N. Korea wants to launch a 'satellite'

[Bob]

After having claimed 4 successful tests of nuclear weapons, Kim Jong Un, the current leader, insists that his country will launch.

It's gotten Japan, China and South Korea quite concerned.

After all it's just a ballistic missile test, isn't it? Show that a satellite can be launched by their country?

Or is it something else

Looking at this, what would a country like that want so dearly to have in orbit?

A nuclear device that could be detonated over any country if the device could be steered and an high altitude EMP created... to bring down the country's electronic infrastructure.

North Korea currently is under stiff sanctions from the United Nations and U.S. that prevent it from testing nuclear materials and developing ballistic missile technologies. N. Korea continues to thumb its nose and do such anyway.

South Korea and Japan have warned North Korea about the potential forthcoming rocket launch the country has said will occur later this month in February, and Japan’s Defense Ministry has deployed its own ballistic missile defense units in preparation for the N. Korean launch.

Japanese Defense Minister Gen Nakatani said the country will shoot down any missile that could potentially fall on Japan, while Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe called the launch a “serious provocation.”

A likely date for the launch of the Kwangmyongsong Earth observation satellite is February 16, the birthday of Kim Jong Il, the former North Korean leader and father of current leader Kim Jong Un. Another U.N. agency, the International Telecommunications Union, said it had also been informed of a potential future rocket launch by North Korean authorities but didn’t give a specific date range.

South Korean official Cho Tae-yang said on Wednesday that North Korea’s plan is “a direct challenge to the international community.” China has also expressed “serious concern” over the plans and hopes the country can exercise restraint.

Kwangmyŏngsŏng, ( Korean: “Bright Star”) any of a North Korean series of satellites. The first successful satellite, Kwangmyŏngsŏng 3, entered orbit on December 12, 2012.

It was launched from Sŏhae in North P’yŏngan province by an Unha-3 (Korean: “Galaxy-3”) launch vehicle, which was a version of the Unha-2 rocket that used a third stage based on that of the Iranian Safīr rocket.

This particular North Korean Earth-observing satellite traveled in a polar orbit at an altitude between 505.6 and 588.8 km (314.2 and 365.9 miles), circling the planet every 96 minutes.

The launch of Kwangmyŏngsŏng 3 caused an international outcry because it was North Korea’s first successful test of long-range missile technology and represented a step toward possible development of an intercontinental ballistic missile. Two previous launches, in August 1998 and April 2009, had failed to achieve orbit.

A "polar orbit" will allow ALL of the earth to eventually be observed (passed over) by the satellite.

Polar orbits are often used for earth-mapping, earth observation, capturing the earth as time passes from one point, and for reconnaissance satellites.

Altitude of the satellite determines how fast it will cover the earth.

With 4 nuclear tests claimed by North Korea, what is the likelihood that there may be a nuke instead of just a recon camera?

An article here, says a North Korean NUCLEAR EMP attack is unstoppable and probably inevitable.

If North Korea were to launch a preemptive nuclear attack on the United States, it could use a long-range missile to orbit a satellite over the South Pole, putting it in line to fly over Omaha, Neb., and explode it at a 300-mile altitude where U.S. Aegis anti-ballistic missile systems cannot reach, sources have told WND.

In addition, these sources say, there is no way to determine whether a missile is carrying a dummy or real nuclear warhead, obviating the need to shoot down any missile that is launched from North Korea, given the public warning by Pyongyang that it intends to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the U.S.

So maybe something is up with this series of events.

High altitude EMP footprint for an explosion over the US/Canada:

Voltage graph showing induced electric field:

Wonder what that high altitude explosion would look like from the ground, a "red star" maybe? A real returning of a "red star" in the sky?

For a nation who is hell bent on attacking a super-power, and has nuclear devices a limited amount of them, AND technology capable (and demonstrably able to achieve satellite orbital altitudes and payloads), an EMP is the logical attack mechanism.

Mouse that roared, or one absolutely anti-social psychopathic narcissistic maniac hell bent on reducing wherever he wants to the same poverty level society he has forced his people to live in.. ?


Reference: EMP - http://www.futurescience.com/emp.html - an introduction to nuclear EMP

Today, if just one of these 500 kiloton bombs like the Mark 18 were detonated 300 miles above the central United States, the economy of the country would be essentially destroyed instantaneously.

Very little of the country's electrical or electronic infrastructure would still be functional. This is not to say that every device would be destroyed, but the interdependence of different electrical and electronic infrastructures makes it possible to stop nearly all economic activity with only limited damage to critical infrastructures.

It would likely be months or years before most of the electrical grid could be repaired because of the destruction of large numbers of transformers in the electric power grid. Several countries today have the ability to produce a weapon similar to this 1952 bomb, and send it to the necessary altitude.

This isn't fear porn. Several countries are taking this current planned "satellite" launch event by N. Korea seriously.

[Bob]

Kim says he can't sleep cause of his country's poverty level..

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Instead of building up an economy, helping humanity within his country he builds nukes, and satellites, and missiles. To protect what?

Portrait of a maniac

Kim Jong-un has said he "cannot sleep" for worry over his subjects' poverty, in a rare admission that North Korea may not be the workers' paradise that its propaganda claims.

According to the official KCNA news agency, the North Korean leader said his citizens have "never enjoyed an abundant life" and demanded that standards of living be raised.

The remarks were part of a paper authored by the young dictator focused on improving North Korea's stock-breeding, farming and fisheries sectors.

Invoking the power of the Workers' Party of Korea, Mr Kim said the Sepho uplands should be turned into the nation's farming heartland and that the project should be granted preferential access to materials, fuel, equipment and manpower.

The need for drastic improvements in North Korea's agriculture sector is underlined by the most recent study by the United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organisation, which found that 84 percent of households have "borderline or poor food consumption".

While child malnutrition rates have declined in recent years, "rates of stunting caused by malnutrition during the first 1,000 days of a child's life remain high", the report said.

The Sepho uplands project comes after years of spending on Mr Kim's pet projects, including development of the Masik Pass Skiing Ground.

Less than a year after he inherited the North Korean leadership with the death of his father, Kim Jong-il, Mr Kim ordered his military to construct a "world-class" ski resort to rival the winter sports facilities being built in South Korea to host the 2018 Winter Olympic Games.

No expense was spared on the project, with the resort having 68 miles of ski runs, a hotel, cable cars and a heliport, KCNA reported.

Mr Kim picked up a taste for skiing while he was a student at a private school in Switzerland. Few ordinary North Korean citizens are able to access the slopes, however.

Records also show that Kim Jong-il had treated himself to luxuries adding up to an average of $300 million a year.

The imports included dozens of Mercedes-Benz vehicles and musical instruments, including a selection of top-quality pianos. Pedigree pets, perfume, high-end bottles of liquor and - curiously - maternity products have also been on Mr Kim's shopping list.

Those claims are backed by comments by Dennis Rodman, the former US basketball player, who visited Pyongyang in October 2013 and described the lifestyle of Mr Kim as a "seven-star" party with free-flowing cocktails, jet-skis at his private island and luxury yachts.

South Korean intelligence estimates that Mr Kim inherited $4 billion held in secret accounts in European banks when his father died.

[Bob]

What is Israel saying about all this?

It starts with Iran and North Korea are buddies which tolerate each other. Both aspire to a nuclear future as the bargaining chips to ensure they are considered "formidable" threats against the rest of the world.

From Israel National News -

Even a small, relatively crude nuclear device detonated above the Korean peninsula would generate an EMP with field strength well above 10 kV/m, ensuring wholesale destruction of unprotected electronic systems.

In November 2005, Major Colin R. Miller USAF (Active) published his US Air University thesis entitled “Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Threats in 2010” whose climactic thesis predicted that North Korea might use a nuclear EMP bomb to destroy the US and South Korean technological military advantage and “level the playing field,” and then occupy South Korea in a conventional-follow-on blitzkrieg attack.

No precautions were ever taken by the United States government to prevent such an open-source, publicized type of attack by a respected active US Air Force officer.

Eight (8) years later, in 2013, and with three nuclear tests under the North’s belt, the new murderous psychotic dictator “Supreme Leader” or “Marshal” Kim Jong-un has promised a nuclear attack against America, and on last Friday, March 15, 2013, the Ides of March, stated “prepare for war.”

DTRA observations - Defense Threat Reduction Agency, the US's first line of threat mitigation -

The US Defense Threat Reduction Agency & USSTATCOM Center for Combating WMD stated on their open-source website that, “While a blast of [EMP] radiation might not do anything to properly protected troops, it would “fry” anything electronic: laptops, sensors, our highly computerized planes, even a simple cell phone.”

Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un’s father, Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Il, was a total James Bond fanatic.

And, in 1995, an EMP circuit-frying nuclear device was the featured futuristic weapon de jour in the James Bond movie classic “Goldeneye.”

North Korea also stated that its recent February 2013 nuclear test used a “miniaturized device” which very likely was intended for a AC-130 missile warhead.

Additionally, North Korea has tested its middle-range missiles trajectory directly south over South Korea that would be the exact trajectory to be used in an EMP attack.

North Korea only needs a short to medium range rocket to reach an altitude 50 kilometers above South Korea where the EMP bombs would be detonated.

An EMP at that altitude would fry all of the US and South Korean hi-tech weapons’ systems.

(edit note: - although this article said 50 km, US and Soviet Union tests showed 300 miles up from the suface of the earth was the ideal altitude to destroy a country (or at least a 3000 mile diameter circle of kill zone).. )

North Korea would only need an intercontinental ballistic missile if it wanted to hit the continental United States with an EMP nuke. So, North Korea absolutely now possesses the minimal ballistic capabilities necessary to deliver an EMP above South Korea.

First and foremost, if anyone thinks South Korea or the United States has a defense against a North Korean EMP first-strike attack, think again. Yonhap, the South Korean news agency, reported the following story entitled “S. Korea defenseless against N. Korean electronic attack” on Sept. 20, 2011.

What people are missing is the sleight of hand happening - while the focus is on ICBM's, (the previous 'cold war' terror threat of nuclear war, with missiles raining down MERV war-heads) North Korea is focusing on the Satellite poor man's country destroying weapon - the EMP to destroy the communications, power, computer and financial networks of their opponent(s).

Most likely, it would be suicidal for North Korea to actually carry out such an attack.. as the victim country's submarines would promptly evoke an actual vaporization of some select targets associated with North Korea and supreme Leader Kim's hide-outs.. Think of it though, a maniac partying like there is no tomorrow at his people's expense probably has that as his intention.

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[ghostrider]

My people starve, what to do ... I know, I will launch a satellite, that will fix it... He wants respect even at the cost of his subjects starving... Earth is in trouble... That guy is the X factor in any equation... Unpredictable...

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Well said Bob ...

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Bob]

"state sponsored RV programs" --- hmm that will have to be a new thread what all that IS about..
CNNN - (China National News Network)

but back to topic

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"We're still taking seriously what could be within the missile and its intent"

Seems obvious, but this is what they are saying:

The United States has deployed missile defense systems that will work with the Japanese and South Korean militaries to track a rocket North Korea says it will launch some time over an 18-day period beginning Monday.

China, the North's sole major ally but opposed to Pyongyang's nuclear program, appealed for calm.

North Korea says it has a sovereign right to pursue a space program. But it is barred under U.N. Security Council resolutions from using ballistic missile technology.

Or nukes, or make high gamma energy (Super EMP) nuclear devices.. (There are reports that the previous nuke tests by N. Korea were focusing on testing the super-emp configured casings for the device, and a gamma enhancer layer around the core)..

Coming so soon after North Korea's fourth nuclear test, on Jan. 6, also barred by Security Council resolutions, a rocket launch would raise concern that it plans to fit nuclear warheads on its missiles, giving it the capability to strike South Korea, Japan and possibly the U.S. West Coast.

China has told North Korea that it does not want to see anything happen that could further raise tension, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said, describing "a serious situation", after a special envoy from China visited North Korea this week.

The United States has urged China to use its influence to rein in its neighbor.

[sirdipswitch]

The blank stare of a spoiled little rich kid, that has no clue as to how the world works, is quite... "un-nervingly", spooky... "IMHO"!!!

Not the picture of someone you would care to see with his finger on the button.

[Bob]

up UP and away...

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The rocket was launched on a southward trajectory, as planned, passing over Japan's southern Okinawa islands, Japan's NHK reported, and appeared to have successfully separated its first stage booster, South Korea's Yonhap reported.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe called the launch "absolutely unacceptable."

Now what might be on the satellite? N. Korea is calling it an "earth observational satellite".

[KiwiElf]

Japanese Defense Minister Gen Nakatani said the country will shoot down any missile that could potentially fall on Japan

Ahuh,... so, why didn't they? [shoot it down]???? CNN have been playing this ad nauseum for the last several hours!

[Bob]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)

Japanese Defense Minister Gen Nakatani said the country will shoot down any missile that could potentially fall on Japan

Ahuh,... so, why didn't they? [shoot it down]???? CNN have been playing this ad nauseum for the last several hours!

Hmm.. reports came in, after it reached a certain altitude, it disappeared off radar.. would that be 'shot down', (by someone), or it malfunctioned, or ?

Looking for the original Reuters article, it's gone now..

New news now says

U.S. Strategic Command tracks North Korean missile launch into space

The missile was detected at 6:29 p.m. CST (8.29 p.m. ET) and was tracked on a southerly launch over the Yellow Sea, it said in a statement.

So, over the Yellow Sea, then what?

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Updating again -

The U.S. Strategic Command said it had detected a missile entering space, and South Korea's military said the rocket had put an object into orbit, quashing earlier media reports indicating the it might have failed in flight.

North Korea said the launch of its satellite Kwangmyongsong-4, named after late leader Kim Jong Il, was a "complete success" and that it was making a polar orbit of the earth every 94 minutes. The launch order was given by his son, leader Kim Jong Un, who is believed to be 33 years old.

North Korea's last long-range rocket launch, in 2012, put what it called a communications satellite into orbit, but no signal has ever been detected from it.

"Everything we have seen is consistent with a successful repeat of the 2012 (launch)," said U.S. missile technology expert John Schilling.

"But it's still too early to tell for sure," said Schilling, who is involved in the "38 North" North Korean monitoring project at Johns Hopkins University.

[KiwiElf]

Was a rhetorical question young Bob . Seems to me a lot of speculative propaganda from the MSM. Apparently (depending on what and who you believe on the MSM), it's course took it somewhere southward over Okinawa, a stage was seen separating and for all intensive purposes it's now in orbit.

My real feeling over North Korea? Just another distraction from something bigger (hence the reason CNN have been on it all day and nothing else) - If they were a REAL problem, someone would have dealt to them by now and taken the spoiled little dictator out. After all, the superpowers have done it before when it suits them.

[Bob]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Was a rhetorical question young Bob . Seems to me a lot of speculative propaganda from the MSM. Apparently (depending on what and who you believe on the MSM), it's course took it somewhere southward over Okinawa, a stage was seen separating and for all intensive purposes it's now in orbit.

My real feeling over North Korea? Just another distraction from something bigger (hence the reason CNN have been on it all day and nothing else) - If they were a REAL problem, someone would have dealt to them by now and taken the spoiled little dictator out. After all, the superpowers have done it before when it suits them.

ROFL - good one !

let's watch and wait.

numerous nations are reporting concerns.

[Bob]

Jim Clapper, the head spook of the US intelligence agencies, has weighed in on North Korea publicly and he is saying Kim Jong un's regime is continuing to escalate tensions and in a rogue manner are conducting themselves in a very "un-community-like-manner". That can get one banned from the world arena no doubt.

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Starting the plutonium creating reactor means one thing, bomb grade nuclear fission material is to be created..

“In my 50-plus years in the intelligence business, I cannot recall a more diverse array of crises and challenges than we face today,” Mr. Clapper said at a daylong Senate Armed Services Committee hearing Tuesday.

The spy chief was joined by Marine Lt. Gen. Vincent Stewart, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and later in the day appeared with FBI Director James B. Comey and CIA Director John Brennan before the Senate Intelligence Committee.

One of the main topics during the hearing was North Korea, which launched a long-range rocket on Sunday carrying what it claimed was a satellite. The launch, which violated an international ban on North Korea developing ballistic missile technology, came just weeks after the country's fourth test of a nuclear bomb.

Clapper said US intelligence indicated that North Korea was following through with its 2013 plan to expand, refurbish and reboot its nuclear programs, including a uranium enrichment facility in Yongbyon and a plutonium reactor that has been dormant since 2007. Clapper told lawmakers that Pyongyang was "committed to developing a long-range, nuclear-armed missile that's capable of posing a direct threat to the United States, although the system has not been flight tested."

Clapper said US intelligence indicates that 80 countries are currently "engaged in the space domain," and some nations have a firm grasp on the US defense strategy in space. "Russia and China understand how our military fights and how heavily we rely on space," Clapper said. "They are both pursuing disruptive and destructive satellite systems."

[Bob]

So was it a fusion device that N. Korea recently detonated?

Looking at the language situation, not a classic fusion device, but something called a boosted fission weapon.

Definition:

Boosted fission weapons improve on the implosion design.

An implosion device uses a high explosive matrix to compress into extreme critical mass the plutonium 239 material. HOWEVER, the newer improved designs, use a "fusion device" which is a small particle accelerator "tube" to generate a neutron STORM to control and direct the nuclear fission reaction.. That neutron generator consists as follows: a high-voltage vacuum tube containing a particle accelerator which bombards a deuterium/tritium-metal hydride target with deuterium and tritium ions. The resulting small-scale "fusion" produces neutrons from within a protected location outside the nuclear fission package, the neutrons therefore are precisely concentrated and directed so that they penetrate the plutonium pit. This method allows better control of the timing of chain reaction initiation. It allows for scaling the yield.

This is where N. Korea "explained" it had lit up a FUSION weapon. In a way it did have a fusion SYSTEM (the initiator), but NOT really the normal hydrogen bomb yields of multi-megatons...

The high pressure and temperature environment at the center of an exploding fission weapon compresses and heats a mixture of tritium and deuterium gas (heavy isotopes of hydrogen). The hydrogen fuses to form helium and free neutrons. The energy release from this fusion reaction is relatively negligible, but each neutron starts a new fission chain reaction, speeding up the fission and greatly reducing the amount of fissile material that would otherwise be wasted when expansion of the fissile material stops the chain reaction. Boosting can more than double the weapon's fission energy release.

Another benefit of boosting, in addition to making weapons smaller, lighter, and with less fissile material for a given yield, is that it renders weapons immune to radiation interference (RI). It was discovered in the mid-1950s that plutonium pits would be particularly susceptible to partial pre-detonation if exposed to the intense radiation of a nearby nuclear explosion (electronics might also be damaged, but this was a separate problem). RI was a particular problem before effective early warning radar systems because a first strike attack might make retaliatory weapons useless. Boosting reduces the amount of plutonium needed in a weapon to below the quantity which would be vulnerable to this effect.

So can that be packaged made small enough to be placed into a "satellite" and kept orbiting in polar orbit? That is the question.

Look at the US Davy Crockett device:

11 inches in diameter.. The "BOMB" device is at the right most side of the launcher shown above.

Designated as the M-28 or M-29 Davy Crockett Weapon System. It contained the tactical nuclear recoil-less gun (smooth-bore) for firing the M-388 nuclear projectile that was deployed by the United States during the Cold War. It was one of the smallest nuclear weapon systems ever built.

This is not something that North Korea cannot do. They do know technology. The key was to have enough plutonium to fuel the device(s).. And with the reactor restarted, it looks like that is the intention, according to Jim Clapper.

Remember President Reagan's Star Wars program? Weapons in space?

People have been fixated on rockets acting as missiles, containing warheads, nuclear warheads, Multiple Re-Entry Vehicles to drop down over a city or military area to create the nuclear blast to focus devastation on a local area. That is soooooo old world thinking..

EMP, and creating enhanced emp weapons is where it is at, and has been for quite some time. Media has kept that reality far far away from people's minds..

One can take precautions as in any proactive survival preparation, to have what is needed, such as even a small electrical generator system (diesel, propane, or gasoline), and appropriate green windmill systems available to provide the minimal amount of power. Stripping down an old (EMP blown out) car engine for the alternator, cooling fan(s), battery offers a way to possibly have power again.. A secure laptop in an emp proof enclosure is possible. But all of this is not talked about, it is suppressed, and we have to rely on forums such as this to find out what to do (see the survival, off the grid section of the forum for more data)..

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[Bob]

So it's not tumbling.

An eye witness reports and takes a time lapse picture of the current satellite, and records that MSM has been reporting something wrong.. (dohh..)

"North Korea's new satellite Kwangmyŏngsŏng-4 (KMS-4) is starting to make visible evening passes over Europe," says Langbroek.

Shortly after the launch, some experts wondered if the satellite might have failed to deploy properly and started tumbling around Earth. However, that's not what Langbroek saw: "As far as I can tell over the short imaging arc (~6 seconds) there was no brightness variation. So the satellite is stable, or if it is tumbling it must be a very slow tumble," he says.

Readers who wish to see Kwangmyŏngsŏng-4 for themselves may find tracking data here: http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=41332

[Bob]

Coast To Coast - Prophecy, Armageddon, & China - 08 March 2016
Host: George Noory
Guests: H. Richard Austin, William Pepper

Financial analyst with an emphasis on macro-geopolitical events, H. Richard Austin, has used his superb analytical skills to dissect the Book of Revelation from its original Greek text. One of his most unique observations is that the three key statements disclosed at Fatima clarify the references to Armageddon in the Book of Revelation. He correlated the prophecy to current events, which he believes point to evidence for a World War III looming, instigated by China. Austin said he learned of brutal totalitarian activities taking place in communist China through his friend Lawrence, who was a spy stationed there, before he disappeared or was killed. These include 150 camps where they're imprisoning thousands of Falun Gong followers and harvesting their organs, Austin detailed.

In John's vision in Revelation he sees protracted violence along the Euphrates river in the Middle East as a prelude for climactic Armageddon events in Asia, he recounted. Further, John cited the number of invaders involved in the great war as 200 million, and China is the only country that could produce an army that large, Austin noted. It is significant that the Fatima incidents occurred in 1917 as that was the year of the Bolshevik revolution, and the subsequent destruction of churches, and murder of priests throughout Russia, he said. The third secret of Fatima pertained to an annihilating nuclear war that will occur if the mentality of Russia spreads into other nations, which it did in China.

According to Austin, China is planning to attack the eastern part of Russia with a neutron bomb, which he described as the "perfect device for mass colonization" as it takes out people rather than property. Just before they do this, he outlined how they plan to attack the US anonymously, possibly wiping out Washington DC. Austin has concluded that the missing Malaysian plane MH-370 was hijacked and secretly landed by Chinese agents. He believes the jet will be used to carry nuclear weapons in an attack against America, so that the US will be too disrupted to get involved in China's war with Russia.

So Radio show Host George Noory interviewed a colorful fellow, speaking 'party line' future prediction..

A bit of a reality check is in order:

Let's bring up the key contention point -

H. Richard Austin is saying:

China is planning to attack the eastern part of Russia with a neutron bomb, which he described as the "perfect device for mass colonization" as it takes out people rather than property. Just before they do this, he outlined how they plan to attack the US anonymously, possibly wiping out Washington DC.

Austin has concluded that the missing Malaysian plane MH-370 was hijacked and secretly landed by Chinese agents. He believes the jet will be used to carry nuclear weapons in an attack against America, so that the US will be too disrupted to get involved in China's war with Russia.

Anyone who understands nuclear weapons and their ability to create Electromagnetic Pulses (EMP) would understand one doesn't need to have a missile, be it an airplane (which won't make it past the airspace perimeter protection surveillance "net") or a rocket type ICBM, or a cruise missile.. A deployed nuclear EMP can be done in minutes from a satellite deployed from orbit which can descend to the optimum altitude for the detonation. Nobody need launch ICBM's or fly missing airplanes chock full of nukes..

China or more correctly North Korea, (if their two launches are about getting actual nuclear EMP weapons into polar orbit) would logically use EMP devices, about 6 should take out most of the civilized world's electronics and electrics. And would take about 15 minutes, and not have any way to be stopped. It is ludicrous to assume any ICBM would create sufficient "country defeating" effects.

That is more of what a "reality" could be. I seriously doubt H. Richard Austin has any grasp of nuclear war of the 21'st century.

Would US, Russia, UK, Australia, Japan and pretty much everyone else who have ICBM's able to be launched from Submarines likely respond. No doubt.

Anyone deploying an EMP has committed suicide as retaliation would occur pretty fast whence the country that deployed the satellite EMP nuke was verified. Every flying orbiting object 'up there' is tracked who put it up there. If it leaves orbit, it is pretty well known who's satellite it is that is doing the deed.

BTW, it HAS been observed by an independent sky watcher tracking the last N. Korean Satellite, the one which was supposed to be useless and tumbling "out of control" according to "official reports", is that that satellite is perfectly FINE, not tumbling (look at the post above number 15).

He has performed brightness tests on recorded optical images of that satellite, and his tests show zero change in solar reflected brilliance, reiterating, a tumbling satellite has a measured "tumble speed" that can be determined looking for the "pulses" that optically appear. No tumbling is currently appearing, meaning the "tumbling failure" was a maneuver to make their last satellite launch look like it was "lost".. It is NOT.

Connecting the dots, that is where the problems are. MH-370 being talked about is for conspiracy buffs who will be caught unaware if they forget who is launching, and who HAS launched satellites into space which could contain EMP generating nukes.

[conk]

Did they get the catapult repaired?

[Bob]

From: http://www.familysecuritymatters.org...t-wrong-on-emp

The Republican platform deserves high praise for promising to protect our nation from the existential threat from an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack: "A single nuclear weapon detonated at high altitude over this country would collapse our electrical grid and other critical infrastructures and endanger the lives of millions . . . With North Korea in possession of nuclear missiles and Iran close to having them, EMP is no longer a theoretical concern - it is a real threat."

Every major U.S. government study agrees an EMP attack would have catastrophic consequences and the nation must be protected. For example, the Congressional EMP Commission, comprising the foremost experts in the Free World, warned in 2004: "Several potential adversaries have or can acquire the capability to attack the United States with a high-altitude nuclear weapon-generated electromagnetic pulse (EMP). A determined adversary can achieve an EMP attack capability without having a high level of sophistication . . . It has the capability to produce significant damage to critical infrastructure and thus to the very fabric of U.S. society, as well as to the ability of the United States and Western nations to project influence and military power."

Twelve years after the EMP Commission's warning, Peter Singer, interviewed by Matthew Gault ("The Overrated Threat From Electromagnetic Pulses," War Is Boring, July 24, 2016) is still so ignorant about the fundamentals of EMP that he dismisses the threat as a "joke" and "laughable."

Fortunately, the Obama Administration has not listened to the likes of Peter Singer on the EMP threat. Obama's Defense Department is currently spending nearly $1 billion to further harden the North American Aerospace Defense (NORAD) command against a nuclear EMP attack from North Korea and other actors.

Errors of fact and analysis by Singer, Atherton, and Gault include:
They do not appear to understand a high-altitude EMP attack would happen exo-atmospherically, in outer space, so there would be no blast, thermal, or fallout effects on the ground, only the EMP. So their arguments that blast and other nuclear effects would be worse than EMP are nonsensical.

They wrongly assert a high-yield thermonuclear weapon is necessary for EMP attack. The EMP Commission found any nuclear weapon, even a primitive weapon that terrorists might build, is a potential EMP threat. Indeed, the greatest EMP threat is from super-EMP nuclear weapons, that are very low-yield, designed to produce gamma rays that generate the EMP effect, not make a big explosion. The EMP Commission, South Korean military intelligence, and China have warned that North Korea probably has super-EMP weapons.

They wrongly assert there is a "sweet spot" located "in the atmosphere" which altitude for an EMP attack can be discovered only by extensive nuclear testing. Any nuclear detonation at an altitude of 30 kilometers or higher will generate EMP.

They wrongly assert EMP effects are unreliable and have never been tested. In fact, EMP and its effects have been tested for over 50 years and are better understood than the efficacy of cyber warfare.

They wrongly assert a sophisticated intercontinental missile is necessary for an EMP attack. In fact, an EMP attack can be made launching a short-range missile off a freighter (as practiced by Iran), by private jet doing a zoom climb, or even by balloon.

They wrongly assert "North Korea does not yet . . . possess a missile that can carry a nuclear weapon . . . to the United States." In fact, the Defense Department 2015 report Military and Security Developments Involving the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea warns that North Korea now has nuclear-armed mobile ICBMs, the KN-08 and KN-14, that can strike the United States.

Moreover, North Korea has orbiting over the U.S. two satellites on trajectories optimized to evade U.S. early warning radars and National Missile Defenses that could generate EMP fields over North America, if they are nuclear-armed.

They wrongly assert that no nation would perform an EMP attack because it would be thermonuclear war. Yet Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran in military doctrine and exercises regard EMP attack as part of an all-out cyber warfare operation that could achieve decisive victory without nuclear war.

The Obama administration defense officials acknowledge in congressional hearings and press reports that they are working on new cyber and EMP weapons to preempt launching of nuclear missiles by potential adversaries.

Article by: Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, Executive Director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and Director of the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum, both Congressional Advisory Boards, and served on the Congressional EMP Commission, the Congressional Strategic Posture Commission, the House Armed Services Committee, and the CIA. He is author of Apocalypse Unknown: The Struggle To Protect America From An Electromagnetic Pulse Catastrophe and Electric Armageddon, both available from CreateSpace.com and Amazon.com

Refer to PA post: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1087581

that maybe North Korea is being made the bad boy on the block, insanely sabre rattling, that they have declared WAR on the US.. If it has been China all along strategically manipulating Kim et. al in the international community to paint North Korea as the insane attacker, evoking a potential retaliatory reply by the US, that an EMP attack may be launched pre-emptively by China, to misdirect attention from itself..

EMP is a valid first strike attack method. Satellite technology (dropping a satellite out of orbit containing a nuclear EMP generating payload, i.e. high gamma ray generating seeding) provides the best way, to avoid ICBM monitoring.. Who is watching each satellite to see if it "drops out of orbit" ?

EMP attack is within the realm of possibility. According to a report from the EMP Commission—a special commission created by Congress to study EMP and to identify ways to mitigate the risk—China and Russia have considered “limited nuclear attack options that, unlike their Cold War plans, employ EMP as the primary or sole means of attack.”

Surely there is no remedy to this potential danger or the federal government would take necessary precautions to protect us against this threat.

After all, isn’t that precisely why government exists in the first place, to keep us safe?

The good news is that protective equipment for the civilian grid is available and can be installed in a timely manner.

The bad news is that the departments of Homeland Security and Energy under the Obama Administration have done little so far to protect us against this very real danger.

The EMP Commission also offered 100 steps that policymakers could take to prepare our infrastructure so we can better weather an EMP. Yet as Joe Colangelo, a former Navy officer, recounts in a recent article for the Wall Street Journal, little action has been taken:

“In April, the Government Accountability Office released an alarming account of the bureaucratic dysfunction obstructing EMP mitigation.

The GAO determined that although divisions within Homeland Security have been assigned specific tasks, departmental leaders have failed to ensure that this work is carried out. The two departments have not even identified the elements of the electrical infrastructure that most need protecting.

Nor have the agencies coordinated strategies to address risks associated with EMPs, including research and development of equipment designed to mitigate damage.”

Agency heads have explained that they are doing another study—but it won’t be ready until 2017.

[Bob]

last NK satellite (not tumbling out of control apparently, see earlier posts)..

http://www.n2yo.com/?s=41332 live tracking

with the recent threats by the N. Korean leader to create an EMP over the US (after the apparent successful detonation a few days ago of some form of "enhanced" nuclear device within the N. Korean mountainous testing area), it seems one could reflect on the points detailed in this thread..

An "enhanced device" is designed to generate excess gamma ray output specifically for creating EMP's.

NK says it will now EMP the US (and Canada because of the footprint)..

Will it be from a distraction created, the MISSILE launches, to take FOCUS off the SATELLITES (which could very well have the miniaturized EMP evoking nuclear weapons on them...), focus on the MISSILE LAUNCHES focus on the over-flight over Japan, FOCUS on the ATTACK of GUAM while the satellites maneuver into position?

From the beginning of the data-stream, of the particular weapons development and miniaturization, from the satellite launches, from them "all mysteriously spinning out of control (and thus not watching any more), then private observers reporting that they are NOT spinning out of control..." just keeps niggling at me..

A korean technique of MISDIRECTION (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdirection_(magic) for understanding how mis-direction works)... A korean leader thumbing their nose at TRUMP that the US can't figure out that maybe all the missile rabble rousing dialog and launches has been about taking one's eyes OFF satellites which may have nukes tailored to create a nasty set of EMP's across different countries... just waiting for the right timing to let them loose of their payload into ideal detonation altitude over the select countries.

I wonder if one has been able to go to the satellite tracking website - http://www.n2yo.com/?s=41332 and bring up the other satellites N. Korea has launched to see if their polar orbit's at a particular time will BE OVER key strategic countries, all about the same time? Wouldn't that be an ideal time period to DEPLOY, and simultaneously NUKE out an EMP over those countries?

Is that a potential? (Wondering out loud).

I look at the messages about the "red light" from the sky prophecies, and I look at a RED star detonation evoking a civilization crippling EMP over numerous countries. I wonder...

Oh look, the North Korean Flag - a red star...

[Bob]

Conjecture or potential?

ref: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ck-Kim-Jong-Un

North Korea has satellites perfectly positioned above the US that could be used to launch an unprecedented attack on the country.

Kim Jong-Un's recent belligerence escalated in the past week after he tested the country's first solid-fuel missile - which would be launched with little warning.

The communist dictatorship also has two satellites positioned in an "ideal altitude" above the US to cause irreparable damage to the country's financial system.

According to a Fox News report, politicians in the US are alarmed by the growing threat of a high-altitude nuclear blast and its resultant electromagnetic pulse.

from - http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...m-jong-un-mock

"North Korea MOCKS Donald Trump and vows to obliterate America"