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    Default The sheer volume of concrete and steel that simply vanished on 9/11

    hello Siblings,

    I thought i was familiar with all the evidence on 9/11 until is saw this.

    This video was distributed by richplanet.tv: Highly recommended.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yapQLt4DChg

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    Default Re: The sheer volume of concrete and steel that simply vanished on 9/11

    Welcome to Dr. Judy Wood, an amazing woman, right up there with Rebekkah Roth IMHO. This is very well done, especially the graphics that really give the much needed visuals in a crystal clear way.

    Here's the youtubes from the link above:











    One thing that comes to mind, in seeing the holes in the other WTC buildings, appearing to be cored out as from a drill:



    is where were the beams shot from? Plane, drone, satellite, space station? Had to be shot from somewhere! I wonder if anyone has tried to figure this out.
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    Default Re: The sheer volume of concrete and steel that simply vanished on 9/11

    Just that one image is amazingly strange 0.o

    I haven't seen the above image before, the little bridge of building still in place between the 2 cored out holes?
    That suggests to me very low impact, really dose look like an energy weapon/phenomena did just vaporize the building, either from above or below?

    The whole thing is straight out of a Super hero comic book/film, as if the evil ones demonstrated their powers by hitting the buildings with their advanced civilizations super weapons!
    But this really happened?
    Not by others, by our own kind, but the psycho, deranged ones of us (So deranged as not to actually be classifiable as humans anymore, if that is they actually ever where!)

    The little that was left of the buildings was rapidly gathered and shipped away, not left for analyse, cleared away so fast as if pre-planed!
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    Excellent compilation and a new take on building seven for me.

    9/11 was the catalyst for many agendas , scams and criminality
    that is still being played out in the Middle East from a direct
    Neo-Con and others link from pre to post 9/11, to Syria today.

    9/11 was definitely an inside job imo !!

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    I have just found this interview Judy Wood gave to Theo Chalmers I have not seen
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    Default Re: The sheer volume of concrete and steel that simply vanished on 9/11

    Didn't a large part of the structure just fell into the basement?
    There where testimonials from people who claimed that bombs went of there.

    I haven't read her book yet, but from what was shown in the 5 vids, I cannot conclude that the buildings simply dustified by means of a free energy device.
    Two particular shots of steel structures/beams that where presented as vaporizing in mid air could just as easily (and most probably) have been swallowed by the dust, clouding it from the eyes vision.

    Thermite and explosives (maybe even nuclear,which would account for some pulverization) are still my main suspects, but hey, most of the physical evidence is destroyed by now, so we will probably never know what really happened.
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    Default Re: The sheer volume of concrete and steel that simply vanished on 9/11

    I know this does not explain all the missing debris but I think the dust which spread out thick for blocks would account for a lot of that debris.
    Its like when a volcano blows up and you wonder where did half the mountain go, well its the ash everywhere.

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    Default Re: The sheer volume of concrete and steel that simply vanished on 9/11

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    I know this does not explain all the missing debris but I think the dust which spread out thick for blocks would account for a lot of that debris.
    Its like when a volcano blows up and you wonder where did half the mountain go, well its the ash everywhere.
    One thing about your reply there EWO is:
    How did it all turn into dust in the first place?
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    I know this does not explain all the missing debris but I think the dust which spread out thick for blocks would account for a lot of that debris.
    Its like when a volcano blows up and you wonder where did half the mountain go, well its the ash everywhere.
    That's kind of exactly the point of what they are saying.... that the buildings turned to dust.

    there's some pretty good little video clips in this presentation of what we are told are steel beams reaching to around 700ft (and knowing the construction of the towers, they are the outer columns) disappearing, turning to dust.

    the problem here is that steel should not turn to dust, 110 stories of a building collapsing leaves a pile of beams usualy... youtube a few skyscraper demo's.. even a small building leaves a "pile" when controlled demo is used, there were no perceivable "piles" after 9/11.

    Example:


    and that's just 17 stories.



    here's 11 stories coming down, pile is probably 15-20ft high?
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    Didn't a large part of the structure just fell into the basement?
    There where testimonials from people who claimed that bombs went of there.

    I haven't read her book yet, but from what was shown in the 5 vids, I cannot conclude that the buildings simply dustified by means of a free energy device.
    Two particular shots of steel structures/beams that where presented as vaporizing in mid air could just as easily (and most probably) have been swallowed by the dust, clouding it from the eyes vision.

    Thermite and explosives (maybe even nuclear,which would account for some pulverization) are still my main suspects, but hey, most of the physical evidence is destroyed by now, so we will probably never know what really happened.
    Not sure the basement was that big.

    You can clearly see girders flying out away from the dust and dustifying.

    As for the Thermite, not sure about that either, the picture with a girder cut at an angle could of been done with a standard cutting torch and the photo taken after work men had already begun removing what was left over.
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    Quote Posted by Andrew (here)
    You can clearly see girders flying out away from the dust and dustifying.

    As for the Thermite, not sure about that either, the picture with a girder cut at an angle could of been done with a standard cutting torch and the photo taken after work men had already begun removing what was left over.
    Perhaps both were used? Maybe this was the first large scale use and contingencies were put in place... OR maybe termite WAS used specifically to catch up the "alt media" & misdirect... who knows?


    I'm not so sure this is evidence of free energy, but it maybe.
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    Quote Posted by EWO (here)
    I know this does not explain all the missing debris but I think the dust which spread out thick for blocks would account for a lot of that debris.
    Its like when a volcano blows up and you wonder where did half the mountain go, well its the ash everywhere.
    One thing about your reply there EWO is:
    How did it all turn into dust in the first place?
    I didnt say it all turned to dust. I think a lot of the concrete did. You can see it being generated as the building was coming down. As for the metal, it would have to be melted by high heat from thermite or perhaps the nuclear source.
    Melted metal would not have been sticking out of the ground but rather spread out on the bottom, which would explain the fires that continued to burn after wards.

    Im curious what did the cleanup crew remove afterwards. Was it trucks full of mostly melted metal and other debris that could not turn to dust.

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    Quote Posted by EWO (here)
    I didnt say it all turned to dust. I think a lot of the concrete did. You can see it being generated as the building was coming down.
    It actually was coming out of (just one side) of the building for HOURS before it WTC1 fell, just a constant huge cloud of dust for hours from every single inch of 110 stories (ground to top floor)... that's a LOT of mass removal in a very strange fashion.


    Quote Posted by EWO (here)
    As for the metal, it would have to be melted by high heat from thermite or perhaps the nuclear source.
    The suposition by Dr wood is that a directed energy weapon was used on the building to destabilize the matter (make steel "dustify" breaking apart the molecular bonds as it were...)... what we saw could have been a large scale test of a weapon system.

    Quote Posted by EWO (here)
    Melted metal would not have been sticking out of the ground but rather spread out on the bottom, which would explain the fires that continued to burn after wards.
    the fires that burned in the sub basement was certainly caused by molten steel, the temps were too hot for anything else... was that a part of the directed energy thing? I dunno, I haven't read Dr Wood's book; maybe it was from thermite that was used, maybe both were used?
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    Default Re: The sheer volume of concrete and steel that simply vanished on 9/11

    The first 4 mins show the centre of Building six and how the walls are still up as it
    is not that high and I presume the outer structure was still viable. In the top post
    vid it said that the smoke coming out of building seven was not due to fire , but
    some sort of disintegration of the interior that caused the building to implode on
    itself like a controlled demolition. Building seven definitely came down like a
    controlled demolition, and whether that was by conventional or a more exotic
    method it certainly is still the smoking gun.




    Published on 28 Sep 2013


    Building 6 was a 1/2 million sq ft building with its core missing on september 11th
    2001 , the interior of the building is missing , it was not crushed or on fire ,no nano
    thermite , no mini nukes , or explosions the walls are intact the basement is intact
    the only thing that stands out is cardboard and wires have little to no damage . I
    also cover missing plane flight 93 in Shanksville a borough in Somerset County,
    Pennsylvania , and the missing plane flight 77 at the pentagon .and what
    Dustification of the world trade center means in layman's terms 11 container ships
    of building material not counting all the office furniture , computers , desk , doors ,
    filing cabinets etc etc turned to dust in 11 seconds like magic or science . You will
    not hear Richard Gage A&E911 truth architect and engineers talk about this , you
    will not hear Dr Steve Jones talking about building 6 . You will not hear scholars for
    911 truth talking about world trade center 6 in media , you will not hear the crazys
    at veterans today explaining world trade center six , nor main stream media
    mention WTC 6 . I,v never heard alternative media like David Icke , Jeff Rense , red
    ice creations , Alex Jones, infowars , prison planet , drudge report or any media
    anywhere talking about this or showing it , maybe they don,t realize but they will
    have to at some point . The only people asking questions and promoting these facts
    is Dr Judy Wood . Everyone else is hanging on to and promoting nano thermite and
    they refuse to consider another narrative , building six is something they never had
    to consider until now . It should be interesting as this video finds its way out to
    them and they have to reconsider something else turned the towers and world
    trade center complex into dust is something that should be considered a priority
    now . Going where the evidence leads , is the easiest and ethical path to take .



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    That's kind of exactly the point of what they are saying.... that the buildings turned to dust.

    there's some pretty good little video clips in this presentation of what we are told are steel beams reaching to around 700ft (and knowing the construction of the towers, they are the outer columns) disappearing, turning to dust.

    the problem here is that steel should not turn to dust, 110 stories of a building collapsing leaves a pile of beams usualy...
    Quote Posted by Andrew (here)
    You can clearly see girders flying out away from the dust and dustifying.
    Hi Target and Andrew, maybe it is a bit too much to ask, but could you point me toward the section(s) of the 5 vids that have you convinced that steal beams are being dustified in mid air? Maybe even with a direction in what part of the screen the beam can be seen.

    When I watch the 5 vids, there are two specific moments in which the commentator says that steal beams are being dustified and this is not the first thing that comes to mind when I watch those specific scenes.



    1) At min 3:45 you see a part of the outer column at the top of the building fall down, allegedly turning into dust.
    But if you look closely to the surrounding of that falling part of outer column, is it not more logical to assume that this part of column is falling into clouds of dust that are beneath it, being pushed outward, forming a cloud of dust in which this column gets obscured from vision?

    2) At min 4:40 you see a still standing part of the outer column beginning to fall down in it's own footprint.
    If you take into account that seconds before, a whole skyscraper has fallen down next to it, it would be logical to assume that there have been a lot of dust particles settling down onto the still standing outer column. When this part of the outer column starts to fall down, the laws of physics dictate that the inertia of the dust particles on top of it would take a longer time to fall down. So when I see this scene, I deduct that this section of the outer column falls down into its own footprint and the dust particles on top of it eventually obscure it from vision, creating an illusion of it turning into dust.
    In this youtube, the same section coming down is shown from different angles and at the 0:40 minute part, it is more clear to see that it is actually falling down, without turning into dust.

    btw: There is another truther/researchers who's name now escapes me (something like Dan Beagle) who used this exact scene as evidence that nukes where used, also claiming that this section of the building turned to dust.

    In fact, most of what was left of the towers where the steel columns. This can easily be verified by some searching in the web.

    Quote Posted by Andrew (here)
    As for the Thermite, not sure about that either
    Well, dust samples that where collected at the scene contained nano particles of molten metal, which is a smoking gun for the
    presence of thermite.
    a source

    Maybe she makes a better case for the existence of a free energy device in her book, but from these vids, I can only deduct that the evidence is flawed to say the least.

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    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    btw: There is another truther/researchers who's name now escapes me (something like Dan Beagle) who used this exact scene as evidence that nukes where used, also claiming that this section of the building turned to dust.

    In fact, most of what was left of the towers where the steel columns. This can easily be verified by some searching in the web.

    Quote Posted by Andrew (here)
    As for the Thermite, not sure about that either
    Well, dust samples that where collected at the scene contained nano particles of molten metal, which is a smoking gun for the
    presence of thermite.
    a source

    Maybe she makes a better case for the existence of a free energy device in her book, but from these vids, I can only deduct that the evidence is flawed to say the least.
    Nukes would make much more sense to me, this "particle beam" stuff is a bit fantastic for me... BUT, the lack of glass and toilets and file cabinets are pretty interesting & not as explained by nuclear explosion.

    I agree the "beams turning to dust" on video wasn't conclusive, though interesting when mixed with this "beam" idea... but definitely not proof of anything.

    "free energy" seems like a huge leap even if there is some "beam" used...

    I won't be buying the book
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    Default Re: The sheer volume of concrete and steel that simply vanished on 9/11

    The same person who willingly (not stolen) provided Rebekah Roth with some 600 GBytes (on a terabyte drive) of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) data also provided me with that FOIA data. In addition, that person provided me with some images of the World Trade Center area. One of the images was a 4262x4620 pixel high resolution aerial shot of the World Trade Center, soon after 9/11.

    Here's a cropped and reduced resolution version of that image. The orange lines are clearly distinguished as cranes in the higher resolution images linked further down. North is to the right, the Hudson river is just visible to the west (top).
    ===

    Here's that image, further shrunk, with the (former) buildings labeled:
    You can observe that WTC 6 got a major hole blown out of its middle, that the south (left) half of WTC 4 is gone, and that all of WTC 3 is gone, in addition to WTC 1, 2 and 7.

    ===

    Here's a link to the full resolution image, cropped to just the 4262x4620 pixels near the WTC (6.5 Mbytes):
    http://thepythoniccow.us/wtc_aerial_4262x4620.jpg
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    Here's a link to the entire image, same full resolution, but a wider area, 9372x9372 pixels (14.7 Mbytes):
    http://thepythoniccow.us/wtc_aerial_large_area.jpg
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    Default Re: The sheer volume of concrete and steel that simply vanished on 9/11

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    Quote Posted by Eram (here)
    btw: There is another truther/researchers who's name now escapes me (something like Dan Beagle) who used this exact scene as evidence that nukes where used, also claiming that this section of the building turned to dust.

    In fact, most of what was left of the towers where the steel columns. This can easily be verified by some searching in the web.

    Quote Posted by Andrew (here)
    As for the Thermite, not sure about that either
    Well, dust samples that where collected at the scene contained nano particles of molten metal, which is a smoking gun for the
    presence of thermite.
    a source

    Maybe she makes a better case for the existence of a free energy device in her book, but from these vids, I can only deduct that the evidence is flawed to say the least.
    Nukes would make much more sense to me, this "particle beam" stuff is a bit fantastic for me... BUT, the lack of glass and toilets and file cabinets are pretty interesting & not as explained by nuclear explosion.

    I agree the "beams turning to dust" on video wasn't conclusive, though interesting when mixed with this "beam" idea... but definitely not proof of anything.

    "free energy" seems like a huge leap even if there is some "beam" used...

    I won't be buying the book
    Copper wire under high voltage and current loading, over time.... will lose approximately 2 percent of it's mass, and go brittle.

    Most electricians are aware of the brittleness factor of copper with a history of extreme loading... and some are aware of the loss of mass aspect. Some outside of the electrical trades are aware of this.

    Few pay attention to the seemingly 'pure anomaly' aspect of this data point.

    One of those things that is sort of quietly known by some, but never talked about.

    It IS possible for a strong enough flash of particular kinds of energy to break the bonding in the cement. MAYBE. But it would probably fry every bit of neural, chemical,and muscular (etc) structure in a biological, within many city blocks. We'd of probably heard stories of spontaneous combustion and whatnot. The radiation breaching the entire vertical building structure, is probably not going to be happening.

    We do know that the buildings were basically condemned and it would have taken more expenditure to properly remove the asbestos in the building complex -----than the building complex was worth, if it had no asbestos in it. They were collectively known as one of the (if not the) greatest money pit white elephants in all landholding-building 'for sale' history.

    Anyone touching the buildings could not even afford to have the buildings plus a billion dollars given them..to buy the complex, as the cost of asbestos removal was well into the billions of cost and it was mandated that it had to be done. IIRC the port authority had the buildings in hand an no single buyer was ever going to be found, in any part of the world..... as the entire complex was built like a bomb that would kill any company or person who ever touched it.

    And suddenly Silverstien buys the complex.

    Which is utter complete bull****, so we know ---- just from the sales angle alone, that it was an inside job.
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    Default Re: The sheer volume of concrete and steel that simply vanished on 9/11

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    Copper wire under high voltage and current loading, over time.... will lose approximately 2 percent of it's mass, and go brittle.

    Most electricians are aware of the brittleness factor of copper with a history of extreme loading... and some are aware of the loss of mass aspect. Some outside of the electrical trades are aware of this.

    Few pay attention to the seemingly 'pure anomaly' aspect of this data point.

    One of those things that is sort of quietly known by some, but never talked about.
    well, copper (like most metals) work hardens & putting current through a line heats (which expands the metal) more during peek useage and less in the middle of the night (when it is also generally colder, which exacerbates the expansion /contraction of the copper).

    so IMO, that easily explains the situation.

    I've also used high voltage to "vaporize" copper and deposit it onto another surface (not as good as electroplating, but hey... I have a garage, not a lab!) I'm sure during these heavy load situations some of the copper is kicked free due to the expansion/contraction but I would have to further test for this to be satisfied that is the cause.



    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    It IS possible for a strong enough flash of particular kinds of energy to break the bonding in the cement. MAYBE. But it would probably fry every bit of neural, chemical,and muscular (etc) structure in a biological, within many city blocks. We'd of probably heard stories of spontaneous combustion and whatnot. The radiation breaching the entire vertical building structure, is probably not going to be happening.

    We do know that the buildings were basically condemned and it would have taken more expenditure to properly remove the asbestos in the building complex -----than the building complex was worth, if it had no asbestos in it. They were collectively known as one of the (if not the) greatest money pit white elephants in all landholding-building 'for sale' history.

    Anyone touching the buildings could not even afford to have the buildings plus a billion dollars given them..to buy the complex, as the cost of asbestos removal was well into the billions of cost and it was mandated that it had to be done. IIRC the port authority had the buildings in hand an no single buyer was ever going to be found, in any part of the world..... as the entire complex was built like a bomb that would kill any company or person who ever touched it.

    And suddenly Silverstien buys the complex.

    Which is utter complete bull****, so we know ---- just from the sales angle alone, that it was an inside job.
    yes, this was clearly a planned event with many many benefits for those who planned it (investigative documents lost, buildings that were condemned removed, wars started, more laws passed...) analyzing the move from 15 years later makes it seem like we are 5 year olds trying to play chess with a master & we are just now realizing what happened 15 moves ago.
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    Default Re: The sheer volume of concrete and steel that simply vanished on 9/11

    I was talking about all this in 2005, and earlier.

    Right in the middle of a fairly influential eastern seaboard/mid-south neocon repub nouveau-riche hangout area (a forum).

    I was like a member who had a multi-year history of being one of the guys .....who seemingly suddenly went bad on them.

    I managed to ignore most of their specious projected ideological crap, but then one of them went and started a few threads in late 2004 and early 2005, about how god had to bless the US soldiers in Iraq......and I blew a gasket. I started to pile on the data, all perfected, clean, delivered emotionlessly, and so on, right into their same said threads until I owned them and pwned any attempt to show me how wrong I was.....

    So much so, so well done.... that some of it managed to creep into the way the Rense.com site was run.

    So, yeah, I picked up some attention at the time.... and it is possible that the level of awareness in today's world, that some small part of it is possibly due to my writings from back in 2005.

    (but we've had this conversation before)

    My point is that the threat delivered to individuals who speak out, is tied to how close to the original event they are in time, and how they speak out, how well they speak out and how the flow of information they present ...how that data travels and influences.

    This was obvious to me back in 2005, and how big and powerful the given group had, as a grip, on the entire US and even international apparatus. In 2016, there are far far too many targets to try and bother with, when it comes to going after those who speak out or parrot any 9/11 data. In 2004-2005, it was quite different.

    In 2005...The event was a very near history and the perpetrators very much had their hand firmly in the cookie jar with jam all over their faces. Which made it a far more dangerous time to speak out loud.
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    I actually never looked at the videos this way before and it's like a light switch went off in my minds eye. Now when I see the footage it immediately looks like a kind of energy beam used from above. Was George Noory speaking on those videos. I love Noory, but .. . . http://coast-to-coast.livejournal.com/178242.html

    Some thoughts:

    The question is who has this tech
    - Another country (China, Russia?)
    - E.T. entities using as a threat
    - What if the force on the buildings is pulling from below, either underground or some form of destructive implosion device.

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