Posted by Hawkwind
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I don’t know if attempting to discuss this any further is really going to do any good. It seems that you see your truth as “THE TRUTH” and consequently anyone having a different perspective is, by default, wrong. From my perspective, if you view anger/lust/fire chi as the only primal forces at work in the universe to the exclusion of love and compassion, then you’re only seeing half the picture.
I didn't say that. I said that fire chi is the energy that powers our energetic systems and the universe. Love, on the other hand, is a state of being, it isn't an energy at all.
Why are you dissing lust and anger so much? I thought truthers were supposed to be anti-establishment??? Anger does not equal aggression. Lust does not equal promiscuity. They exist in pure forms.
Yeah, absolute truth exists and is not open to interpretation. The trouble is, it only exists as such when directly experienced in its entirety, and that’s just not a trick that the egoic mind can pull off. To the extent that ego remains our view of “THE TRUTH” is limited and distorted by it. Since we cannot maintain existence on the physical plane without ego, and since you and I are both still here, I’d suggest that both of us are expressing “our relative truth” not “THE TRUTH”.
We can maintain existence on the physical plane without being controlled by our egos. It's just that human beings have a million interpretations as to what the ego is so most people don't realise that detaching from the ego is a relatively simple process.
The ego is a construct. An unfortunate fault of the imagination or the subjective reasoning process. As human beings are able to 'imagine' and then 'create' we come to believe that all of our imaginings are tangible creations, we think they're real. Thus, every idea that we've heard or had about ourself, others and the world itself etc, we think is real and we use it to create our identity or sense of self. An ego self. This ego self is the sum of our conditioning except it's not actually us. It relies on constant validation and reassurance to reinforce its ideas about itself and it is constantly modifying its programming in accordance with our experiences and the ‘feedback’ we’ve received from the outer world.
Overcoming the ego self is a simple two step process. We need to let go of all of our beliefs, opinions, viewpoints, perspectives and perceptions and we do that by actively ignoring any judgments, labels and predictions we might think. We also need to overcome our addiction to validation and reassurance, to stop doing those things that support our distorted views.
This process is simple but it isn't easy. In fact, it's one of the most painful and frustrating things you will ever do. It is akin to rewiring your brain and can lead to dark night of the soul like events. It can be helpful to recruit others into the process to keep watch for judgments, predictions and labels.
And what of someone who works for a company, finds out their hurtful and harmful practices and posts a video about that on youtube? And what of the viewers who decide not to work for that company or buy its products because of the information presented in that video?
I would call that activism. Truthers aren't activists. They take activists information and then use it to make doomsday predictions. Not the same thing. I should have clarified my definition of a 'truther' from the start. I didn't make that clear. My apologies.
From my perspective, the best any of us can do is follow our heart and then trust that the universe will present us with the lessons we need. For me, part of that has been seeking out and sharing information about how the world really works. Have I devoted too much time to that endeavor to the exclusion of other matters? Yeah, probably. Do I now know enough about the subject to move on in other ways? Most definitely. So what’s stopping me? Well, lack of a viable game plan mostly.
Taking on the system single-handedly is relatively pointless. Or rather, we could accomplish infinitely more working together than we can working separately. As you said, “we need to coordinate”. Trouble is, in order to coordinate we have to agree on both goals and methods. I’ve made at least six serious attempts at getting something along those lines off the ground, and failed miserably each time. So, I hang out here and a few other places that I reckon are good fishing spots, and I’m waiting for another opportunity to present itself. If you have a viable plan for getting us out of the collective mess we’re in, as they say- I’m all ears.
I hear you. I often say we can bring the whole world down in two easy steps but it relies on everyone's participation. It's hard to get that when so many people are working at cross purposes to each other and the people that have some actual power here aren't saying or doing what needs to be done to actually make a difference, instead their at home making videos on their computers.
I'm not sure if you realise, but we have a fairly tight window here. The internet will be virtually useless in a few years. There will be so much information on there that it will be nearly impossible to find anything or get anything out. It's happening now. I'm doing my PhD atm and I have to wade through 5 to 15 google screens before I can find what I'm looking for. The truth is being buried in bulls**t.
Posted by iamnoone
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The truth movement was designed to work against us.
Well, efforts are definitely being made to control it toward that end, but designed from its onset to serve that purpose? I hardly think so. Also, yes, we now have more than enough substantiated information to bring the system down, but that didn’t just magically appear. Thousands of people worked their asses off, many risked and more than a few lost their lives to bring that information to light. Your statement not only fails to give any recognition to those sacrifices, it flat out dismisses them as less than useless. I respectfully disagree.
Activists did that. I recognise their sacrifices. The truth movement exists to disseminate misinformation and crazy conspiracy theories. That truth exists in the movement is because it works very well in convincing you a lie is also true.
Posted by iamnoone
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As for recognizing and assimilating spiritual truth. THERE ISN'T ANY. AT least, not in the sense that you would consider. The only spiritual truth that exists is this is how energy works, this is how the chakras work, this is how the universe works. All of this information is practical not esoteric and there is far far less of it than you would imagine.
Okay, well since we’ve already established that I (and probably everyone else on this forum) have no understanding of “THE TRUTH” (from your perspective), please – by all means- enlighten me/us. What is the ultimate answer to life, the universe and everything?
What I said. Truth is objective. When it comes to spiritual truth, the only objective spiritual truth is how energy works, how chakras work, how the universe works to support the spiritual process. What you're supposed to do, how you're supposed to be and any other questions that may arise from the human condition disappear when you awaken.
I believe the ultimate answer to life, the universe and everything is 42.
Seriously, we really are just the universe knowing itself and what is ultimately powering this whole thing is curiosity.
Posted by iamnoone
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I DIDN'T CLAIM TO BE AWAKENED.....
You claimed that the information you were presenting is based on absolute truth, not relative truth. Absloute truth is only accessible when one is awakened, so I hope you’ll excuse my confusion.
There's no such thing as relative truth. Ever. That is a trick of the ego (and people who don't actually know anything). My comments about the truth movement are based on objective observation of the movement as a whole. I have been watching it for 20 or so years. And it has failed. Any wins have come from activists like Julian Assange or, dangerously, from nontruth issues like vaccination where we have entire regions in Australia where children are not being vaccinated and babies are now dying.
My comments about the energy system are based on actually having one and being able to feel it and how it works and interacts and so on and then working with thousands of people and feeling their energy systems and how they work and how they interact and so on.
Posted by iamnoone
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Yes, we take in, transmute and transmit energy but if you're using these words in the same way the internet does, then no. You'll have to explain what you mean by these concepts practically for me to understand.
Since you’ve already concluded that
Posted by iamnoone
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That you would even bring this up confirms absolutely you don't know what you're talking about.
, what would be the point of me explaining further?
Energy work isn't up for debate. It is how it is. It works how it works. Why would it be any other way? As above, so below. Everyone's cardiovascular systems work in the same way. Their endocrine systems work in the same way. Their digestive systems work in the same way.
If you work with energy and can actually feel energy you would know this (and so would everyone else who claims to work with energy).
Posted by iamnoone
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No such thing as frequency. There is no ranking for energy. Whoever came up with this idea has NO understanding of how energy and the chakras work. Your energy can be flowing better or it can be flowing stronger but the quality of the energy isn't any different you're just more open today.
Yeah, energy is energy, but using it to run a washing machine has a very different effect from using it to run an air conditioner. Likewise, moving energy into the first chakras has very different effects from moving it into the fourth chakra. (Honestly, I don’t see the point of my trying to clarify myself any further than that on this point. If anything I say doesn’t correlate perfectly with your experience, you’ll just dismiss it as wrong. As a friend used to put it, “There are none so blind as those who disagree.”)
Except that you're also disagreeing. And you're also describing pop culture understandings of how the chakra system works. It doesn't work like that. Energy doesn't move through the chakras and elevate you or itself in any way, it doesn't improve in quality, the chakras aren't a hierarchy, that's a human idea. They just each have a job to do, just like the organs, the heart, the lungs, the liver etc.
For example, the heart chakra does not create energy, it's just where we feel our emotions, there's no such thing as love energy. It's actually the solar plexus which takes all the energies and mixes them up to create feelings and states of beings. This is probably all a bit too complicated to squeeze in a little post here but I'm hoping you get the point.
Also, our energy is always moving through all of the chakras. Sometimes the chakras can be not running as well and so our energy doesn't run as well either but that doesn't mean our energy isn't getting through at all.
Posted by iamnoone
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The truth movement is so dangerous because it makes you think you know something special or fancy that no one else knows. It doesn't wake you up, it blinds you.
That is a potential pitfall, yes. The most spiritually evolved culture on the planet that I’m aware of, however, was Tibet- and that didn’t save them from the Chinese, anymore than being more spiritually evolved than the Europeans saved the American Indians. So, if we value having even the possibility of following spiritual paths, the plans to institute a totalitarian New World Order must be stopped. That can only happen if a sufficient number of people are sufficiently motivated to stop it. That, in turn, can only happen if a sufficient number of people become aware that such plans even exist. So, risky or not, being involved in the truth movement is the best shot we’ve got at getting out of this mess, as far as I can see.
This whole totalitarian world communist government thing, stepping outside of David Icke's polished performances, can you try to follow the logic here? What does the elite have to gain from this? Further, what do they have to gain from this that they're not already getting? What might be an easier way to control a population? If a totalitarian government came into place, what might be the fallout of that? Have you read any of Noam Chomsky's work?
Posted by iamnoone
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I found the stab about being seduced by the path of power particularly hurtful.
That was not my intention, and I’m sorry that the comment had that effect.
You accused me of being seduced by the path of power. What effect did you think that would have? If it wasn't your intent to hurt, what was your intent? I'm confused.
Posted by iamnoone
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You don't know me. You don't know my life.
No, I do not, but the reverse is also true.
I didn't accuse you of being seduced by the path of power.
Posted by iamnoone
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There is no path to power.
Oh really? I’ve met a few people whom I believe could convince you otherwise.
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