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    Speculation is rife within the physics community about the imminent announcement of the detection of gravity waves. If confirmed, the existence of these long-theorized but never "seen" ripples in space-time will lead to huge advances in the investigation of the very fabric of existence:

    from "Phys.org" ...

    Scientists are set to make a major announcement Thursday on efforts to pinpoint the existence of gravitational waves, or ripples of space and time that transport energy across the universe.

    The waves themselves have never before been directly measured, though Albert Einstein said a century ago they were out there, according to his theory of general relativity.

    They are believed to form around massive objects like black holes and neutron stars, warping space and time.

    If gravitational waves have been spotted, it would mark one of the biggest scientific discoveries of our time, filling in a major gap in our understanding of how the universe was born.

    Rumors began circulating last month that scientists at the Advanced Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory, or LIGO, were writing up a paper on gravitational waves they had discovered using US-based detectors.

    "My earlier rumor about LIGO has been confirmed by independent sources. Stay tuned! Gravitational waves may have been discovered!! Exciting," said a message on Twitter from Arizona State University cosmologist Lawrence Krauss, who does not work with LIGO.

    His words sparked a firestorm of speculation.

    An announcement will be made Thursday at 10:30 am (1530 GMT) at the National Press Club in the US capital Washington.

    The event brings "together scientists from Caltech, MIT and the LIGO Scientific Collaboration to update the scientific community on efforts to detect them," a National Science Foundation statement read.

    They will provide "a status report on the effort to detect gravitational waves –- or ripples in the fabric of spacetime -– using the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-wave Observatory (LIGO)," it said.

    LIGO is a dual set of identical detectors built by scientists at MIT and Caltech to pick up "incredibly tiny vibrations from passing gravitational waves," said the statement.

    One detector is located in Livingston, Louisiana. The other is in Hanford, Washington.

    A team of scientists on a project called BICEP2 (Background Imaging of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization) announced in 2014 that they had discovered these very ripples in space time, but soon admitted that their findings may have been just galactic dust.


    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-02-thursda...ional.html#jCp

    And that would be very, very cool, ladies and gentlemen.
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    Default Re: Announcement of the Discovery of Gravity Waves

    If you are interested about gravity waves, you might want to check on Paul Laviolette (PHD) The Sphynx Stargate,
    http://etheric.com/

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    Default Re: Announcement of the Discovery of Gravity Waves

    From the Guardian:
    Quote The phenomenon was detected by the collision of two black holes. Using the world’s most sophisticated detector, the scientists listened for 20 thousandths of a second as the two giant black holes, one 35 times the mass of the sun, the other slightly smaller, circled around each other.
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...of-the-century

    It will be interesting to have Stephen Hawking’s reaction to this news, now that he has finally come round to the view that black holes do not exist.
    http://starburstfound.org/hawking-fi...k-holes-exist/


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    WASHINGTON/CAMBRIDGE, Mass., Feb 11 (Reuters) - 2016 Scientists said on Thursday they have for the first time detected gravitational waves, ripples in space and time hypothesized by physicist Albert Einstein a century ago, in a landmark discovery that opens a new window for studying the cosmos.

    The researchers said they detected gravitational waves coming from two black holes - extraordinarily dense objects whose existence also was foreseen by Einstein - that orbited one another, spiraled inward and smashed together. They said the waves were the product of a collision between two black holes 30 times as massive as the Sun, located 1.3 billion light years from Earth.

    The scientific milestone, announced at a news conference in Washington, was achieved using a pair of giant laser detectors in the United States, located in Louisiana and Washington state, capping a long quest to confirm the existence of these waves.

    The announcement was made in Washington by scientists from the California Institute of Technology, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the LIGO Scientific Collaboration.

    Like light, gravity travels in waves, but instead of radiation, it is space itself that is rippling. Detecting the gravitational waves required measuring 2.5-mile (4 km) laser beams to a precision 10,000 times smaller than a proton.

    The two laser instruments, which work in unison, are known as the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO). They are able to detect remarkably small vibrations from passing gravitational waves. After detecting the gravitational wave signal, the scientists said they converted it into audio waves and were able to listen to the sounds of the two black holes merging.

    "We're actually hearing them go thump in the night," MIT physicist Matthew Evans said. "We're getting a signal which arrives at Earth, and we can put it on a speaker, and we can hear these black holes go, 'Whoop.' There's a very visceral connection to this observation."

    The scientists said they first detected the gravitational waves last Sept. 14.

    "We are really witnessing the opening of a new tool for doing astronomy," MIT astrophysicist Nergis Mavalvala said in an interview. "We have turned on a new sense. We have been able to see and now we will be able to hear as well."

    The LIGO work is funded by the National Science Foundation, an independent agency of the U.S. government.

    Einstein in 1916 proposed the existence of gravitational waves as an outgrowth of his ground-breaking general theory of relativity, which depicted gravity as a distortion of space and time triggered by the presence of matter. But until now scientists had found only indirect evidence of their existence.

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    Scientists said gravitational waves open a door for a new way to observe the universe and gain knowledge about enigmatic objects like black holes and neutron stars. By studying gravitational waves they also hope to gain insight into the nature of the very early universe, which has remained mysterious.

    Everything we know about the cosmos stems from electromagnetic waves such as radio waves, visible light, infrared light, X-rays and gamma rays. But because such waves encounter interference as they travel across the universe, they can tell only part of the story.

    Gravitational waves experience no such barriers, meaning they can offer a wealth of additional information. Black holes, for example, do not emit light, radio waves and the like, but can be studied via gravitational waves.

    Scientists sounded positively giddy over the discovery.

    "It is really a truly, truly exciting event," said Abhay Ashtekar, director of Penn State University's Institute for Gravitation and the Cosmos. "It opens a brand new window on the universe."

    "The LIGO announcement describes one of the greatest scientific discoveries of the past 50 years," Cornell University physicist Saul Teukolsky added.

    Ashtekar said heavy celestial objects bend space and time but because of the relative weakness of the gravitational force the effect is miniscule except from massive and dense bodies like black holes and neutron stars. He said that when these objects collide, they send out ripples in the curvature of space and time that propagate as gravitational waves.

    The detection of gravitational waves already has provided unique insight into black holes, with the scientists saying it has demonstrated that there are plenty of black holes in the range of tens of solar masses, resolving the long debated issue of the existence of black holes of that size.

    A black hole, a region of space so packed with matter that not even photons of light can escape the force of gravity, was detected for the first time in 1971. Scientists have known the existence of small black holes and so-called supermassive black holes are millions or billions of times as massive as the sun, but had debated the existence of black holes of intermediate size.

    Neutron stars are small, about the size of a city, but are extremely heavy, the compact remains of a larger star that died in a supernova explosion.

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    What a wonderful site, thank you - the graphics alone are inspiring!

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    Default Re: Announcement of the Discovery of Gravity Waves

    Wow! Thanks for posting all the info. and especially the vid.

    As above, so below. Looks like a big plughole. Einstein & Schauberger would have loved to have seen that.

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    Default Re: Announcement of the Discovery of Gravity Waves

    great discovery but i have yet to find an english article that mention the virgo :D

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    Default 'We have detected gravitational waves!' // Einstein's gravitational waves 'seen' from black holes

    'We have detected gravitational waves!', breakthrough discovery confirmed (FULL PRESSER)



    Streamed live 5 hours ago

    Scientists at Washington’s National Science Foundation and Moscow State University
    have confirmed the discovery of Albert Einstein’s gravitational waves. The
    breakthrough, possibly the biggest in physics in a century, could be the key to new
    understanding of the universe.

    "Ladies and gentlemen! We have detected gravitational waves, we did it!," LIGO
    laboratory executive director David Reitze announced in Washington.

    FULL STORY: http://on.rt.com/74aq

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    Einstein's gravitational waves 'seen' from black holes

    By Pallab Ghosh
    Science correspondent, BBC News

    Pallab Ghosh explains the sound of the gravitational wave and a computer visualisation
    Short vid on link....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35524440

    Ripples in the fabric of space-time


    Read More....



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35524440


    Gravitational Waves: 5 reasons why they matter - BBC News [

    Published on 11 Feb 2016

    Scientists have detected gravitational waves that could offer a window on the origin
    of the universe. These waves are ripples in the fabric of space-time that are
    produced when black holes collide and stars explode. The waves were first
    proposed 100 years ago by Albert Einstein, as a key prediction of his Theory of
    General Relativity.The BBC’s Pallab Ghosh explains why the discovery is so
    important.

    Subscribe to BBC News HERE http://bit.ly/1rbfUog


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    EXCLUSIVE: LIGO Physicist Kip Thorne speaks to RT on gravitational waves discovery



    Published on 11 Feb 2016

    Scientists at Washington’s National Science Foundation and Moscow State University
    have confirmed the discovery of Albert Einstein’s gravitational waves.Expert of
    gravitational physics & member of LIGO (Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave
    Observatory) Kip Thorne spoke to RT about the breakthrough, possibly the biggest in
    physics in a century, which could be the key to new understanding of the universe.

    RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

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    LIGO's First Detection of Gravitational Waves! | Space Time | PBS Digital Studios



    Published on 11 Feb 2016

    The lasers have wiggled!

    Tweet at us! @pbsspacetime

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    Default Re: 'We have detected gravitational waves!' // Einstein's gravitational waves 'seen' from black holes

    Does this mean they will soon release news they figured out how to control gravity, making it seem like a new discovery when in fact it was known for decades.

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    Default Re: 'We have detected gravitational waves!' // Einstein's gravitational waves 'seen' from black holes

    What is LIGO ?.....


    LIGO Detects Gravitational Waves



    Published on 11 Feb 2016

    After a decades-long quest, The MIT-Caltech collaboration LIGO Laboratories
    has detected gravitational waves, opening a new era in our exploration of the universe.

    Read more: http://news.mit.edu/2016/ligo-first-d...

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    Default Re: 'We have detected gravitational waves!' // Einstein's gravitational waves 'seen' from black holes

    Some scientific discoveries are important enough to warrant two threads. I'm guessing this is one of them?

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    Default Re: 'We have detected gravitational waves!' // Einstein's gravitational waves 'seen' from black holes

    I think it is two identical frequencies of opposite polarity, that are going into full phase and in doing so they accelerate up to infinity and become one. Why do I believe this? Because I've experienced it - I was one of the two frequencies that went into the merger.

    Other than that, yes my calculations also predict gravitational waves. The great attractor is not a million billion suns. It is much much more dense than that.
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    Default Re: 'We have detected gravitational waves!' // Einstein's gravitational waves 'seen' from black holes

    An article I just saw on the headline page from earlier....

    Every Scientific Law We Have Today Will Be Rewritten In The Next 50 Years

    By David on 11th February 2016 New Physics, What is Reality?





    By WakingTimes February 8, 2016 2 Comments
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    Every Scientific Law We Have Today Will Be Rewritten In The Next 50 Years






    ‘There is a simple reason why science has a very naive understanding of ourselves and our universe.
    It can only discover correlations, not causation. It does not have a concept of quantum measurements.
    It has no tools to measure quantum fields. Since everything in the universe happens at a quantum level,
    science as we know it is only able to breach concepts originating from how relationships function at a
    rudimentary level, but not why those relationships exist. Science and its conclusions are one-dimensional
    and there lies its greatest limitation and ignorance, and thus it will never supersede what humans already
    know about themselves.

    Science is so far behind simple empirical observation, so far behind the actual functioning of the human
    body, so far behind anything remotely relating to the understanding of ourselves and our universe because
    it can’t assess the subatomic forces that guide all matter. Science can’t even measure a quantum field or
    the functioning of more than 90% of our DNA and yet we expect it to be able to determine what a cure is?
    It is not conceptual so it can’t.’

    Read more: Every Scientific Law We Have Today Will Be Rewritten In The Next 50 Years

    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2016/02/0...next-50-years/
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    Default Re: 'We have detected gravitational waves!' // Einstein's gravitational waves 'seen' from black holes

    I find it interesting that they announce it now exactly 100 years after Einstein proposed it.
    This whole thing seems like a setup, when in fact they knew about these waves all along.

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    Default Re: 'We have detected gravitational waves!' // Einstein's gravitational waves 'seen' from black holes

    It's about time, now get to work and get me my damn space car!!!




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    Default Re: Announcement of the Discovery of Gravity Waves

    Good morning!

    Saw this thread and thought I'd share a comment by a guy who spent as he claims "a pretty chunk of Discovery Channel money to tell their story when no one gave a crap".

    I rather like the way he tell it and hope this helps sus out the direction of this conversation about gravitational waves.... and Enjoy!
    Quote What we talk about when we talk about gravitational waves.

    By now you’ve all read the headline: gravitational waves detected at LIGO! Major breakthrough in physics! Einstein confirmed! Scientists just heard the faint sound of two black holes colliding and it’s important! Science science science waves gravity Stephen Hawking SCIENCE!

    So let’s get down to business and cut right through the crap peddling and click baiting. Is this a big deal? Yes. Is anyone telling you why? No, because it’s hard to explain in one headline. Predictably, half the world is getting this as a takeaway: EINSTEIN PROVEN RIGHT! (has there really been any doubt since Dyson’s confirmation in 1919?). LIGO is not about Einstein. I spent 6 months of my life researching and investigating LIGO; I then had the privilege to see it in person when I traveled to Nowhere, Washington and spent a pretty chunk of Discovery Channel money to tell their story when no one gave a crap. From this experience I can tell you, with one singular word, exactly why the current LIGO results are bigger than the Higgs Boson and bigger than Einstein.

    That word is LISA. LISA is going to change everything.

    To understand LISA and LIGO, you need to think about the concept of a telescope from a scientist’s perspective. Suppose you want to study the planet Jupiter. There is nothing in our technological arsenal that is capable of safely sending a human observer to the Jovian sphere, so instead, we use telescopes to parse out the intimate details of this distant world. Our telescopes catch the dim light reflecting off Jupiter, and then magnify it to the point where we can literally watch the weather change. Neat! The laws of physics then clearly state that the bigger your telescope, the more distant stuff you can see. After Edwin Hubble built the world’s largest telescope (at the time) he discovered that the little blurry things were actually distant galaxies, billions of light years away in space and time. Scientists have since built Space born telescopes like COBE, WMAP and PLANCK that are so sensitive, they can see light coming from the very horizon of the Universe. In essence, they can look back in time to the very beginning of everything! Everyone thought that we were about to learn exactly how our Universe suddenly just came to be 13.8 billion years ago.

    Except, the Universe decided to play hardball.

    For the first 400,000 years of our Universe’s existence, light (“electromagnetic radiation”) was trapped inside matter. Because light (“electromagnetic radiation”) could not travel freely, there is thus a solid wall at the 400,000 years year mark that no telescope can ever see past. Think of it like this: whenever you look at a distant star, you are seeing that star as it was millions, perhaps billions, of years ago – this is so, because it has taken the light (“electromagnetic radiation”) from that star many years to reach you. Ok, so instead of looking at a distant star, now take a look at an empty patch of space in the night sky – your telescope is looking as far back in time as the Universe will allow. In this case, it detects light (“electromagnetic radiation”) that originated 400,000 years after the big bang. Without the ability to observe any light (“electromagnetic radiation”) older than 400,000 years after the big bang, we are literally in the dark as to what happened when our Universe was born.

    But what if there was another form of radiation that we could observe?

    There is! Electromagnetic radiation (“light”) not the only form of energetic radiation that can transmit information; as it turns out, objects with mass can also emit GRAVITATIONAL RADIATION. It works like this: if I move an object with electric charge back and forth, it will induce a electromagnetic wave that propagates outwards at the speed of light. If I move an object that has mass, it too will induce a gravitational wave that moves radially outward at the speed of light. But here’s the key difference between gravitational waves and light waves: human beings evolved to detect and process electromagnetic radiation (vision) with our eyeballs because electromagnetic waves are quite large and energetic! Unfortunately, gravitational radiation is so puny that if our Sun were to suddenly explode, we would barely feel the resulting gravitational wave. (Of course, we would also be flung off into the cold expanse of deep space fated to freeze to death, but that’s beside the point.)

    LIGO was a simple proof-of-concept experiment to prove that gravitational waves could be directly detected with a large enough machine and a large enough gravitational even (say, the collision of two black holes many light years away.) LIGO is that machine – it works by firing two laser beams into mirrors to form an “L” shape, each leg being exactly 4 kilometers long. The lasers start at the bottom left and corner of the L, fire outwards, reflect, then converge back at the starting point. If sufficiently strong gravitational radiation happens to pass through Earth, it will stretch and squash the space-time we live in such that the lasers in the L shape will distort by a distance smaller than an atom, and the alarm bells will sound. Simple enough. And yet when LIGO was built, nobody knew if gravitational radiation really existed… even though Einstein predicted it and since 1919, nobody has ever really doubted that Eintstein was wrong. We had indirect evidence of gravitational radiation, but nothing concrete. And so, LIGO was proposed as a billion-dollar proof of obscure science concept – much to the chagrin of 90s era congressional republicans who saw the whole affair as wasteful government spending. Kip Thorn (The “Interstellar Dude”) championed the project, the NSF gave the finger to congress, and LIGO survived. LISA didn’t.

    Over a billion dollars later, the pricey LIGO had only heard crickets… and the occasional truck that rumbled down the road a few miles away from the experiment. NASA abandons LISA and sells whatever could be salvaged to the Europeans.

    And so, a woman enters this story who embodies the very definition human fortitude. Her name is Nergis Malvalvola and she was raised in Pakistan. Today, she is a professor at MIT and CalTech, a Macarthur Fellow, and one of the world’s most respected experimental physicists. She has dedicated her life to perfecting LIGO, and spent decade after decade refining every detail of this billion-dollar project. While she will undoubtedly scold me for this statement, I nevertheless feel obligated to mention that she is a gay woman who obliterated the thick glass ceiling of boys-club physics and deserves to be cherished as a hero to all outsiders who dream of contributing to endeavors greater than themselves. Back to the story: Nergis blazed a trail and led the charge to upgrade the experiment’s sensitivity. She, and her numerous colleagues, collaborated to invent a groundbreaking technique to increase the detector’s sensitivity from resolving the width of an atom, to resolving the width of a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, sub atomic particle. This major upgrade just paid off, because you all just read the headline. The damn thing finally worked!

    Thanks to the brilliance of Nergis and her colleagues, LIGO has now directly observed gravitational waves. Specifically, the gravitational wave radiation from a distant black hole colliding with another black hole. If an electromagnetic radiation based telescope were to resolve this event, it would have to have a mirror larger than orbit of the Earth around the Sun! That is the sheer power of LIGO – humanity’s first gravitational wave telescope! With this successful proof of concept, the time has come to put in LIGO in space, and jack up it’s power to 11.

    LISA stands for the Laser Interferometer Space Antenna. LISA is LIGO, but in space. She works off the same principles, but without having to worry about the curvature of the Earth, her lasers can fire much longer distances to form a gargantuan “L” shape. Remember how light is bounded until 400,000 years after the big bang? Gravity isn’t. In fact, nearly every reputable cosmological model we have predicts testable gravitational radiation artifacts in the earliest moments of the big bang. In other words, we now have the technology to literally look back in time to the very beginning of everything and watch our Universe birth itself. Think about that for a moment.

    TL;DR –

    LIGO just proved that LISA is worth the billions it will cost to put her into space.

    When LISA goes up (or whatever she’s called by then), she will see farther back in time than any other telescope in the history of mankind. Which means…

    …In our lifetimes, we will almost assuredly learn the exact physics of how the Universe (as we know it) came to be.

    So yeah, LIGO’s a big deal.
    TL...is this guy.... Tony Lund Producer, writer, and director of Through the Wormhole.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2810966/

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    Default Re: Announcement of the Discovery of Gravity Waves

    I've been waiting for Miles Mathis to comment on this, ever since I saw this Gravity Wave announcement. Miles Mathis has now debunked this announcement, on his Updates page:
    Quote NEW PAPER , added 2/12/16, Gravity Waves of Propaganda, the Sequel (pdf). I show you how the newest announcement is another massive fraud.
    Mainstream science is getting so absurd it's pathetic.

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    I've been waiting for Miles Mathis to comment on this, ever since I saw this Gravity Wave announcement. Miles Mathis has now debunked this announcement, on his Updates page:
    Quote NEW PAPER , added 2/12/16, Gravity Waves of Propaganda, the Sequel (pdf). I show you how the newest announcement is another massive fraud.
    Mainstream science is getting so absurd it's pathetic.
    Agenda? Ah.

    LISA: The ship the 1% will use to leave Earth, of course.
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