole and adjusting to the Sun's magnetic field. Some ZetaTalk is best understood in the context of the date written. These topics, below, are organized by date written and should be read in order for a historical perspective. The increase in Earth changes and electromagnetic interference and evidence of Planet X in the inner solar system is palpable. For the very latest ZetaTalk, however, jump to the bottom for news about the current year!"

    Here, we witness the lunacy, ridiculousness, and witlessness of Zeta Talk, Nancy Lieder, and her handlers in full flower. She reports that this huge red planet, Nibiru, which she and Zeta Talk said was 4 times larger and 23 times more dense than Earth, had ENTERED the earth's solar system in 2003; yet still had not "passed."

    How could a 'planet' 4 times larger than earth enter the earth's solar system in 2003 and not be seen by astronomers?
    Full article and antecedents here:

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    Default Re: Evidence for Planet Nine in our solar system

    You know I've been around avalon since the start, and camelot long before that. I'm not worried about this extra planets if there are extra planets, hell these days between fake news, covert news and just entertaining news I think most of us are having a hard time trying to decide whats real or not. The thing with zeta is much of what they are saying is linked to actual events that are happening now, IE earth changes, power loss, quakes,sink holes, ect ect or is it that we are on such a instant timeline of current events it just seems like its happening more? . As for another pole shift, my thoughts are the earth is a living organism and is growing all the time from within to grow larger. Nothing scientific to support that except just my observation. So is there was to be a planet x , Is the info about extra planets being put out there a seed of fakeness? So to speak.

    I do understand fear controls many but I also am aware we are in a huge shift of cultures and co-habitation of us living together as one. Its actually a very cool time to be on this planet to witness the old crustations of control leaving the earth one by one only for new ideas and better ways of living while respecting this planet.Nobody wants war except for those in power. As for Nick , I'll take the Bloak phrase as I owe you a beer with respect, and Herve always listen to what you have to say as well. I repect everyone comments here as I consider all you like an extended family. But most important this is a college course here with teachers and mentors from all around the world , and for that i say is priceless. Thanks for the links and thanks for comments , it helps balance the scales for me personally.

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