5,000yr old cave painting of alien craft in Hampi, India.

[Billy]

I would like to share a recent adventure I had a few days ago here in India. Not long after I arrived a new friend I met from England left where we met in Gokarna to head to Hampi, a very ancient city with amazing ruins. My intention was to also maybe travel to Hampi as when I was there 13yrs ago I became very sick as soon as I arrived, I could not go out and saw nothing of the place. I left very weak and disappointed.
A few days after my friend arrived he sent me a picture that he thought I would be interested in because of the chats we had in Gokarna. He said a local farmer had flagged him down while traveling through a single track country road in the middle of nowhere. The farmer took him up a trail to see some cave paintings. This is what he sent me. Only one photo but after what I saw I decided I was definitely going to visit.



A close up



It was another week before I was ready to head to Hampi, I arrived at 6am on a sleeper bus and the same day I hired a small bike to try and find the caves. No one I asked in Hampi had heard of them but I found one Indian blog that gave some directions.
http://karnatakatravel.blogspot.in/2...kindi.html?m=1


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No sign posts, stopping to ask locals who all pointed in different directions. After many hours I stopped to ask one man sitting at the roadside with white bulls next to him. And hey presto, this was the farmer who had stopped my friend. He was also the guardian of the cave paintings, employed by the private owner of the land to show visitors around. :clapping:

He took me up a track in a gully with huge boulders on each side, leading to metal gate which he unlocked, we headed further up the track into a clearing which had a natural horseshoe boulders protecting the whole area.



He then took me around to see the cave paintings, this place is awesome and I have many more pictures to share.

I am working from my tablet, so I am going to attempt to post this thread before I proceed any further.

[Billy]

More pictures.
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The heart shaped head of a cobra. And the tail that goes deep into the cave.

[Becky]

Thanks for sharing your adventures and this fantastic art, Billy :-) Looking forward to seeing more pictures.

[Billy]

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There is a female lying down inside the craft.

[take]

This could be anything. Why call it a craft?

[Foxie Loxie]

WOW! For those of us who can no longer travel...this is AWESOME!! Thanks so much!

[Billy]

Not very clear in the photo but there is a being on the right much taller than the females that look like they are running away from the being.

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One of the caves.

[Billy]

Posted by take (here)
This could be anything. Why call it a craft?

Because It looks like a craft to me and i choose to call it a craft.
The guardian who showed me around called it a vimana.
https://www.google.co.in/search?q=ve...lying+machines

Just like the ones painted on this ancient mural in a palace in Pune, India.

[take]

Yes, I understand that. But none of that makes it a craft or proves it to be one, and that's why the word 'craft' seems misleading and out of place here. Great pictures nevertheless.

[conk]

Posted by take (here)
This could be anything. Why call it a craft?

When taken with a much wider body of knowledge, information, and in context of curiosity it certainly looks like a craft. Things are most often as they appear. I'd wager that conspiracy nuts are on target vastly more often than skeptics, whatever the subject. All said with utmost respect for your opinion.

[greybeard]

Posted by conk (here)

Posted by take (here)
This could be anything. Why call it a craft?

When taken with a much wider body of knowledge, information, and in context of curiosity it certainly looks like a craft. Things are most often as they appear. I'd wager that conspiracy nuts are on target vastly more often than skeptics, whatever the subject. All said with utmost respect for your opinion.

Yes conk
I have seen but cant remember where pictures of similar craft in ancient Indian text giving full description of the interior and various levels/rooms within the craft---got the impression that the flying machines were not alien.
They were called Vimanas

found link
Chris

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi..._vimanas_9.htm

[lunaflare]

Thanks for sharing. Seems like a wonderful experience for you.
How do you know these cave paintings are 5000 years old? Just curious. Indigenous people in Australia can be traced back 45,000 years. In some parts (south in Victoria), I have heard 90,000 years.
Did the Indian who showed you these paintings speak English?
Have the works been investigated by archaeologists etc.? Or is this normal to see in parts of India...
Many sites with these types of "suggestive" etchings are destroyed by the military (unfortunately).

[Billy]

Posted by lunaflare (here)
Thanks for sharing. Seems like a wonderful experience for you.
How do you know these cave paintings are 5000 years old? Just curious. Indigenous people in Australia can be traced back 45,000 years. In some parts (south in Victoria), I have heard 90,000 years.
Did the Indian who showed you these paintings speak English?
Have the works been investigated by archaeologists etc.? Or is this normal to see in parts of India...
Many sites with these types of "suggestive" etchings are destroyed by the military (unfortunately).

The guardian of the caves spoke a little English and along with hand gestures we were able to communicate. I noticed there was orange flags high up in the rocks surrounding the enclosure. I asked him what they were. He said they were put there to guide a helicopter in that brought the investigation team in. It was this team that dated the paintings to 5.000 yrs. They said the paint was made from a red clay.
The land is not owned by the government, but owned privately by the land owner who lives in Mumbai. I asked if I could maybe have his phone number, but this was not possible. I hoped to ask questions and maybe see a copy of the investigation report.
I agree with what you say and my impression's was that they were much older than 5.000 yrs. Firstly in my opinion, India was very civilised 5.000 yrs even 10.000 yrs ago.
Although civilised people living in cities would have lived side by side with tribal farmers in remote areas. But what do I know.

I am going out on a limb here. My own feelings was this was a painted documentation of an abduction experience the villagers had witnessed. The female in the craft lying down is being examined by a smaller being. The two beings in the rectangular doorway is I believe what they saw when the craft doors opened. The 4 females seem to be running away from a taller being. The one closest to the being is very faint. He seems to have a hold of her. The pictures do not do what I saw justice.



I returned two days after with some friends I met. They had better equipment for photo's than my tablet. They said they will email all their photo's to me at some point.

I contacted a friend Marton Molnar-gob i have on Facebook. He and Wayne Herschel are good friends and sometimes work together. If anyone knew of these paintings it would be them. Marton first heard of it in 2011 and posted a piece on FB. He was excited I was actually going to visit the site.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

His diagram.

[Sunny-side-up]

Great find and post Billy

India has much to show us/has shown us much

[Ewan]

I'd venture it is a lot older than 5,000 years. Nice thread.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Ewan (here)

I'd venture it is a lot older than 5,000 years. Nice thread.

Yes... these things are very hard to date (no organic material to carbon-date), and archaeologists often just guess. I've personally seen similar paintings in the Kalahari Desert (but none that look like craft!) that are estimated to be about 25,000 years old. That's quite a difference.

[Billy]

A little update. After some intense research today, I managed to find out which organisation carried out the survey on the cave paintings and were responsible for sending the team of archaeologists to the site.
They are the Archaeological survey of India. ASI. The deputy superintendent, a Mr. T.M. Keshava was quoted in the Bangalore express in 2010 on his findings. I have not managed to find the article or a contact for Mr. Keshava but I emailed the Director General of ASI, Dr.Rakesh Tewari and requested a copy of the report. I await a reply.

I will share more pictures.
This one is not a painting but was etched out of the stone on the floor entrance of one of the caves.


This one was very high up above the caves and must have been a challenge for the artist to reach.



close ups of the larger being next to the smaller females.

[Billy]

While searching for more info on the above cave paintings I came across an article in The Times of India news paper from 2014 on the same theme but different caves. Thought I would share as it is all connected.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/38435091.cms
10,000-year-old rock paintings depicting aliens and UFOs found in Chhattisgarh.ttisgarh state department of archaeology and culture plans to seek help from Nasa and Isro for research on 10,000-year-old rock paintings depicting aliens and UFOs in Charama region in Kanker district in tribal Bastar region.
According to archaeologist JR Bhagat, these paintings have depicted aliens like those shown in Hollywood and Bollywood flicks. Located about 130km from Raipur, the caves come under village Chandeli and Gotitola.
"The findings suggest that humans in prehistoric times may have seen or imagined beings from other planets which still create curiosity among people and researchers. Extensive research is needed for further findings. Chhattisgarh presently doesn't have any such expert who could give clarity on the subject," Bhagat told TOI.


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Read more here.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...w/38435091.cms

[Pam]

Posted by Billy (here)
A little update. After some intense research today, I managed to find out which organisation carried out the survey on the cave paintings and were responsible for sending the team of archaeologists to the site.
They are the Archaeological survey of India. ASI. The deputy superintendent, a Mr. T.M. Keshava was quoted in the Bangalore express in 2010 on his findings. I have not managed to find the article or a contact for Mr. Keshava but I emailed the Director General of ASI, Dr.Rakesh Tewari and requested a copy of the report. I await a reply.

I will share more pictures.
This one is not a painting but was etched out of the stone on the floor entrance of one of the caves.
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This one was very high up above the caves and must have been a challenge for the artist to reach.

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close ups of the larger being next to the smaller females.

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Billy, thanks for the great photos. I am wondering if you might be able to explain about the low er painting. For each of the larger characters, it seems they are attached by a chord that's shape is repeated twice. They are the most pronounced lines in the paintings. Can you tell what you think they are, since you actually saw the paintings?

[Atlas]

Posted by take (here)
This could be anything [...]

Possibly a map...?

"Deciphering the exact meaning of the paintings was not easy for the experts. Reaching the site itself was an arduous task as it was surrounded by a hillock overlooking a valley and accessible only through a narrow passage.



Researchers found many similarities with the modern-day maps. The triangular marks used to represent hillocks on these maps are similar to the symbols used by surveyors.

Further, the narrow passage has been compared to the figure of a human being, while the ladder-like symbol indicates a pathway. It took Keshava and his team almost a year to confirm the findings. "

Source: http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repos.../28&ID=Ar00900