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    The iron fist of the national socialists in WDC comes down hard on Cliven Bundy for standing up for his constitutional rights.

    Feds Indict Nevada Rancher Cliven Bundy -- Rancher faces 42 years in prison and up to $1.5 million in fines

    Also: Portland TV station: http://koin.com/2016/02/11/cliven-bu...ortland-court/

    Cliven Bundy's daughter-in-law speaks on the arrest of Bundy last night:

    http://content.jwplatform.com/previe...gSLNi-Bw0sFO2g
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    It was evident to me that the Malheur occupation was heavily and deeply infiltrated with federal spies reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

    In the video below Alex Jones covers this subject vis-a-vis the Bundys and I think makes some good points (without ranting).

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    Hi everyone,

    Out of all the videos I have seen so far about the Oregon situation, I’d like to say something important:
    The following video by Judge Gary Darby is, IMHO, one of the most important videos about the Oregon situation.

    Everybody who has been involved in any way in the Oregon Standoff should learn about this info (Ex: Bundy family, LaVoy family, militia, alternative media, the lawyers of the indicted persons, etc., etc.)

    Please, help to spread the word far and wide.
    Note: Judge Darby is the one who made a phone call to the USA military asking them for assistance with the Oregon Standoff, and said there are mercenaries posing as FBI agents.

    Quote Interview with Constitutional Judge Gary Darby
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    (1:18 h) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd0qz4tNEUA

    This other video is an overview of the previous one:

    Time to get educated! Overview of Interview with Gary Darby
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    (59 min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vqv-d3ZA3g
    Let me explain why I think that video is so important:

    Because it delves deeply in the legal and lawful aspects of the Oregon situation, and also in the corruption of the official Judicial and legal systems controlled by the elite, and about some of the most effective solutions to this huge problem.

    Some highlights about the video:
    - Judge Darby explains how the official legal system controlled by the elite really works (and it is basically based on deception.)

    - Judge Darby explains that the official legal system is a complete fraud.

    - The elite was able to somehow replace the system of Common Law by the system of Maritime Law.

    - In a Common Law system (based on Divine rights, etc.), the people have a lot to say about how laws are applied, who will apply them, etc.

    - In the Maritime Law system (based on the law of the sea), the elite controls just about everything about it, and can do whatever they wish, whether it is just or unjust.

    - Judge Darby explains that the Court Houses are symbolically like a boat, and the Judges are like the captains of the boat. Therefore, the captain does as he wishes.

    - The Maritime Law system is full of dirty tricks to deceive the regular people, such as: words with double meanings, and the judge will interpret them as to favour the judge (the elite) but not the regular people.

    - Judge Darby explains that it is imperative that as many people as possible become educated about this matter, because that knowledge will be an effective way to solve many of the problems our human civilization now has (Ex: the Oregon situation, the corruption of the system, etc., etc.)

    - Judge Darby explains the reasons why regular people have a very high probability of losing their cases if they take them to an official Court House, because the official Judges can basically do whatever they want.
    In other words, there is not real JUSTICE in an official Court House as regular people understand it.

    In summary, the official Judicial system (based on Maritime Law) is a fraud, a deception, an evil tool that the elite uses against the regular people to control and manipulate them, and to defend the interests of the elite, not of the people.

    ---------------------------

    Experts in the subject of Common Law versus Maritime Law.

    For those of you interested in this matter, I’d suggest watching also the videos by these authors (you can find them in Google and YouTube):
    - Jordan Maxwell

    http://jordanmaxwell.com/

    - Judge David Wynn Miller

    http://dwmlc.com/

    - Judge Anna von Reitz

    http://annavonreitz.com/
    http://www.paulstramer.net/

    - Freewill
    (an expert in Common Law versus Maritime Law):

    An explanation of what happened to Freewill
    Maritime Law versus Common Law. Sunday, January 24, 2016
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...l-3286532.html
    http://nesaranews.blogspot.com.es/20...ppened-to.html
    ---------------------------

    Experts in the huge corruption of the official legal and judicial systems.

    For those of you interested in knowing how deep and dark the corruption of the official legal and judicial systems really goes, I’d suggest watching also these videos and links by Bill Windsor and Richard L Koenig:

    - Bill Windsor, expert in the corruption of the legal and judicial system in the USA.

    http://www.lawlessamerica.com/

    http://www.lawlessamerica.com/index....ews&Itemid=236

    Lawless America Movie Trailer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE8ARX6eRHM

    Lawless America YouTube channel
    https://www.youtube.com/user/lawlessamerica/about

    - Richard L Koenig, expert in the corruption of the legal and judicial system in the USA. Richard is specifically an expert in the corruption in the State of Oregon.

    Quote Richard L Koenig - I Got Better
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    (8 min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNATjp6z2GM

    Interview: Richard Koenig with Bill Windsor of Lawless America
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    (59 min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHsXzu_UrTc
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    Hitler learns Burns Oregon is occupied

    Published on Feb 12, 2016
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    Hi everyone,

    This post is just to offer additional data which might help to clarify the info explained in my previous post.

    The following letter by Judge Anna von Reitz to the lawyer of Ammon Bundy with regards to the Oregon situation is just an example of the type of legal-lawful reasoning Judge Anna is using to explain the subject of Common Law versus Maritime Law and all the implications it has for all of us, the regular people.

    This letter by Judge Anna explains different legal and lawful aspects about the current situation of Ammon Bundy, Cliven Bundy, the people who have indicted, how the official Judicial system really works, the lawyers who are working in this case, etc.

    You’ll be able to see many more articles like this one in the following website:

    Quote Are You Aware - This is crucial for Ammon Bundy
    February-6-2016

    http://www.paulstramer.net/2016/02/a...for-ammon.html
    This letter was sent late this afternoon to Ammon Bundy's attorney. I believe Mike Arnold is a well-intentioned man, but like most American Lawyers, he probably hasn't ever been taught these facts. So I told him and left the door open for him to ask more and to do the right thing in securing the release of all those who were attacked by the FBI in Oregon for lack of jurisdiction.

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    To Mike at the Arnold Lawfirm

    From Judge Anna Maria Riezinger,

    Most lawyers trained in American law schools in the past fifty years have NOT been trained about land jurisdiction, nor have they been properly trained about the jurisdiction of the air, either.

    But prior to that time, those who are now late 70's, 80's, and 90's knew the Federal System and knew it well.

    Ammon Bundy is being mischaracterized as a "Domestic Terrorist"--- "Domestic" that is, with respect to the Federal United States, but he is not now and never was a Federal United States Citizen. He is a native of the Continental United States. The false presumption otherwise was created by fraud against him and his parents when he was just a baby to enrich the British Crown Corporation and pump up the war effort during WWII. After WWII they just continued press-ganging Americans into the foreign international jurisdiction of the sea. That fraud is about to come down on top of the perpetrators

    You would do well to avoid any implication in their misdeeds.

    Ammon Bundy has never knowingly or willingly operated as a "person" in his life. He has never operated a merchant marine vessel in any capacity whatsoever. He never knowingly volunteered to be a franchisee or sought any benefit of incorporation. Any action taken against him on the basis of these absurd and self-interested presumptions is an act of personage and those bringing these charges against him are actively involved----whether they know it or not--- in barratry.

    He is a plain old American Rancher and his Constitutional guarantees are being violated. Now that you know these facts it is up to you to bring it to the attention of your brethren in the court and to stop this travesty in its tracks.

    As you will see if you look at Amendment VII of the Constitution of the United States (which says verbatim the same as the actual Constitution through Amendment 12) you will see that living people are owed Common Law and Ammon Bundy is owed Common Law and a trial by jury of his peers--- meaning men and women like him who are aware of their guarantees and their position as "free sovereign and independent people of the United States" ---- not British Subject "inhabitants" here to provide essential governmental services.

    Ammon and his co-defendants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the sea nor to any "Special Admiralty" court venue. They are non-Domestic, non-resident aliens with respect to you and your entire Court System and you have been duly advised. We require actual justice, not just an appearance thereof.

    You've agreed to be his attorney, but you can't be his attorney because you are a Bar Member. At best you can be a faithful Counselor, but I doubt that the Court will pay your share of the performance bonds if you do.

    I know you don't want to hear this, but it is true. Your United States Grand Jury is welcome to bring an indictment against the Bundy family and our Federal Grand Jury is welcome to bring an indictment against all the foreign agents masquerading as "FBI" and "BLM" and also against those members of the "US District" Court System who are pretending to be operating within their charter.

    I will leave it to you to figure out whether the tail really wags the dog or not. We are here to answer any questions you might have.

    Judge Anna Maria Riezinger

    (907) 250-5087
    ........etc.

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    It is ironic that Cliven Bundy makes the constitutional argument that the BLM, etc, do not have jurisdiction on their BundyRanch page here, by citing Article I, Sec. 8, Clause 17, etc, but he goes to court and asks for a court-appointed attorney?

    I would have thought he would have known better than to admit/submit to the jurisdiction of this "federal" court by asking them to pay for his attorney/officer-of-the-court.

    Why didn't he make a Special Appearance to Challenge Jurisdiction at the onset? I mean, this was his issue. There is certainly no shortage of knowledgeable people in the patriot community that could have written or helped/guided him to write the paperwork. He could have even stated it verbally in court. He could have immediately forced the court to address the issue of jurisdiction. In fact he could have thought ahead and had the paperwork all ready to go. WTF!?

    This is perhaps another reason why so many patriots (including Oathkeepers) didn't want to get involved in this whole Bundy Malheur mess.
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    Hi everyone,

    This is the audio recording of a phone conversation between LaVoy Finicum and several militia men who are advising him what steps are best to take next for their personal security and the success of the whole Oregon Standoff operation.

    I am not sure if this conversation took place the very same day LaVoy died or very close to that day.

    This conversation is quite important (in my opinion), and I’ll explain why below.

    Quote Burns Oregon--RED ALERT--THIS AUDIO NEEDS TO GET OUT! Real reason LaVoy was murdered! part 3
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    (14 min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T2i-WG9hj0
    The reason why this conversation is important (in my opinion) is this one:

    The militia men are telling LaVoy that the FBI is about ready to take action against them (the people at the Wildlife Refuge), and that it is very important that their work of waking up people continues because they (LaVoy & Co.) are having great success at it (waking up ranchers, educating them about the BLM land grabs, about their rights, etc.)

    The militia men advise LaVoy that their work would be more effective if they could move their operation to a County where they could have the support of a Constitutional Sheriff (such as Sheriff Palmer).

    That would have a lot of advantages: they would be protected by that Sheriff and his community, and more ranchers will join the freedom movement. This will also give them a better image on the MSM, because now they would not be standing in a County where some people did not want them to stay, but in a more favourable zone.

    So, perhaps that was the reason why LaVoy was so determined to get to John Day and talk to Sheriff Palmer?

    In case it was, that is also, perhaps, the real reason why the FBI attacked LaVoy that very same day in order to prevent them from getting to the safety zone of Sheriff Palmer’s County.

    If LaVoy and Co. (Ammon Bundy, etc.) had been able to reach John Day and talk to Sheriff Palmer, they might have been able to succeed in their goal of continuing the operation of waking up many, many, many more ranchers and, therefore, to counter the abuses and outright criminality of the elite (Federal government, etc.)

    See? That’s what the elite are really afraid of: for people to get educated about the criminality of the elite and wake up in mass. That would be the worst scenario from the elite’s point of view.

    The elite don’t want to talk or negotiate. The elite simply don’t want for the truth to spread out any further.

    Therefore (and this is a hypothesis now), that’s probably why the elite’s thugs (FBI-mercenaries) decided to stop LaVoy and Co. so suddenly and in such a violent way (murdering them if necessary).

    Right now this is only a hypothesis, but it makes sense.

    What do you think?

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    Quote Posted by qbeac (here)
    Hi everyone,

    This is the audio recording of a phone conversation between LaVoy Finicum and several militia men who are advising him what steps are best to take next for their personal security and the success of the whole Oregon Standoff operation.

    I am not sure if this conversation took place the very same day LaVoy died or very close to that day.

    This conversation is quite important (in my opinion), and I’ll explain why below.

    Quote Burns Oregon--RED ALERT--THIS AUDIO NEEDS TO GET OUT! Real reason LaVoy was murdered! part 3
    shuff1111
    (14 min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T2i-WG9hj0
    The reason why this conversation is important (in my opinion) is this one:

    The militia men are telling LaVoy that the FBI is about ready to take action against them (the people at the Wildlife Refuge), and that it is very important that their work of waking up people continues because they (LaVoy & Co.) are having great success at it (waking up ranchers, educating them about the BLM land grabs, about their rights, etc.)

    The militia men advise LaVoy that their work would be more effective if they could move their operation to a County where they could have the support of a Constitutional Sheriff (such as Sheriff Palmer).

    That would have a lot of advantages: they would be protected by that Sheriff and his community, and more ranchers will join the freedom movement. This will also give them a better image on the MSM, because now they would not be standing in a County where some people did not want them to stay, but in a more favourable zone.

    So, perhaps that was the reason why LaVoy was so determined to get to John Day and talk to Sheriff Palmer?

    In case it was, that is also, perhaps, the real reason why the FBI attacked LaVoy that very same day in order to prevent them from getting to the safety zone of Sheriff Palmer’s County.

    If LaVoy and Co. (Ammon Bundy, etc.) had been able to reach John Day and talk to Sheriff Palmer, they might have been able to succeed in their goal of continuing the operation of waking up many, many, many more ranchers and, therefore, to counter the abuses and outright criminality of the elite (Federal government, etc.)

    See? That’s what the elite are really afraid of: for people to get educated about the criminality of the elite and wake up in mass. That would be the worst scenario from the elite’s point of view.

    The elite don’t want to talk or negotiate. The elite simply don’t want for the truth to spread out any further.

    Therefore (and this is a hypothesis now), that’s probably why the elite’s thugs (FBI-mercenaries) decided to stop LaVoy and Co. so suddenly and in such a violent way (murdering them if necessary).

    Right now this is only a hypothesis, but it makes sense.

    What do you think?
    Yes, this conversation with Stewart Rhodes of Oathkeepers, LaVoy and others appears to explain why they violently ambushed LaVoy and the Bundys and left no chance for escape. I can imagine what the attackers were told something like --"Do whatever it takes to make sure they never get to Grant County".

    It also explains why LaVoy was so adamant about getting to Grant County.

    It's good to know that Oathkeepers' founder/director Steward Rhodes urged them to go to Grant County with a constitutional sheriff. Unfortunately, they did not heed his advice quickly enough.

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    Hello people,

    This is a good and brief summary of LaVoy’s ambush and killing, and also a “call to action” for all good people in the world.

    The big problem I see with this petition is that it is directed to the official authorities (politicians, bosses of the FBI, etc.), and we already know that many of those so called “official authorities” are deeply corrupt and are the ones who are causing the problem to begin with. Therefore, they will probably try to do a cover up instead of a honest investigation.

    But in any case, I think this petition is a good starting point for rising public awareness about the problem.

    However, we the people need to do a lot more than just these types of petitions.

    Quote A CALL TO MILITIA TO PROTECT RANCHERS
    Sunday, February 14, 2016
    http://nesaranews.blogspot.com.es/20...-ranchers.html
    Very well written and supported analysis of the illegal roadblock set up to stop Finicum
    https://www.facebook.com/loren.pearc...08252511221071

    Petitioning Governor Kate Brown and 1 other

    Malicious intent to harm passengers in Finicum truck by Oregon and Federal officials

    Bundy and Finicum Project
    https://www.change.org/organizations...inicum_project
    https://www.change.org/p/malicious-i...aw-enforcement

    On January 26, 2016, driver LaVoy Finicum and four (4) passengers: Ryan Paine, Shawna Cox, Victoria Sharp (an 18 year old singer who had missed her ride with family) and Ryan Bundy, were traveling to John Day, Oregon, to deliver a presentation on the constitutional support of their actions. About 50 miles from their destination, they were stopped by vehicles with flashing lights.

    Upon sticking his unarmed hands out of the window, Ryan Paine attempted to communicate with individuals who had caused the stop and was immediately met by a gunshot which hit the side view mirror.

    Because of a "shoot now, ask questions later" intent by the shooters, the driver, LaVoy Finicum decided to try and reach the town of John Day, seeking intervention from the local sheriff.

    A few miles ahead, they met a roadblock and were again detained in a deep snowbank. Shots were fired at the truck from the beginning and even after LaVoy was neutralized, multiple shots were fired at the truck, which was stuck in the snow.

    Shots continued at the truck for several minutes until the screams of the passengers caused a pause. A lethal, metal bullet lodged in Ryan Bundy's shoulder, not a rubber bullet.

    The acts of the shooters manifest a wanton disregard for the life and welfare of the passengers who were trapped in a disabled vehicle. The shooters had no idea who the passengers were, what their intent was or if they had been killed or injured. No passenger brandished a gun nor shouted any threats, rather they pleaded for mercy and for cessation of the shooting.

    Law enforcement manuals and court cases across the nation severely condemn unnecessary and excessive force when passengers are present and when there is no threat of harm to the officer(s). Even when a vehicle is still operable and/or still moving, most courts do not approve of shooting at passengers.

    In this case, the driver was down, the car disabled and the passengers showed not even a hint of threat to anybody. Nevertheless, the vehicle was blasted with a barrage of lethal bullets. If the American people were to allow such behavior without severe punishment to the offenders, a new precedent would be established that puts all of our lives in danger as more law enforcement are emboldened by their immunity from punishment.

    We call on Governor Kate Brown, FBI Director James B. Comey and other state and federal authorities to:
    1. Protect all evidence from spoilation and tampering

    2. Investigate the forensic evidence

    3. Release all videos and audio recordings of the incident including that of the passengers

    4. Punish the offenders, including those in charge, with the maximum penalties the law allows.
    For an eyewitness account please see: https://www.facebook.com/10547798312...type=2&theater

    https://www.change.org/p/malicious-i...m_medium=email

    Please go to the website, read the petition(s) and consider joining us in signing:
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    qbeac, TrumanCash,

    See my post Re: The death of Antonin Scalia HERE.

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    Quote Posted by TrumanCash (here)
    It was evident to me that the Malheur occupation was heavily and deeply infiltrated with federal spies reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

    In the video below Alex Jones covers this subject vis-a-vis the Bundys and I think makes some good points (without ranting).


    This article confirms that land rights activists lacked a clear plan, though ,admittedly I'm not sure what degree fed infiltration is responsible for this image. Also, it portrays the possibility that placing land under state control might result in private ownership by a very few very rich people..I know this post might not be popular here but I think it is important to consider all viewpoints. Curiously one could decide that it confirms much of what Alex Jones says but in a different context.

    "I went to the Malheur looking for kindred spirits. I found the mad, the fervent, the passionately misguided. I found the unknowing pawns of an existential chess game, in which we are, all of us, now caught. Driving home across the snow-packed Malheur Basin, through mile after mile of sage, with towering basalt cliffs in the near distance, herds of mule deer appearing as gray specks in the tongues of slide rock and wind-exposed yellow grass, I did not wonder what Edward Abbey would have said about all of this, or Kropotkin or the lugubrious monarchist Thomas Hobbes. I thought instead of the old C.S. Lewis books of my childhood, and of Lewis’ writings on the nature of evil, where evil is never a lie, because lying implies creation, and evil, by its nature, has no creative power. Instead, the nature of evil is to take a truth and twist it, sometimes as much as 180 degrees. Love of country becomes hatred of those we believe don’t share our devotion, or don’t share it the same way. The natural right of armed self-defense becomes the means to take over a wildlife refuge, to exert tyranny on those who work there, or those who love the place for the nature it preserves in a world replete with man’s endeavors. "

    https://www.hcn.org/articles/malheur...ic-lands-essay
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    Quote Posted by annacherie (here)
    This article confirms that land rights activists lacked a clear plan-not sure what degree fed infiltration is responsible for this image. https://www.hcn.org/articles/malheur...ic-lands-essay
    Correct, annacherie.

    However, in the beginning these land rights activists were mostly farmers and ranchers, the majority of which had no idea of the huge can of worms and all that it entails that they were about to pop open.

    When they started asking for help and support, and they got it, it grew rapidly into something more than they were equipped or prepared to handle.

    In the end all of their help and support had left, leaving them with no way out.

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    qbeac, TrumanCash,

    See my post Re: The death of Antonin Scalia HERE.
    Thanks a lot, Harley. I have not done any research about Scalia, but it would not surprise me one bit if he had been murdered, considering the violent covert war is taken place behind the scene between the White Hats and the corrupt elite.

    And the Oregon situation is only a small part of that war. But the complete war goes up many levels, all the way up to the UFO-ET matter (as many of you in this forum already know).

    I’ve posted an Scalia related post in this other thread:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1046487

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    On another front, these are really good YouTube channels in relation to the Oregon situation (LaVoy, Bundy’s, etc.). These channels are posting great info about it.

    - shuff1111 – YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/user/shuff1111/videos

    - Bravo Von Muller – YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4G...ONXA7Mw/videos

    - Professor Doom1 – YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/user/ProfessorDoom1/videos

    - Revolution Radio – YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/user/weaponizedtalkradio/videos

    - Pete Santilli YouTube channel:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/PeterSantilliTV

    - Who Is Sincere?
    https://www.youtube.com/c/WhoIsSincere
    https://www.youtube.com/user/NJHomeGrownStudios/videos

    - Call of Duty Goddess – YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8L...KduR2cg/videos

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    When it comes to intepreting the Constitution, simplistic answers do not always satisfy.

    "To liberal legal scholars, originalism looked dead by the middle of the 1980s. Academics had argued that there was just no reliable way to figure out the intentions of long dead people about matters they had never thought about. And in 1985, a famous paper by the constitutional historian H. Jefferson Powell showed that people like James Madison and Alexander Hamilton didn’t themselves believe that later interpreters should seek guidance in their intentions. Originalism seemed to be at war with itself."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/15/op...bc-region&_r=0

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    Hi people,

    This is a quick note about several important details about LaVoy’s murder.

    It is a hypothesis that, if correct, may prove he was indeed murdered.

    But it is just a “hypothesis”. Let’s see what you think. And if any of you can find corroborating or contradictory data, please, let us know it. Thanks.

    This is the hypothesis:

    - If you look closely to the FBI drone video footage, the FBI agent who quickly approaches LaVoy from the back and apparently “shoots him”, in reality may not be carrying in his left hand a rifle, nor a small gun, but a “Taser Wand” or a “Stun Gun Baton”, similar to this one:

    - That hypothesis is explained in more detail in these videos:

    Quote Breaking: Lavoy Finicum Tased By OSP Implicates Murder By The Feds
    Press For Truth
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qup47XJGIl4

    Zoomed Just Tree Cop up close Oregon
    CRAASHNBURN
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNWARKYoRd8
    - Shawna Cox says in her interviews that she thinks LaVoy had a bullet proof vest:

    Quote Shawna Cox interview transcript, Jan-30-2016
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...c?pref=2&pli=1

    Shawna Cox: I’m almost positive he [LaVoy] had a bullet proof vest on, okay.
    - If that was the case (and we’ll have to wait and see if the independent investigation corroborates it or not), it may have been the reason why LaVoy was able to withstand several gun shots without falling down and while his hands were up in the air. But even with a bullet proof vest, the gun shots are painful, and that may be the real reason why he lowered his hands.

    - However, the taser seems to have been what made LaVoy finally fall to the ground (or the snow), and not the gun shots.

    - Shawna Cox also says that when she finally exited the vehicle, she looked at LaVoy’s body in the snow but she did not see any wounds or blood on him:

    Quote 30 minutes of chaos: Witness details events of Finicum shooting
    By Les Zaitz | The Oregonian/OregonLive. February 06, 2016

    http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta...itness_de.html

    Excerpt: As she [Shawna] stepped toward the back of the truck [LaVoy’s truck], "I see that a wheel is still spinning in the snow. The truck is still running." The video shows occasional wisps of smoke, but it's unclear if this is from the spinning tires.

    And then she saw Finicum. She was struck by one detail given that he had fallen backward in the snow: "He still had his hat on and his glasses."

    She [Shawna] looked for his wounds. "I saw no blood. I saw no injuries. I could see his face," she said.
    - However, the days previous to LaVoy’s funeral, it was rumoured that the funeral was going to be a closed casket because LaVoy was badly injured in his face.

    Quote Eyewitness: Oregon Militiaman Murdered by Cops; “He Had His Hands in the Air”
    Daughter: “He was shot in the face”
    Paul Joseph Watson. Prison Planet.com. January 27, 2016
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/eyewitne...n-the-air.html

    Excerpt: Finicum’s daughter Thara Lynn Tenney posted a message on her Facebook page last night asserting that her father had already surrendered before he was gunned down.

    “I want the world to know how my father was murdered today. His hands were in the air and he was shot in the face by the American authorities…. etc.
    If that was so (and I am not sure), where did the face wounds come from? How and when did LaVoy receive those wounds in his face?

    - In these 2 videos, they suggest that LaVoy’s wounds in his face may have been inflicted upon him at the very end when he was in the snow and everybody had already exited the vehicle.

    According to these videos, those wounds may have been made by an FBI agent shooting LaVoy directly in the head at close range. I don’t know if this hypothesis is correct, but take a look at the video and see what you think.

    Quote Zoomed Possible Coup De Grace on Mr LaVoy Maybe
    CRAASHNBURN
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfPkqIiuuYY

    Oregon Standoff ALERT!! LaVoy shot in the head while on the ground?!!!? Watch as his head jerks?!!?
    James D.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLVKY8aLFgM
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    So, this is the hypothesis in short:

    1) In case LaVoy was tasered and that’s what made him fall down, and

    2) considering that Shawna Cox says she did not see wounds in his face when she exited the vehicle,

    3) “where” did the head wounds come from and “when” were they inflicted upon him?

    If they were inflicted “after” he was tasered, and after Shawna Cox exited the vehicle, then, that would be another proof he was intentionally murdered.

    In any case, we’ll have to wait for the independent investigation and see what it says.
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    Quote According to these videos, those wounds may have been made by an FBI agent shooting LaVoy directly in the head at close range. I don’t know if this hypothesis is correct, but take a look at the video and see what you think.
    Revisit Post #131.

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    Shot in the head twice at close range, after he was already down?
    A Former Soldiers Message about LaVoy Finicum's Murder

    Published on Feb 8, 2016
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    As a Former Soldier and schooled in Policing, I am disgusted by this Obvious as hell Murder. They were forced into a kill zone. Sickening.

    * You can see quite clearly that the guy walks over to Finicum, crouches down, and points something directly in his face.

    * You can see not quite so clearly, because of the movement of the drone video, what appears to be a backward-jerking motion of the guy's hands, the guy resets his point at Finicum's face, another backwards-jerking motion, and then the guy stands up and walks away.

    * It cannot be claimed that this guy was checking Finicum's pulse, because at no point during this sequence does the guy actually physically touch Finicum.

    * I seriously doubt that this guy was taking pictures.

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    Dennis Lynch interviews Shawna Cox.

    HARNEY COUNTY, Ore. (INTELLIHUB) — It looks as the story has now taken a twist, after Shawna Cox, a witness to LaVoy Finicum’s death, came forth, exposing the fact that she filmed the entire event on video, which was soon after confiscated by the FBI.

    Moreover, in a bombshell statement, Cox also said she feels the reason they were ambushed by authorities was because they had “many documents” in their possession which show the illegalities of area land grabs, such as the Hammond case, conducted by federal agencies.

    Video at:
    https://www.facebook.com/DMLdaily/vi...5973155108807/
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    The Hammonds were charged with terrorism, but this video reveals who the real terrorists are:



    In the first three minutes Ammon Bundy talks about the Hammonds and introduces video footage of BLM burning out ranchers and burning cattle alive! BLM terrorism begins at 3:20 on video.

    This BLM arson terrorism was video recorded just a few miles from the Hammond ranch and less than two weeks after the Hammonds' sentencing.

    The irony is this video reveals that the BLM is committing the very same crime that the Hammonds are serving time for.
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