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    Well, my friend, I think any benefit that anyone may have derived from our little exchange has already been had. I do have a few more comments Iíd like to make in response to your last post, but beyond that I donít much see the point of devoting any more energy here. Thank you for sharing your views, and best of luck with wherever your journey takes you.

    Quote Posted by iamnoone (here)
    Except the truth beyond rich people, governments and big business are not necessarily working in your best interests and some clear, objective, verifiable and convincing evidence to support that claim is pretty much all you need to know.
    That is perhaps all that would be needed to get people motivated to act. Without a clear understanding of the size, structure and nature of the opposing forces, however, there wouldnít be a hope in hell of overcoming them.

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    My observations are completely objective because I have NOTHING invested in this.
    Bull.

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    What are right wing answer to the issues that are confronting our world? You don't seem to have one beyond avoiding our current trajectory. you do realise that being a rightwinger really only serves you if your in the elite right?
    What on Earth gave you the impression that my political views are right wing?

    Quote Posted by iamnoone (here)
    They made you so terrified of the collective that you think socialism and communism are evil plans to enslave you.
    What on Earth gave you the impression that Iím terrified?

    Quote Posted by iamnoone (here)
    If anyone is telling you there is a dark path, they are lying to you
    Bull (although want you mean by the term and what I mean are likely very different things.)

    Quote Posted by iamnoone (here)
    JFK was not the person you thought he was.
    Now youíre telling me that you not only know what kind of person I think JFK was, but that Iím wrong. Use of your psychic abilities also, no doubt, does not interfere with the objectivity of your observations.

    Quote Posted by iamnoone (here)
    Ultimately though, it doesn't actually matter. That we think such things could happen, tells me something is seriously wrong with the systems we have in place.
    Yes, but unless you see clearly exactly what is wrong with the current system and how pervasive the problems are, you can not possibly fix them.

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    OK guys and girls... to get back on topic, I don,t like Alex Jones, it`s something gutteral and instinctive...I just don,t like him, he does talk about real things and real problems... but it is always about things that I am already
    informed about...it seems more manipulative than informative... then he mixes it up with his political views.... this is only my humble opiniůn.....

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    Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
    Quote Posted by iamnoone (here)

    they are ALL schills, either knowingly or unwittingly.
    Me, too?

    Do tell.
    We all know you have a gold Rolex under that hat!

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    Why exactly are we arguing? I'm totally lost. I really don't understand the point you're trying to make. As far as I can see, I don't trust the truth movement and think it is now working against us. I've made my points fairly clearly. You disagree, which is fine, but for some reason we're still arguing and I can't work out why since all I've called for here is a spiritual awakening and I've corrected any assertions you made regarding the magical powers of the elite. In your last few posts you've skipped over the context of my comments and pulled out the odd phrase and held it up for further conflict but to no real actual end, at least, not that I can see.

    I suppose this argument is one of the reasons why I'm so against the movement, if I don't agree with all the crazy lala, I'm a sheeple or a disinformation agent. Calling me such doesn't really help your cause. As I have said before, it's the middle class that need to change the world, they have the numbers and the real power on this planet if they can manage to coordinate. They are smart and savvy. You are not going to convince them of anything by insulting them. Smart people need real evidence. All this movement is attracting at the moment is people who already feel disempowered, people who have been kept out of the 'game' because they're not smart enough or attractive enough to fit in, as well as misfits, rebels and hippies and no one has enough actual power to effect any actual change or investigate anything. The investigations are done by actual journalists, hackers or people who work for suspect organisations. Their information is usually released mainstream or picked up by mainstream media and then picked up by truthers who claim they knew it all along. The only information released by truthers are conspiracies relating to aliens, reptiles, ritual magic, ancient magic or knowledge, or analysis of past historical events. These releases are based on conjecture only and provide no evidence beyond 'expert' speculation and 'eye witness' testimony. Smart people need more than this. Smart people are naturally skeptical yet the truth movement continues to treat us all like we are idiots. Smart people know that rich people want to be rich and will do basically anything to stay that way using both governments and big business to achieve their ends. Smart people also know that changing the system will be very difficult and will likely result in a massive loss of lives and so before they commit to a cause they need to know that it will be worth it. Smart people also know that if nothing changes they and their children will be fine, maybe they won't be super rich, but they will be comfortable and so they need to know that if they are going to be joining this fight it will be for a very very good reason. You will not win them over by flouting crazy conspiracy theories or insulting them or their intelligence.

    Governments tell me to be afraid of terrorists. The truth movement tells me to be afraid of the government, big business, pharmaceutical companies, my family doctor, hospitals, nutritionists, scientists, archaeologists, paleontologists, historians, environmentalists, animal rights activists, feminists, the UN, NATO, NASA, socialists, communists and so on and so on.

    But the truth movement isn't causing fear and division, right? Really?
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    AND THERE IS NO FRICKING MAGIC. There is no dark path in energy work (just people who are c**ts. All a vampire or dark magician can do is make themselves more confident and we can all do that, hardly anything to worry about, or they can destabilise you so that you feel less confident and life gets a bit harder until you set yourself right again). Do you have magic? Do you know anyone who has magic? Send them my way. Happy to call them out for you. I know this mainly because I know how energy works but I've also seen people who claim to work with the dark and the magic and rituals I've been told about wouldn't do jack.

    Honestly, do you think the universe is retarded? Do you really think it isn't smart enough to predict that bad people might want to get all the power for themselves and that it should probably do something about that? Do you not think that there are failsafes? I can reassure you that there are. Too much chi makes you psychotic not magical. All stealing someone's energy can do is make you confident, exactly like the vampires you see on tv. There's a reason these myths come about. Real, true energetic confidence is good, don't get me wrong, it makes you feel positively godlike ala Donald Trump but there's no real magic and it is easily defeated.

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    My apologies to anyone following this thread and the forum in general. I really hadnít intended to make any further response in my ongoing debate with iamnoone, but Iím finding I cannot with a clear conscience let this one slide.

    Dear Mr. Iamnoone-

    Thank you for the admonition regarding not winning people over to a way of thinking by being insulting. Youíre quite right, and I apologize for occasionally stooping to the use of sarcasm in corresponding with you. May I point out, however, that you have categorized all truthers (of which I consider myself one) as liars, crazies and deliberate deceivers. You have further categorized everyone who has spoken out about the possible dangers of vaccines and conventional cancer treatments (a group which also includes myself) as idiots, and hold this group as responsible for the deaths of people who listened to them. Youíve categorized the truth movement itself, something which I devoted over 30 years of my life to, as not only ineffectual, but harmful. I hope that you can understand that such comments, labels and attitudes might also be viewed by some as a tad insulting. You have come to these conclusions, evidently, without having done any personal investigation of the claims being made and the evidence being presented by people within said movement. Yet you view your conclusions as objective and beyond reproach.

    In short, you have come into a space that many people here consider one of the most valued places to meet and exchange information on the planet, called us all losers and fools, metaphorically spat in our faces and are basically telling all of us to repent from our false beliefs. In fact, given your view of the movement itself and its participants, itís difficult to imagine any other purpose for your joining us here other than to be as belligerent and disruptive as possible.

    I again apologize to the other members of the forum for my unwitting enabling of that process (I can be a bit thick at times), and I again wish you, sir, the best of luck in wherever your journey takes you.

    That's it. I promise my participation in this particular debate is officially at an end.
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    If it wasn't for Alex, doing his citizen reporting (Back in the day.) We would not know about the Cremation of Care Ceremony
    that the Elites participate in, at the Grove.

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    Quote Posted by Hawkwind (here)
    My apologies to anyone following this thread and the forum in general. I really hadnít intended to make any further response in my ongoing debate with iamnoone, but Iím finding I cannot with a clear conscience let this one slide.

    Dear Mr. Iamnoone-

    Thank you for the admonition regarding not winning people over to a way of thinking by being insulting. Youíre quite right, and I apologize for occasionally stooping to the use of sarcasm in corresponding with you. May I point out, however, that you have categorized all truthers (of which I consider myself one) as liars, crazies and deliberate deceivers. You have further categorized everyone who has spoken out about the possible dangers of vaccines and conventional cancer treatments (a group which also includes myself) as idiots, and hold this group as responsible for the deaths of people who listened to them. Youíve categorized the truth movement itself, something which I devoted over 30 years of my life to, as not only ineffectual, but harmful. I hope that you can understand that such comments, labels and attitudes might also be viewed by some as a tad insulting. You have come to these conclusions, evidently, without having done any personal investigation of the claims being made and the evidence being presented by people within said movement. Yet you view your conclusions as objective and beyond reproach.

    In short, you have come into a space that many people here consider one of the most valued places to meet and exchange information on the planet, called us all losers and fools, metaphorically spat in our faces and are basically telling all of us to repent from our false beliefs. In fact, given your view of the movement itself and its participants, itís difficult to imagine any other purpose for your joining us here other than to be as belligerent and disruptive as possible.

    I again apologize to the other members of the forum for my unwitting enabling of that process (I can be a bit thick at times), and I again wish you, sir, the best of luck in wherever your journey takes you.

    That's it. I promise my participation in this particular debate is officially at an end.
    Aside from all the negativity generated from difference of opinion this thread has been quite informative.
    We have to appreciate the value of people like iamnoone, and what they bring to the conversation.
    Without their points of view, we wouldn't be sparked to ask all of these questions. He or she and others like him/her are valuable tools...

    I would like to see this thread get back on track of deciphering the OP.
    As I brought to light the fact that the very authors the OP uses to claim 'AJ exposed?', shows that they are involved, or were involve because Cooper was killed, in the same things as AJ with exception of the first author who was linked to the KKK etc.

    Links to my post with info and links that bring question to the intent and validity and credibility of the position of the authors in question, and the OP him/herself?

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1050074

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1050076

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...=1#post1051312

    The OP hit on a lot of interesting subjects that don't belong in this thread But like I said we need tools like that to become more informed.
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    Quote Posted by Hawkwind (here)
    I donít know if attempting to discuss this any further is really going to do any good. It seems that you see your truth as ďTHE TRUTHĒ and consequently anyone having a different perspective is, by default, wrong. From my perspective, if you view anger/lust/fire chi as the only primal forces at work in the universe to the exclusion of love and compassion, then youíre only seeing half the picture.
    Hawkwind, I assume you are referring to your "discussions" with iamnone so I thought I would quickly share my experience in attempting to dialogue with this person. Unfortunately, I found it impossible to dialogue with someone who operates from an ego that needs to present itself as a "know it all". I found it quite unproductive so I simply gave up and went elsewhere on the forum.
    Our destiny is in our hands. Let us visualise a world of truth, freedom and equality.

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    Quote Posted by Curiosity (here)
    This is what's valuable in truth movements. It brings people together that care enough to at least attempt to bring on change. Sharing information on forums and social media is a great way to do this.

    Contrary to iamnoone's beliefs and truths, bringing to light 'facts and realities' of criminal conspirators and their actions, brings people together. This forms groups of people in a position that can set in action processes that bring change, and find solutions to the problems. You cant' fix something if you don't know it exists. So never give up

    Unfortunately we run into brick walls, deniers, even family members that think you are nuts, people that simply fear the very idea so they choose to put their head in the sand. Then there is the worst problem: DISINFO AGENTS, and people the will stop at nothing to turn you against the 'truth movement'.

    This is obvious in the totality of the OPs posts, this IS the glaring message iamoone projects throughout the entire thread.
    Well... It was seriously designed to be a polarizing opening post, and iamnoone ran with the polarity portion of the ball, didn't she?

    In the end, we are all responsible for absorbing information from a variety of sources, whatever they may be, and determining our own paradigm of the universe, 3d, spirituality, and where to focus one's efforts. And free will of course, respecting each other's free will, should be paramount while we travel through this lifetime.

    Quote Aside from all the negativity generated from difference of opinion this thread has been quite informative.
    We have to appreciate the value of people like iamnoone, and what they bring to the conversation.
    Without their points of view, we wouldn't be sparked to ask all of these questions. He or she and others like him/her are valuable tools...
    ~ Mod hat on ~

    I disagree.

    People (especially newbies to the forum) may from time to time need to be informed we DO take the guidelines seriously, and we DO expect members to treat one another with respect. This means saying things like, "I have a different opinion on this aspect of the opening post, and here is how I arrived at that conclusion" or "I read from this link, that yadda yadda, wouldn't that in turn yadda yadda", not the ad hominem crap we've seen exhibited on this thread.

    iamnoone:

    Please treat others with respect. Quite a few members on this thread have gently hinted you are rudely pushing your position onto other members (and as a newbie to Avalon no less ). You lose it if someone disagrees with you, and you are ignoring the most important (and spiritual, I will point out, since the kitchen sink, and a box of chakras was dragged onto this thread) aspect of Avalon, which is the relationships we have with one another.

    We'll never ALL agree. That is just the way it is. Hawkwind (and Andre too apparently on another thread) is doing what you should have done pages ago. Agree to disagree after you've done your (respectful) data dump to the best of your understanding, and move on.

    This is the primary reason people join Project Avalon, that members treat one another with respect. The mod team doesn't appreciate the way you are using this forum to express your opinions.

    You are a newbie. Read the guidelines. Practice a little dispassion in your expression. Range the forum to pick up the flavor. Find a few threads where we have spirited arguments conducted with respect as well as wide ranging viewpoints. I'd check out the posts of Sigma6 and TargeT, who know how to bluntly disagree without kicking the stuffing out of people or dumbing down the subject. Check out Greybeard, who speaks to all with the greatest respect. That, is what we're looking for in members. Not perfection, not uniformity, just respect, tolerance, and one's best understanding of the material under discussion. (And FYI, threads in favor of the flat earth paradigm etc. get short shrift around here, sorry.)

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    To the Project Avalon moderator:

    Perhaps it is appropriate to ask iamnone to leave this forum. Iamnone has clearly demonstrated through a series of extensive posts that his/her main aim is to denigrate and put down the truth movement, everthing in it and everyone who subscribes to it and this surely is contrary to the role of Project Avalon which has the aim of promoting the truth movement! By his/her own admission, he/she does not support Project Avalon or its aims and as such, I do not think his/her participation in this forum is justified.

    For the life of me, I do not understand why this person even bothers to post to a truth movement forum when their sole intention is to label everyone in it and beyond as idiots, etc., etc., etc.

    In addition, it is not entirely outside the realm of possibility that iamnoone represents a new breed of shill. Either way, this person is wasting all of our time because he/she is totally unwilling to engage in a constructive open dialogue and has demonstrated an eager enthusiasm to put down, argue and deny anything remotely indicative of the "phoney" truth movement.
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    First I want to clarify my statement saying "people like iamnoone are valuable tools". That statement was in reference to people like me, that are driven to do research on any of these subjects, are often given points to ponder, and look into further even by someone like this poster. I in no way condone the kind of disrespectful argumentative nonsensical attitude he/she displayed in the majority of post on this thread. I was merely stating that anything that was actually relevant to the subject matter, that did by chance appear in those posts, caused me to go look into those subjects even further, there by learning more facts along the way for me to draw conclusions from.

    I agree with Andre 100%. I too thought early in the thread the possibility iamnoone being a shill, if not a paid shill definitely uses classic shill tactics to impose his/her view points on us. Also to evade direct questions relevant to the subject matter. This definitely makes constructive conversation impossible.

    However I have not had any interaction on any other threads this individual has participated in. So I can't give an honest opinion whether or not this person should be asked to leave the forum.

    Regards.
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    Arriving late to the gathering in this thread, I noticed the commotion and looked inside the gathering place to listen.......I felt the anger and heard different languages being spoken, wondering how the cultures could understand each other. It is a reflection of the apparent nature of the thread, looking thru the harsh nature of a speaker, AJ, to see the truths he is or is not expressing.

    Much kindness arrived from many, yet one stood out amongst them, challenging them to recognize something he sees. She was as tired as they were but her pain was so deep she forgot they too were worn and weary from the many journeys they had lived thru. Their difference was a deep cultivation of the only thing that they know is true, beyond all of the words and the confusions expressed, finally found in a forum of respect, honesty and love. Yes Love.

    They all know Love is the truth worth living. And by the way, F*** No, their Love is not hokey or born of a flaccid resignation to the state of intensity this world sometimes holds, or the dwindling energetic that the illusion of age brings. Their Love is a Warriors Way. It holds that fearless humility to live in the truth that words only hint at.

    They have carefully thought thru the words they would share, knowing that there are still, even in kindness, harsh truths they would have to challenge others with, just as they did with themselves. They know that the depth of caring for anything has to be given with all of the awareness they can open up to.

    It took many a long time to see that their words, their expressions, their journeys would be honored amongst a group of siblings whose growth was born on the cusp of an immense planetary awakening. They realized that it doesn't matter how dishonest and corrupt their world had become if they did not create their world with the love that makes living a worthy journey. They found that love here on this forum. Challenge that love with your self worth and you will be heard. Challenge it with anger and you will be dismissed, for it is within your expression you will remove yourself. It is the essence of this forum.

    Be kind to yourself, listening for solutions. Walk beyond the potion of poisons you have learned to concoct for yourself my friend, for we, your friends, have walked on ahead after dropping our own viles. If the engagement with your intensity has lasted this long, why do you think that is so, if not for some similarity in our lives. You may knock as hard as you want on the door, but it is the door to your own home you are injuring. It is the parent you must be when you have left the ones who have raised you, good or bad, caring or indifferent, oblivious or well aware.

    You have always been amongst friends. Maybe you just forgot that we have all been you and you are certainly some of us. So, as easy as it is to change your name in this little space I, only as a friend, would suggest you do it. As anyone who would debate your assertions, many which are valid, I will not do so. I do know that you are someone amongst many ones, CERTAINLY NOT NO ONE, who, at the least, has won this reality of self-acceptance.

    If it is not PC to ask this of anyone, then I don't belong here. Who am I to ask, of a friend unseen, unknown, wearing a mask of anger and hiding the truths of her deeper experiences, to stay and grow. I, for one, recognize the rarity of this forum in it's ability to transcend the fear of words in the face of truths that are shared by strong hearts.

    I now understand why you chose the name "I am no one". I thought that it was 'I am noone', some one with the inherited or chosen last name of noone. After all of the obvious, deeply heartfelt nature of the forum it is not up to me to state the bold incongruity of that name, but after these exchanges I am not one to let the reality of someone reaching out, from the very beginning, go unanswered.

    I find that hard to believe, that you are no one, as that implies you are egoless. In the absence of ego there is no anger, yet in your words I see many truths told thru anger. Do not stop telling those truths that many here see would do well turned inside then, filtered thru a deeper truth only you can know, outside and more clearly understood..

    I too have come to those times of frustration with half ass belief systems and the ad nauseum repetition of "accepted" truths. I also have found that a harsh, albeit factual, perspective was just another game in the manipulation of my energies, a human hypnotic born of the parasitic darkness that I had to find on my own was just another illusion, one I did not have to accept, especially in view of my own life. That negative state of being tested my health, especially when there were so many who weren't seeing the simplicity of the many cons they were accepting as truths. The manipulation of humanity is just as much about the disempowerment of the mind and it's limitations as it is of immoral and dishonest manipulations, the removal of personal freedoms.

    If this forum is anything it is about empowerment of the individual. I would like to believe that many here would consider that empowerment alone as a great legacy beyond the words, images, inspirations and challenges we have gifted to others and ourselves. There is life in the creativity of the words we share.

    I do believe you have some insightful things to share, like most here, and damn it 'youaresomeone' I urge you to find the depth in order to communicate those truths. Here is my hand......
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    There are builders. There are destroyers. There are productive people. There are unproductive parasites. There are harmless people. There are predators.
    There are those who follow the law of love. There are those who follow the law of the jungle.
    Guess which people need to use deception, dissension, misdirection, fraud and terror to succeed?
    The secret of life is that there is no secret of life.

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    First off, iamnooneís gender is listed as female, I failed to check that brfore referring to her as ďsirĒ. So, my bad, and hopefully that will put an end to the proper pronoun debate.

    Second, I think she summed up her reason for joining the forum with the statement:
    Quote Posted by iamnoone (here)
    ... This is when I become involved, when babies are dying of whooping cough or idiots from cancer because truthers have convinced them that meds are evil....
    Sheís on a crusade to stop the harm the information weíre spreading is doing in the world, and face it, it is doing harm. Someone posts a very well researched and documented study on something like chemtrails, someone else takes that study and condenses it down to news article with a sensationalized title, someone else takes the news article and condenses it down to a social media meme with a text something along the lines of ďThe sky is falling!!!Ē and soon turkey lurkey and goosey loosey are running around with chicken little in a panic. That result does not in any way detract from the validity of the initial study, but it does point out the need to take great care in maintaining the integrity of the information we share.

    One other of iamnooneís points that I entirely agree with is that if we are to succeed in throwing off tyranny what will be required is a spiritual awakening, and weíre going about that in the wrong way. We need to get coordinated in our efforts.

    Overall, I found my exchange with her interesting and insightful, albeit at times frustrating. Iíd like to invite her, as Sierra has already done, to put her crusade on hold for a bit and hang out here for a while. (You may find that at least some of us are not quite so duplicitous or crazy as you seem to currently believe, and even if that is not the case, itís unfair, unobjective and illogical to assume that conclusion a prior, without first examining the evidence).

    As for me, Iíve deepened my respect for what a unique gathering place of minds and knowledge this forum represents, and Iíve reminded myself to make sure my shoes arenít muddy before entering.

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    Quote Posted by Andre (here)

    I would quickly share my experience in attempting to dialogue with this person. Unfortunately, I found it impossible to dialogue with someone who operates from an ego that needs to present itself as a "know it all". I found it quite unproductive so I simply gave up and went elsewhere on the forum.
    Quote Posted by Hawkwind (here)

    ...you have come into a space that many people here consider one of the most valued places to meet and exchange information on the planet, called us all losers and fools, metaphorically spat in our faces and are basically telling all of us to repent from our false beliefs. In fact, given your view of the movement itself and its participants, itís difficult to imagine any other purpose for your joining us here other than to be as belligerent and disruptive as possible.
    Quote Posted by Andre (here)

    Perhaps it is appropriate to ask iamnone to leave this forum. Iamnone has clearly demonstrated through a series of extensive posts that his/her main aim is to denigrate and put down the truth movement, everthing in it and everyone who subscribes to it and this surely is contrary to the role of Project Avalon which has the aim of promoting the truth movement! By his/her own admission, he/she does not support Project Avalon or its aims and as such, I do not think his/her participation in this forum is justified.

    For the life of me, I do not understand why this person even bothers to post to a truth movement forum when their sole intention is to label everyone in it and beyond as idiots.

    Dear All,

    We're received a number of complaints about iamnoone, both publicly (above, extracts quoted only), and also privately. I have to say, it's a little unusual here for someone to generate such a strong (but also very clear and well-expressed) reaction.

    The moderators team were also alert to the ongoing dialog, and were watching with interest. We agree with the recent complaints, and so we're closing iamnoone's account.

    She has a lot to say, but as a self-described anarchist, a kind of pseudo-intellectual existentialist, and such a skeptic that she's unable to distinguish wheat from chaff in the alternative community (or identify any wheat at all!), she doesn't fit well into the Avalon membership. She may be intelligent and articulate, but she has nothing positive, encouraging, inspiring or helpful to offer here.

    We're not saying she's a bad person, because that's unlikely to be true. But we'd encourage her to do a lot more open-minded reading and research, setting aside her own firm belief structures.

    If she did that genuinely and with real intellectual rigor, she might surprise herself. Crass generalities are easy to make. Picking out the high-quality specifics and details, panning all the abundant gold from the river we swim in, is far harder work.

    There's much that any of us can be cynical about in the alternative community (and in world affairs!), but we have to be the change we want to see ó a hackneyed phrase sometimes, but it's true. We need to model the interactions, discussions, questions, respect, honesty, mutual support, good listening, and exchange of well-researched information that's valuable for not only our own growth, but also that of 10-15x as many guests and visitors who read the forum every day.


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    I was comparing her harsh criticism of the truth movement to her perceived dangers the truth movement poses to the public, and came to see a fundamental contradiction.
    Just because some of us have found alternative medicines work better than pharmaceutical drugs doesn't mean that we are putting lives at risk.
    The statistics show that hospitals and medicines are just as guilty.
    So while I'm not sure she is a deliberate shill the hostility she expressed at us "crazy" "lying" and "deceiving" idiots are at least signs that her basic identification is more with the darker side of society! one that is and has been fully established as rulers of the world since the dawn of man.
    So the accusation re liars does look more like a projection, and her statement about her superior understanding of chi is not quite convincing.
    She herself closed the door. Her arguments had nowhere else to take her. That's the nature of intolerant nihilism.

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    It's a difficult situation here. Alex Jones has done a lot to expose the NWO, Secret Societies, 9/11 etc. If he is a shill then why would he be exposing the workings of the Elite and their inner workings and agendas? He also pointed out the Jihadi John fake beheadings, the Sandy Hook hoax, the Virginia Journalist shooting hoax and various others.

    So the Alex Jones exposed subject is a shady one. Maybe he just makes mistakes. On another hand he does have a bad habit of supporting the Media Propaganda goal of promoting Islamophobia. Especially his partner in crime Paul Joseph Watson.

    I'm in 2 minds about Alex Jones. People say that the forum ATS is Cointelpro. That I believe! But AJ being a shill?

    Jury is still out on that one!

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    Alex Jones is just in it for the money. Playing on peoples fear and hope. There's a market for everything, even fear mongering.

    If you just watch him for entertainment, then that's a entirely different story. But to view him as a spreader of truth is a completely irrational perspective.

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    Quote Posted by Twisted Flames (here)
    @stevcolx


    Alex Jones is just in it for the money. Playing on peoples fear and hope. There's a market for everything, even fear mongering.

    If you just watch him for entertainment, then that's a entirely different story. But to view him as a spreader of truth is a completely irrational perspective.
    I can't stomach watching or listening to Alex Jones for obvious reasons. Some people might think his method of presentation is entertaining. I don't. However that doesn't make the info he spreads false, does it?

    So what exactly did you mean by that statement? "to view him as a spreader of truth is a completely irrational perspective"

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