Oregon Protest Leader Ammon Bundy arrested, LaVoy Finicum shot and killed

[qbeac]

Hi everyone,

This is a very good and comprehensive summary made by LaVoy’s family (I think it comes from them) of what happened during the ambush and killing of LaVoy, based on the combined eye witness accounts of Victoria Sharp, Shawna Cox, and the poor quality drone video footage provided by the FBI (or mercenaries?)

The following 6 points are my personal opinion of the direction this summary is clearly pointing at:

1) The FBI (or mercenaries?) ambushed LaVoy’s vehicle and then murdered LaVoy in cold blood. It was a military style ambush and execution (I think they call it a “kill box”).

2) To murder LaVoy to resolve that situation was totally unnecessary, and if other less aggressive persons had handled it, LaVoy would surely be alive today because there was no need to use lethal force to resolve the incident.

3) In my personal opinion, the real reason why LaVoy’s group (Ammon Bundy & Co.) was stopped was to prevent their message (or “virus” of truth) from spreading further, because it was being very effective in waking up too many people, and that poses a danger to the power of the corrupt elite.

4) The FBI (or mercenaries?) deliberately provided very low quality video footage without sound of the ambush, and that creates confusion about the details of what took place. That video footage “by itself” is inconclusive, so there is no point in arguing back and forth over only that poor quality video footage. That’s a waste of time and a distraction (Note: perhaps the FBI-mercenaries think the people are stupid and don’t realize that’s a cover up?).

5) The FBI (or mercenaries?) for sure has a lot of high quality video footage with sound of what took place (from different cars, helmets, etc.), and to provide it immediately would be the easy and right way to clear up all doubts about what really happened.

For instance, modern drones have very high quality video cameras. Police cars and police and combat helmets do too, and there were dozens of cars and agents on the scene. Therefore, the amount of high quality video footage with sound is probably enormous.

For instance, the 3 people inside the vehicle (Victoria Sharp, Shawna Cox, Ryan Bundy) recorded the complete incident with their own electronic devices (one video camera and several cellular phones), but the FBI has taken them away and has suppressed that info from coming out.

6) The FBI (or mercenaries?), with the help of local and State authorities and the MSM have deliberately lied about what really happened and have conducted an official cover-up (Ex: it has censored key info, it has distorted key data, etc.)

This is the summary:

LaVoy Finicum's family calls death 'unjustified,' says FBI covering up real story. February 02, 2016. By Laura Gunderson | The Oregonian/OregonLive
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta..._death_un.html

The family of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum issued a second, stronger statement calling the shooting death of the refuge occupier unjustified and accusing the FBI and Oregon State Police of a cover-up.

The family, who released the second statement Tuesday through its lawyer, drew its conclusions based on further viewing of the video released by the FBI last week and accounts of the shooting from Shawna Cox, a passenger in Finicum's truck who was released last week.

Based on the video and two eyewitness accounts, the statement said, "what we believe the video shows is that LaVoy was being fired upon before he even got out of the truck."

The family members said they believed Finicum left his white truck to draw fire away from the other three occupants, which included an 18-year-old girl. The FBI has been unwilling to release details of exactly how many times and where Finicum was shot.

"We believe he had already been shot before he ever lowered his hands," the statement continued. "We believe some of his hand movements were a natural reflex to being shot."

The family commissioned its own autopsy on Finicum that was completed over the weekend, according to a family member. The family hasn't released details from that autopsy.

"We believe he had already been shot before he ever lowered his hands." -- statement from Robert "LaVoy" Finicum's family

The family contends that the FBI released a grainy, edited video without audio in an attempt to "sway public opinion from the outset."

Finicum's family called on the FBI to release all audio recordings from the shooting, including what Cox had recorded on her phone. They also requested all unedited video taken by drones, body cameras and dash cameras as well as close-up images of Finicum's truck after the shooting.

The Deschutes County Sheriff's Office announced Tuesday that an investigation into the shooting won't be released for another four to six weeks.

-- Laura Gunderson
lgunderson@oregonian.com
503-221-8378

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Detailed Version

SUPPLEMENTAL STATEMENT FROM THE LAVOY FINICUM FAMILY 2-2-2016

http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-s...statement2.pdf
https://www.rt.com/usa/331221-fbi-co...rancher-death/

The purpose of this statement is to supplement the statement we issued earlier. It does not contradict our previous statement, but only serves to supplement, support and add detail to our previous position.

At this point, based on the additional information we have now received, it is our position that not only was the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum completely unjustified, but that the FBI and Oregon State Police may also be engaging in a cover-up, and seeking to manipulate and mislead the media and the American public about what really happened.

We realize this may sound like a bold statement, but now that Shawna Cox, who was a passenger in LaVoy’s vehicle, and an eye witness, has been released from custody, we have now had the opportunity to hear yet another account, and the ability to start cross-referencing all currently available information to figure out what really happened. This has shed important additional light on the whole ordeal -- especially when Cox is given the opportunity to essentially narrate what is happening in the video, from an eye witness standpoint.

It is our position that under the guise of claimed transparency, the FBI was very quick to release a very grainy, edited video, along with their interpretation of what they claimed it showed, without any audio overlay, in an effort to attempt to try to make the first impression on this issue, and seek to sway public opinion from the outset.

Based on Shawna Cox’s account, coupled with the account of Victoria Sharp, and comparison to the video released by the FBI, we now desire to make the following additional observations:

• Mark McConnell (if that is even his real name), had previously issued a statement that LaVoy had supposedly “charged” toward the officers. According to Shawna Cox, however, McConnell was not even present and had no personal knowledge whatsoever of what happened at the roadblock where LaVoy was killed. By way of background, McConnell had shown up at the refuge just two days earlier and ingratiated himself into their circle. He insisted on driving Ammon Bundy to the meeting. His vehicle was stopped at the outset, immediately surrounded by other vehicles and officers, and Ammon was arrested at that point, without incident. According to Shawna Cox, McConnell was never arrested and hasn’t been charged. Consequently, at this point it seems fairly obvious that McConnell was either an undercover agent who was helping to orchestrate the whole thing, or he was bribed somehow. But he never even saw what happened with LaVoy.

• Officers started shooting at LaVoy’s vehicle and the people in it right from the outset, even at the very first stop. Ryan Payne put his empty hands out of LaVoy’s truck window, and they shot at him [Note: the shot impacted near the rear view mirror of the vehicle, barely missing Ryan Payne]. Ryan then yelled that there were women in the vehicle. The officers instructed them to allow the women to get out of the vehicle, but Victoria Sharp refused [Note: for fear of being shot at], and Shawna Cox would not leave her.

• LaVoy clearly stated (yelled) to the officers, repeatedly, that it was his intention to go on to Grant County to talk to the sheriff there. But a disagreement ensued between LaVoy and Ryan Payne as to what they should do, so Payne exited the vehicle, at which time LaVoy proceeded farther until he came to the roadblock.

• According to Shawna Cox, they were being fired upon right from the outset at the second stop, before LaVoy even exited the vehicle. Bullets had already come through the front windshield. According to Cox, there is no question that LaVoy was trying to draw the gunfire away from the others in the vehicle.

• According to Cox, because it was very obvious that LaVoy had his hands in the air and intended to keep them there, the best explanation for LaVoy’s arguably furtive hand movements, and why he lowered his hands and reached for his side at one point is because he had already been shot, and he was reaching toward the area where he had been hit as an involuntary physical reflex, despite his fairly obvious determination to try to keep his hands in the air, as evidenced by the fact that he once again attempted to raised his hands, before being shot again and collapsing.

• According to Shawna Cox, after LaVoy was lying motionless in the snow, the legion of federal agents and police unleashed a barrage of gunfire on LaVoy’s truck and its remaining occupants, then including Ryan Bundy, Shawna Cox and Victoria Sharp, and shot it repeatedly. It was during this round of gunfire that Ryan Bundy was wounded [in the shoulder]. According to Cox, it was miraculous that no one else (which included Victoria Sharpe, a completely innocent bystander) was killed or seriously wounded during this attack. In addition to gunfire, they were also terrorized by repeated smoke and pepper bombs.

• There was never any attempt to provide any meaningful or timely medical attention to LaVoy. Victoria Sharp kept yelling that she was an EMT, and she wanted to treat him, but she was shot at instead.

• After re-reviewing the extended video with better technology, we want to reiterate that we are not accepting at face value the FBI’s statement that LaVoy was actually armed.

In summary and conclusion, after now having had the opportunity to view the full video with better technology, and to cross-reference it with two eye-witness accounts, what we believe the video shows is that LaVoy was being fired upon before he even got out of the truck. He exited very quickly and ran away from the vehicle to draw the gunfire away from the truck and its remaining occupants. He had his empty hands in the air.

He never wielded a weapon. He never posed any genuine threat to anyone. It is our position that he was cornered like a helpless animal, with nowhere else to turn, and executed in cold blood. We believe he had already been shot before he ever lowered his hands. We believe some of his hand movements were a natural physical reflex to being shot. He was shot multiple times in the back with his hands in the air. He was then completely ignored and disregarded for an extended period of time, and left to die with no attempt to provide any medical attention, while an entire of officers and agents (estimated to be at least 20 at that location), thoroughly terrorized the remaining occupants of the vehicle, including two women (Shawna Cox and Victoria Sharp), by shooting the truck full of holes.

Based on the FBI’s own preemptive efforts to manipulate public opinion under the guise of transparency, it is our position that if the FBI has nothing to hide and it wants to be fully transparent about what happened, it should immediately release the following:

• All applicable audio recordings and sound tracks, including an audio track of the event recorded on Shawna Cox’s phone, which has not been released.

• Full length, unedited video (by drones, body cameras, dash cameras, etc.)

• Complete, close-up images of LaVoy’s truck following the siege.

In the meantime, we will have no choice but to wait for the outcome of the independent investigation, and hope that nothing is done to tamper with the evidence.

[qbeac]

Hello, People:

These are a couple of IMPORTANT AND URGENT ANNOUNCEMENTS for the coming few days based on these 2 videos.

Please, help spread the word as much as possible (Ex: via facebook, e-mail, videos, etc.)

Interview with Brianna Bundy and LaVoy's Funeral Info Posted. Call of Duty Goddess
(14 min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eM5P2K0RkM

8:00 (minute). 1) There is going to be a peaceful rally (without fire arms) in Burns, Oregon, next Saturday (Feb-16-2016). Its goal is to gather as many people as possible and to go to the rescue of the few people still remaining in the Wild Life Refuge.

Please, spread the word about this event so that the people left behind in the Refuge can safely exit it, and so that the FBI-mercenaries don’t have the opportunity of provoking another bloodbath.

2) LaVoy’s funeral will be held next Friday (Feb-5-2016), I think in Utah (?). The correct data about the place for the funeral can be found using Google.

In the following video, Scott Bennett proposes to do a tribute to LaVoy in every other city in the USA at the same time the funeral is being held in Utah. The basic idea is to spread this info as much as possible.

Truth Unite: Victoria Sharp's Testimony about Murderous Assault against her at the Oregon Standoff. PROJECT CAMELOT TV NETWORK LLC
(2:04 h) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrS5B1NtDm4

1:34:00 (hour.) Scott Bennett makes the same proposition-idea as Brianna Bundy in the previous video.

Scott Bennett adds an additional possibility: to talk to the people of other Counties who may be supportive of the cause of LaVoy, Ammon Bundy, etc., and to go to their Wild Life Refuge, but this time unarmed and with official permission, in order to keep doing the same job LaVoy-Ammon & Co. have started: to inform the population of the different Counties about the corruption of the system, the abuses of the BLM, etc.

1:55:00. (hour.) Kathy Rubio confirms that Judge Darby has requested the help of the Provost Marshall and the USA military (the White Hats) in order to help them getting rid of the FBI-mercenaries currently occupying Burns, Oregon, so that a peaceful solution for the situation can be reached.

[Harley]

Statement and Report from Ammon Bundy

Approx. 30 minutes ago - 04 Feb 2016

(It's only about 2 minutes long, but it's on a continuous repeating loop lasting for about 6 minutes.)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WKfgEjOw9o4

[TrumanCash]

Victoria Sharp interviewed by CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/02/us/wit...killed-oregon/

[annacherie]

"I'm crossing the rubicon" - Lavoy Finnicum (there but for the grace of god go I)


_from another point of view (many forest service employees live here... ) " Well that’s one perspective. These are public lands and the privilege to make a living from them comes with some management."

Seems corporate corruption infiltrates all levels : Fed, State and Local. (Speaking from personal experience having purchased land that bordered what was once BLM ground....long story...)

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04...n-bundy/199034

But, I believe there are also very good hearted people working in various levels and capacities too. There seems to be a very dominant vibration of stubborness and self righteousness but on the flip side also authenticity in Eastern Oregon.

http://www.bluemountaineagle.com/art...160129930/2219 -the most gracious moment I felt listening to this is when a man on the "militia" side offered a blessing to the protesters of the militia-(the local Paiute tribe among them btw....) ~divergent style

http://www.bluemountaineagle.com/Loc...al-land-debate

"The showdown between federal agents and armed militants in Southeast Oregon will likely further polarize the public over the management of federal lands, experts say.

For some, the recent killing of an armed protester and arrests of several others will buttress the view they were extremist militants with unrealistic goals.

For others, the government’s actions and its siege of remaining protesters occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge will confirm fears of persecution by federal agencies.

Whether the standoff will ultimately lead to changes in the federal government’s oversight of the West’s vast public lands is also subject to varying interpretations.

Char Miller, an environmental analysis professor at Pomona College, said that Ammon Bundy and the other armed protesters miscalculated the public’s reaction to the occupation.

The national attention may have boosted the protester’s egos, but it also created a backlash against using the threat of violence to influence federal land policy, Miller said.

“What they’ve done is really hurt those with legitimate beefs with the federal government about how the land should be managed,” he said.

In the public’s mind, the protesters’ hostile tactics have been conflated with the goal of increasing local control over federal property, which weakens their case in the political arena, he said.

“If they wanted an uprising in Congress, they just made it that much harder,” Miller said.

The protesters’ actions won’t bolster attempts to transfer federal land to the states, which already had legitimacy among conservative lawmakers in multiple state legislatures before the refuge takeover, said Martin Nie, a natural resource policy professor at the University of Montana.

“They’re less of a spectacle and should be taken more seriously,” Nie said.

The philosophy of Bundy and his followers, meanwhile, is entangled with far-right interpretations of the U.S. Constitution and the power of county sheriffs but does not offer any serious proposals for changing federal land policy, he said.

“I don’t think this spectacle has helped that cause at all,” he said.

Among people who were uneasy about excessive federal authority, though, recent events will likely reinforce the notion that the government is out-of-control, said Mark Pollot, an attorney who is fighting federal agencies in court on behalf of deceased Nevada rancher Wayne Hage."

For local coverage of this issue go to facebook Blue Mountain Eagle page. https://www.facebook.com/MyEagleNews/?fref=ts

Management of federal land is a controversial subject here...fires are allowed to burn on fed land and no salvage harvesting of burnt timber is allowed. Large cattle ranchers have overgrazed the forests and destroyed sensitive water habitat though some small ranching operations are very sensitive to ecological balance...thing is if you eat grass fed organic beef it is likely subsidized by the fed through grazing leases.....the only way they can compete with the less desirable conditions, feeding practices and close quarters used elsewhere.

[qbeac]

Hi everyone,

What would happen if we compare what the MSM says about LaVoy’s ambush-killing and what the following Shawna Cox interview transcript says?

Let’s analyze both versions:

1) MSM official version: Initially, the MSM said there was a “shootout” (several persons start shooting at each other). But then the MSM said that LaVoy went to get his gun and that’s “the reason” why the FBI shot him 3 times.

That’s all that happened, according to the MSM: 3 bullets!

Note: later on, LaVoy’s family has said that he was shot at least 9 times, according to the autopsy.

Also, according to the drone footage, it seems he was tasered from the back (by the agent who quickly approached him from his back), and that’s exactly the moment when he fell down.

Therefore, in case he was tasered and then fell down, that would imply he was no longer a threat. So, why in the world did the FBI keep shooting at him after he had been tasered and was already on the ground, perhaps to make sure he died, that is, to kill him on purpose?

In case the taser hypothesis was correct (and we shall see), that would indeed imply cold blooded murder.

2) Shawna Cox version:

Shawna Cox interview, Periscope, with Rick at Free Capitalist. Jan-30-2016

Shawna Cox transcript, Jan-30-2016
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...c?pref=2&pli=1

ShawnaCoxInterview-Periscope-withRickatFreeCapitalist.mp3
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0l...w?pref=2&pli=1

Shawna Cox
January 30, 2016
Original Periscope Audio

Shawna Cox Eyewitness Testimony of LaVoy Finicum Murder
(23 min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEQiFVt-PI0

Transcript of the interview (till 11:00 min. mark):

[Interviewer: “Have you seen the video they released?”] I did but here’s the problem: they’re [inaudible] as you’re watching it. Because what happened was that, I was gonna go home. And then one of my friends, who was supposed to go do the video, couldn’t go, and I couldn’t leave the little girl, and I went to take pictures of them. That’s why I went.

So, we were set up. They had an ambush set up for us. Absolutely. And they set it in the place, the most perfect place. I was on the phone and texting right before that area and it was the only place that had absolutely no cell service.

[Interviewer: “They knew your guys’ plans down to a T”] Oh they did because it was that Mark. Mark did it. I believe it was Mark set us up. He’d only been there for a couple days. How come he’s out and nobody else is? He was in the van with us and we got pulled over. He’s the one that was pushing us all to go together at the same time. We were saying “no, we oughta send other people ahead,” and then, uh, then the next ones, you know, whatever. We were kind of in that together. So they, they knew. They knew.

And so when we came up. We came to that. We came first. And we [inaudible] the people there. And I was in the back with, uh, Victoria, and um, Ryan Bundy. And Ryan Payne was in the front and, and LaVoy was driving that one. And then he, Mark was driving along with Ammon and [inaudible].

And so when we came to that, um, we noticed the vehicles. And they said, “wow, did you see all those vehicles?” And I could see ‘em out of the side corner. You know, ‘cause I’m in the back seat and I got the camera [inaudible] so I can’t see a whole bunch. But, but I saw the vehicles.

And then they can see ‘em gaining up on us. And then we look back and, and, uh, [inaudible] is stopping, you know, ‘cause they flipped their lights on. LaVoy says, “Mark’s out, we’re going, we’re going to speak to the sheriff,” you know, so he’s headin’ out. And uh, Ryan Payne’s telling him, “no, dude, you need to slow down.” You know, he said, “slow, slow down,” you know, “they’re gaining on us. You better just slow down.”

So finally he talks LaVoy into slowing down, kinda pulling over, okay. [inaudible, interruption] we should stop. [interruption] So Ryan Payne, you know, they pull up kind of behind us and Ryan Payne rolls down his window and he puts both his hands out the window and they shoot at us! And they hit the, they hit the rear [rear view mirror pole… inaudible]. I thought they hit his wrist, okay, because he had that bracelet thing on. And I thought they hit him. He jerked his hands back in and, oh my god, ‘cause he had his head and his hand out, [inaudible]. Not good.

And so then finally LaVoy’s gonna take off and Ryan says, “oh, no, no.” And so he jumped out of the car. Well, Victoria says, “I’m not gettin’ out.” And I’m going, “I’m not gettin’ out when they’re shootin’ at us.”

[Interviewer: “Why did Ryan jump out if they were shooting at him?”] Well, I don’t know, becuase I guess he wanted Jim to, uh, check his ID [?], he said, “they mean business,” or something, you know. That’s when he got out. And then they took him immediately, and arrested, and, took him out, arrested him, yeah.

So then, so then, uh, LaVoy says, he says, they said something about “let the women out,” and, and that’s why he’s stalling. He said you guys can get out if you want to, you know — couldn’t really, the door was locked — but I, I mean, I could have made it except for Victoria said, “I’m not getting’ out,” and I’m not about to leave her, you know, as my mother instincts kick in. I’m not leaving her. She’s eighteen years old.

[Interviewer: “She’s not wanting to get out ‘cause she’s afraid?”] Oh yeah! And so she was, “I’m not gettin’ out.” So [inaudible] he said, so he just, he just said he’s just gonna get us so we slid down to the floor. I said, “how far do you think you can make it LaVoy without them shooting out the tires?”

And he was yelling at them at that time too, by the way. He was yelling at them, “we’re going to see the sheriff. We’re going to see the sheriff.” And so when we got down there, um, and he, and we were down low, then they’re yelling [inaudible], turn my video camera on. And that’s when we started, all I know is he gets to the roadblock and he tries to go around it. And remember we’re hunkering down. Um.

[Interviewer: “I couldn’t tell if he was actually trying to stop and just couldn’t stop in time or if he was actually trying to go around it”] He did hit the brakes. That’s true. He did hit the brakes. Because I remember we kind of slid through that snow and he had to stop so he came to a stop in the, in the snowbank ‘cause he was trying to get around ‘em. And, I guess he was going around them, I’m sure he was, anyway, so, um, I don’t know. I don’t know.

I just know that he was swerving around that side and that we hit the brakes and we slid right up into the ice [Note: and the vehicle came to a stop in the second roadblock]. And there was slush flying everywhere. And then the bullets started flying. And he screamed out the window, okay. [inaudible, interruption] “Go ahead and shoot me! Go ahead and shoot me! Okay, we’re going to see the sheriff.” And he, and he goes, “go ahead and shoot me.” And, uh, then he jumps out of the car. And he’s got both his hands up.

[IMPORTANT NOTE: according to Shawna, LaVoy got out of the vehicle “after” the FBI had already started shooting at him and at the vehicle. This point is a key detail and should be corroborated by Victoria Sharp and Ryan Bundy’s accounts, because, if correct, it would mean LaVoy was being shot at before and during the time he was walking on the snow and away from the vehicle.]

And then, we can hear all the shots are going off. They’re shootin’ us. Not just him. They’re shooting our windows out. They’re shooting everything. We can’t get out of the vehicle. Their bullets, their everything, whizzing, okay. We can’t get out.
There are lasers all over us.

Ryan gets hit in the shoulder. We have, we have lasers all over us — on the mirrors, on the glass, on our knees, on, you know. And we are just cowered down as low as we can get, and I got her head stuck [?] down low as I can. And Ryan’s down to the floor. We’re trying’ to, she’s tryin’ to, we’re tryin’ to keep down, low as we can. And the bullets don’t quit, they just keep going.

And they’re, they’re both screaming, “they killed LaVoy, they killed LaVoy!” They [Victoria Sharp and Ryan Bundy] watched him get shot, okay. And then, um, [inaudible] started screamin’, you know, “stop, stop!” you know. And she’s yellin’, “I’m an EMT,” you know, “I can help him, I can help him!” She’s screamin, “stop, stop!” She’s trying to get over to the window but the bullets keep coming.

I’m right by that passenger door and the glass is up and they keep hitting that window. Now we are praying. Her and I were just praying out loud, hard as we can. And, and the bullets are bouncing off this window. They didn’t break that window. They were breaking all the other windows. They didn’t break that window.

They were shooting in, they were shooting in, uh, gas, you know, bomb things. And so they’re gassing us. And so, I have that down jacket on and and her and I had our nose in the jacket, in my jacket. And I’m just trying to keep her down, you know. And uh, and then, finally, uh, because they weren’t lettin’ up, um, that’s when we started screamin’ to stop. So then they finally must have heard her because they stopped. And we’d been there for, oh, I don’t know, five, ten minutes, you know. And still, he was already dead. And they were still shooting. They were, they planned to kill us all. It’s evident.

So finally they says, and they get on the bullhorn and say, “send the male out,” you know, which was Ryan. And he got out and of course they got him, made him walk backwards, took him. And then she got [inaudible] out. And then um, then they came, and then, uh, I had to leave the camera and my phone, ‘cause I had to have my hands up and come out, climb out.

And they put us on the ground and, and put handcuffs on us. And then they continued to shoot the truck. They said, “is there anybody else in the truck?” as we’re walking away from it. I said, “No. There is nobody in that thing. Absolutely nobody is still in the truck.” Okay. [inaudible] And they just opened fire, and keep blowing holes in it and they broke the window where I was sitting.

It was evident that they had every intention of killing us. They didn’t want us live. It was crazy. We said, “you murdered him in cold blood.”

When we get [inaudible] to watch that video, FBI video, I can see what he was doing. He comes out of the truck, he has his hands up, my guess is they shot him in the leg, okay. ‘Cause you can hear the shootings. They shoot him in the leg. Or, I don’t even know how many times they shot him. But I know he has, I’m, I’m almost positive he had a bullet proof vest on, okay.

[inaudible] he’s stumbling through the snow and they shoot him. And he turns back like he’s coming back to the truck. And all that finishes him off is the long rifle over to the side, sniper. He’s not fifty feet from him and blows him away. And then, so he falls backwards into the snow. He does not have a gun in his hand. He is dead. When he gets down his hand, his left hand is still laid out, his right hand is halfway to his chest, and he, you know, like it was up. But he has no weapon in his hand.

He never unholstered his gun. He knew, you know, he just kept saying, “go ahead and shoot me, go ahead and shoot me.” And, and they did, they just lambasted him. And even after he was dead they shot him. It was just nightmarish. And I said to the girl, I said to Victoria, I said, uh, and we said, “you guys murdered him. You murdered him in cold blood. You’re bunch of murderers, killers, you know.”

Um, [interruption] “Why did you do that? Why did you that?”

“I didn’t do it. I didn’t do it.”

“Yeah, sure you didn’t.” We can see all of the guys standing behind trees. Some of them had those little flip, uh, binoculars things on their, on their hats, you know. They, uh, they were a bunch of snipers. They were just killers. It was unreal.

And, um, so then she said, uh, I said to her, “you just witnessed something that you’ll never forget for the rest of your life and you, whoever gets out of this, if you get out of this, you are to tell everybody you see.” She said, “I will, I will.” I said, “tell them truth. Tell them what really happened,” you know.

[Interviewer: “The FBI said that there … was a gun in LaVoy’s inside coat pocket. Do you know if that’s true or not?”] [inaudible] have a gun. I saw him laying on the ground. He never reached for an inside pocket, nothing. He had a, he had a pistol strapped to his hip. Why in the hell would he reach inside for a gun.

[Interviewer: “You mean when they shot him he had that pistol that he normally carried?”] [inaudible] on his hip, maybe he wasn’t wearing, anyway, he did not have a gun. He never had one in his hand. Yeah, why would he unholster and want to go shootin’ at ‘em? If he wanted to shoot them, why didn’t he get the gun out before he got out? [inaudible, interruption] There’s, there’s bunches of ‘em, up in the, all up behind the trees there, snipers.

[Interviewer: “Did he say anything to you before he got out?”] No, he was yelling at them. He was saying “okay then just shoot me, shoot me, shoot me,” that’s all he said. And they did. He was yelling at them. He had his hands up and he was yelling at them. And they did.

[Interviewer: “Sounds to me like … he was trying to get away … to protect you guys”] Uh, uh, I don’t, I don’t know. Maybe. And maybe that was his thinking. I don’t know. But he was bound and determined that we were going to get to the sheriff’s. And, uh, when he saw it wasn’t going to happen, maybe that’s what he, I don’t know. I can’t tell you what he was thinking. But it was, it was, but it was [inaudible].

[end for now at 11:02 ]

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Conclusion:

In case Shawna Cox was correct (and her version needs to be corroborated by Victoria Sharp and Ryan Bundy’s account, the autopsy, high quality drone footage, etc.), then the official version must be false because both versions are contradictory and, therefore, cannot be true at the same time.

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UPDATE:

I forgot to mention something important: modern drones have high quality video cameras capable of not only recording “very high resolution” images, but also “thermal” images.

That means we could not only “hear” every shot but also “see” where it came from.

And the FBI probably has thermal image recording of LaVoy’s ambush and shooting.

That would solve the doubts of what really happened that day. It would be so easy to see which agent shot which shot, when, from where, and in which direction.

Therefore, the core of the problem is not technical limitations or lack of evidence.

The core of the problem is that the FBI & Co. (the elite, etc., or at least the corrupt groups inside those institutions, because we shouldn’t generalize) are like the mafia: they lie, cheat, kill, falsify, cover up, etc. Or perhaps they are their bosses?

And until enough good people (the critical mass) realize it and come together, united, to solve this problem, the problem will persist. So now it is up to all of us to determine when we’ll solve it, together.

[Harley]

Live from Knub Utah - LaVoy Finicum Funeral and Honoring the fallen

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1IjMV--D4uk

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_lAYQLD-ZuY

[qbeac]

In this video (at 7:00 min mark) they say that in the links below there is a better quality drone video footage of the FBI ambush of LaVoy. I haven’t downloaded it myself yet, but perhaps some of you may want to try and see if in fact its quality is better or not.

Live from Burns Oregon - Kevin Preusse - Live dash cam witness
Revolution Radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMjPdCbmZTU

(7:00 min. Better quality drone footage.)

Link to allegedly better quality drone video footage of FBI ambush.
http://www.freedomslips.com/dronefootage/
http://www.freedomslips.com/dronefoo...-26-2016-1.mov

P.S. Please, if somebody downloads it, let us know if its quality is in fact better.

[qbeac]

Hi everyone,

The letter below written by Ammon Bundy from jail (Feb-4-16) summarizes, in my opinion, the real reason why the elite decided to stop them as soon as possible.

The real reason is that Ammon’s group were being very effective in educating a great number of people about the huge corruption of the system and, as a result, a lot of people were waking up very fast. And, of course, that poses a real threat to the elite, and that’s why they’ve tried to stop this movement.

But now the genie is out of the bottle and the elite’s crime (the murdering of LaVoy, etc.) may backfire on them because the harder the elite tries to suppress the “virus” of truth from spreading by using dirty tactics, the more people are going to wake up.

I was going to post Ammon’s letter and make a few comments about it, but I have found this article which pretty much summarizes what I was going to say, so I’ll go ahead and post first the whole article and below it Ammon Bundy’s letter.

THIS IS REALLY WHY THEY ASSASSINATED LAVOY FINICUM
Saturday, February 6, 2016
http://nesaranews.blogspot.com.es/20...ssi-nated.html

This Is Really Why They Assassinated LaVoy Finicum.
Friday, February 5, 2016 6:06

(Before It's News)
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...m-3294426.html

THE MILLENNIUM REPORT: Reporting the Most Important News in the World Today

A True Patriot Was Murdered by the U.S. Federal Government With Explicit Purpose And Intention

SOTN Editor’s Note:

There is a LOT of rumor and innuendo circulating on the Internet regarding the premeditated assassination of LaVoy Finicum.

Regardless of the different spurious accounts, it is critical to understand that this government black operation was a meticulously preplanned ambush. Why else would they shoot a man 9 times as he lay on the ground, who had previously had his hands in the air?

LaVoy Finicum: Shot 9 times by the FBI during staged assassination
http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=htt...2.com/?p=30261

The explicit purpose of this op was to assassinate LaVoy Finicum and to take the remaining men as political prisoners. In this regard the U.S. Federal Government has succeeded. However, in the process of carrying out the extrajudicial and unlawful execution of LaVoy Finicum, they have created the first martyr of the Freedom Movement of 2016.

The First Martyr of the Movement in 2016, The FEDs Arrest Burns Protest Leadership
http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=htt...2.com/?p=29802

The following video offers a firsthand account from a witness in the vehicle when LaVoy Finicum was murdered in cold blood. Shawna Cox provides excellent testimony of the assassination and describes exactly what happened before, during and after the government ambush. Case closed! Government “GUILTY” by dint of irrefutable evidence and testimony.

The Ambush and Murder of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum
http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=htt...2.com/?p=30055

Every patriot is encouraged to listen to her important portrayal of events. In so doing it becomes clear that they targeted LaVoy from the beginning of the preplanned operation. The hit team had their laser trained on him and all the protesters were doing was driving to a meeting with the county sheriff and conducting their education sessions.

The letter from Ammon Bundy posted in its entirety below is extremely significant as it explains why the protest movement poses such a dire threat to the current governmental tyranny.

Bundy makes it clear that the real purpose of the whole endeavor in Burns, Oregon was to educate the American people. Especially by informing the ranch owners and farmers across America who routinely bump up against the BLM, they could be empowered to respond to the illegal government initiatives now plaguing the West.

Obama Signs Executive Order To Legalize BLM’s Land Grabs.....
http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=htt...2.com/?p=30377

ARE YOU KIDDING ME... WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO STOP THIS PISS-ANT PUNK???

Let’s face it, there’s nothing scarier to a despotic government than an enlightened and informed citizenry. Hence, the burgeoning, organically grown, Western lands protest movement is Obama’s worst nightmare. Their whole Agenda 21 implementation plan will be subverted should this crucial movement gain traction nationwide.

BLM Targets Private Land for Agenda 21
http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=htt...2.com/?p=30361

Now the reader knows just how BIG this “war over the land” really is. It doesn’t get any bigger that the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development. This global initiative represents the final battle between the 1% and the 99%. Although it sounds good on the face of it, it is, at its very core, the ultimate land grab across the entire planet. The following link exposes critical aspects of this ongoing, global implementation plan.

NWO Cabal Pursues Total Dominion Over The Earth’s Weather And Natural Resources
http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=htt...2.com/?p=15986

Hopefully, Bundy and Hammond and other patriots know the real deal here. This current battle makes David & Goliath look like a walk in the park. And the enemy will only get fiercer and firmer in their future responses to any deviations from the status quo or public provocations.

State of the Nation
http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=htt...2.com/?p=30366

February 5, 2016

This is Ammon Bundy’s letter:

Open Letter from Ammon Bundy.
Feb-4th-2016
http://nesaranews.blogspot.com.es/20...ssi-nated.html

Dear Friends,

Hundreds of people were freely coming into the refuge to get education on their rights. Many group presentations were given each day. On Saturday, the 24th, ten ranchers from Oregon, Nevada, Utah, and Arizona nullified their grazing contracts with the BLM and U.S. Forest Service. On Saturday, the 24th, grand jury administrators from Nebraska and Florida were forming a grand jury to review the abuses in the Hammond case.

Tuesday, the 27th, the day LaVoy was killed, we began releasing documents exposing criminal acts by the government. The evening of the 27th, a meeting was scheduled with Grant County residents to give a presentation with those at the refuge. To give their presentation to hundreds of people in the county, including the county Sheriff.

The FBI attacked those who were to give the presentation on the way to this peaceful meeting, leaving hundreds at the meeting with no speakers. On Wednesday, the 28th, a follow up meeting was scheduled with Harney County residents with those at the refuge to finalize actions to claim back lands that were taken by the BLM, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and United States Forest Service. This included plans to take action to begin logging again in Harney County and to restore the thriving economy once known to the Harney County residents.

On Thursday evening, the 29th, a meeting was scheduled with Malheur County residents with those at the refuge to give a presentation on the constitution as it pertained to federal limits to land ownership inside the states. This meeting was to occur in Ontario, Oregon. Hundreds were expected to attend. The sheriff’s Department also accepted the invitation and was scheduled to attend.

On Friday afternoon, the 30th, residents surrounding Jordan Valley, Oregon, had scheduled a seminar with those at the refuge to come out and inform them of how they can protect themselves from a national monument that is to be signed in by President Obama this year, 2016. This monument is twice the size of Yellowstone, takes up a third of the county’s land mass, and will put over 250 ranchers out of business as they know it. Ranchers from Malheur county were scheduled to nullify their contracts with the U.S. Forest Service.

In the following weeks, meetings were scheduled in Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, and the State of Washington. Multiple Skype meetings were also set up throughout the Western U.S. All these meetings were to discuss how they would stand against the unconstitutional land control by the federal government. Those at the refuge collected over 50 testimonies of ranchers who lost their family property to the U.S. Government in Harney and surrounding counties.

Hundreds of government documents were compiled by those at the refuge. Many of the documents exposed abusive actions by federal government officials, Judge Grasty, Harney County Sheriff’s Department and direct abuses to the Hammond family.

Escalation of force from the FBI, OSP, and the Sheriff’s Department incrementally increased as the education from the refuge expanded. Government officials knew that if they did not take forceful preemptive action to stop the expanding the influence of the refuge, many would begin to stand for land rights as protected by the United States Constitution. Make no mistake about it: those that were educating at the refuge and are now suffering in jail at this time are political prisoners.

Those at the refuge never pointed a gun and never pulled a trigger to kill. They chose to educate, giving others the freedom to choose. The government promoted fear and forceful tactics to control and stop this education. And ultimately, they used force by the barrel of the gun.

Please watch the video below.

Sincerely,

Ammon Bundy
2/4/16
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7U0ssZBU4w
Link: To contribute to Ammon’s defense:https://www.fundedjustice.com/en/pro...l-Defense-Fund
—This Is Really Why They Assassinated LaVoy Finicum | SOTN: Alternative News & Commentary
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THE MILLENNIUM REPORT: Reporting the Most Important News in the World Today

Posted by Popeye at 8:00 AM

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by qbeac (here)
http://www.freedomslips.com/dronefoo...-26-2016-1.mov

P.S. Please, if somebody downloads it, let us know if its quality is in fact better.

It's the same drone footage, but all 26 min 28 sec of it, and in somewhat better resolution that Youtube provided. One can see arms easily, and hands a little bit.

LaVoy Finicum is shot at about 9 min 33 sec into the video. The rest of the video shows them ignoring his down body, and evacuating the other passengers from the white van.

[Harley]

From the onset of the video it seems fairly apparent to me that the main focus was on Finicum's vehicle.

Do you suppose that was only because his was the lead vehicle?

- 09:16: Remember the cop that ran out in front of him? I can't think of any sane reason for anyone to do that, other than to take a shot at the driver through the windshield.

09:16




- 09:27: Just by coincidence the video goes out of focus for a second. This is when Finicum first lowers his hands. Was this the first shot that hit him?

Now see that blurry figure standing directly behind the black truck? That's the cop who ran out in front of Finicum.

09:27




- 09:28: The video magically comes back into focus. Finicum is now attempting to raise his hands back up, but this is more than likely when the other cops began shooting (after the first shot).

But wait. Look again at the cop behind the black truck. He has now turned his back to the scene and is walking away!

Folks, I just simply cannot fathom why anyone in their right mind, who is holding their own weapon, would turn their back towards a deadly and ensuing firefight. Unless . . . Could his shot only have been intended to cause Finicum to lower his hands, thereby causing the other cops to start shooting?

09:28




Jumping ahead a little:

[QUOTE=Paul;1044297]

Posted by qbeac (here)
http://www.freedomslips.com/dronefoo...-26-2016-1.mov

LaVoy Finicum is shot at about 9 min 33 sec into the video. The rest of the video shows them ignoring his down body, and evacuating the other passengers from the white van.

- He falls to the ground at 9:33.

- For a period of at least five minutes they continue to target his head and chest area, as can be seen by the red dot targeting lasers.

- Without any regard to the Armed and Dangerous occupants of the truck, I might add.

13:16


13:17


14:00



Finicum's family reported that he had been shot nine times and that the funeral was going to be closed casket because there was too much damage. And then shortly before the funeral they announced that some reconstruction had been performed so they could have an open casket funeral.

Don't ask me, I wasn't there.

All I do know for 100% sure is, they made him REAL dead.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Harley (here)
- 09:16: Remember the cop that ran out in front of him? I can't think of any sane reason for anyone to do that, other than to take a shot at the driver through the windshield.

Thanks for the analysis and still shots.

One possible reason to jump in front of LaVoy Finicum's oncoming white SUV ... If LaVoy had hit that black truck head-on, instead of swerving around it into the snow bank, you would not want to be standing right behind that black truck just then.

[Curiosity]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Harley (here)
- 09:16: Remember the cop that ran out in front of him? I can't think of any sane reason for anyone to do that, other than to take a shot at the driver through the windshield.

Thanks for the analysis and still shots.

One possible reason to jump in front of LaVoy Finicum's oncoming white SUV ... If LaVoy had hit that black truck head-on, instead of swerving around it into the snow bank, you would not want to be standing right behind that black truck just then.

One of my first questions was whether or not he felt he couldn't stop in time to avoid the road block, is why he veered off into the snow?

[Harley]

Posted by Paul (here)
Thanks for the analysis and still shots.

One possible reason to jump in front of LaVoy Finicum's oncoming white SUV ... If LaVoy had hit that black truck head-on, instead of swerving around it into the snow bank, you would not want to be standing right behind that black truck just then.

That's a good point too!

But as he's running out I can see him looking squarely at Finicum's truck and his arms aren't down, as they probably would be if he was trying to run away.

Also, if I wanted to get out of the way I think I'd rather want to run back and try to get behind the white cop truck rather than to place myself in the open like that.

But who knows. It's a 'Heat of the moment' type of thing.

[Harley]

Posted by Curiosity (here)
One of my first questions was whether or not he felt he couldn't stop in time to avoid the road block, is why he veered off into the snow?

If I recall correctly, all of the passengers in Finicum's truck have stated (separately) that the first shots were fired as they were approaching the road block.

Whatever is true I'm sure Finicum knew he couldn't go back when he first spotted the road block, and if it's true that they were already being fired upon, then he knew he wasn't about to stop.

Therefore that would leave him with only one option. To try to go around.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Harley (here)
But as he's running out I can see him looking squarely at Finicum's truck and his arms aren't down, as they probably would be if he was trying to run away.

Arm and body position, while trying to move rapidly in snow, is likely a function of what's needed to get you where you want to get to.

He was able to get back out of the way of Finicum's white SUV quickly enough that no one showed any concern for his well being (unless that's just because they're all a bunch of callous bastards <grin>.)

[TrumanCash]

ACLU takes Pete Santilli case.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q6thJ6mCxzk

[TrumanCash]

Hundreds, including Cliven Bundy and militiamen, pay respects to Robert ‘LaVoy’ Finicum and the freedom they say he represented [Salt Lake Tribune, Feb 6]

[Harley]

OK, since I did a forum search for "Uranium" and found more than several threads I decided to post this here since it is directly related to the Oregon Standoff and the killing of LaVoy Finicum.

This is about Minerals in the Western States, Hillary Clinton, The Russian Company Uranium One, and more.

Oregon BLM: Document Data Dump Expose It's All About The Minerals!

Pete Santilli Show
Published on Feb 6, 2016

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LaZ5LU3NI_c

* Mods feel free to move this to one of the other threads if deemed more appropriate *

[TrumanCash]

After Finicum funeral, Cliven Bundy encourages more Utah ranchers to tear up grazing permits -- Salt Lake Tribue Video and article; Cliven Bundy explains BLM takeover and why they murdered LaVoy Finicum.