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    When I saw the videos of the planes hitting the tower I couldn't believe it. How can an Aluminium Aircraft with a Plastic Nose disappear into a steel building.

    Obviously it can't. Well now I know for sure. There were no planes on 9/11. I had a suspicion that there were no planes. I just couldn't prove it.

    Then I watched 'September Clues' who very cleverly exposed the truth that there were no planes. And seeing it makes it's so obvious it defies belief how anyone could believe the Official Fairy Story. I posted it on my Facebook page and a fellow conspirator said he was going to unfriend me for trying to destroy the truth movement with silly theories.

    Hello? The whole story is a silly theory!!

    John Lear was correct!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gORu-68SHpE


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    Default Re: No Planes?

    There were definitely planes. I guess you can claim it was some hologram but there was definitely planes.

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    In the videos released by the Media there were planes but in reality no. You should watch that documentary I posted. It explains why!

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    There are countless of eye witnesses. There is a video from a street vendor. When the first plane hit, many thought it was just a accident by a private jet. There were planes. This video is bull****.

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    Hi Stevcolx,

    Yes it is hard to imagine at first that planes entered the buildings the way the footage showed us, but there's a good explanation after all.
    In the end it all comes down to speed and mass.

    If you take something of a certain mass and you throw it at something else, and you keep increasing the speed every time you do it, there will come a time that this object will pass through the still standing object.

    There's a sound physics formula to determine this which I can't find right now. (I will get back on this)

    Just think about how a steel plate can be cut by a water jet.
    It's the speed that makes it possible.



    This is a pingpong ball gun, shooting through tin cans:


    What you also have to take into account is that the planes did not actually cut through all the steel box columns, but mostly broke the bolts by which the box columns were connected to each other.
    You can see this by studying close up photo's of the impact zone(s).

    Further, some people claim that even the tips of the wings made a cut through entry into the building, which is a false observation.

    Here's a solid website which explains how planes flew into the buildings.

    https://kendoc911.wordpress.com/debu...-plane-theory/
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    Hi, I've spent far too much time of my life trying to understand what happened on 9/11, and I watched all this a long time ago, I must have watched the videos 1000's of times now. Once you've watched them in slow mo enough times you see it for what it is, and that is 100% fake, the planes just disapear. The mind job is so big that many so called 'truthers' just can't understand that they've been hoaxed.

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    Default Re: No Planes?

    So how did they get my eyes and the eyes of plenty of us on the street to see a plane hit the building?

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    I dunno, maybe you're just gullable, maybe you and others suffered from mass hallucination, power of suggestion, holograms, perhaps they put LSD in the water that morning? Who knows! After all David Copperfield made the staute of liberty disapear.

    The videos are the only proof that remains, and you can see they're fake all day long.

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    I read that site. I still agree with the September Clues video. No planes hit those towers. That would explain why there was questionable wreckage, no black boxes, impossible physics, impossible speeds and evidence other than videos that have many flaws in them. Now you could argue that there were many witnesses that said they saw the planes. But who were the witnesses? Actors? Remember the media faked the plane videos so it is obvious they used fake witnesses to back up their fake plane videos. Practically all the 9/11 witnesses were paid actors.

    And the photos and videos are conflicting. There shouldn't be any media conflicts. But there are, and especially so if you are going to do a load of fakery!



    Now this is strange!



    Can someone explain?

    And the obvious Nose in Nose out video. Obviously a Fake Plane!

    And this? A laughable fake!



    No planes hit the Towers. No plane hit the Pentagon and definitely no plain buried itself at Shanksville! Fake Wreckage, Fake Witnesses, Fake Videos, Fake Naudet Brothers evidence. There was a lot of fakery going on to convince the public that 9/11 was done by 19 Hijackers in Airplanes.






    It's all smoke and mirrors and lot's of Fakery!

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    Well, WTC was the first Steelbuilding ever to collapse because of a fire (supposedly).

    U heard about the plane B-25 hitting the Emire State in 1945 (mentioned in some Documentations).

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    They rebuilt the destroyed rooms afterwards. No big structural damage. As i remember it was quite full on fuel (i meight be wrong here).

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    That was real

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    Default Re: No Planes?

    Remember the Pentagon.good footage of the after effects just no plane wreckage.rolls Royce engines are made out of titanium none were ever recovered.Defiantly no plane there

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    I agree that there's a lot of smoke and mirror regarding 9/11 and it is a difficult puzzle to solve.

    In the end it all depends on what evidence and what claims you place more value.

    Most crimes that get solved, do so because the hard evidence that leads toward the answers and in the case of 9/11 and planes, there is a load of hard evidence that says that real planes were used.

    Why deny hard evidence in order to make a far fledged theory work?

    There were no impossible speeds and impossible physics at work with the planes.
    Just impossible maneuvers for an untrained pilot and even most trained pilots to have pulled it off.



    https://kendoc911.wordpress.com/debu...-of-aircrafts/

    Lots of plane parts have been found besides the engine and landing gear, even on top of WTC 5.

    The engine exit path from alleged flight 175 (WTC 2) into Murray street can even be deducted from different footage angles and pictures.


    WTC 2 had a distinct sway as a result of the impact.
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    Default Re: No Planes?

    Just to lighten you up:
    GNN 911 redux, its from 2002. But i still like it. It doesnt help the thread.


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    Oh , COME ON, children ! Don't you realise there was an atual ENGINE found, projected a long way by velocity ?
    Strange thing is, this ENGINe, happened to NOT be FROM the type alledged ! !

    I would've liked to have been there when the individual who organised putting the Engine there, said, it doesn't matter, what typ just get any old engine and do your job ... just make sure it IS an aircraft engine ! !, not some old Buick or Chevvy !

    But on a serious note,
    I'm sorry to see so many disinfo agents spending ther time on PA. 9/11 is thoroughly cut & dried, not only that, there's an abundence of "piss-taking " prior announcements, in the many different forms, from Simpsons, Mario Bros, to illuminati playing card games.....

    Some disinfo agents tried to discredit Dr Judy Woods, despite her magnificent work, saying no trace of Thermite found ! or her theory of " Hutchinsons research " is crazy,
    In short, Exotic weapons were certainly the cause of Dustification, and other elements were brought into use, such as Holographics, Pre-Demolition charges etc.etc...

    For what it is worth imho, this same Directed - Energy beam, is the tool being used to create , ( or propogate ) , Sink Holes, in many cases, after all TPTB have GPR so they can locate undergroung streams, culverts, upon which to create devastation... Not convinced ? the prime example, is that where a whole double line of cars fell into a linear culvert... There is absolutely NO reason for that total linear collapse, unless assisted by an Energy-Beam...

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    I'm afraid that the only 'engine' they found was not of the type used on those planes... FAR TOO SMALL.
    Here's a real expert (John Lear) talking about this sham of planes flying Through buildings... aluminum tin cans CANNOT go through hardened steel beams that are over 2ft wide of 3/4" thick (or more!) material.


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    Default Re: No Planes?

    The Engine that was found on Murray strt. was only the chore part of the engine and therefore not too small.

    There are to this day many questions as to the plane it could have belonged to. Probably not flight 175, which was also noted by mister Lear.

    The engine that was found on Murray strt is certainly not one of those that are displayed in the 9/11 museum.


    This is the engine on Murray strt.


    For those who can look on facebook:Here's a pretty good analyses of how this engine exploded out of the corner section of the south tower and landed on Murray street:
    https://www.facebook.com/joshua.froz...c_location=ufi

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    @Kindred : Yeah right, here is a video of a testcrash of an airplane against two wooden telegraph poles. At 6 minutes in the Video you see that the WOODEN Telegraph Pole just cuts the wing of !!!! I know that this airplane is quite slow in comparison to a flighing one, but it gives you a feel for the fragility of an airplane.


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    UZN,

    Please note that at 6:50 min into the youtube, the commentator says: "The basic wing structure remains intact."

    The inner telephone pole cuts a deep wedge into the facade of the wing, but this is just the aluminum cladding. Not part of the basic wing structure.
    Remember that a wing of a Boeing 737 ( or any similar plane) has to be able to carry a full size engine in the middle of it's wing.
    This is not paper mache.

    The wing would have taken down many wooden telephone poles.

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    A hollow aluminum tin can would have to be moving a hell of a lot faster than an airplane in order to go through steel like butter. Go drop a watermelon off a 100 foot bridge and watch it explode when it hits the WATER as if that water was concrete.
    Almost all the media eyewitnesses were employees of the media companies.
    The maneuvers the so-called planes made before hitting the towers were impossible for who they said did the flying. If anything actually hit the towers it was probably a missile, many of which are large and look kinda like a plane, especially if you only catch a glance.
    All planes supposedly used in the attacks were found to be still in existence and flying after 9/11.
    Actual plane crashes leave parts of planes everywhere, not a scrap here and a scrap there. And those engines?! My grandfather designed aircraft engines for GE all his life. Massive titanium and steel and there would be no chance you wouldn't find them ALL. Fire doesn't melt airplane engines, just like it doesn't melt steel buildings.
    Yeah, John Lear.
    We KNOW every single part of the 9/11 story is a ridiculous lie. Why cling to any part of it?

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    Quote Posted by mpennery (here)
    Why cling to any part of it?
    Because the lie about 9/11 has to be exposed, otherwise we will keep to be f8cked.

    Many many people of high education and expertise, together with a group of tireless volunteers have been working for years to build a case in order to expose the truth. Some of whom lost their jobs as professor, or architect in their effort to come forward with their findings.
    Using real science and hard evidence as their tools.

    "Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth" have come a long way.

    Here is a new project from engineer Jonathan Cole in which he demonstrates by experiment that the downward motion by the wtc towers can only be reproduced by an "out and down" sequence (explosions).
    Hopefully, one day it is efforts like these that will help to break open the covered up case of 9/11

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