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    Default Re: 16-Year-old German Girl Pleads for Help From the Influx of Muslim Immigration (BANNED by FACEBOOK)

    Quote Posted by Althena (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Althena (here)
    Dennis wrote: "she is speaking from her fear center and is irrational due to emotion not founded on reality".

    Really Dennis?? Do you live in Germany?? I lived there for a year and have many friends in Deutschland, you wouldn't believe the stuff I hear.

    This girl sees her NEW REALITY happening around her every single day, this is her new life now and most of the citizens DO NOT WANT IT.They're too afraid to speak out the truth because they might be labeled racist.

    It's all fun and games until your daughter, son, wife, girlfriend or grandmother has a run in with these "people".

    Good luck
    More fear porn. I find your use of " these "people" " extremely offensive and ignorant.
    This is exactly what some of my liberal, PC correct friends would say after you share a dose of truth with them. Immediately attacking you by calling you offensive and ignorant, that's all they got.

    Why don't you go ahead and kill and ban these type of 'offensive" threads just like Facebook and see what happens.

    Freedom of speech is the concept of the inherent human right to voice one's opinion publicly without fear of censorship or punishment. "Speech" is not limited to public speaking and is generally taken to include other forms of expression.
    Perhaps you might read my words again. Did someone call you offensive and ignorant, or did you twist my calling the use of that phrase (with the double-whammy of putting the word people in quotes, as if they are not even people) offensive and ignorant, and did you accept it as your own personal attribute? (Does the shoe fit?)

    Ignorance can be cured with knowledge - there is no cure for stupidity. I'm always willing to engage in conversation even when ignorance is exposed, because if the person espousing the ignorant views is intellectually honest, knowledge can cure the ignorance. (We are all ignorant about some things, maybe even about most things - but if we are willing to allow knowledge to break through our ignorance, we can grow intellectually.)

    You haven't shared truth, you promoted an Elite-aligned, divisive, mainstream, ultra-right-wing, Islamaphobic perspective upon which you have scrawled the word truth. That doesn't make it truth.

    You cannot yell, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. Why do you think that is? Could it be that some people are not smart enough to realize that 'speech' can cause harm, and needs to be reigned-in by societal rules?


    Quote Posted by Althena (here)
    My freedom of speech will not be taken by Godd nor Government. I do not condone violence unless protecting family or other citizens but, my words will not be deemed as weapons. Sam I am, I do not like freaking green eggs and ham.
    But, your words are weapons when you promote the hate speech and incendiary remarks of another person - regardless if that person thinks that they are right. If you think Project Avalon is an "I can say anything that I want!" forum, (mistakenly believed to be 'free speech'), you're in for a rude awakening.

    You are also mistaking my responses to be adhering to "political correctness" when in fact I'm adhering to much more important concepts: that we are all brothers and sisters and that compassion is the most important attribute for a human being to practice. And, that lumping people together is ignorant.

    All Argentinians are _____________.

    All left-handed people are ___________.

    All gay people are _______________.

    All women are ________________.

    All Muslims are ______________.

    If you fill-in all of the blanks with the word "different" (or an equally intelligent answer) you are on the right track. If you cannot stop lumping people together, you have work to do.


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    Default Re: 16-Year-old German Girl Pleads for Help From the Influx of Muslim Immigration (BANNED by FACEBOOK)

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Althena (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Althena (here)
    Dennis wrote: "she is speaking from her fear center and is irrational due to emotion not founded on reality".

    Really Dennis?? Do you live in Germany?? I lived there for a year and have many friends in Deutschland, you wouldn't believe the stuff I hear.

    This girl sees her NEW REALITY happening around her every single day, this is her new life now and most of the citizens DO NOT WANT IT.They're too afraid to speak out the truth because they might be labeled racist.

    It's all fun and games until your daughter, son, wife, girlfriend or grandmother has a run in with these "people".

    Good luck
    More fear porn. I find your use of " these "people" " extremely offensive and ignorant.
    This is exactly what some of my liberal, PC correct friends would say after you share a dose of truth with them. Immediately attacking you by calling you offensive and ignorant, that's all they got.

    Why don't you go ahead and kill and ban these type of 'offensive" threads just like Facebook and see what happens.

    Freedom of speech is the concept of the inherent human right to voice one's opinion publicly without fear of censorship or punishment. "Speech" is not limited to public speaking and is generally taken to include other forms of expression.
    Perhaps you might read my words again. Did someone call you offensive and ignorant, or did you twist my calling the use of that phrase (with the double-whammy of putting the word people in quotes, as if they are not even people) offensive and ignorant, and did you accept it as your own personal attribute? (Does the shoe fit?)

    Ignorance can be cured with knowledge - there is no cure for stupidity. I'm always willing to engage in conversation even when ignorance is exposed, because if the person espousing the ignorant views is intellectually honest, knowledge can cure the ignorance. (We are all ignorant about some things, maybe even about most things - but if we are willing to allow knowledge to break through our ignorance, we can grow intellectually.)

    You haven't shared truth, you promoted an Elite-aligned, divisive, mainstream, ultra-right-wing, Islamaphobic perspective upon which you have scrawled the word truth. That doesn't make it truth.

    You cannot yell, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater. Why do you think that is? Could it be that some people are not smart enough to realize that 'speech' can cause harm, and needs to be reigned-in by societal rules?


    Quote Posted by Althena (here)
    My freedom of speech will not be taken by Godd nor Government. I do not condone violence unless protecting family or other citizens but, my words will not be deemed as weapons. Sam I am, I do not like freaking green eggs and ham.
    But, your words are weapons when you promote the hate speech and incendiary remarks of another person - regardless if that person thinks that they are right. If you think Project Avalon is an "I can say anything that I want!" forum, (mistakenly believed to be 'free speech'), you're in for a rude awakening.

    You are also mistaking my responses to be adhering to "political correctness" when in fact I'm adhering to much more important concepts: that we are all brothers and sisters and that compassion is the most important attribute for a human being to practice. And, that lumping people together is ignorant.

    All Argentinians are _____________.

    All left-handed people are ___________.

    All gay people are _______________.

    All women are ________________.

    All Muslims are ______________.

    If you fill-in all of the blanks with the word "different" (or an equally intelligent answer) you are on the right track. If you cannot stop lumping people together, you have work to do.
    It I was left handed Argentinian that wouldn't bother me either. What ever turns you on Mod, I don't have time to quarrel with you, the replies to my posts and participation speak for themselves...

    Delete the post and follow Marc if you must, there's a lot of members that see right through your views.

    People are waking up...

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    Default Re: 16-Year-old German Girl Pleads for Help From the Influx of Muslim Immigration (BANNED by FACEBOOK)

    You don't have time to quarrel, but you have time to post and then defend a video from a scared girl whose solution is to simply deport all the refugees that the USA (using NATO pawns) caused to be refugees with their phony war on terror, pretending to bomb the phony (US created and backed) ISIS. You make time to cross-post crap from godlikeproductions. You don't have time for intelligent discussion or time to educate yourself to dispel the ignorant, bigoted notions that you are preaching. You have time to drop a turd in Avalon's punch bowl, and you made time to bray about it. Looks like you're out of time.

    I hope the vast majority of Avalon members (and non-members that read Avalon) can see through the ignorant, bigoted, fear-based crap that you are regurgitating here.

    THIS is what the globalist-militarist-corporatist-bankster-Elite did to Syria and its people, but you don't have time to rant about the monsters, you're too busy ranting about a tiny percentage of refugees that are making a 16 year old German girl scared.





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    Default Re: 16-Year-old German Girl Pleads for Help From the Influx of Muslim Immigration (BANNED by FACEBOOK)

    It's vital that we all see the big picture...the real reasons these refugees are in the position they're in. The whole discussion should be framed in that reference. I thank Dennis for pointing that out. Yet I acknowledge that it's easy for me to say that from my cushy position in upstate NY.

    I don't know what percentage of refugees are causing trouble, but I take the boots-on-the ground testimony from our european avalonians very seriously. They clearly feel threatened....for a number of reasons. When members like Zebra speak up, members that have earned the respect of the forum over a long period of time, I have to take it very, very seriously..

    Its extremely unpleasant for everybody involved. I would be less than thrilled to be in a community being flooded with refugees...refugees of any religion. And yet, if I was a refugee myself, having endured all those hardships, I'd very likely be a pretty unpleasant visitor...not on my best behavior. The circumstances are very sh!tty for all those involved

    We all want someone to blame, but with all the tangled webs its not an easy task. Bankers and corporatists seem more like abstract notions than real, flesh n blood people. We know theyre responsible but we dont have faces to throw our darts at....so our frustrations go elsewhere. Let's try not to cast them on each other.

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    Default Re: 16-Year-old German Girl Pleads for Help From the Influx of Muslim Immigration (BANNED by FACEBOOK)

    Yes, the west is responsible for this influx of Muslims into Europe, and probably also Saudi Arabia who is also supporting ISIS in Syria.

    The best way to help these refugees would be to bring an end to the war in Syria as quickly as possible, and bring stability back to the Middle East in general, and begin rebuilding infrastructure there so that these people will not have to move.

    There are significant differences in culture and political values even between western nations. I'm sure we would all begin to remember these and think about them if the idea were suggested, for example, that the US and UK merge into a single nation. The political and cultural differences between western nations and Middle Eastern nations is even greater, and this is not a matter of opinion, nor are the differences trivial in their ultimate consequences. Even though we are entering an era of globalization and a lot of these differences are being eroded by popular mass media all over the world, there are still many parts of the Middle East where women must keep their bodies covered (think of the uproar feminists would have over that in the west), "honor killings" are acceptable for women who do not lose their virginity in an acceptable way, people have limbs cut off for stealing, and blaspheming the Islamic religion is a serious crime. These things occur to a varying degree across different Middle East nations, but they are not a fabrication of propagandists' imaginations.

    I have met Muslims from the Middle East who now live here in the US and are attending the local university. Most of them are women, and only one of them (from Iran) has embraced western values the same as Americans themselves do, and she does not want to return to Iran. The rest of them self-impose the old Islamic values they were raised with, covering their bodies and all the rest (covering the body only being an outward sign of their dedication to their religion), despite the fact that they no longer have to. I do not at all understand it, because I don't understand how religion is able to so thoroughly brainwash people, but it's how it is.

    A lot of devout Muslims coming out of these countries think that women should cover their bodies or else they are basically whores and deserve to be treated as such. This is what they are raised to believe and it is endorsed by the religious leaders in their home countries. I understand the "peace and love" kind of ideas, and that the intentions are honorable, but they're mostly a product of a very specific time and place, namely certain western nations through the 1960's and 70's, that other parts of the world do not understand and are simply not interested in.

    Quote Swedish Feminists Thread Needle Between Sexism and Racism in Migrant Controversy

    A scandal over alleged sexual assaults by migrants puts Sweden—renowned for its gender equality and its liberality—in a difficult place

    Even as Germany has grappled with a scandal over alleged sexual assaults involving migrants, Sweden has been embroiled in its own sexual assault controversy.

    It erupted on Jan. 11 after the liberal newspaper Dagens Nyheter reported leaked police memos indicating that Swedish police had covered up reports of groping and the sexual harassment of young girls at a Swedish music festival last summer by refugee youths. The story implied that the police covered-up the reports in order to avoid anti-immigrant sentiment.

    Sweden’s Prime Minister Stefan Löfven called the alleged cover-up a “double betrayal.” Björn Söder, an MP from the Sweden Democrats, a right-wing and anti-migrant party, called it “a scandal without equal”—though later in the week, a special prosecutor in Sweden announced that there would be no formal investigation because there was no evidence of any criminal wrongdoing by the police.

    Though the facts of what actually happened at the festival remain unclear, the controversy has raised questions in Sweden about whether the Scandinavian country’s liberal political values had stifled a more honest discussion about how to integrate migrants from the Islamic world who might not share those values—even as the response of right-wingers fed accusations of racism.
    http://time.com/4182186/sweden-femin...ault-refugees/


    I don't believe that the solution to the problems in the Middle East is simply to pick up everyone who's living there and move them all to Europe and America. We can't solve all of the worlds problem just by cramming millions of impoverished or suffering people into places that are better off. We have to stop the violence in their home countries and give them support there by helping them to rebuild.
    Last edited by A Voice from the Mountains; 1st February 2016 at 04:40.

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    Default Re: 16-Year-old German Girl Pleads for Help From the Influx of Muslim Immigration (BANNED by FACEBOOK)

    http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?n...rder=0&thold=0
    "Zbigniew Brzezinski not long ago revealed that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the American public and Congress, President Jimmy Carter secretly authorized $500 million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "de-stabilise" the Soviet Union...
    The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4 billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student"). "

    The state of Afghanistan before that operation
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...iban-rule.html


    We all know the state of Afghanistan and of its people after 35 years of war and religious degeneration...
    What they did in the 70's in Afghanistan they are now doing all over the middle east and in north Africa...

    Although most of the resulting refugees are still in the middle east

    they are now are now coming into Europe (which is designed to collapse) and they accompanied by degenerated elements

    The sad part in this story is that people like them


    will end up being lumped with degenerates like them


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    Default Re: 16-Year-old German Girl Pleads for Help From the Influx of Muslim Immigration (BANNED by FACEBOOK)

    Quote Posted by Althena (here)
    My freedom of speech will not be taken by Godd nor Government. I do not condone violence unless protecting family or other citizens but, my words will not be deemed as weapons.

    Your right to freedom of speech does not mean you can say anything, anywhere, without limit.

    Rather, it must be balanced with another equally important freedom, of like minded people to associate.

    Those who refuse to honor that balance, and who insist on their "right" to be disruptive or rude on this forum are sometimes removed, temporarily or permanently, from this forum.

    The Bastards in power are pretty obviously doing their best to turn us one against the other, by various means, including perennial war, massive lies, extreme brutality, and forced immigration. Let's not make their job easier.

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    Default Re: 16-Year-old German Girl Pleads for Help From the Influx of Muslim Immigration (BANNED by FACEBOOK)

    'People Are Shocked, People Are Scared' - A Letter From Germany

    Quote "If someone argues against the mainstream they would immediately be stamped as 'Rechtspopulist' or 'Nazi'. But you can also get in trouble with your employer, get charged with 'Volksverhetzung' (inciting racism) or other goodies. So people stay silent."
    Anonymous Sat, Jan 30, 2016


    ZDF's Dietmar Schumann. He paid a Russian bum $800 to lie in his Putin documentary. Outstanding!

    We recently wrote one of our volunteers in Germany to ask what ever happened with that extraordinary story which broke in mid-December about the main German television station ZDF paying a young Russian man to lie about fighting in the Ukraine in a vicious hatchet job documentary film about Putin called "Machtmensch Putin".

    Our headline at the time was "BUSTED: Fake Info in German Putin Film Could Explode into Major Scandal (Video)", and we really thought this might be the straw that breaks the camel's back, because Germans are already up in arms about their media's hard line against Russia.

    If you haven't seen the video in the article you really should - it is the craziest thing a serious news company could ever do. It is the ultimate smoking gun for every charge made over the past years that the German media are the biggest bunch of paid off liars, anywhere, and this is quite an achievement, considering the extreme swinishness of the UK and US media - witness the latest Litvinenko mud slinging fest.

    Apparently, one of ZDF's top TV correspondents, Dietmar Schumann, paid the princely sum of 50,000 rubles (about $800) to a young alcoholic drifter, shipped him to location, scripted him, etc. It is really quite extraordinary.

    Our correspondent answered that the story got lost in the Christmas lull and then the hullabaloo over horny immigrants assaulting fair German lasses, but that it will come back because a small avalanche of official complaints have been lodged with ZDF - this thing is not going away.

    Our correspondent's went on a bit about his feelings about what is going on in Germany and we found it quite interesting, and asked him if we could publish it, which he was glad to agree to, only he asked to keep his name anonymous.

    You see, people are scared to speak up in Germany. It is a sad condition for a once proud country.

    As one famous Russian recently put it, "They got such a drubbing in WW2 that they are still on their knees..."

    From "Anonymous", just an average German guy, a businessman in his late 40s:

    ...no, it was not "a big thing" in Germany (referring to the ZDF story). Maybe you’re surprised right now because I would agree with you: normally this should be a real scandal.

    So why did we miss it?

    The first reason: press and TV stations are lying and manipulating day by day. So people get used to it and deadened by all the junk coming from the press.

    The second reason and the more important one: the raid of 1000 Muslim men on German women in Cologne and other towns on New Year's eve was and is the overwhelming topic in media and the public discussion. Thus the other story quickly faded from the spotlight.

    What people angered more – because it is happening right in front of their doors – is the trial especially from the state TV stations (ARD and ZDF) to disguise and to downplay the true scale of this unbelievable event in Cologne.

    To give you a short impression of the people’s mood in the current situation in Germany and my personal reception what is going on here right now:

    At least after the Cologne riots people are shocked. Some of my German fellowmen are and were pretty much aware what Mrs. Merkel and her regime are staging here.

    But many are passive, many are coward and many hoped until end of 2015 that things might turn to a good end. Many hoped that maybe Mr. Seehofer – as a “white knight” - will help or Mrs. Merkel will become reasonable and they lived in their perfect idyll.

    But the Cologne ripped off the illusions. Now people are recognizing what’s really going on. Many are shocked and many are frightened what is yet to come.

    And now many become aware that they are manipulated and lied to by TV stations and mass media. But it is not limited to the media. We see the total failure of the government, the administration and the police who is very busy in looking just in the other direction when something is happening with refugees involved.

    But nevertheless people are very passive which is a very bad thing and hard to understand. They remain passive and are just looking while Mrs. Merkel is flushing Germany down the toilet within one year. Incredible.

    One has to admit that there is a real propaganda bombardment by TV stations and main stream media hammering in the heads of the people day by day:
    - Mrs. Merkel is so good
    - We have to help due to humanitarian reasons and due to our past
    - Putin is bad and Putin is the enemy
    And one has to admit that we see a “Meinungs- und Gesinnungsterror” in Germany (terror of opinions and attitudes). It is not that far away what we could observe in former “DDR”.

    If somebody would argue against the mainstream he immediately would be stamped as “Rechtspopulist” or “Nazi”. But you can also get trouble with your employer, get a charge for “Volksverhetzung” (inciting racism) and more other goodies. So people stay silent.

    After the Cologne events things changed slightly. Mainstream media now is trying desperately to slip into the role of a chief investigator and is trying to revamp its image.

    And the good thing is that printed media are steadily losing market share. By rule of thumb approx. 10 to 15% per year. Alternative media and blogs are gaining ground which helps that main stream media are going to lose their monopoly on opinions and so on.

    Me personally I was not very interested in politics and media. But when I watched the last winter games in Sochi I became aware that there was not just a negative mood towards Putin but there was a real hateful campaign going on in German TV and printed media. Putin is corrupt, Putin is bad, Putin is anti-democratic and so on.

    For me it became quite obvious that this was a well orchestrated media war on and against Putin and Russia.

    The same show repeated – of course – about the colorful Maidan revolution. And this was not just “ugly” but this turned dangerous.

    The media beat really the war drum. And the guys who were fueling this campaign are real criminals. This war propaganda can bring us very quickly and easily to the next big war. And unfortunately Germany would be directly involved in this conflict.

    I don’t know if you recall the next to war event in 1983 in the course of the NATO maneuver “Able Archer” around the borders of the former Soviet Union. Well, the Soviets were convinced this is a real assault preparation and they armed their nuclear bombers located in East Germany. This adventure brought us to the brink of a big new war.

    And during the Ukraine crisis our heroes like Mrs.v.d.Leyen intended to send German tanks to the Ukraine. That is nothing but crazy.

    I have been in Moscow and St. Petersburg several times in the late 1990’s due to business reasons and I always liked the country and the people.

    So this is my motivation to help a little bit with your portal.

    In case of any questions or for some additional German background information just ask… ;-)

    Best regards,
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    Default Re: 16-Year-old German Girl Pleads for Help From the Influx of Muslim Immigration (BANNED by FACEBOOK)

    Quote Posted by Houman (here)
    http://www.sianews.com/modules.php?n...rder=0&thold=0 :

    Quote "Zbigniew Brzezinski not long ago revealed that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the American public and Congress, President Jimmy Carter secretly authorized $500 million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "de-stabilise" the Soviet Union...

    The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4 billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student"). "
    [...]
    On that subject, a repost from (here):

    What "education" did in one generation:

    The US Has Been Giving Afghan Children Violent Books to Indoctrinate them to Jihad – It Worked

    By John Vibes on January 9, 2016


    ... the textbooks were published in the dominant Afghan languages of Dari and Pashtu and developed in the early 1980’s at a cost of $51 million.

    The Unites States government has played a crucial role in the development of the complex and volatile political situation that now exists in the Middle East, and they have had a heavy hand in influencing the region since the first world war.

    From propping up dictators to funding rebel groups for regime change, the U.S. and their allies have been creating monsters in the Middle East for generations. Western involvement in the region became more pronounced and more militarized during the Cold War, where the western allies and the Soviets fought proxy wars all over the world.

    Afghanistan was one of the primary battlegrounds where these proxy wars took place, and at the time, the U.S. military was supplying militants in Afganistan with training and weapons to be used against the Soviets who also had political and strategic interests in the region.

    The tactics used by the U.S. government extended far beyond traditional warfare and entered the realm of psychological warfare. From the Cold War period until very recently, the U.S. government spent millions of dollars supplying Afghan schoolchildren with propagandized textbooks that had violent images and militant jihadi teachings. The motive behind this propaganda was to actually radicalize the Afghan children so they would be more willing to fight against the Soviets when they got older.

    According to the Washington Post, the textbooks were published in the dominant Afghan languages of Dari and Pashtu and developed in the early 1980’s at a cost of $51 million.

    The schoolbooks were even approved by the Taliban because the teachings were not far off from their own worldview.

    This propaganda effort was only made public after the U.S. government went to war in Afghanistan in 2002 and it was revealed through the media that the western curriculum being taught in Afghan schools was actually promoting jihad.

    At the time, President Bush was forced to respond to the scandal, and he promised that the curriculum would be changed to reflect a more peaceful worldview. Bush promised that 10 million textbooks with updated curriculum would be sent to Afghan schools and he claimed that the new books would teach “respect for human dignity, instead of indoctrinating students with fanaticism and bigotry.”

    Chris Brown, head of book revision for AID’s Central Asia Task Force admitted that the textbooks were initially designed as anti-soviet propaganda.

    “I think we were perfectly happy to see these books trashing the Soviet Union,” Brown said.

    Although, he added the ideas in the textbooks were updated for a new era.
    “We turned it from a wartime curriculum to a peacetime curriculum,” he said of the new books.

    The textbooks had reportedly portrayed the society in Afghanistan of having a “warrior culture” that was destined to fight a holy war.

    Ahmad Fahim Hakim, an Afghan teacher who is very familiar with the books explained that “The pictures [in] the texts are horrendous to school students, but the texts are even much worse.”

    Many experts claim that these books are still in use today in Afghan schools, despite efforts from UNICEF to destroy them and replace them with their newer versions.

    According to a recent report from the Post, Dana Burde, an assistant professor of international education at New York University, says the Taliban is reprinting and using old U.S.-sponsored jihadist books to influence children in areas where the militants still hold sway. Burde says she found multiple reprinted copies of some of the texts, including a 2011 edition in the Pakistani city of Peshawar.

    As images of ISIS beheading their victims dressed in orange jumpsuits are plastered on televisions across the nation, and knowing that the US has been teaching this to children, hot air from the establishment decrying these acts rings hollow.

    Any government who would use innocent children as pawns and teach them to become vicious killers, for their own personal gain, is far beyond criminal…it’s downright evil.
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    Quote Posted by Mike (here)
    It's vital that we all see the big picture...the real reasons these refugees are in the position they're in. The whole discussion should be framed in that reference. I thank Dennis for pointing that out. Yet I acknowledge that it's easy for me to say that from my cushy position in upstate NY.

    I don't know what percentage of refugees are causing trouble, but I take the boots-on-the ground testimony from our european avalonians very seriously. They clearly feel threatened....for a number of reasons. When members like Zebra speak up, members that have earned the respect of the forum over a long period of time, I have to take it very, very seriously..

    Its extremely unpleasant for everybody involved. I would be less than thrilled to be in a community being flooded with refugees...refugees of any religion. And yet, if I was a refugee myself, having endured all those hardships, I'd very likely be a pretty unpleasant visitor...not on my best behavior. The circumstances are very sh!tty for all those involved

    We all want someone to blame, but with all the tangled webs its not an easy task. Bankers and corporatists seem more like abstract notions than real, flesh n blood people. We know theyre responsible but we dont have faces to throw our darts at....so our frustrations go elsewhere. Let's try not to cast them on each other.

    Thanks, Mike. I think you have expressed a really balanced assessment of this really difficult situation.

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    Quote Posted by Houman (here)
    They are now are now coming into Europe (which is designed to collapse)
    This is the part of it that worries me.

    When the big coverage on this started about a year ago it just annoyed me and I just saw it as an attempt to get public support for a war that would never happen.

    But now things are escalating so much I'm beginning to wonder how bad it's going to get. If we have an engineered social disaster coming up that will cause just as much harm as a natural one. So people are scared of what they're going to see yet.

    Another thing is they are taking in people from completely uncivilized areas who behave like animals and aren't safe to be let loose in a civilized country, and there is also the danger of copycat acts, even if most of these refugees will be harmless.

    So I don't feel I can just look the other way any more, no matter who's responsible. It's not a minor thing to the victims of it.
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    Quote Posted by Enola (here)
    Quote Posted by Houman (here)
    They are now are now coming into Europe (which is designed to collapse)
    This is the part of it that worries me.

    When the big coverage on this started about a year ago it just annoyed me and I just saw it as an attempt to get public support for a war that would never happen.

    But now things are escalating so much I'm beginning to wonder how bad it's going to get. If we have an engineered social disaster coming up that will cause just as much harm as a natural one. So people are scared of what they're going to see yet.

    Another thing is they are taking in people from completely uncivilized areas who behave like animals and aren't safe to be let loose in a civilized country, and there is also the danger of copycat acts, even if most of these refugees will be harmless.

    So I don't feel I can just look the other way any more, no matter who's responsible. It's not a minor thing to the victims of it.


    Well the middle east itself is an illustration or template for how bad things can get, here are a few countries that got destabilized by an influx of refugees mixed with some monsters and some paid mercenaries
    - Lebanon (civil war)
    - Syria (civil war, refugees from Iraq + mercenaries + monsters)
    - Libya (civil war, essentially from mercenaries)

    This is what Lebanon looked like before the war


    The problem with these areas is not that people were not civilized, it is simply that monsters have been created and let loose and a fraction of the population has degenerated, now some of these monsters and the degenerates are coming to Europe along with the refugees (who are real and trying to flee the monsters, the degenerates and the mercenaries).

    It is not the first time that such monsters and degenerates are created from societal collapse or the weaponization of the mass psyche (it has happened before in Europe and Asia), social engineers have a term for it:
    "behavioral sink" (John B. Calhoun)

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    When we speak of this matter it would be nice if we could show understanding for the "real" refugee who is basically powerless as he/she is swept aside under the same label as the ones he's fleeing from.

    You can't always be setting straight misunderstandings that are being created above your head. At a particular point it gets ridiculous, and people stop listening to you.
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    Even if the boots on the ground reports are accurate, it is not indicative of a major problem. Germany has always had crime. Always had rape, murder, sexual assaults, perverts and thieves. It is hard to trust any numbers put out by government agencies but of the over 1 million immigrants allowed into the country, only a tiny percentage committed serious crimes like murder or rape. Not to diminish the suffering felt by the victims or their families in any way but these street level amateur reports are not shocking numbers indicative of a Muslim plan meant to facilitate the take over of the world. Germany had this type of crime even before the refugees/immigrants started to come in waves. Official numbers state that the refugees commit crimes at a lower rate than German born citizens.

    This whole thread is fear mongering at it's best. A rallying cry for those prone to hate to jump on the bandwagon.

    Muslims are not about to take over the world. That is just silly.

    The vast majority of Muslims refugees that arrive are just trying to get their lives back in order and make a new start. Once their homes return to a state of relative peace, many will return.

    There is no data or statistics to support any of the outrageous, hateful and cowardly claims made by many posters on this thread.

    In 5 years when most of this will have blown over and every one will have moved on, all the people making these claims will be exposed for what they are. Fearful, ignorant and boisterous. I can almost guarantee they won't stick around to admit it.

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    To be clear. These regions are being destabilized by a coalition of world powers intent on destabilizing the region. The refugees are a by-product of their handy work.

    Quote Posted by Houman (here)
    Quote Posted by Enola (here)
    Quote Posted by Houman (here)
    They are now are now coming into Europe (which is designed to collapse)
    This is the part of it that worries me.

    When the big coverage on this started about a year ago it just annoyed me and I just saw it as an attempt to get public support for a war that would never happen.

    But now things are escalating so much I'm beginning to wonder how bad it's going to get. If we have an engineered social disaster coming up that will cause just as much harm as a natural one. So people are scared of what they're going to see yet.

    Another thing is they are taking in people from completely uncivilized areas who behave like animals and aren't safe to be let loose in a civilized country, and there is also the danger of copycat acts, even if most of these refugees will be harmless.

    So I don't feel I can just look the other way any more, no matter who's responsible. It's not a minor thing to the victims of it.


    Well the middle east itself is an illustration or template for how bad things can get, here are a few countries that got destabilized by an influx of refugees mixed with some monsters and some paid mercenaries
    - Lebanon (civil war)
    - Syria (civil war, refugees from Iraq + mercenaries + monsters)
    - Libya (civil war, essentially from mercenaries)

    This is what Lebanon looked like before the war


    The problem with these areas is not that people were not civilized, it is simply that monsters have been created and let loose and a fraction of the population has degenerated, now some of these monsters and the degenerates are coming to Europe along with the refugees (who are real and trying to flee the monsters, the degenerates and the mercenaries).

    It is not the first time that such monsters and degenerates are created from societal collapse or the weaponization of the mass psyche (it has happened before in Europe and Asia), social engineers have a term for it:
    "behavioral sink" (John B. Calhoun)

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    Quote Posted by Karma Ninja (here)
    To be clear. These regions are being destabilized by a coalition of world powers intent on destabilizing the region. The refugees are a by-product of their handy work.
    Yep...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rian-Army.html

    http://www.sott.net/article/242421-S...eda-Terrorists


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    HI AVALON

    I am a bit sad .. disappointed how members on here, this thread and others, are devaluing the plight of people who are also victims in this social engineering of Europe - for want of a better term, let’s call these people white ethnic europeans ..

    Yes, I am mostly a ’wee’ with some persian and indian stock in there as well but I am endeared to my euro traditions, no crime in that.

    Yet to speak up about my own experience, on this thread and others related to these contentious issues, I am called - disgusting. I have to ask Why?

    For speaking out that I was terrorised one day by a gang of young Moslem males in an empty train carriage in broad daylight because they seemed to believe that it was their right to terrorise me? To show me that women must know their place according to their beliefs - there was about 15 of them and one of them gave me a bruising elbow into the side of my ribs. He then squashed me and my young son up against the window of our seat for the duration of the trip. They laughed about it and thank goodness it was only two stops before they got off.

    No, it was not something I had read about in a right wing publication, this experience I was having was a taste of the real thing. I was frozen. Silenced. And I did not dare to make any move out of fear that my son would be hurt as well.  I had no witnesses, either.

    When I told the first friends I met up with, they said there’s no point in going to the police. Even if you did, nothing will happen and worse, you will be labelled a trouble maker and a racist. I was infomed then - this was in Oslo - that this happens a lot and so much goes unreported because the government is hell bent on pursuing an agenda. And the fall out of that is one set of people are afforded support and protection and another set of people are not.  There are consequences for one set of people and not the other. This was about 8 years ago … I was lucky compared with what I have learnt others have been through.

    The irony is, the underdog and victime in this is also white europeans as well. We cannot overlook this. The way things are coursing, some may well become refugees themselves.

    So where do we go from here Avalon?  I don’t want to regurgiate my one experience. And do you really want a war of statistics and studies - do you want to persist in profiling members like me as uneducated, hateful and peddling fear and crap from dubious sources?  

    Personally, I really don’t want to cut and paste links to other articles and studies that affirm what I see - or trot out videos of Islamic clerics outlining a 10 year plan to bring Europe under sharia law. Now, right now, I am over these materials and reports and studies. Whether they were designed by globalists or extremists, the point I am trying to make is, by isolating my response to this as wrong  and inflative - feels abusive. I feel that my rights as a human are being dismissed - and I cannot imagine how others who have experienced far worse than me - feel right now.

    I would just like to say this: many of us have not emerged from extreme racist organisations. We  actually embrace multi culturalism and have hearts as big as whales to protect people who have endured persecution in their homelands.  The system - government organised - that has set this up and manages it is clearly fraught.

    Former refugees I know in Sweden have said this to me and they were real refugees - who have been through the most brutal experiences in Iran and Iraq. Even they are deeply disturbed by the offensive and violent behaviour that has become a regular occurrence. We never did this, they said. Extreme religious beliefs, they believe, are drivers in this - and they want to be as far away as possible from it. They endured enough of it already.

    What I am gently trying to say here is that the extreme behaviours as we have seen, cannot just be the result of PTSD from war zones. There exists people - in strong enough numbers now - who clearly uphold principles of sharia law, under which these behaviours are permitted.  And there’s no consequences.

    The problem as I understand it is that the open door policy on immigration in European countries has been either poorly thought out or more likely created to divide populations and set them upon each other.  Most of you know that, of course. Even crazier as I understand it, is the incapability of immigrant organisations to accurately assess true refugees. It has become an unreliable process, many in the last decade, it has been discovered, are not real refugees but just leveraging the humanitarian opportunities that are afforded to refugees and taking advantage of this because they have money to get through the system. Warnings of this of course in the last few years have been sent to the bin. Meanwhile an existing social system and infrastructure has groaned under the weight of massive influxes of new people every year. it’s not sustainable in so many ways.

    From what I understand also, foreign aid has been degraded in favour of immigration. That is, the very poor in third world countries for instance - who don’t have funds to get into Europe - are missing out because funding towards health and development programs has disappeared. Indeed, one article I read about a study that was an economic case - said for the same amount of money it would cost to settle immigrants from one African third world country (I think it was a case for bringing in 100,000 immigrants - if I have this figure wrong please correct me) it was calculated that the same amount could finance significant on the ground programs that would serve instead the development of the entire population of said country.

    Avalon, I guess I don’t want to have my intelligence insulted if it doesn’t fit with what you think you know and what is best. And I do want to make a respectful offer to listen to you. I am paying attention to all angles.  I know and appreciate the company of some lovely people in my life who are moslems and believe it or not, they hold a very similar perspective to me and readily express their distaste for violent behaviour. Except for the fact that because I am of European stock, I can not so easily express publicly the same.

    Not good enough. Where is the democracy in this?  There is clearly very little going around - but we can’t wait around for that, can we?

    No, there comes a time when human individuals must evolve and take responsibility for their actions.

    In this current climate on Avalon, the way we are pitched against each other over this issue -

    It’s not a pretty picture.

    I think there are flaws in each of our ideologies that are responsible and clearly not sustainaible.

    And our respective ways of processing this issue, using invective language is doing harm. Much harm.

    From my perspective holding back for a couple of days (because I was boiling) I am seeing that we have all been dug in for quite some time with fixed beliefs on this contentious issue and repeating ways of relating those beliefs.

    I think that we have all been part of enabling this social disaster to be where it has come to.

    We are all complicit in how the problem grew into the monster it has become.

    And, even if this has been masterfully engineered by the globalist cabal and it’s what they are wanting us to do right now - knife each other - we can’t just blame it all on the globalists.

    We need to wake up to ourselves.

    It might take time, Avalon, but a courageous conversation between us, at least, needs to be had. Are you up for it? We move through this, we are transcending the globalist programming.

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    Peaceful Muslims and bloodthirsty Jihadis are all part of Islam.
    Nothing guarantees the former nor prevents the latter.
    Both are “acceptable” to Islam.
    But are both acceptable to civilized nations?

    = = =
    Islam is at war with all peoples, religions, and governments.
    = = =
    "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me." (saith Mohammed)
    http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/in...twaId&Id=83756
    = = =
    Eternal jihad until all are converted, dhimmi, or dead.
    Convert, Submit, or DIE.
    No other option.

    = = =
    What should civilized people do?
    Ban Islam, close Mosques, deport Muslims, and impeach sympathizers.

    It is a violation of American law to advocate the overthrow of America's government - which is exactly what ISLAM teaches.
    "The Smith Act"
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385

    Anyone in public office who sympathizes with Islam, is a co-conspirator. . . and an enemy of the American people.

    (As to the lies of the golfer-in-chief, the MAJOR contribution of MUSLIMS to America was in commerce raiding - piracy - by the Libyans who were defeated by our Marines. As memorialized in the Marine Hymn : "to the shores of Tripoli...")
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    I have posted in several of this topic type of threads and for the most part simply try to keep focus on (what I feel) is the root cause.

    This is a win/win for the globalist social engineers in their (not secret) quest for causing as much misery, fear and chaos as possible for we the masses of "useless eaters".

    I don't know of any obtainable good answers ... short of eliminating the elite (and their own multidimensional masters). Anyone have any ideas there???


    ... didn't think so.


    Anyway ... this goes well beyond war refugees. There too the elite use the assets of amerika to bring such.


    I saw an image and I refuse to post it here (I mentioned it in another thread) of a billboard somewhere in Africa that showed 3 black men raping a naked blond woman from Sweden. The caption suggested that rape would not be prosecuted in Sweden.


    Who would pay for such a billboard and why???


    Peoples from all over the middle east and Africa are being encouraged through various means to come to Europe (Germany in particular). Why??? If you and your family had little to nothing and countries encouraged you to come and take part in the social/financial freebies then why not???


    They are being brought into amerika by the government through various means.


    Yes learn about Islam. That is all part of it. Study the past. Realize that many of the earlier muslim refugees fled to Europe to *escape* the more radicalized violent portions of Islam.


    Anyway ... what works for everyone???


    I hesitate posting this here but for at least the forum members let's all take a step back, relax, breathe and look at the broader picture.




    https://vimeo.com/146546470 (for those that cannot view youtube in your country).


    I wish I had more to offer ... but at least here let's keep the conversation open and not be "shamed into silence" ... please.
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    Quote Posted by Zebra (here)
    HI AVALON

    I am a bit sad .. disappointed how members on here, this thread and others, are devaluing the plight of people who are also victims in this social engineering of Europe - for want of a better term, let’s call these people white ethnic europeans ..

    Yes, I am mostly a ’wee’ with some persian and indian stock in there as well but I am endeared to my euro traditions, no crime in that.

    Yet to speak up about my own experience, on this thread and others related to these contentious issues, I am called - disgusting. I have to ask Why?

    For speaking out that I was terrorised one day by a gang of young Moslem males in an empty train carriage in broad daylight because they seemed to believe that it was their right to terrorise me? To show me that women must know their place according to their beliefs - there was about 15 of them and one of them gave me a bruising elbow into the side of my ribs. He then squashed me and my young son up against the window of our seat for the duration of the trip. They laughed about it and thank goodness it was only two stops before they got off.

    No, it was not something I had read about in a right wing publication, this experience I was having was a taste of the real thing. I was frozen. Silenced. And I did not dare to make any move out of fear that my son would be hurt as well.  I had no witnesses, either.

    When I told the first friends I met up with, they said there’s no point in going to the police. Even if you did, nothing will happen and worse, you will be labelled a trouble maker and a racist. I was infomed then - this was in Oslo - that this happens a lot and so much goes unreported because the government is hell bent on pursuing an agenda. And the fall out of that is one set of people are afforded support and protection and another set of people are not.  There are consequences for one set of people and not the other. This was about 8 years ago … I was lucky compared with what I have learnt others have been through.

    The irony is, the underdog and victime in this is also white europeans as well. We cannot overlook this. The way things are coursing, some may well become refugees themselves.

    So where do we go from here Avalon?  I don’t want to regurgiate my one experience. And do you really want a war of statistics and studies - do you want to persist in profiling members like me as uneducated, hateful and peddling fear and crap from dubious sources?  

    Personally, I really don’t want to cut and paste links to other articles and studies that affirm what I see - or trot out videos of Islamic clerics outlining a 10 year plan to bring Europe under sharia law. Now, right now, I am over these materials and reports and studies. Whether they were designed by globalists or extremists, the point I am trying to make is, by isolating my response to this as wrong  and inflative - feels abusive. I feel that my rights as a human are being dismissed - and I cannot imagine how others who have experienced far worse than me - feel right now.

    I would just like to say this: many of us have not emerged from extreme racist organisations. We  actually embrace multi culturalism and have hearts as big as whales to protect people who have endured persecution in their homelands.  The system - government organised - that has set this up and manages it is clearly fraught.

    Former refugees I know in Sweden have said this to me and they were real refugees - who have been through the most brutal experiences in Iran and Iraq. Even they are deeply disturbed by the offensive and violent behaviour that has become a regular occurrence. We never did this, they said. Extreme religious beliefs, they believe, are drivers in this - and they want to be as far away as possible from it. They endured enough of it already.

    What I am gently trying to say here is that the extreme behaviours as we have seen, cannot just be the result of PTSD from war zones. There exists people - in strong enough numbers now - who clearly uphold principles of sharia law, under which these behaviours are permitted.  And there’s no consequences.

    The problem as I understand it is that the open door policy on immigration in European countries has been either poorly thought out or more likely created to divide populations and set them upon each other.  Most of you know that, of course. Even crazier as I understand it, is the incapability of immigrant organisations to accurately assess true refugees. It has become an unreliable process, many in the last decade, it has been discovered, are not real refugees but just leveraging the humanitarian opportunities that are afforded to refugees and taking advantage of this because they have money to get through the system. Warnings of this of course in the last few years have been sent to the bin. Meanwhile an existing social system and infrastructure has groaned under the weight of massive influxes of new people every year. it’s not sustainable in so many ways.

    From what I understand also, foreign aid has been degraded in favour of immigration. That is, the very poor in third world countries for instance - who don’t have funds to get into Europe - are missing out because funding towards health and development programs has disappeared. Indeed, one article I read about a study that was an economic case - said for the same amount of money it would cost to settle immigrants from one African third world country (I think it was a case for bringing in 100,000 immigrants - if I have this figure wrong please correct me) it was calculated that the same amount could finance significant on the ground programs that would serve instead the development of the entire population of said country.

    Avalon, I guess I don’t want to have my intelligence insulted if it doesn’t fit with what you think you know and what is best. And I do want to make a respectful offer to listen to you. I am paying attention to all angles.  I know and appreciate the company of some lovely people in my life who are moslems and believe it or not, they hold a very similar perspective to me and readily express their distaste for violent behaviour. Except for the fact that because I am of European stock, I can not so easily express publicly the same.

    Not good enough. Where is the democracy in this?  There is clearly very little going around - but we can’t wait around for that, can we?

    No, there comes a time when human individuals must evolve and take responsibility for their actions.

    In this current climate on Avalon, the way we are pitched against each other over this issue -

    It’s not a pretty picture.

    I think there are flaws in each of our ideologies that are responsible and clearly not sustainaible.

    And our respective ways of processing this issue, using invective language is doing harm. Much harm.

    From my perspective holding back for a couple of days (because I was boiling) I am seeing that we have all been dug in for quite some time with fixed beliefs on this contentious issue and repeating ways of relating those beliefs.

    I think that we have all been part of enabling this social disaster to be where it has come to.

    We are all complicit in how the problem grew into the monster it has become.

    And, even if this has been masterfully engineered by the globalist cabal and it’s what they are wanting us to do right now - knife each other - we can’t just blame it all on the globalists.

    We need to wake up to ourselves.

    It might take time, Avalon, but a courageous conversation between us, at least, needs to be had. Are you up for it? We move through this, we are transcending the globalist programming.
    Thanks for sharing.
    Experiences like you describe lead to polarization even more when people can't distinguish general ideology (as in the abolishment of racism) from the injustices done by bullies to an individual.
    So the refugee matter has to be adressed like a bad back pain, from all levels.
    Back pain is a vicious circle of tensed muscles, pinched nerves and dislocated bones.
    And all three areas need to be treated.

    Anyone who has become a victim of a false ideology first of all needs comforting and healing, before they can be expected to jump to the "right" perspective of the matter. I really feel for you, having to deal with these unpleasant issues.

    So here we have several false ideologies clashing.
    Ancient religious texts, which are clearly outdated now, about the role of women in society, need to be tossed and replaced with respect for women as fully equal human beings, next to men.
    Meanwhile the other outdated ideology, that of racism, of certain races being inferior, has to be tossed just as quickly.
    The so-called inferiority of certain races is all about lack of education, and cultural trappings.
    No human being is incapable to rise above this.

    As a European, who has lived in a country where whites were in the minority I have been at the receiving end of both sexism, and racism. Not to mention anti German prejudices, which in Britain was still rampant in the sixties when I first moved there, before I moved to the British Caribbean.

    So I found these matters are so delicate, and hard to address that I often just dropped them from conversation.
    Most people were not ready to see the situation from a higher human perspective.
    Leave it to future generations to sort out, I thought.

    And that's what I see will happen in Europe.
    A slow and painful process that may take more than one generation.

    Islam may have had a valid role to play 1200 years ago, in bringing desert people to a higher level than their previous tribal wars. But like Christianity around 1200 AD Islam is now clearly in its own Dark Ages.

    If governments are stepping away from their role as protectors of the people who voted them into office they will be replaced by racist bigots, no doubt in my mind.
    So the ball that changes the game from duality to unity is now in the court of the populace. Back to grassroots.
    It's a new kind of anarchy.
    Long term I'm hopeful. Short-term I'm glad I don't live in Europe any longer. I just want to say I sympathize with anyone who has been a victim of brute force.
    Last edited by ulli; 3rd February 2016 at 19:07.

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